S-FM 220: Empire

[Unknown1234]

Are you mad? Sino is almost certainly scum with his posts.

HE HAS OMGUS'D PEOPLE ON AT LEAST FIVE SEPARATE OCCASIONS. FIVE!

Don't get me wrong, I scum-read the other two but how the fuck are you thinking that Sino is anything less than slam-dunk scum?

Please explain.

I'm definitely not saying is play is good. How do you in particular look at this as scum Sino opposed to normal Sino activity? (Yes it's very sad to say this.)

[Sino]

"Pretty obvious"

You never talked about me at all and your comments to me earlier are NOT how a town reacts to a scum-read calling them scum.

You literally went along with everything I said and didn't try to push me at all.

I'm calling bullshit on this claim that you ever scum-read me.

I didn't go with you in the beginning, and as soon as i try to counter your points, i get called scummy for being too defensive, either way you find a way to call me scummy.

You still didn't tell us why Mesk gets a free no participation pass.

[yzb25]

lol I saw the nice Calix disappearing last page with Sino. :<

I was making a more general complaint about people disappearing, but I really don't accept that he just so happened to need to go to bed right at that moment. He had likely been needing to go to bed a while and chose that moment to do it because he had just made a quick flash of effort after people thought he was full of shit. He left because it was the most opportune time to leave in the general timeframe of bedtime.

I'm not calling him scum because of it; leaving to kill pressure helps keep anyone alive, and town needs to not get themselves lynched in order to not screw their own wincon. I scumread him because of his strawing me that reflects a lack of sincere scumhunting, and rather only a superficial reading with prods at supposed low-hanging fruit that actually weren't problematic.

But if you're going to suggest him leaving was purely innocent, I'm going to refute that. Him leaving when he did was tactical. Sure, he needed to leave, but he had some wiggle room on when to leave and chose the time that suited him best, being able to use the excuse of going to bed all the same.

This is your most substantial post of the game and it's focused on a very weak point. Like, if you wanna push SJ you should focus on the strong parts of your argument, or you're gonna distract people from the best bits.

Pls don't do this again, because it's a great way to divert the conversation if you're scum and a great way to ruin your train if you're town.

If you want more tips from the LYLO master about how to play mafia, feel free to PM me in the post-game.

[Mesk514]

When would Mesk ever feel inclined to help under pressure?

You're sucha smart kid

[Calix]

I'm definitely not saying is play is good. How do you in particular look at this as scum Sino opposed to normal Sino activity? (Yes it's very sad to say this.)

Unknown, please read Sino's filter in S-FM Lazy and then get back to me. I feel like the MASSIVE change in personality (where his meta has changed in an obviously scum-motivated way) will tell you everything you need to know.

I'm not meta-reading him as scum, by the way. He's scummy enough even if it was his first game on-site. I just think that will answer your 'normal Sino' question.

I didn't go with you in the beginning, and as soon as i try to counter your points, i get called scummy for being too defensive, either way you find a way to call me scummy.

You still didn't tell us why Mesk gets a free no participation pass.

Why would you give a shit what I call you? I thought I was supposed to be scum to you, rofl.

Because I have a read on her from what she's said so far. Nice try at diverting attention from your scummy posts onto "emergerd Mesk isn't participating"

If you actually care, go whine to Gyrlander about replacements. Otherwise STFU.

[Unknown1234]

The fact that I don't know where Sino stands on anything is annoying.

[Calix]

The fact that I don't know where Sino stands on anything is annoying.

Because he is OMGUSMASTER8000 who doesn't know how to fabricate reads since it's his first scum game

[SilverWolf]

I didn't put them in my reads list but Calix and Unknown are town to me because of similar lines of thinking and scumhunting.

Also, not sure I like this Sino turnaround on Calix. I could of sworn he townread her after she dropped her vote on him and is now scumreading her for voting him again?

I'll go re-read Sino again. BRB

[Calix]

I didn't put them in my reads list but Calix and Unknown are town to me because of similar lines of thinking and scumhunting.

