S-FM 220: Empire

[secondpassing]

How is this deceptive and not pro-town in any shape and form?



Is that really one of your arguments?




I find it curious that at L-1 SJ you decide to pull this big one against Ika. If SJ flips scum, what will it say about your own alignment?
I'm starting to see it as an attempted defense of partner and trying to get someone else.

I literally pulled this yesterday when deathworlds was on the lynch block. deathworlds flipped town. What will this say about my alignment?
o.o"

Fake Question: Can I ever push someone without looking like I'm trying to detract from the lynch?
Real Question: Do you agree with the other points?

[secondpassing]

post edit? (is that how these things work?)
I've just looked over MattZed's case and it has a lot of the same points I bring up against ika.
This, along with the statement of Calix's "this game lacks evidence of scum manipulation of chat" weakens my read of SJ entirely.

Sj ika yzb are probably the scum team.

[yzb25]

Hello, I'm present. :3

Real talk, Mattzed is the most obvious neutral in the universe. If he isn't neutral, he's been doing some crazy WIFOM this game.

If SJ flips town, Mattzed gets shot today, and then scum NKs tonight, we lose the game.

I still feel more comfortable lynching Ika. I like the reasoning on Ika more. I think SJ's involvement in DW's train yesterday has been heavily overanalyzed. Hell, I'd even be more comfortable lynching RLVG, who is null as opposed to my null/townread on SJ.

Of course, this is all predicated on Mattzed being neut. If he isn't, we've basically auto-won lol.

[secondpassing]

There is 12 minutes left.

Intent to hammer.
Day 3 plan: Lynch ika. Examine if yzb is dead or not.
@Gyrlander Why isnt the Emperor's Royal Guard dead yet? If he does not die now, when?
Quote Originally Posted by Emperor's Royal Guard
You will know who visit the Empress and the Emperor every night. You can kill someone at day (PM the Host) but you will die in the process unless your target is the Corrupted Royal Assasin, in which case you will survive. If your target is the Pleb Leader you will die.

[RLVG]

Hell, I'd even be more comfortable lynching RLVG, who is null as opposed to my null/townread on SJ.

Warning : YZB isn't actually paying attention to the game.

[yzb25]

There is 12 minutes left.

Intent to hammer.
Day 3 plan: Lynch ika. Examine if yzb is dead or not.
@Gyrlander Why isnt the Emperor's Royal Guard dead yet? If he does not die now, when?
Quote Originally Posted by Emperor's Royal Guard
You will know who visit the Empress and the Emperor every night. You can kill someone at day (PM the Host) but you will die in the process unless your target is the Corrupted Royal Assasin, in which case you will survive. If your target is the Pleb Leader you will die.

There's 1 day and 9 minutes left.

[secondpassing]

Warning : YZB isn't actually paying attention to the game.

heheh, nor are you? I started this ika thing yesterday.

[secondpassing]

There's 1 day and 9 minutes left.

Really? Frick. XD uh. RETRACT THAT STATEMENT

[yzb25]

Warning : YZB isn't actually paying attention to the game.

I have just read 30 pages (I never read EOD1), I might also be slightly delusional and exhausted from RL, but I like to think I have a reasonable grasp on reality lol.

[RLVG]

heheh, nor are you? I started this ika thing yesterday.

Yes you did, but it did not quite help yourself. If Ika is scum, he's neutral. If SJ flips red, you're most likely an associate.

I have just read 30 pages (I never read EOD1), I might also be slightly delusional and exhausted from RL, but I like to think I have a reasonable grasp on reality lol.

I'm a Citizen who's not a leader, FYI.

[yzb25]

-vote Ika

I still wanna look into the suspects and give my perspective. I'm basically going to sheep Calix's read on Mesk because she seems to know a lot more about Mesk's scumplay than me, and I'm just gonna accept that if SW is scum she's massively outplayed me and I'll never be able to build a good case on her beyond "she seemed opportunistic that one time and seems to be subtly ripping reads off of others", but other than that everything's kinda up in the air.

[yzb25]

Yes you did, but it did not quite help yourself. If Ika is scum, he's neutral. If SJ flips red, you're most likely an associate.



I'm a Citizen who's not a leader, FYI.

Woopdeedoo so am I LOL. I never took that claim unconditionally given that, by RLVG's standards, that's a weak scum gambit =P

[RLVG]

-vote Ika

I still wanna look into the suspects and give my perspective. I'm basically going to sheep Calix's read on Mesk because she seems to know a lot more about Mesk's scumplay than me, and I'm just gonna accept that if SW is scum she's massively outplayed me and I'll never be able to build a good case on her beyond "she seemed opportunistic that one time and seems to be subtly ripping reads off of others", but other than that everything's kinda up in the air.

