S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

[Mesk514]

Pls go re-read mesks posts, there is little to no content in them. She might as well just be posting song lyrics at this stage, would probably be more beneficial.

I think posting fans would be more beneficial

[yzb25]

Let's lynch Cryptonic

Reason 1 - inflating posts to look more substantial / towny

I'm not going to tunnel. I don't know how I gave that implication, when the post is a drawn-out way of saying "I'm going to go easy on you for a while".

I can't just pretend I don't scumread him, but I've made my case now, so until someone brings something fresh to the table, there's no point dragging things out.

And you're right, I'm sorry; I misread the post about tunneling. I thought it said you ARE going to tunnel him this game. My apologies lol. I wasn't asking if you not to scum read him. I prefer that you do scum read him, specifically because I am not scum reading him. This allows for more thorough reads from multiple players after the d1 flip, to see associations, ect.

Launching into an explanation about how town debating is good is completely unnecessary here. It's purely to wave his hands around and say "look at all this towny strategy I have lahlahlahlahlah!". A town shouldn't feel the need to add this rambly crap in an already-dense-wallpost-argument. A town would just write:

"Oh I misunderstood that post. Sorry, I wasn't telling you to suppress your scumread on Gyrlander."

Look at this post too:

I think it's an amateur way to distance oneself from the Mafia. Most people think before they speak in Mafia, so it is funny to see someone post something with possible underlying meaning so early into the game. Reminds me of something that Mafia would do in the Sc2 Mod to try to hide.
However, the fact that the game is nightless changes my opinion. If he was aware enough about this game state to trying to use some WIFOM on d1 to hide as Mafia, then you would think he would be aware enough regarding not having a NK. That fact cancels out the logic you are using. I also don't see how it's an "alibi" for him to say he forgot there was no nightkill, maybe i'm just nitpicking semantics here, though.

wtf? Why is he rambling about the mod, and how people think before they posts? That's so unnecessary. So is him correcting my word misuse, then admitting correcting my word misuse is pointless.

This is the actual part of the post that responds to my point. How the fuck did he turn 1 line into 5?!

Crux of my point:

Crypt puts a lot of thought into his posts - that's obvious. However, he's putting the wrong kind of thought into each post. Towns read over their posts over and over to try and make them clearer / shorter, yet Crypt designs his post to seem wordier and more substantial than they actually are.

Reason 2 - Doesn't seem to be genuinely trying to read Gyr, like he doesn't need to.

Cryptonic establishes he has been unable to form a read on Gyrlander, due to his skint ass posts:

I don't think much of Gyrlander's posts. He is lacking any actual substance, which I don't find different from other times I've seen him play.

So, Crypt, if he's town, is looking to try to figure out Gyrlander, right? Nope:

I'm not going to give much substance when most of these 3 pages are fluff and all the time I have been online was on mobile. However, I'll stop giving excuses as It is getting a bit boring and will try yo explain yzb everything and if he still doesnt believe me, I won't café.

That's alright man. You don't need to really defend yourself on day 1, nor do you need to contribute a shit load. Basically all we need is for people to hang around and chat/joke around. We can get plenty of reads off that for day 1.

Gyr is a rehabilitated man, and no longer the toxic inactive we used to know. However, encouraging an ex-lurker to sit back and take it easy is the equivalent of dangling a bag of heroin in the face of a drug addict - Why the fuck would Crypt make this post if he's already struggling to sort Gyr out?

Even if Crypt disagrees with my scumread on Gyr, he should say some shit like "yo yzb is a dumbass but you need to post thoughts so I can figure you the fuck out. This setup has no TPRs so we have to build reads on everyone.

Also the bumlicking by Crypt in this post is on another level - it looks like he's playing the good guy. Who knows tho... maybe he genuinely thought "Poor Gyr - he's being pressured to respond to his critics. How unfair."