Also, not sure I like this Sino turnaround on Calix. I could of sworn he townread her after she dropped her vote on him and is now scumreading her for voting him again?

I'll go re-read Sino again. BRB

Agreed.

I noted his original vote/ unvote oddity in my Sino/ DW observations post. I think it's #508? Somewhere around there.

[Mesk514]

Let make things very simplified for everybody.
I am a citizen! Every scum read on me is a forced attempt to justify a shit lynch (let's prove a point) & obviously there's ones that are just pushing because it will benefit them in the long run.

Point is, I haven't thrown my vote everywhere & I'm pretty sure the only person to defend me is unknown so unless you're all Implying I'm scum with him then that's fine.

Also I would like to take this time to say that I really feel like sino wants to stick his dick in me. Every other word is Mesk... talk albout fixation.

BTW if it comes down to a policy lynch, I promise to be x10 more autistic next time... so much for proving a point eh

[Sino]

The fact that I don't know where Sino stands on anything is annoying.

I'll go through the game and post some reads a bit later.

Because he is OMGUSMASTER8000 who doesn't know how to fabricate reads since it's his first scum game

If you're actually town, your way of scumhunting is just :

-pick the player who has the worst play this game
-convince yourself they're scum
-read everything they do as scummy

Yeah my play has been bad, but town is never defensive and never OMGUSES, amirite ?

[Unknown1234]

My issue with his train is that his reaction to me at the beginning felt similar to how he acted when I pushed him in Fringe. Although, he seems a bit more aggressive this game.

My thoughts were that he could be TPR or PLEB Leader, and that him attacking people voting him is due to him not understanding others votes. Sad I had to say this.

[SuperJack]

To clarify these things because people seem confused.

1.) Mesk has been pressured before, and never does anything different (hiding behind an anon account makes no difference, so lynching her is basically lynching a blank slot).

2.) Sad to say it, but Sino's play is really bad but doesn't appear to be scummy more and more as I read into him.

3.) SuperJack, DW got converted n1 so he wasn't scum at that point.

4.) Secondpassing in no way has seemed anything other than scummy so people defending them (Yzb) should really explain why they don't think he's scummy.

5.) prob have more to say later.

DWs play today is relative similar to his d2 player on MW3.
Which is the night after he converted.

[Unknown1234]

Let make things very simplified for everybody.
I am a citizen! Every scum read on me is a forced attempt to justify a shit lynch (let's prove a point) & obviously there's ones that are just pushing because it will benefit them in the long run.

Point is, I haven't thrown my vote everywhere & I'm pretty sure the only person to defend me is unknown so unless you're all Implying I'm scum with him then that's fine.

Also I would like to take this time to say that I really feel like sino wants to stick his dick in me. Every other word is Mesk... talk albout fixation.

BTW if it comes down to a policy lynch, I promise to be x10 more autistic next time... so much for proving a point eh

We need to be scum together sometime.

[Mesk514]

By the way... pretty sure last time I rolled scum I didn't even claim citizen. Every time I claimed citizen I was a citizen or a tpr

[Unknown1234]

DWs play today is relative similar to his d2 player on MW3.
Which is the night after he converted.

I need examples because I don't see a connection.

[Unknown1234]

Actually, I still scum-read Deathworlds so maybe I will re-read day 2 myself.

[Mesk514]

We need to be scum together sometime.

We are scum together...




^^^ haters will say it's a throw
Smart people will say I'm not scum with you

[Unknown1234]

We are scum together...




^^^ haters will say it's a throw
Smart people will say I'm not scum with you

Musta read my rolecard wrong. MB.

[Calix]

My issue with his train is that his reaction to me at the beginning felt similar to how he acted when I pushed him in Fringe. Although, he seems a bit more aggressive this game.

My thoughts were that he could be TPR or PLEB Leader, and that him attacking people voting him is due to him not understanding others votes. Sad I had to say this.

I really disagree that he is acting similarly to Fringe. Granted I only skimmed that game but he is overwhelmingly scummy.

