2017 Winter Scummies Discussion Thread

[Cryptonic]

Discussion regarding the 2017 Winter Scummies award.

[Cryptonic]

Discussion regarding the 2017 Winter Scummies award.

[DarknessB]

A couple come to mind IMO:

1. Iced_Monopoly for Masquerade Madness (disguiser games are always interesting and provided a good variety to the typical setups).
2. Cryptonic for Politico (politics is always fun and there were some interesting elements with negative votes, anonymous votes).
3. Helz for Instant Mafia (the game mechanic is probably one we should run more often for purposes of improving collective LYLO skills).

[Cryptonic]

I think Iced_Monopoly's Masquerade Madness theme really matched the setup. Really helped set the mood of the game.

I also think Frog's Mean Girls theme was good, because who doesn't like Mean Girls? And he also kept up with his theme the entire game, which I find some hosts fail to due past the setup phase.

[DarknessB]

I think Iced_Monopoly's Masquerade Madness theme really matched the setup. Really helped set the mood of the game.

I also think Frog's Mean Girls theme was good, because who doesn't like Mean Girls? And he also kept up with his theme the entire game, which I find some hosts fail to due past the setup phase.

Frog almost changed that theme to some other anime thing, but luckily it carried, lol.

[Cryptonic]

Frog almost changed that theme to some other anime thing, but luckily it carried, lol.

Yea I think he was going to do Death Note, but decided to try to think of a setup that went with that theme more.

[Mesk514]

I think Iced_Monopoly's Masquerade Madness theme really matched the setup. Really helped set the mood of the game.

I second this

[PowersThatBe]

I second this

third this


And with that, I'm off until voting commences.

[Firebringer]

Masquerade probably best I'd seen.

[Cryptonic]

Discussion regarding the 2017 Winter Scummies award.

[DarknessB]

I think Iced_Monopoly has to be in contention here for his body of work over the last 6 months -- both Island Conflict (which had a number of interesting elements in it -- a poisoner type role, a powerful neutral with a range of odd abilities, etc.) and Masquerade Madness (as discussed in another thread, used an interesting disguiser mechanic and had the opportunity for a no-change kill as well). Iced has done a good job at crafting interesting setups that remain faithful to the concept of scumhunting (i.e. they're not too far off base). Both of these games also had good RP as well that supplemented the game mechanics.

[PowersThatBe]

i'd like to nominate 3 hosts for 3 different reasons.


1. Crypt for Inside Job. I thought the set up, each day, and every host post was clean, easy to read, legible, consistently delivered. Also, Crypt made it a post to update us even if he couldn't do Day end post at that very moment, all in all, it was a incident and mistake free game that was very fun and had a very smooth run.

2. Ika/Silverwolf: Mostly for their thematic approach to each of their posts at day or day end. I felt there was nice attempt at delivering the audience a world that we were participating in, and not just a FM game.

3. Iced_Monoply for MM. 1. for style, and presentation. Kept a nice bit of RP in each post, each post was quickly updated within reason. 2. I felt the way in which everything was presented looked good. 3. Quick to notify us of a replacement and took care of it quickly. 4. Worked to match players based on time-zone to keep us all together. 5. Developed individual personalities for each anon account and made it a point that each player had to stay within the confines of that fake profile.

[Cryptonic]

Discussion regarding the 2017 Winter Scummies award.

[DarknessB]

Ignoring the clusterfuck of rules issues, the Town played very well in Mafia Wars III, including the Godfather, Consig, and combination of Kidnappers, who were effectively able to form a Town circle and identify scummy players for kidnapping and execution. The Town was also effectively able to distinguish between scummy behavior from Town players and outright scum, which isn't often seen in S-FMs.

[Cryptonic]

Discussion regarding the 2017 Winter Scummies award.

[Unknown1234]

I think Mesk, Darkness, and Calix did well in Black Flag Nightless. They had full control of the game and were able to deceive the town into miss lynching enough times, as well as at the same time protecting their teammates from lynches.

[deathworlds]

I think Mesk, Darkness, and Calix did well in Black Flag Nightless. They had full control of the game and were able to deceive the town into miss lynching enough times, as well as at the same time protecting their teammates from lynches.

They did very well despite being unable to eliminate town leaders.

[Yukitaka Oni]

It has to this way

[MattZed]

The scumteams in FM Game of Thrones, especially team Baratheon driven by @Lysergic as FM Yankee. A well-crafted victory with an epic use of dayvig at the end.

[DarknessB]

The scumteams in FM Game of Thrones, especially team Baratheon driven by @Lysergic as FM Yankee. A well-crafted victory with an epic use of dayvig at the end.