(FOR CONTEXT - GYR HAD NOT POSTED HIS READWALL YET, AND HAD ALREADY IMPLIED HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T POST READS UNTIL HE'D INTERACTED WITH EACH PLAYER)

Crux of my point: Crypt should be very familiar with how unreadable inactive slots fuck over the town in nearly every game, but he expressed no alarm over Gyr. It looks like he's being nice to him to play the good guy, who looks out for the little ones.

Aside:

I concur that scumreading Crypt for "underperforming" is shitty reasoning. Sj's case is also crap. Please do not associate me with those scrublords.

Anyway, I would greatly prefer a Crypt lynch to an infoless inactive lynch, or a lynch on one of my townreads (Whad and Ice).

-vote Cryptonic

[yzb25]

Let's lynch Cryptonic

Reason 1 - inflating posts to look more substantial / towny

I'm not going to tunnel. I don't know how I gave that implication, when the post is a drawn-out way of saying "I'm going to go easy on you for a while".

I can't just pretend I don't scumread him, but I've made my case now, so until someone brings something fresh to the table, there's no point dragging things out.

And you're right, I'm sorry; I misread the post about tunneling. I thought it said you ARE going to tunnel him this game. My apologies lol. I wasn't asking if you not to scum read him. I prefer that you do scum read him, specifically because I am not scum reading him. This allows for more thorough reads from multiple players after the d1 flip, to see associations, ect.

Launching into an explanation about how town debating is good is completely unnecessary here. It's purely to wave his hands around and say "look at all this towny strategy I have lahlahlahlahlah!". A town shouldn't feel the need to add this rambly crap in an already-dense-wallpost-argument. A town would just write:

"Oh I misunderstood that post. Sorry, I wasn't telling you to suppress your scumread on Gyrlander."

Look at this post too:

I think it's an amateur way to distance oneself from the Mafia. Most people think before they speak in Mafia, so it is funny to see someone post something with possible underlying meaning so early into the game. Reminds me of something that Mafia would do in the Sc2 Mod to try to hide.
However, the fact that the game is nightless changes my opinion. If he was aware enough about this game state to trying to use some WIFOM on d1 to hide as Mafia, then you would think he would be aware enough regarding not having a NK. That fact cancels out the logic you are using. I also don't see how it's an "alibi" for him to say he forgot there was no nightkill, maybe i'm just nitpicking semantics here, though.

wtf? Why is he rambling about the mod, and how people think before they posts? That's so unnecessary. So is him correcting my word misuse, then admitting correcting my word misuse is pointless.

This is the actual part of the post that responds to my point. How the fuck did he turn 1 line into 5?!

Crux of my point:

Crypt puts a lot of thought into his posts - that's obvious. However, he's putting the wrong kind of thought into each post. Towns read over their posts over and over to try and make them clearer / shorter, yet Crypt designs his post to seem wordier and more substantial than they actually are.

Reason 2 - Doesn't seem to be genuinely trying to read Gyr, like he doesn't need to.

Cryptonic establishes he has been unable to form a read on Gyrlander, due to his skint ass posts:

I don't think much of Gyrlander's posts. He is lacking any actual substance, which I don't find different from other times I've seen him play.

So, Crypt, if he's town, is looking to try to figure out Gyrlander, right? Nope:

I'm not going to give much substance when most of these 3 pages are fluff and all the time I have been online was on mobile. However, I'll stop giving excuses as It is getting a bit boring and will try yo explain yzb everything and if he still doesnt believe me, I won't café.

That's alright man. You don't need to really defend yourself on day 1, nor do you need to contribute a shit load. Basically all we need is for people to hang around and chat/joke around. We can get plenty of reads off that for day 1.

Gyr is a rehabilitated man, and no longer the toxic inactive we used to know. However, encouraging an ex-lurker to sit back and take it easy is the equivalent of dangling a bag of heroin in the face of a drug addict - Why the fuck would Crypt make this post if he's already struggling to sort Gyr out?

Even if Crypt disagrees with my scumread on Gyr, he should say some shit like "yo yzb is a dumbass but you need to post thoughts so I can figure you the fuck out. This setup has no TPRs so we have to build reads on everyone.

