Pls make an option to remove survivor out of randoms

[CmG]

Nobody likes this role, nobody wants to play it. Why survivor in pubs if you can have an executioner with night immunity? Makes no sense, makes no fun. Why can we choose to have no citizens in the setup but Survivor is still possible which is really the most boring role in the whole game.


Pls make an option to exclude survivor as a role. or delete it completely and get another beningn /neutral instead of it. Hell it's not even game throwing if the survivor leaves instantly.

[Ash]

Survivor helps balance setups, just like amnesiac.

[CmG]

I don'T care what it helps. ITS FUCKING BORING TO BE SURVIVOR.

[Ash]

I don'T care what it helps. ITS FUCKING BORING TO BE SURVIVOR.

thats the same attitude i hear from "pls take citizen away"

[CmG]

a citizen has at least a side who can win for him if he is dead and a viable tie breaker role. Citizen is fun because you can fish for a kill and win. A survivor is not! He plays only for himself nobody backs him up.

[Ambient]

Stop being retarded. If you do not want a survivor just modify the neutral settings >.>

[CmG]

How without excluding jester my dear? Not possible! Fixed jester is not as funny as a random jester. Don'T call me retarded! >.>

[Ash]

a citizen has at least a side who can win for him if he is dead and a viable tie breaker role. Citizen is fun because you can fish for a kill and win. A survivor is not! He plays only for himself nobody backs him up.

Survivor will most likely win because:
-He can have more than 1 vest.
-He can always side with the winning side and try not to make a threat to town/mafia/evil neutrals.

Whenever I'm survivor I usually troll and call out random people (isn't against the rules if your a survivor I believe) or just act like a normal citizen but help town.

Survivor can also be fun because if you ever get jailed you have to learn how to lie, since most jailors think survivors are dicks. Same thing if your about to get lynched.

[Ash]

Also, survivor shares the same investigative result as witch, witch wouldn't have a defense without survivor.
If DR does decide to remove survivor, he would have to reshuffle the investigative results or at least invent a new role that shares the same description as witch.

The only reasonable reason I see towards removing survivor would be that we already have a role that balances settings which is amnesiac.

[CmG]

i just want to have an option to exlude him out of basic random and instead getting the amnesiac or executioner in there. He can stay in game by any means.

[Dust]

I don't see what the problem is. I love playing as survivor because I can turn an entire game around. Having that much power is something that not may roles can do normally.

[Bazar]

I love being survivor.

Its all about how you play, me i'll try to prove i'm a survivor, and hunt any killing neutrals. Reassure town and keep them together so they don't start random lynching me, while not providing a direct threat to Mafia.

I'm given reasonably strong defence vs the night, but so i simply need to ensure town and mafia don't bother to lynch me, and that's the challenge of this roll.
Proving to both sides that you are better left alive then killed, a reverse jester.
You win by not getting lynched!

That's pretty damned amazing, given how distrustful town is, and how dedicated Mafia are to avoid a random lynch pointed at them.
It does help if you have a jailer however, otherwise town has no reason not to lynch your sorry hide.

I'll also add, i use survivor as the 15th member in my hosted games. Its pretty well balanced at 14 members, but the 15th member works best as a true neutral. Which is the survivor.

[CmG]

I really don't care if you wear funny vests naked in your sleeping room with some pantyhose over your head.

I just want an option to exculde it ALONE from random neutral or basic neutral.

[Sookie]

I love being survivor.

Its all about how you play, me i'll try to prove i'm a survivor, and hunt any killing neutrals. Reassure town and keep them together so they don't start random lynching me, while not providing a direct threat to Mafia.

I'm given reasonably strong defence vs the night, but so i simply need to ensure town and mafia don't bother to lynch me, and that's the challenge of this roll.
Proving to both sides that you are better left alive then killed, a reverse jester.
You win by not getting lynched!

That's pretty damned amazing, given how distrustful town is, and how dedicated Mafia are to avoid a random lynch pointed at them.
It does help if you have a jailer however, otherwise town has no reason not to lynch your sorry hide.

I'll also add, i use survivor as the 15th member in my hosted games. Its pretty well balanced at 14 members, but the 15th member works best as a true neutral. Which is the survivor.

i too love being the survivor it's my 3rd favorite role next to witch and bus driver. its a lot of fun. i do admit i sometimes troll pretty hard when i'm a survivor. accuse random people, say dumb things and stuff like that. because in the end I'm playing for myself with many vests to protect me at night. so what do i have to lose? may as well have fun with it lol also doing all these easily tips off the mafia ect. that your probably not town, and likely not a threat to them. infact you sewing chaos into the town is in their best interest. there are many ways to play as a survivor

when i do play seriously as one its nice to be that 3rd person whose not on anyone side but can input on the things said. sometimes i'll point out someones lie or sometimes i will point out "such and such is probably this role because of <insert reason>" to maybe tip off the mafia or nuet killers. its a fun role to the right people, those who think its boring are probably the jailors and vig's that random kill and wipe out off the town themselves is my best guess. people who aren't smart enough to use their powers wisely would likely say a citizen or survivor is boring.

[BorkBot]

On EU, town always kills survivors when they don't know anyone better to kill. Which is actually quite sensible if you want to maintain a vote majority and you might hit a witch or amnesiac who was obviously going to pick some evil role. And if you play like a jester, the jailor/vigilante will likely kill you at night.

You're fodder just like a citizen, except you can't win if you die. I hate being a survivor as well.

[Admiral]

also doing all these easily tips off the mafia ect. that your probably not town, and likely not a threat to them. infact you sewing chaos into the town is in their best interest. there are many ways to play as a survivor

When I get killed by the mafia after doing that I can't help but wonder if they're retarded.

[Apprentice]

Or they just don't like you.

[suicidaln00b]

op needs 2 get good

[Lysergic]

I really don't care if you wear funny vests naked in your sleeping room with some pantyhose over your head.

I just want an option to exculde it ALONE from random neutral or basic neutral.

Okay, then I want an option to exclude Blackmailer for Mafia, Doctor for town, Vig for town, Vet for town, Masons for town, and Jester for neutrals. That way, I NEVER have to EVER EVER see a role I don't like. (Just to be clear, I like all those roles, but I commonly see them picked on, hence the examples)

In fact, DR, why don't you just reprogram all of Mafia to suit my personal tastes, since what I like is WAY MORE IMPORTANT than what the community as a whole wants?

[Kromos]

I know why CmG is so angry about this now. It's because he's actually a survivor in forum mafia!

[KyuuSC]

I don'T care what it helps. ITS FUCKING BORING TO BE SURVIVOR.

What? You spend the game not giving a crap about either side. So, it's fun watching either side fail - while trying to live.

[cookies4you]

Survivors are one of my favorite classes. They're like Citizens, only 3x stronger, but without the point bonus. Also, Survivors win no matter what as long as they survive. Nobody targets Survivors. Hell, I survived as Mayor by claiming survivor.