Even SECONDPASSING - AKA one of the scummiest players on this site - is slightly more townie.

I'm pretty sure he was a Doctor (some kind of important TPR anyway) in Mafia Wars II and he wasn't like this at all.

[Mesk514]

You still didn't tell us why Mesk gets a free no participation pass.

Because unlike your dumbass, people can read me for who I am as opposed to having to dig.
I'm pretty damn straight to the point.

I think all those long talks on Skype with unknown really payed off ;) he knows me like the back of his hand....

[Mesk514]

also, im pretty sure Calix has dealt with me enough to know wassup. while i may be annoying, if you pay me no mind, im pretty damn harmless considering i won't be triggered into an autism attack

[secondpassing]

Let make things very simplified for everybody.
I am a citizen! Every scum read on me is a forced attempt to justify a shit lynch (let's prove a point) & obviously there's ones that are just pushing because it will benefit them in the long run.

Point is, I haven't thrown my vote everywhere & I'm pretty sure the only person to defend me is unknown so unless you're all Implying I'm scum with him then that's fine.

Also I would like to take this time to say that I really feel like sino wants to stick his dick in me. Every other word is Mesk... talk albout fixation.

BTW if it comes down to a policy lynch, I promise to be x10 more autistic next time... so much for proving a point eh

1. So do you read those pushing your lynch as town? How is your lynch bad?

2. Then where are you going to throw your vote? Last time I asked, it was (perhaps) at an unreasonable time, now the day is half over. Surely, you have opinions made on players' alignments.

[Sino]

I'm pretty sure he was a Doctor (some kind of important TPR anyway) in Mafia Wars II and he wasn't like this at all.

I'm calling bullshit on this part because you haven't talked to me in several months. You don't 'know' what I'm like now and anyone trying to meta-read based on MW2 me needs to pick up a Darwin Award.

Nothing else to add.

[yzb25]

Also I just realised that you said that you'd start voting scum-reads at EOD...

WHY? That's likely to lead to CFDs which are the worst thing town can do in this save.

What's a CFD?

[Calix]

Nothing else to add.

I don't understand what your point is. I have read games that you were in while I was off. You have not talked to me in that same period. Anyone who can add 2 + 2 would figure that one out.

[Calix]

What's a CFD?

Chinese Fire Drill, where people rapidly switch trains at the end of the day.

[Mesk514]

1. So do you read those pushing your lynch as town? How is your lynch bad?

2. Then where are you going to throw your vote? Last time I asked, it was (perhaps) at an unreasonable time, now the day is half over. Surely, you have opinions made on players' alignments.

considering the second passing train was huge and second passing is voting me.... im not really caring for my train cause it's obviously ridiculous.... you have second passing who was being read as scummy by top tier people and then a wild mesk gets voted because: mesk is shit, she claimed citizen, she doesn't participate, she's not a virgin and she may be able to help me with my needs


RLVG can kiss my fat ass


and uh, if im gonna vote someone, it's gonna be DW, i said it yesterday and I agree with SuperJack, DW's play is a little odd

[Sino]

I don't understand what your point is. I have read games that you were in while I was off. You have not talked to me in that same period. Anyone who can add 2 + 2 would figure that one out.

You just said you skimmed over Fringe and using Lazy as a reference is just terrible, this game is just twice as populated, and unlike Lazy, you actually made a case against me, not the same context.

[Mesk514]

pretty sure if i sent nudes to every male in the FM community i would never be scum read again

[Calix]

considering the second passing train was huge and second passing is voting me.... im not really caring for my train cause it's obviously ridiculous.... you have second passing who was being read as scummy by top tier people and then a wild mesk gets voted because: mesk is shit, she claimed citizen, she doesn't participate, she's not a virgin and she may be able to help me with my needs


RLVG can kiss my fat ass


and uh, if im gonna vote someone, it's gonna be DW, i said it yesterday and I agree with SuperJack, DW's play is a little odd

Are you scum-reading anyone else? (or finding anyone odd, suspicious, unusual, etc etc)

You just said you skimmed over Fringe and using Lazy as a reference is just terrible, this game is just twice as populated, and unlike Lazy, you actually made a case against me, not the same context.