Philosophical question for the FM team -- there are already a bunch of FM only awards (i.e. MVP and the other awards given out during that game -- Best Town, etc.). Is there a reason the big FM is being considered with the Scummies? I think many of us, myself included, will be disappointed if the Scummies become disproportionately focused on the FM vs. S-FMs and M-FMs, which don't receive as much comparative attention.

[Cryptonic]

Philosophical question for the FM team -- there are already a bunch of FM only awards (i.e. MVP and the other awards given out during that game -- Best Town, etc.). Is there a reason the big FM is being considered with the Scummies? I think many of us, myself included, will be disappointed if the Scummies become disproportionately focused on the FM vs. S-FMs and M-FMs, which don't receive as much comparative attention.

It's being considered because these are awards that encompass and celebrates Forum Mafia on our site as a whole.

If you want more S-FM and M-FM play to be noticed, nominate more S-FM and M-FM play.

[MattZed]

Philosophical question for the FM team -- there are already a bunch of FM only awards (i.e. MVP and the other awards given out during that game -- Best Town, etc.). Is there a reason the big FM is being considered with the Scummies? I think many of us, myself included, will be disappointed if the Scummies become disproportionately focused on the FM vs. S-FMs and M-FMs, which don't receive as much comparative attention.

Given the current discussion, it would appear these awards are mostly going to fall on M-FMs/S-FMs, which also happens simply because you can't get all of the achievements to be possible in the big FMs, and there are more S-FMs, period.

I'm mostly just nominating some from the big FM because I think some here will have forgotten about them. Scummies are an extra level of prestige, which FM play deserves to be eligible for. We also have informal awards for S-FM and M-FM play, but this is a chance for those awards to be formalized on site and compared to similar plays in other games.

[Firebringer]

The scumteams in FM Game of Thrones, especially team Baratheon driven by @Lysergic as FM Yankee. A well-crafted victory with an epic use of dayvig at the end.

I extremely disagree with this, but not on a "they did shit" level. Just on a "everything fell into place so it was easy" kind of thing

[Unknown1234]

I agree with your point that the FM players in certain games have already received awards. However, given that there are certain awards that may not have been acknowledged, I wouldn't exclude those from the running.

[DarknessB]

I agree with your point that the FM players in certain games have already received awards. However, given that there are certain awards that may not have been acknowledged, I wouldn't exclude those from the running.

Oh, I'm not necessarily saying to exclude the FM -- more just suggesting that the FM players receive a number of post-game accolades already, so it'd be nice if the Scummies helped to fill that void for M-FM and especially S-FM games as well. If there was something which stuck out exceptionally in an FM, of course it should be considered in my mind. Just would prefer us not making the Scummies into a second round of awards for the FM vs. recognizing great play in a variety of different games.

[Cryptonic]

Discussion regarding the 2017 Winter Scummies award.

[Unknown1234]

I would probably nominate Brendan (aka M-FM Yes) for his sharp shooting skills in Fringe and was able to take out the scum. Without his shooting that universe would have had a lot more trouble given the other universe had controlled a lot of the voting phases.

[PowersThatBe]

I would have to say Banana's use of Vigi in Spirits. She allowed two separate vigi role claim 1v1's to happen without blowing up her own spot. She also took out the #1 scum target in most people's eyes to clear the room for discussion.

[MattZed]

I second the nomination of Brendan as M-FM Yes.

[Cryptonic]

Discussion regarding the 2017 Winter Scummies award.

[DarknessB]

Although the Town didn't end up winning (thanks to a quasi-game-thrower that will remain nameless...), I thought BananaCucho's play in Give or Take was very strong, in terms of using WIFOM effectively to protect the Vigilante and helping to ensure that Banana would be in a position to contribute end-game, even while just being a Citizen. There was also some very effective mechanical deductions by Banana in that game which helped limit the scum pool down. There were also a lot of clues given in day chat that the TPRs were able to read, which helped to form an effective Town bloc.

Also, Quick's Town play in Spirits was very good in terms of accurate scumreading and a gambit that threw the scumteam off.

[yzb25]

Calix's play in Empire was very strong too. Her readlist on d2 was almost bang-on-the-money, and her command over the game resulted in scums getting hammered before they even got on to defend themselves. If it weren't for her overbearing presence, the scums would have had a good chance of pulling off a mislynch on RLVG or Mesk, who were under suspicion from Sino and eachother.

There wasn't any fancy play, but she had the fundamentals down to a T, and she turned a game that was up in the air into a closed case.

[PowersThatBe]

I'd have to go with Mesk for Spirits or Lazy. She town read someone, used her logic skills to figure out that person was in fact town. Trusted that person, formed a town block and ultimately had a hand in every vote in both games, which led to victories.

