Silly Christians, smh
Silly Christians, smh
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
More like praying for that he gets impeached at some point~
A large portion of the world is religious, it's not very surprising.
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They were more like a speech than a prayer.. Who the fuck scripts out a conversation with their God?
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Nick Offerman's comedy show at my school had a higher turnout. Sad!
Many such cases!
Last edited by Orpz; January 20th, 2017 at 01:10 PM.
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I am sure the fact Obamas inaugural celebration having Bruce Springsteen, James Taylor, John Legend, Mary J. Blige, Jon Bon Jovi, will.i.am, Stevie Wonder, Usher, Shakira, U2, John Mellencamp, Josh Groban, Herbie Hancock, Garth Brooks, Beyoncé, and Aretha Franklin didnt have anything to do with that. I would go to a pro-rape celebration if it had that lineup of artists.
I think Trump only had Toby Keith and someone named Sam Moore who I have never herd of..
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
To be fair only 4% of the den of rats known as Washington, D.C. voted for Trump. Virtually everyone at the inauguration probably came from out of town. If the city hosting the inauguration universally reviles Trump obviously he's going to get low turnout. If anything the fact DC hates him means he's doing something right.
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theres hardly anyone at his inaugurations because cuz the bulk of his supporters are at home preparing for kristallnacht 2.0
The only prayers are that he doesn't fuck anything up too bad.
Prayers are fine, especially if it's just tradition.
My high school always had a prayer during morning assembly(yes every morning, it was a pretty traditional school), and the head prefect would always read a bible verse on mondays.
I would bet a lot of money that the prefects, and even the headmaster who reads the prayer is atheist.
As long as it isn't used to jab, or pushed into our faces I feel it's fine.
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That pic is fake news. Try this one.
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Putting a non-sourced pic in and saying the other pic is fake, doesn't really make your point.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...r-metrics-don/
Did you read the article? It's saying those are estimations based on the picture that Orpz posted
I ain't saying that he drew crowds like Obama lol
Being first black president being sworn in, on a nice day, with minimal threats of violence, in a democratic district with a democratic president. There is absolutely no way Trump could draw the same crowd as Obama. All the reporters saying he pulled in the biggest crowds are just as dumb as the reporters showing the picture hours before inauguration.
That isn't what fake news means. That's a real picture, with a real explanation. Nothing about it is made up. Fake news is news that is wholly fabricated and usually posted on sketchy websites or spread on social media. Like that time I posted a fake article I made up saying that Obama smoked crack in office on a Trump supporter facebook page, which then got quite a few likes and shares.
It seems that Trump and his supporters have appropriated the term "fake news" to mean "news that doesn't support the narrative that Trump is literally Jesus". Sad!
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Yes, I read the article and the links. They don't count, they estimate. Trump's Press Secretary saying it's the biggest crowd ever is a joke.
Not really.
The estimations are based on how far each gate goes at each section. They also used date from the MTA to figure out how many people took rides that day.
It's not fake news at all though, he said he had 1.5 million people at his inauguration. There is just absolutely no data or pictures to prove that statement. And yes he said that number at the CIA.
Also his press secretary said it was the most attended inauguration EVER. PERIOD. Which is false. Obama's first inauguration drew in 1.8 million people. Even if Trump's number of 1.5 is correct, he was still short by 300 thousand people.
I'd say he probably got 700 thousand people. How many of that number were protestors? Probably not a significant amount.
The thing that is dangerous here is that the president and his team are deciding to wage war against the media. This type of behavior is typical of dictators and can lead to a very slippery slope.
I just watched a video of Chuck Todd and Kelly Ann Conway discussing this. She would not answer the question of why the crowd sizes were so important to talk about. We have bigger fish to fry than the press secretary coming out and arguing about whether or not the president had 500 thousand people or 700 thousand people. In the long run I'll quote Kelly Ann from the interview I just mentioned "Presidents are not judged by the size of the crowd at inauguration, they are judged by the accomplishments of their administration."
I agree with her, and it scares me when the president and his team engage in such petty bickering. Unfortunately his supporters will ignore all logic and fact to support whatever notion he is espousing. It is a dangerous time we live in, especially when our government undermines the press and no one thinks anything of it. We need to hold the press accountable, but we need to hold the president account even more so.
Regardless of how many people showed up to his inauguration. The fact remains, 3 million more people did not want him as president over HRC. Regardless of his crowd size, the day after his official rise to power MILLIONS of women, and men, from around the world went out to protest him, and his incoming administration.