Your only purpose with this post is to attack the evidence that I'm using against you. Boring.

[Calix]

pretty sure if i sent nudes to every male in the FM community i would never be scum read again

You should send me one for good measure in case I'm a Guy In Real Life

[Mesk514]

Are you scum-reading anyone else? (or finding anyone odd, suspicious, unusual, etc etc)

really wouldn't surprise me if both people remaining on the secondpassing train are scum.
im gonna place my money that secondpassing is town and just a dumbass

[secondpassing]

What gives you the impression that Unknown/ ika is TvS?

I disagree with this assessment. [Mesk] is more open with her claim than scum would be.

Thinking back on it, I shouldn't have said that ika/Unknown is T+S. My mind decided to go on a short run outside while I wrote that sentence.

Given that Mesk claims citizen every game as both town and as scum, how is her claim alignment indicative?

[secondpassing]

really wouldn't surprise me if both people remaining on the secondpassing train are scum.
im gonna place my money that secondpassing is town and just a dumbass

):

[Calix]

):

It's true. When I was scum, I didn't have to fabricate a single thing when attacking you

If you are actually town then I will have words for you post-game, lol.

[secondpassing]

I felt my current vote was more of a combination of Tone and Meta. Not just Meta alone.

My read on SuperJack has also swapped to town. This is not a post I think SuperJack as scum would do.

[RLVG]

Let make things very simplified for everybody.
I am a citizen! Every scum read on me is a forced attempt to justify a shit lynch (let's prove a point) & obviously there's ones that are just pushing because it will benefit them in the long run.

Can you elaborate on this? If I'm reading right, you claim a Citizen, and you're saying that a scum read on you is to push you to benefit them in the long run?
How?
What can we get, outside of a regular Citizen claim? I feel like this is a sort of subtle freudian slip that there's more to share.

Of course, maybe it's a trap and I'm falling right into it by being one to push you with this, lol.

Every time I claimed citizen I was a citizen or a tpr

Way to discredit yourself.



Mesk is playing some behind-scenes WIFOM.

[secondpassing]

Mesk is Null until she contributes something other than the exact same thing she posts everygame. I don't see how people scumread her unless they just want her lynched for her play.

People are using the terrible reasoning of "her claim is forced and acting like her meta" which is really disappointing to read.

I don't actually scum read her, but I don't really have a strong opinion on who is scum. Definitely don't town read her.

Like deathworlds could be scum, but I'm not sure how much I trust my own evaluation of him being fake— but was it forced, was it a combination of forced and genuine?
I could see a world where RLVG and SilverWolf could be scum, but there is no evidence for this.
ika??? Maybe? I don't have a read on this guy.
yzb maybe?
On Calix, I'm probably just wondering why she isn't thinking the same way as me. Which, if true is a mistake.

The fact that I don't know where Sino stands on anything is annoying.

He himself likely does not know. I find this town indicative. (in real life he probably is constantly stuck by indecision)

[secondpassing]

Sino, I know I was/am your counter-train, but you're confusing them with your lack of read on me.
From the people you address, I take it you town read me?

[Sino]

He himself likely does not know. I find this town indicative. (in real life he probably is constantly stuck by indecision)

Lol, secondpassing, mafia philosopher

[Sino]

Sino, I know I was/am your counter-train, but you're confusing them with your lack of read on me.
From the people you address, I take it you town read me?

Well, you are making some valid points and i see your play here as the same as it was in WoM, but i'm paranoid of you trying to buddy me.

I'm town leaning on you atm, for my scum leans, i don't have that much : Calix, ika and maybe RLVG.

[SilverWolf]

My read on SuperJack has also swapped to town. This is not a post I think SuperJack as scum would do.

Why? Scum could easily make a post like that. Is this a meta argument or something else?