Also the bumlicking by Crypt in this post is on another level - it looks like he's playing the good guy. Who knows tho... maybe he genuinely thought "Poor Gyr - he's being pressured to respond to his critics. How unfair."

(FOR CONTEXT - GYR HAD NOT POSTED HIS READWALL YET, AND HAD ALREADY IMPLIED HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T POST READS UNTIL HE'D INTERACTED WITH EACH PLAYER)

Crux of my point: Crypt should be very familiar with how unreadable inactive slots fuck over the town in nearly every game, but he expressed no alarm over Gyr. It looks like he's being nice to him to play the good guy, who looks out for the little ones.

Aside:

I concur that scumreading Crypt for "underperforming" is shitty reasoning. Sj's case is also crap. Please do not associate me with those scrublords.

Anyway, I would greatly prefer a Crypt lynch to an infoless inactive lynch, or a lynch on one of my townreads (Whad and Ice).

-vote Cryptonic

[yzb25]

lol double post. Sorry :3

[Cryptonic]

ur really bad @ this game

but, at least lynching me is a good choice. In a nightless setup, i'll always be suspect, so go nuts.

Just follow my lead for the rest of the game, because you obviously should not be Town leader. Half the things you are questioning are basic things, or have a logical reasoning as to why I am saying them.

[Cryptonic]

You're lynching me for suggesting to lynch SJ, who has interactions with several players this game. You blind bro

[Cryptonic]

I'm sorry, can you explain how Whad's reasoning is sincere? lol
Please go back and look at the reads, which is all based on Meta and contains no logic. They also support my train and base it on that they agree with SJ thinking my copy/pasta is scummy because "too much info for d1".

So, I would like to see your explanation on how Whad's reasoning is sincere.

@yzb25 respond to this post, too.
I think Town deserves to see your Whad-Town read lol

[yzb25]

Crypt is my strongest scumread. I also don't like Titus though, so if Iced's ISO turns out to be a better case than Crypt's train then I'm happy to compromise.

However, I have a test tomorrow and I gotta rush to bed. Sorry, but I'll try to rush home early tomorrow and be around for the last 4/5 hours of LYLO. See you then.

ur really bad @ this game

Oh my, you have no idea, chum =3.

[Orpz]

Pls go re-read mesks posts, there is little to no content in them. She might as well just be posting song lyrics at this stage, would probably be more beneficial.

Her choice to shitpost is still a choice, and choices have motive to them that you can analyze to get a feel for their alignment. Mesk is more helpful than a handful of players right now.

[yzb25]

@yzb25 respond to this post, too.
I think Town deserves to see your Whad-Town read lol

I'm sorry man, I'll give you your responses tomorrow. Something died inside of me when I saw that last wallpost you made :P

[Cryptonic]

Oh my, you have no idea, chum =3.

Hahaha nono I have a pretty good idea.
You don't read, and when you do you don't understand what people are saying. You are overly paranoid and putting things together that don't need to be put together. You also favor complex situations over the simple solution (which you declare is simpler).

I understand me being a policy lynch d1 in a nightless game, but your reasoning to my lynch are pretty sub-par.
After my flip, I recommend following someone else instead of trying to lead yourself. Not trying to be offensive, it's just really frustrating being put on the defensive by someone who doesn't really acknowledge anything you say.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Her choice to shitpost is still a choice, and choices have motive to them that you can analyze to get a feel for their alignment. Mesk is more helpful than a handful of players right now.

Her choice to shitpost after-the-fact of claiming she would be posting seriously is about all that is indicative of her alignment rn.
Best case scenario, we lynch her, she flips scum - we go into d2 with almost no new information and we're back where we started.
Worst case, we lynch her, she flips town - we go into d2 with almost no new information and we're back where we started.

Im not a fan of mesk what so ever right now, but I dont think shes the appropriate lynch candidate for today.

[Orpz]

-vote Whad

I cannot get over how lazy the reads he posted last night were.

