I liked it. Its what I am used to Town!yzb, though to be fair I don't have experience with your Scum game.
I think at the very least some of what you are arguing is NAI for FB. How much is that I am not sure.
Your point 2 of the summary posts where you gave 2 points I think is NAI.
I think driving a lynch like that at EOD is pretty NAI. We needed a lynch, FB gave one to us. It didn't win us the game, but it did give us a chance.
But I do get why you think he could be Scum because of it... driving a lynch that landed on Town can be interpreted as Scum shinannies, but I think Town can do it just as well.
That level of passion over lynching someone you don't even think will flip scum is not justified. He never even said anything like "we should lynch. Some lynch is better than no lynch". Your interpretation is completely detached from the text, as they say in english literature courses :3.
Holy crap there's only an hour and a half until EOD. o.o
Mesk would probably be happy to lynch FB too, which means you'd only need to find one other person. Hopefully Cass may be around to hammer.
Be weary of SB - he's the likely cultist pick if FB is CL.
The above post looks like a scumbrag, plus SB stalking off even tho I challenged him about the Gyr lynch and just posted that massive ass FB wallpost is suspicious AF.
I think I'm gonna go to bed. If I get to bed now I can still get 6 hours of sleep in. If I pulled an all nighter I might concern relatives about my mental well-being.
Cya!
I could vote Gyr, but I don't think they are Scum. We need a lynch and its LyLo tomorrow!
IDK. I think you are Town. I am kinda undecided on FB. So, yeah, I think he is a better option than you because I am null reading him and I am Town reading you.
Remember what I said last game about you really only Scum hunting when you are Town? This post is a great example of that.
reading up. give me 10-15 mins
is it bad that apoun reread that i only gain scum reads instead of gaining town reads?
i want @Cass or stelathbomber to come in here.
i really wish sw was here though at least then i would have conficence in reading things right and not be parnaoid
Here for a bit
to Gyr Iso in Death Note
And to ISO here
AFAICT there' are direct differences between tone and level of active scum hunting.
Spoiler : Comparison :
TLDR
The differences I see is that in the last game (as Town??) Gyr had more focus on looking for scum than, gave stronger reasons for Town reads, offered up wider range of thought processes/reasons for reads.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong or they have a different take
@Gyrlander
What makes you say your play has been more towny this game?
I don't have problem with you 'defending yourself, or casting votes'.
I do have problems with the facts that:
- you've given EZTOWN reads - for use of gifs and a TR on you;
- you haven't given reasons for your votes other than the one on yzb which was initially OMGUS - though I did like the reasoning of the afterthought, the fact it was an afterthought makes it more null for me;
- you haven't pushed at players until Mesk - and that seems like an afterthought.
- you moved from voting Yzb who had no other votes to JOINING him as 3rd on the Mesk train, with no elaboration or pushing of Mesk as scum before this.
- you miss EoD and lord the 'I knew SP was Town' on return but
- Don't elaborate on your thoughts wrt the whole player base
And then, in comparison with the other game, when you've been Town you
- Focus more on scum reads/giving reasons why scum - and on more players
- Give solid reasons for Town reads / not willing to lynch players
- List full reads
So I have a problem with the differences
Can you:
Elaborate on why Mesk is your no. 1 lynch and answer earlier question on why you shifted to her from YZB?
Give a reads list so we know where your head is at; and
link me to another scum game pls?
Have skimmed but probably don't have time to quote and reply to everything.
Off the top of my head.
@Stealthbomber16 can you explain your progression on Ika?/Mesk
How is Ika's CAPS OUTBURST enough to overrule the concern you had about his reads list and put him as top Town?
Why did you encourage Mesk to reconsider/don't you think Firebringer is a good lynch today? AFAICT the reason you've given is 'tone' ?
But you also contradicted, saying that one post you really didn't like felt natural?
Unless I've missed it you haven't answered the questions I had about that earlier?
I'm mobile ATM (sw is alseep and I can move without waking her)
But when I look at yzb 623(?) post it looks like he scum slipped by thinking if fire flips cult leader that we then need to hunt cultist.
Also quick seems way to confident in that lull is tommorw cus case still has not answered the question (nor yzb or did he I don't recall) and I know I have not answered it cus there is a potential way it could not happen
Can't move*
Hate mobile corrections
Have read your wallpost.
Don't disagree that there's potential for FB to be CL.
Have some issues with the aggressive ALL CAPS CONSIDER NOONE ELSE push ending in a mislynch.
Find your take on it a little pot calling the kettle black though.