[Calix]

Can you elaborate on this? If I'm reading right, you claim a Citizen, and you're saying that a scum read on you is to push you to benefit them in the long run?
How?
What can we get, outside of a regular Citizen claim? I feel like this is a sort of subtle freudian slip that there's more to share.

Of course, maybe it's a trap and I'm falling right into it by being one to push you with this, lol.



Way to discredit yourself.



Mesk is playing some behind-scenes WIFOM.

tl;dr: Mesk could be citizen, TPR or mafia. That's basically all WIFOM boils down to and it's not a scum tell.

Not liking RLVG for writing nothing but glorified shit-posts.

I don't actually scum read her, but I don't really have a strong opinion on who is scum. Definitely don't town read her.

Like deathworlds could be scum, but I'm not sure how much I trust my own evaluation of him being fake— but was it forced, was it a combination of forced and genuine?
I could see a world where RLVG and SilverWolf could be scum, but there is no evidence for this.
ika??? Maybe? I don't have a read on this guy.
yzb maybe?
On Calix, I'm probably just wondering why she isn't thinking the same way as me. Which, if true is a mistake.

He himself likely does not know. I find this town indicative. (in real life he probably is constantly stuck by indecision)

I've given up on explaining myself to you. We will both have to resign ourselves to scum-reading the other every single game because I don't think we're going to understand how the other person operates.

If you think Sino's indecision is personality-indicative then that would be NAI, not townie.

[Calix]

Also we're coming up to 24 hours left. Can we decide who exactly we are lynching today instead of just lurking?

Ahem, SJ, Unknown, SP and all invisible people

[Mesk514]

Can you elaborate on this? If I'm reading right, you claim a Citizen, and you're saying that a scum read on you is to push you to benefit them in the long run?
How?
What can we get, outside of a regular Citizen claim? I feel like this is a sort of subtle freudian slip that there's more to share.

Of course, maybe it's a trap and I'm falling right into it by being one to push you with this, lol.



Way to discredit yourself.



Mesk is playing some behind-scenes WIFOM.

Uh I think it's pretty self explanatory that if you're scum you're trying to have the town lynched... I also may be an autist but I've only once made the wrong choice at a crucial moment in game and that was the beginners game

[yzb25]

I just finished reading up.

Spoiler : Some of the thoughts I had :

Yes, I am using meta after criticising others for using it and it's not even good meta.

Suck it, Sino and RLVG

You're dodging criticism by coasting on raw charisma, rather than actually countering the criticism or accepting it and giving an explanation for how you ended up hypocrite-ing.

Typically I don't give a shit about hypocrisy in this game because everyone is constantly contradicting themselves n shit, but your play this game has been rigorous af. You even voted Sino over a "contradiction". So when you shamelessly say "oops I did a dumb oh wellz :3", it feels off.

And this was quite a big contradiction. You completely discredit outdated meta reads then use an outdated meta read.

Not gonna lie here, my read list was awful, I just shat them out after calix told me to do some sort of reads list.

At least I own up to it, unlike secondpassing here.

Bro, you can give really good thoughts as town when you're not tunneling and you're not doing the meme-status slipreads. If you're actually town pls don't waste your potential lol.

I get the feeling you've got deeper thoughts but you're hesitant to share. Just put yourself out there man :3

@yzb25 pinging you so that you read this before anything else.
Please look into deathworlds for me. Thanks a bunch. Please be town.

Oh god, if you're town you've chosen the worst possible person to send your SOS call to.

That seriously cannot be all you have to say after catching up on the chat.

All you're doing with this post is trying to downplay a town-read of mine.

You're not even scum-reading her so you're not doing this to persuade me of anything.

Your sole intention with this post seems to be "make Calix doubt her town-read on Mesk" so I'm not going to elaborate.

I didn't like your Mesk townread either. Especially after you made that post of "would scum do X? Of course they would, for WIFOM."

If there is anyone who would act like that for WIFOM, it's Mesk. You must be familiar with her play even if you've only played like 1/2 games with her.