Those who think Crypt is more scummy than Whad need to explain to me why they think Whad is an inferior lynch choice. Yzb post is pretty good though. At this point, my hesitation on joining the Crypt hype train is because of how awful the justification from SJ and Whad was.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Hahaha nono I have a pretty good idea.
You don't read, and when you do you don't understand what people are saying. You are overly paranoid and putting things together that don't need to be put together. You also favor complex situations over the simple solution (which you declare is simpler).

I understand me being a policy lynch d1 in a nightless game, but your reasoning to my lynch are pretty sub-par.
After my flip, I recommend following someone else instead of trying to lead yourself. Not trying to be offensive, it's just really frustrating being put on the defensive by someone who doesn't really acknowledge anything you say.

YZB is gone for at least the next 18hrs, so you no longer need to be 'frustrated' and 'defensive', please use this time to analyse more players. You currently suspect Whad, YZB, Mesk and SJ of being non-town, correct? Could you please provide thoughts on myself, Titus, and Orpz, as well as revisiting the points made by YZB regarding your stance on Gyrlander?

[Iced_Monopoly]

@Unknown1234 Is there a replacement coming for MZ, or should we just hope that he will one day return?

I dont want to have an entire day spent with an inactive slot

[Titus]

Hey, I'm going to catch up now. Sorry, probably should have asked for a delay but Sunday I had some urgent things to attend to.

Has Mesk given "serious" reads yet?

[Cryptonic]

YZB is gone for at least the next 18hrs, so you no longer need to be 'frustrated' and 'defensive', please use this time to analyse more players. You currently suspect Whad, YZB, Mesk and SJ of being non-town, correct? Could you please provide thoughts on myself, Titus, and Orpz, as well as revisiting the points made by YZB regarding your stance on Gyrlander?

No, I see Whad as non-Town, SJ as scum lean, Mesk as no-read, and yzb as Town.

I feel that you are putting in a decent effort for a pro-Town stance, and I would be against your lynch for d1. The defense of Mesk that early into day 1 is suspect, but it could also just be meta. I don't see a world where both you and Whad as scum, and I do feel that Whad is much more scum-leaning than you are.

Orpz is pretty null at this point, but I do feel that his posts have some Town intention. However, they also seem appealing to the mob, in a way. He is pointing out the weak logic of Whad, which people (like yzb) seem to agree with but Orpz is one of the few actually pushing back on it. Orpz also jumped on the Mesk train right away, which is another reason why my Mesk vote stays. A Mesk flip removes a null read for me, while showing an interaction of Mesk-Whad, Mesk-Iced, Mesk-Titus, Mesk-Orpz, and Mesk-Crypt. Which is think offers the most information for the day out of all the lynch choices.

Titus is a fairly scummy slot, but I have not seen any interactions with other players from here that would be useful after a d1 flip, and she is lending me her vote (whether it's a joke vote or not at this point, doesn't matter). I feel like this helps me more than anything, and also allows for the Mesk-Titus read to be given, so I don't think Titus should be the d1 lynch either.


I have given several post reads in regards to Gyrlander, as well.

[Titus]

Titus (1 [L-5]):
Iced_Monopoly
Cryptonic (3 [L-3]):
yzb25, SuperJack, Whad
Mesk514 (2 [L-4]):
Titus, Cryptonic
Whad (1 [L-5]):
Orpz

[Titus]

@Mesk514 Even if you genuinely wish to martyr yourself, how can you expect people to actually follow you upon your death with that skint-ass reasoning? Unless you're a really influential player, you're unlikely to have your reads sheeped after death.

I like this.

[Whad]

At this point, im scum reading almost everyone in the game.

The only people im Town reading are YZB, for having very similar thought processes to my own, and Crypt, for being reasonably close to my thoughts, and for being targeted for absurd reasoning.

Whad has been responding reasonably well to my posts against him, although his recent reads list attracted a reasonable amount of criticism from player I T read. Willing to lump him in the null basket as of now.

MZ doesnt even exist.