[Cryptonic]

Discussion regarding the 2017 Winter Scummies award.

[PowersThatBe]

This one has to go to Unknown for Spirits, he had most of us convinced he was town until the disastrous 1v1 with yzb. While FB was never truly figured out, BC and SJ were on to him enough that he would have been found out eventually. However, Unknown worked really hard to convince everyone that yzb was scum and it was pretty much split down the middle.

[Cryptonic]

Discussion regarding the 2017 Winter Scummies award.

[Unknown1234]

SilverWolf played well in Empire. She was able to establish herself as a Town to most people and was able to pick off her targets to win the game.

[PowersThatBe]

Hi, just popping in to nom some scummies!

I would like to throw a nom at Crypt for MM. The game had a few challenges that the neutral had to overcome and I felt that Crypt's play Day 1, which consisted in lazering in on the "weakest" town link to push a mislynch. Also, his use of no disguise first kill which caused a shit ton of paranoia, and then his making it to the final 3. I feel he only lost because Calix and Mesk decided to turbo lynch. Otherwise, he was running that game pretty well.

[MattZed]

There are remarkably few people even eligible here, given the recent paucity of neutral roles in recent games. However, I nominate Firebringer as FM Romeo in FM Game of Thrones. Although he didn't win, he put a metric shitton of effort in and helped carry his team much further than they otherwise would have. Had his team not been brutally murdered early on by night kills, he may well have won.

Hi, just popping in to nom some scummies!

I would like to throw a nom at Crypt for MM. The game had a few challenges that the neutral had to overcome and I felt that Crypt's play Day 1, which consisted in lazering in on the "weakest" town link to push a mislynch. Also, his use of no disguise first kill which caused a shit ton of paranoia, and then his making it to the final 3. I feel he only lost because Calix and Mesk decided to turbo lynch. Otherwise, he was running that game pretty well.

Being a solo scum in a game doesn't make one a neutral, lol.

[MattZed]

Also nominating @Cryptonic as batspam because FM 24 is eligible. Those who were there need little explanation.

[Stealthbomber16]

Also nominating @Cryptonic as batspam because FM 24 is eligible. Those who were there need little explanation.

FM Batspam for prez.

[DarknessB]

Nominating Kovath for his performance in Island Conflict. I know he didn't end up winning (on account of a weird kingmaker situation), but he lasted until the end of the game, managed to do an effective job of avoiding suspicion, and got the Town to go along with his reads (among other things, effectively misrepping me, lol) and to Townread him generally speaking.

[DarknessB]

Also, Unknown was a top notch Jester King in Insanity, lol -- memorable if nothing else.

[Unknown1234]

Also, Unknown was a top notch Jester King in Insanity, lol -- memorable if nothing else.

My Jesters were mad at me for evading a lynch when I was holding an Ritual Killer rolecard at the same time lol.

[Cryptonic]

Discussion regarding the 2017 Winter Scummies award.

[DarknessB]

Unfortunately, the time period for this award rules out the promising crop of newcomers from the first Beginner's game. Therefore, I'd nominate Stereo who was a very active mod player for a while, but who made the plunge into FM well over the past 6 months. Unlike many other mod players, he has a serious tone and seems to command a good deal of gravitas. Hopefully, he will continue to be active in games this coming year.

[yzb25]

Unfortunately, the time period for this award rules out the promising crop of newcomers from the first Beginner's game. Therefore, I'd nominate Stereo who was a very active mod player for a while, but who made the plunge into FM well over the past 6 months. Unlike many other mod players, he has a serious tone and seems to command a good deal of gravitas. Hopefully, he will continue to be active in games this coming year.

Agreed. The couch obsesssion seems promising too. He might even get granted a profile picture one day... but let's not get ahead of ourselves...

sometimes at night i lay on my couch and pretend i am a couch

I don't want to die. Coming to terms with my own mortality is something of great difficulty to me. After death, is there anything? Heaven? Hell? Nothing? Or perhaps the Buddhists got it right with reincarnation. I can't be too sure, but the ever present possibility of my own death has terrified me more so than anything else. Occasionally I can forget about it. Move on with my life and live as normally as being myself can be. But it always comes back. Long sleepless nights where I've nothing but my own thoughts to attend to. It's hard during those times to not fancy the thought. Perhaps entertain myself with the possibilities before finally finding peace in slumber. Then there are those nights that I lay on my couch and pretend I am a couch.

[BananaCucho]

So Unknown doesn't fall into thia category? RIP

[Mesk514]

So Unknown doesn't fall into thia category? RIP

it's a shame you don't consider me the best you're the one who taught me how to play this game

[BananaCucho]

it's a shame you don't consider me the best you're the one who taught me how to play this game

<3 You're still my Messy Banana