Ika and SW's interaction with one another seems incredibly fake it's almost funny. They both vote each other and both Town-read each other. They also both want to interact with each other and neither have done this effectively.

They know eachother really well, so theoretically they should be having far less lukewarm responses to one another. It's in our interests to encourage them to interact with one another.

Since when was Mesk a great manipulator? Sure push her for reads but don't make out she is professional scum.

I guess I'm the only one who played Survivor with her. Lol.

Anyway, pls collect up your reasons on scumreading Mattzed and present them in a blunt post. It's difficult to assess how good your case is if your case is scattered all over the game.

yzb-When you are caught up please give your read on secondpassing. You've basically defended him like he's a townread while at the same time saying he's not town to you. I don't like your reasoning for not liking my comment on secondpassing, I didn't throw down a vote there like others or get pissed like others, so your read on that post is bad and it pings me

pedit: yzb, I am doing more than just giving reads. And what about them is fake to you?

That's not the original point - I wasn't scumreading the post because it was the most extreme response to SP, I scumread it because it seemed like you were trying to join the circlejerk for brownie points. Whether you or others placed a vote is irrelevant to the read.

I want to talk to SP before I make my mind up.

"pedit:" - Again, that's not the original point. I was saying those reads are null because I believe you could fabricate them. I don't scumread your reads. I scumread you for your response to the SP train.

NGL though, these reads are towny. It's denting my scumread on you. Maybe you really were just feeling bloodthirsty lol.

I'm still comfortable lynching you tho.
______

#508 by Calix might be a really good post that makes me townread her, but I can't be bothered after 4h of reading and writing. I'll get back to it... Ngh

Also, while I think lynch-training Mesk is ridiculous right now, throwing her in the town basket is dumb too. We need to press her for comments on the game or she will remain unreadable.

I'm gonna clear my head, attack that Calix post, then post a BRIEF readwall.

[yzb25]

@secondpassing

I wanna know how you feel about this train on you. Do you care if you're lynched? Do you care about this game? You're acting kinda detached this game, in a way you're not usually.

If you're town, this attitude is really fucking us over man, and you're gonna cause a d1 mislynch.

[SuperJack]

Well Mesk isn't getting lynched today so anyone voting Mesk should place their votes elsewhere.

I would like more pressure on DW, since there seem to be quite a few un-easy feelings around him from multiple people. Garning pressure on him to kick him into action for when he turns up.

[Calix]

You're dodging criticism by coasting on raw charisma, rather than actually countering the criticism or accepting it and giving an explanation for how you ended up hypocrite-ing.

I don't have to. I can link to town games where I was a raving hypocrite. It's NAI. If anything, it's actually a town tell for me because I give more fucks about how I look as scum. But this is WIFOM because I'm self-aware...thus making it NAI ;)

Bro, you can give really good thoughts as town when you're not tunneling and you're not doing the meme-status slipreads. If you're actually town pls don't waste your potential lol.

I get the feeling you've got deeper thoughts but you're hesitant to share. Just put yourself out there man :3

Eww coaching the scumfuck DW.

That's not the original point - I wasn't scumreading the post because it was the most extreme response to SP, I scumread it because it seemed like you were trying to join the circlejerk for brownie points. Whether you or others placed a vote is irrelevant to the read.

I want to talk to SP before I make my mind up.

"pedit:" - Again, that's not the original point. I was saying those reads are null because I believe you could fabricate them. I don't scumread your reads. I scumread you for your response to the SP train.

NGL though, these reads are towny. It's denting my scumread on you. Maybe you really were just feeling bloodthirsty lol.

I'm still comfortable lynching you tho.

Your SW scum-read is shit. You're only focused on her because "I think you could fabricate your reads" AKA you're fear-reading her as scum because of perceived competency.

Your post is shit. You tell people "oh you two need to interact more" and what have you BUT YOU DO NOTHING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

I also have no further insight into your reads other than "Calix is a hypocrite" and "SW is still scum guise but maybe not"