"Some of these numbers are subject to change, but the historically massive scale of this protest can not be denied. The protests in Washington D.C., Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York City alone totals over 2 million people. Over 670 marches took place worldwide, with thousands of people also taking part in demonstrations in Tokyo, Dublin, Capetown, Paris, Vienna, and Yangon, to name a few." https://usuncut.com/news/official-wom...ch-attendance/
If visual aids are better for you, check out this: https://fortune.com/2017/01/21/womens-march-photos/
The point is. Arguing over his crowd size is petty and detracts from the larger picture that he is the president, and has a job to do to protect ALL Americans. It is clear that the majority of the people who voted did not want him as president. It is evident that he is bombastic and uses language that is off putting to people. It is evident that many around the world are not excited for him to be president.
His supporters say "give him a chance" but with his cabinet picks, his fighting with protestors, the media, etc on twitter..does not give me hope or trust. Let's hope that he gets his agenda done and still protects the rights of those who feel he is not going to protect us.
OH, and on the 21st of Jan....it rained, was cold, and foggy in DC. Still AT LEAST 500 thousand women showed up in DC alone...Please stop using "violence" or "the weather" as an excuse for this man. Call it what it is. The MAJORITY of American's do not like him. He needs to win our trust, favor, and he needs to PROVEt to US that he was the right person for the job. He does this by doing all he can to ensure America is moved forward, and ALL of us are lifted up. Let's stop engaging in excuse making for this man. He is unpopular with the majority, he still has a strong following. But remember the majority of people who "love him" or "trust him" is much lower than the amount of people that voted for him. So yes, enthusiasm for his inauguration would not be at an all time high. And that's OK. He won.
Ah gotcha. Well my point still stands as general thought.
Also, Kelly Ann just said he pulled in much larger numbers for his TV ratings of his Inauguration. They used Obama's SECOND inauguration as their comparison. They neglected that Obama had 7 Million more viewers for his 1st inauguration/
I don't not think he drew a larger crowd than Obama. However, that photo that has been circulated showing a sparse crowd is pushing a false narrative and trying to fuel the disdain towards the new president of the United States.
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It's not a false narrative. It says very clearly that, that was the size of the crowd an hour before he was sworn in. Sure, in that hour way more people could have funneled in. But they compared it to Obama's crowd at the same time when he was sworn in for the first time. Pictures don't lie. Sure you can frame a story a certain way. However, things I heard Trump say at the CIA were a LIE.
He said he had 1.5 million people. FALSE.
He said his crowd went all the way back to the Washington Monument. As evidenced by your picture, this is also NOT true.
The media does not need to do anything to fuel disdain for Trump. He does it all on his own, every day, on twitter.
And that's not a "sparse crowd" that is a far away wide angle shot that gives you more depth. Your picture is from ground level, from the perspective for the president. Of course as your closer things look like there are more, when you're farther away you can get the entire scope. It is possible that's all of the people that went and both pictures are true. They're from two different perspectives, and they're going to look drastically different.
What's false about it? There's lots of pictures of the crowd circulating out there. Why is your picture more correct than the other one? You are the one pushing a narrative to fit what you want portrayed. Exactly what you are accusing others of.
Bottom line here is no one has to fuel any disdain for the POTUS. He does that perfectly well on his own. The fact that his Press Secretary feels the need to outright lie about the numbers, which in the overall scheme of things, is remarkably petty shows exactly what this President and his administration is all about. Well, that and all the petualant tempertantrums on twitter, stupid fights with the media and a basic overall temperment showing he has no ability to know when he should say something and when he should keep his damn mouth shut.
But the thing is that the picture that toss took has no link or validity right now. If there is a link that can substance it then i could see it, but until then we can basically say her picture was edited as well. Also PTB points about the angle of it still stands.
pedit: PTB beats me to it and basically shows that even if toss pic is valid that the angle of it is misleading
Oh and the video i watched today. Kelly Ann Conway said that the Trump team was presenting "alternative facts" -- soooooo basically, "alternative facts" is code for "lies"
Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/news...facts-20170122
I always watch videos with her in it. And half way through I'm like, why am I doing this again? She never answers a single question. All she does is pivot.
Chuck Todd took her to task, and I think more in the media will too. She said some scary things, basically, alluding to cutting of NBC b/c she doesn't like Todd's questions. It'll be scary if Trump and his team refuse to go on any news media. Except for ones that don't question them on shit.
Found a great, wider angle shot from the pres perspective. Kind've gives credence to the first picture that shows the smaller crowd. Here you can see more of the depth and perspective, and the holes.
Did anybody else notice that Bill and Hillary looked hopped up on prozac for the entire inauguration? She had a manic smile like a cornered Hyena. Obama just looked like he had been forced to eat shit.
Why are people talking about crowd sizes in a thread about prayers in a governmental event
We need to take our thread back
Originally Posted by BananaCucho