Mesk, Gyr, Orpz, and SJ are all shitposting or just avoiding contributing at all, and are coming across as pretty scummy. Orpz and SJ I expect more from than the other two, which is more troubling than anything that theyre not contributing meaningfully.

Titus is my biggest scum read (see my ISO), so im moving my vote here.

-vote Titus

Liking Iced more for his recent posts. Still fency about Cryptonic, but I'm willing to switch to Titus since apparently Iced sees something in him that he can flag as towny.

-vote Titus

I want to expand that my vote on Cryptonic earlier was primarily to help get him talking (which has accomplished that point) since there was some kerfluffle about it. Totally happy to apply this strategy to another underperformer.

[Cryptonic]

Liking Iced more for his recent posts. Still fency about Cryptonic, but I'm willing to switch to Titus since apparently Iced sees something in him that he can flag as towny.

-vote Titus

I want to expand that my vote on Cryptonic earlier was primarily to help get him talking (which has accomplished that point) since there was some kerfluffle about it. Totally happy to apply this strategy to another underperformer.

Please explain how you agreed with SuperJack's reasoning.

[Titus]

3 mislynches yes, but given the nature of D1, its statistically more likely to be a mislynch anyways. Why not atleast utilise this opportunity to get the most information from a player for D2 onwards? Do you disagree with my strategy, or the fact that youre the centerpiece in it?

If its the strategy, how would you approach the D1 lynch given youre so worried about the number of mislynches we have?

Information lynches are bad. If you do a policy lynch, you remove people who stop town from functioning. The press back or lack thereof on anti-town slots is all the information you need.

[Whad]

Oooo wow, such contribution!

You spent 50% of your posts doing nothing but shitposting. The posts that arent shitposting are nothing but fencesitting "OOOO I REALLY WANNA VOTE YOU BUT I DONT", or theyre just spent defending yourself. defending yourself from the god damn start post you made, not even anything recent. Where the fuck is the scum hunting, or actively trying to read players outside of the group that are approaching you or reading you. stop being so damn reactive and start contributing on your own terms;

Mad rageface Iced seems like town iced to me.

[Titus]

If anything, mesks comments seemed like a joke, as did the votes made by others.

Im not particularly alarmed by the Orpz vote, although his absense afterwards is something to look at.
If anything from that wagon, titus is the one to look at. Didnt even offer a reason to join, nor was she mentioned by mesk (the others at least were)

Pushing for information lynches while simulataneously denying information?

I'm not a jokester, and everyone here knows that. So why are you trying to pass off something that isn't true? I'm going to note if anyone calls you out on this.

[Titus]

No vendetta, Honestly dont recall the previous 'beef'. You acknowledge yourself as low hanging fruit though, interesting.

I agree that wiping out the better 'hard' to read players makes sense, as it allows weaker players to be easily exposed later, but then that also leaves weaker players to have to control the game, which could be worse than trying to decipher harder to read players. Also hard to read players may have less interactions with other players, so its more difficult to determine a team composition.

Garbage post where Iced doesn't take a stand. I'll expect this guy's vote on a slot that won't piss anyone off.

[Titus]

I think that it's too early to tell what Iced's intentions are, but I'll wait to see how he responds to my response to his post.

I like this. Let's see if you actually follow up Whad.

[Gyrlander]

@Gyrlander I apologise for my previous outburst, im just dissapointed in the state of the game at the moment.

Im not going to ask you to reply to something specific like everyone else is. I want you to come up with something independent and original. Focus on any person, or any interaction between two people that hasnt already been covered by someone else. Report on it, give us your interpretation, your reads on the player(s), whatever the fuck you like. Prove that youre not just a reactive lurker, do something proactive.

Don't worry, It's Okey. My lack of initiative is something that I have in all games so it's hard to fix. I'll try to do something whenever I can.

[Titus]

Hi Mesk



No, not BECAUSE they pressure voted her too quickly. Although Orpz leaving after joining a train seems a bit suspect.