See, diversion successful?

Just vote SJ. We all, including Calix, want SJ lynched. I'm not going to vote Ika just because you suddenly got the idea to change trains.

[yzb25]

Woopdeedoo so am I LOL. I never took that claim unconditionally given that, by RLVG's standards, that's a weak scum gambit =P

(As in I could easily see you making such an early claim as scum)

[ika]

-vote superjack

Ninja bathroom hammer

[The Godfather]

SuperJack has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


SuperJack (5 [L-0]): MattZed, SilverWolf, Mesk514, RLVG, ika
ika (1 [L-4]): yzb25

[yzb25]

See, diversion successful?

Just vote SJ. We all, including Calix, want SJ lynched. I'm not going to vote Ika just because you suddenly got the idea to change trains.

Don't speak on the behalf of everyone. I want to consider other options in this 24 hours. Some of you could be so enthusiastic about following Calix because it hands you the game. I ain't taking chances.

[Gyrlander]

SuperJack sent me the request to suicide to MZ just before the lynch so:

- SuperJack has exploded, killing MZ as he was near him.

Superjack was the Emperor's Royal Guard.

MattZed was a Citizen.

His LW was:

"Kill. SuperJack."

Day continues.

[RLVG]

SuperJack sent me the request to suicide to MZ just before the lynch so:

- SuperJack has exploded, killing MZ as he was near him.

Superjack was the Emperor's Royal Guard.

MattZed was a Citizen.

His LW was:

"Kill. SuperJack."

Day continues.

[secondpassing]

o.o"

[secondpassing]

So how did Calix die?

[RLVG]

Just lol, MZ was a Citizen, who got suicide-killed, with a LW to kill the one who suicide-killed MZ.

GG scum.

Doctor + Escort + Jailor, hmm...
Hmm...
Hmm...

So how did Calix die?

Calix was blackmailed, and then Calix was like "FUCK THIS BULLSHIT" and ignored the blackmail.

[RLVG]

Taken from my LW.

SuperJack - Emperor
Mesk514 - Empress
MattZed - Emperor's Royal Guard
Calix - Corrupted Royal Assassin

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE IN ANYMORE

[yzb25]

Hey, SJ was scum!

Celebration...?

[yzb25]

Wait we basically get to lynch again now. Omg this is like free candy XD

[RLVG]

I initially read Calix as a possible Neutral, but she flipped Doctor.
MattZed was read as a Guard scum, but he flipped Citizen.
SuperJack was read as Emperor, but was the guard - so kind of correct scum read.

SP was originally the Leader guess based on certain stuff, but after Unknown's flip - it changed to a scumread in place of Mesk.

Since Calix is dead, uh...



I'm going to guess Secondpassing/Mesk/Ika.

On the case with SP / Ika, it's probably scum vs scum.

[yzb25]

I initially read Calix as a possible Neutral, but she flipped Doctor.
MattZed was read as a Guard scum, but he flipped Citizen.
SuperJack was read as Emperor, but was the guard - so kind of correct scum read.

SP was originally the Leader guess based on certain stuff, but after Unknown's flip - it changed to a scumread in place of Mesk.

Since Calix is dead, uh...



I'm going to guess Secondpassing/Mesk/Ika.

On the case with SP / Ika, it's probably scum vs scum.

At the EOD1, I believed Matt and Ika were scum together and all their shitty setup arguments were just to distance from one another. Mattzed seemed to be playing like an over-wordy politician.

[yzb25]

At the EOD1, I believed Matt and Ika were scum together and all their shitty setup arguments were just to distance from one another. Mattzed seemed to be playing like an over-wordy politician.

I was also gonna write some mad post about how I knew Unknown was town bc of his play. I was gonna be MVP man

[RLVG]

At the EOD1, I believed Matt and Ika were scum together and all their shitty setup arguments were just to distance from one another. Mattzed seemed to be playing like an over-wordy politician.

I did not think of them as scum together, setup arguments are NAI. You pointing out that it's just to distance from eachothers is also NAI with setup spec.
Can agree with MZ playing like an over-wordy politician, and contributed to my potential scum read.

[yzb25]

Soooo

-vote Ika

[yzb25]

I did not think of them as scum together, setup arguments are NAI. You pointing out that it's just to distance from eachothers is also NAI with setup spec.
Can agree with MZ playing like an over-wordy politician, and contributed to my potential scum read.