Was FB in enough danger that it was a move for self pres? If so scum equity increases imo, but that's from a push lynch for self-pres perspective, I don't see what you're getting at about a trigger from past losses?
You mention there not being another viable lynch, and reading back I probably agree, so why would ScumFB have been panicking? and where would TownFB have gone?
Not discounting the meta you've imparted suggesting he's bold enough to make the move as scum, but considering it could also be fearmongering if you yourself are scum.
WRT
1) Mesk read looks informed
Informed which way???????? And how do you know???
IIRC your wall post said the problem you had was contradiction with FB calling Mesk Town for lazy and then voting her D2 for the same thing. Don't have a problem with that being problematic, but it doesn't equal informed.
Switched to Ika suggests he's pushing the strategy of hunting for converts, which is more easily manipulated because it hinges on 'possibility' rather than analysis of actual thread events.
TLDR Anyone have a problem with FB / Gyr lynches as lead trains for today?
I have both CL and conversion-possibility tinfoil on yzb but think he's probably a VERY obvious ?and therefore discardable choice? for convert, and am not confident that my tinfoil overrules his Town appearance D1 enough for him to actually be CL.
Want to see answers to the Mesk read being 'informed'
Is that a thing?
That this is FB's last post is somewhat sus.
Where's the TL push from yesterday, if Town?
In combination with earlier criticisms of EZTownReads and the ????PR Claim
@Firebringer - have you explained why that was ever going to be beneficial to Town from your perspective?
I'm ok with FB being the lynch today if nothing changes.
So yeah.
Pretty much still happiest with Mesk/FB/Gyr.
Go Go Go with any other theories/gut reads Town peeps!
I gotta drive and have appointment an hour before Deadline. I should be able to follow on mobile after drive (2hrs) and be here half hourish before EoD.
GLGLGL!
Wait.
IS the wincon just to see the CL dead?
Or CL and Cultists aren't considered the same team/don't win together?
Making CL 3P?
And Cultists Scum?
Is this something we can ask the mod ITT? / get confirmation on? @MattZed ?
Someone put in a giant face palm here for me
Holy heebie jeebies, DADV and potential pushing easy mislynches Batman.
Complete YOLO here and darnit I'm supposed to be driving but
IF the two non Town factions are separate, inB4 it's
-vote Stealthbomer16and Quick
Secondary YOLO Stealth /Yzb (assuming I'm reading correctly that Yzb is nullish/Town with caveat reading Stealth right now
Long game theory goes CL would need to distance from their cultists and cultists need to keep their CL alive.
Hence Stealth scum reading Quick but voting Gyr
And Quick null on Stealth but voting FB
OR it could still be as simple as Gyr/Mesk/FB
But YOLO is more fun
@Gyrlander , @Firebringer if you are Town your job here is to hunt scum and not just lie down and accept a mislynch.
If you're Scum continue lying down.
Someone tell me if accepting a lynch is something either FB or Gyr do more as scum than Town.
Confirmation from anyone that I'm understanding setup correctly would be nice.
*Giant Facepalm*
FB is known for forfeiting games as Scum.
Why is Ika Town?
I support this post, with the exception that I can't clear Gyr.
Could maybe go Ika over Stealth, but why would CL draw push you over easier lynches like Gyr/Mesk/FB ?
FB is a conundrum.
Who's your pick from Stealth/Ika/FB?
Yo, present. Not much time to quote posts, sorry.
Cass, you seem to be misunderstanding the FB case. I'm saying his reaction at the EOD1 was an emotional reaction to getting scumread on day 1 after all the past problems. It has nothing to do with self pres.
The whole bottom third of the wallpost was explaining the inconsistencies in a town!perspective of his mesk read and the scum!perspective of a mesk read. Your question is like reading the conclusion to an essay and asking "wait, where's the reasoning again?"
And yes, you do seem tired as fuck :P
I posted that thing about SB in case he got in here and started hardpushing a train off FB.
Furthermore, Gyr is a heavily inconsistent player when it comes to motivation. Taking his most contribution-heavy towngame and comparing it to the mean towngame (this one) is obviously going to give you something off-looking.
There's only 15 mins left btw.
Who's your pick from Stealth/Ika/FB?
Why not the other two?
And if you're going to push FB I repeat my concern/town possibilities:
Lynching SP wasn't (?) self pres, lynch would've gone to anyone with the most votes, and unless I'm wrong that wasn't FB at the time?
You say SP was a valid lynch
I think it's less likely CL sticks their neck out to hammer home a mislynch D1.
Does FB lie down as Town?