I don't think that tunneling to a lynch gives the most information D1. I think that (especially in a nightless game), putting up a bunch of trains and seeing interactions and who is willing to hop on what trains and not on others gives us the most information. In fact, I think that having multiple players get up to L-1 on D1 but were let live in favor of a different D1 lynch gives us the most information moving forward.

Great theory. It's still theory crafting but the closest to accurate. That's why I randomly grab vote counts. It's to determine relationships, particularly in a setup such as white flag. Still, this doesn't seem to be a conclusion as to Iced's alignment.

[Titus]

Thanks.
What kind of tell is an un-consigning? Town or scumtell?

Given that Iced has claimed NOT to have beef with me, I'd say it's not an un-consigning view... Which then makes me feel worse about his posts. I initially read the options as town with beef or opportunistic scum. And if Iced claims not to be town with beef, then I'm forced to put more weight on the opportunistic scum lean.

-vote Iced_Monopoly

That moment when you realize you've been rereading the game after you made posts...

[Titus]

You should know me by now Titus, I don't have anything serious to day til half way through day 1.

By now, it should be halfway through D1. I expect your serious reads now.

[Titus]

Here are my thoughts before retiring for the evening.

Town
Mesk514 - current play is in line with town meta. Will be watching to see if activity drops off. Also, since I believe this slot is town we could really use the help with analyzing and pushing other players.
yzb25 - I like this slot's analysis of Mesk, and questioning a variety of players. I think this slot may not have played enough games with Mesk to realize that while her behavior is anti-town, it's not scum.
Superjack - Like the soft probes at players. Less sure about this one than mesk or yzb.

Not enough info:
Iced_Monopoly - I think this slot is pretty scummy because of the whole "focus on weak players while giving hard to read players a free pass" thing, but I have scumread this slot when we are mutually town before.
Gyrlander - the "If I was mafia I would kill yzb at night" thing is a little awkward, but I'm ever so slightly townleaning on it
Orpz - slight scumlean for acknowledging that town should be active/not troll yet doesn't really boost up in activity level.
Mattzed - hasn't posted

Scum:
Titus - way underperforming here.
Cryptonic - also way under performing

-vote Cryptonic

I feel pretty good about this vote since it will hopefully produce more content from a slot that I feel is not being productive and underperforming. Also, not a player in my town pile.

I don't recall us playing together, but it's nice you have such a flattering view of my game. What game did we play? The Anon one?

[Titus]

How in the world do you Town read Superjack and simultaneously Not Enough Info Iced_Monopoly? Iced has the second most posts here, and if someone who posted that much can't give you a lean, then you have a scum lean on them.

Also your scum reads on Titus and Cryptonic are lazy and based off of meta. I don't necessarily disagree tho

Post volume doesn't equal information Orpz. You oughta know that. A player can in one post say what another needs in five. Iced Monolopy (disclaimer to this point) has been mostly focused on theory spamming than sorting who is aligned with whom. *squinty eye* That stuff is hard to read.

[Gyrlander]

-vote Whad

From all players, I'm clearing Mesk, Iced, Yzb and me as town. This leaves Cryptonic, Orpz, MZ, Whad, Titus and SuperJack.

SJ is playing like a dummy, but he always is. Crypt seems reasonably towny. Orpz is being like big fat tiger that lies down and throws random sounds. Titus... is there.

Currently, the person I feel most comfortable voting is Whad. Something about him bugged about me from the beggining but I decided to ignore and think that I was just being paranoid. However, now that Iced seems to be town reading him Whad has relaxed. Also, voting people to contribute when they're already talking isn't quite efficient. I can correlate.

[Titus]

@Cryptonic I'm curious what you think about Gyr's posts at the start.

Spoiler : Posts in question :

At first, he said the contradiction regarding nightkills was an attempt to softclaim town. However, he then changed his alibi to simply "I forgot the setup was nightless". Even though:

1) The setup is called nightless.

2) He has clearly read the setup, because he's familiar with the lore:



- if he remembers the setup's lore, it makes it EXTREMELY unlikely he'd forget the setup's most important feature - that there's no nightkills.