Yeah, I didn't actually scumread them for that. I scumread them individually, and thought that the pointless arguments corroborated with my double scumread nicely

[RLVG]

@Gyrlander

The OP shortcuts is just the setup, lacks all else.

[Sino]

Oh my god, that hammer ika...

[yzb25]

Oh my god, that hammer ika...

Yeah, literally just as I started to fucking push him too. SJ flipped scum tho I guess. Bussing? Maybe he thought day would end after SJ's lynch and he'd survive? IDEK any more XD

[secondpassing]

Reasoning.

-vote ika

[Gyrlander]

Also, I missed Superjack's LW. Sorry, here it is:

=)

[yzb25]

Reasoning.

-vote ika

Here's a bright idea - let's not put this one on L-1 for the ninja hammers :P

[Sino]

Honestly i'd tell you not to quick hammer, but i'm also worried this game's activity will drop to the point of people not being here for EoD

The lynch order doesn't really matter if we go with ika/sp/yzb i guess, so i'm voting with ika for today

[RLVG]

If Ika is scum, he's Neutral, not Red.

Let's also look at the hammer : impulsive hammer, if he already knew SJ as scum by being a scum partner, he wouldn't impulsively lynch without at least something to go on with. The suicide ability is extremely overpowered when used right and if a lynch is unavoidable.

[Sino]

If Ika is scum, he's Neutral, not Red.

Let's also look at the hammer : impulsive hammer, if he already knew SJ as scum by being a scum partner, he wouldn't impulsively lynch without at least something to go on with. The suicide ability is extremely overpowered when used right and if a lynch is unavoidable.

Yeah it's also fun to note how both of ika's voters are the one Calix was scumreading.

yzb for today then ?

-vote yzb25

[Sino]

Also, I missed Superjack's LW. Sorry, here it is:

=)

@Gyrlander you said last wills are posted after the day when you killed Calix.

Also i'd like to know who's left alive now, we've had 3 deaths within one day.

[yzb25]

If Ika is scum, he's Neutral, not Red.

Let's also look at the hammer : impulsive hammer, if he already knew SJ as scum by being a scum partner, he wouldn't impulsively lynch without at least something to go on with. The suicide ability is extremely overpowered when used right and if a lynch is unavoidable.

Your points make sense, but this kinda ruins my narrative tho

Stop upsetting my flow RLVG DX

With the guard dead, neutral should come forward and claim.

[RLVG]

Yeah it's also fun to note how both of ika's voters are the one Calix was scumreading.

yzb for today then ?

-vote yzb25

YZB claimed Citizen, and I don't necessarily scum read him, currently null to be honest.

Secondpassing on the other hand...

-vote Secondpassing

[yzb25]

Your points make sense, but this kinda ruins my narrative tho

Stop upsetting my flow RLVG DX

With the guard dead, neutral should come forward and claim.

It's in his interests at this point, as he's basically completely town-aligned.

[yzb25]

YZB claimed Citizen, and I don't necessarily scum read him, currently null to be honest.

Secondpassing on the other hand...

-vote Secondpassing

Remind me what's bad about SP?

[yzb25]

BTW Sino, it seemed Calix was scumreading me because she expected more substantial, logical points from me. But frankly, that's not me at all. I don't know where she got that impression, but my points will go from really down-to-earth and logical if I'm sweating the game out, to complete horseshit if I'm tired / don't give a shit. To put it bluntly, I'm very inconsistent.

I am also known to enter retard mode with ease :3

[Gyrlander]

@Gyrlander you said last wills are posted after the day when you killed Calix.

Also i'd like to know who's left alive now, we've had 3 deaths within one day.

That's only Calix.

The current list of Alive Players is:

- Sino
- Mesk514
- RLVG
- yzb25
- SilverWolf
- ika
- Secondpassing

Which reminds me

4 votes to hammer.

[RLVG]

Remind me what's bad about SP?

Really bad reasonings for given town-reads, and other strange things. I'm lazy atm so...

Feel free to take a look on Calix' reads and posts.

[Sino]

YZB claimed Citizen, and I don't necessarily scum read him, currently null to be honest.

Secondpassing on the other hand...

-vote Secondpassing

Well, order doesn't matter at this point

-vote secondpassing

Just go with Calix's reads

[yzb25]

BTW Sino, it seemed Calix was scumreading me because she expected more substantial, logical points from me. But frankly, that's not me at all. I don't know where she got that impression, but my points will go from really down-to-earth and logical if I'm sweating the game out, to complete horseshit if I'm tired / don't give a shit. To put it bluntly, I'm very inconsistent.

I am also known to enter retard mode with ease :3

It's weird cuz we've talked a substantial amount in the past and she's very familiar with my retard mode...