Orpz read this as Gyrlander trying too hard to look town, by feigning being unaware of the scum mechanics:



What do you think of Gyr's "If I was mafia, you would die tonight", in light of the above context?

What do you think of Orpz voting Gyr because of it?

What do you think of Gyr's posts since then, if you have any recollection of them?

This is town. I'll fight you if you say otherwise.

[Gyrlander]

This is town. I'll fight you if you say otherwise.

Considering yzb is one of the most town-read here, you should focus on others.

[Whad]

You're lynching me for suggesting to lynch SJ, who has interactions with several players this game. You blind bro

@yzb25 respond to this post, too.
I think Town deserves to see your Whad-Town read lol

I like that Crypt is approaching the game from a different angle than most people and is trying to put attention on people like SJ and Whad. While I know there's not any SJ/Whad connection since I'm not scum I can see how it's reasonable that one might think that.

[Titus]

Furthermore, if you read Unknown's opening post, you'd know there are 10 players and 3 of them are maf. If there was a nightkill, the game would enter LYLO after one mislynch. Town would have to get like 3/4 lynches right to win.

It is so fucking implausible you didn't know this setup was nightless that if we entertain the possibility you didn't we're basically willing to accept any dogshit you feed us.

I am not caught up, but is there any reason yb does not appear to be voting this?

[Gyrlander]

I also don't like the fact that Mesk isn't voting anyone while when she's town she often starts to random vote like shit.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Pushing for information lynches while simulataneously denying information?

I'm not a jokester, and everyone here knows that. So why are you trying to pass off something that isn't true? I'm going to note if anyone calls you out on this.

I'll heal you with my masonry love. It's ok.
*crosses fingers*

Wrong role. I'm a mason, not an escort.

-vote MattZed

My vodka's getting warm.

She takes a vodka drink
She takes a vodka drink

She gets knocked down
She gets up again

Oh yeah I ain't never staying down

When youre not a jokester, but you post jokes

[Titus]

I find it interesting that Whad's only read on me is "underperforming", but that was somehow enough for her to place a vote on me. Literally has stated nothing game related that should lead her vote to be on me, yet it is there. Seems like it was just an attempt to join a larger train. It's ironic because I have been more productive and contributed more than Whad, yet you don't see Whad seppukuing herself in the corner over it.

I also find it interesting how she spaced out her read list.
Also, to dissect it:
Lol SuperJack as a Town Read? He has done nothing, and is voting me because I have "too much information on day 1" when I copy & pasted an article from Wikipedia, that he still hasn't addressed lol.
Iced_Monopoly is not enough info? He literally has posted the most substance all game, and actually interacted with Whad the most. If anything, Iced should be her strongest read.
Mesk's read is based on never communicating with Mesk, but it's her #1 Town Read. Wat?
Then, in her read of yzb, she states she agrees that Mesk is playing anti-town? So, someone you think is Anti-Town is your #1 Town Read? LOL Where did you pull this list out of?

I really don't like this defense of Iced. It reinforces that quantity=quality. Some people post very limited content in posts and take more posts to get something useful. Iced just seemed to be theory speccing, and in a manner that flipping might tell something about those deemed information and lurker lynches but not really. He never really talked about people by name (for the most part).

[Titus]

When youre not a jokester, but you post jokes

None of that is jokes but town trolling.

First, creating a jovial nature while indicating yeah we know lurking isn't going to be tolerated.
Second, I'm getting bored. Let's get some votes in this place. RVS.
Third, I'm getting frustrated by the lack of communication but still going at it.

None of those are jokes. They convey my emotional state in a light hearted manner.

[Whad]

-vote Whad

I cannot get over how lazy the reads he posted last night were.

Those who think Crypt is more scummy than Whad need to explain to me why they think Whad is an inferior lynch choice. Yzb post is pretty good though. At this point, my hesitation on joining the Crypt hype train is because of how awful the justification from SJ and Whad was.

Can you explain exactly why you think I am scummy? Many people are taking issue with my reads list.

At that state of the game, there was not a lot of information to go off of. My purpose in making it was to get people talking, to see how people felt about my gut sorting of people and to help advance the gamestate. A pity that people are scum reading me for that but if you can think about my motivations behind posting it I think you can see it was in a sincere effort to help the town. As such, I think it was successful.

[Cryptonic]

I like that Crypt is approaching the game from a different angle than most people and is trying to put attention on people like SJ and Whad. While I know there's not any SJ/Whad connection since I'm not scum I can see how it's reasonable that one might think that.

There is absolutely no Whad-SJ connection, which is strange because there definitely should be some with how your paths have crossed several times this game.
You still haven't explained (even though I asked twice now) as to why you agree with SJ, and what you agreed with.
SJ refuses to pressure for agreeing with his "joke", and actually doesn't even acknowledge that fact (even though I'd brought it up like 10+ times).
You have not asked SJ a single question, yet you read him as Town.
SJ has not asked you a single question.
You two avoid each other.


How can this be?????????
Oh right, you have a BTSC

[Titus]

In your reads list you said you were slightly town-reading me and now you claim to have changed from scum-reading me to village idiot?

Congrats with the contradiction, my friend.

I don't like this. This is a stretch to create a contradiction. A village idiot read is by necessity town. There's pressuring because a read is confusing garbage, and then there's calling something a contradiction when it isn't.

[Titus]

That was in response to yzb scum reading you. (note the quoted post). I said that I disagree with YZB's scum read of you since I think you're VI.

I like that you're looking for contradictions even if what you pointed out wasn't one.

Ok, now I wonder what experience level Whad has. Why is Whad supposing that Gyrlander is "looking for contradictions" instead of trying to force contradictions?

[Titus]

I like that you expect people to understand exactly what you mean when both meanings are perfectly understandable.

Umm what the fork is this? This resolution feels artifical.

[Iced_Monopoly]

None of that is jokes but town trolling.

First, creating a jovial nature while indicating yeah we know lurking isn't going to be tolerated.
Second, I'm getting bored. Let's get some votes in this place. RVS.
Third, I'm getting frustrated by the lack of communication but still going at it.

None of those are jokes. They convey my emotional state in a light hearted manner.

Trolling is considered joking.
Jovial nature is a description you would give to a jokester.
How can you be frustrated or bored by lack of communication 18 posts into the game?

They are all jokes, making references to past games, while indicating you are (or arent) roles that dont exist in this setup are very clearly light hearted jokes. What 'serious' play would you make from claiming to be an escort or mason in this setup? none. Its a throwback, which is a joke. They are all jokes. I dont even know why you'd fight that. If you were so 'serious' there wouldnt be any light heartedness. What kind of a fucking point is this to fight on?

[Titus]

You like SuperJack calling me out?? You realize he called me out for "having too much info d1" when it was copy pasta????
?????
?????????
REALLY?

I don't understand that. You like that he didn't read my post, but voted me for it? That's just amazing

I like the indignation here.

[Whad]

Please explain how you agreed with SuperJack's reasoning.

RVS thing to put a vote on you. But I do stand by having a gut town read of SJ at that stage of the game that I made my read wall post. Based on player attitude. Will have to re-evaluate.

[Titus]

Trolling is considered joking.
Jovial nature is a description you would give to a jokester.
How can you be frustrated or bored by lack of communication 18 posts into the game?

They are all jokes, making references to past games, while indicating you are (or arent) roles that dont exist in this setup are very clearly light hearted jokes. What 'serious' play would you make from claiming to be an escort or mason in this setup? none. Its a throwback, which is a joke. They are all jokes. I dont even know why you'd fight that. If you were so 'serious' there wouldnt be any light heartedness. What kind of a fucking point is this to fight on?

I don't know. Why are you being so semantic rather than focusing on the reads that I'm posting as I'm catching up? I don't view what I did as a joke. You either are trying to make it look that way or not. I had objectives. I stated them. Sort the objectives or not. What good comes from quibbling about a label of a joke?