The problem with shitposting

[Sino]

This issue can't be ignored any longer.

Excessive shitposting really tends to ruin a lot of games here, making days (mostly D1) almost unreadable and destroys some player's motivation to play, severely dropping this site's quality at the same time.

This site has plenty of examples of games with a lot of shitposting and some without, just look at the difference.

When some players sign in games with no intention to play whatsoever, shitpost all the way through d1 and need to be policy lynched, that shows there's a big problem with the entire site, why do such players get a free pass everytime ?

I also don't think having hosts adding rules against it and modkilling shitposters wouldn't make that much of a difference in the long run, this needs to be dealt with by the staff.

We also had cases of players seeing their mistake and improving, so why doesn't the FM staff, for example, PM the known shitposters at first to just discuss about it, and if this doesn't help, take action against it, like ban them for future signups ?

[Gyrlander]

As Calix said on Masquerade Madness, the problem is that we have a low playerbase and we can't afford banning players from joining games.

I recommend an advertisement campaign!!

[Sino]

As Calix said on Masquerade Madness, the problem is that we have a low playerbase and we can't afford banning players from joining games.

I recommend an advertisement campaign!!

Yeah, i know, but by letting them run free, we are kinda banning the good players instead, as they lose all motivation to play, in the end it's just a matter of which players we want to keep, the shitposters or the good ones ?

[Never Unlucky]

How does shitposting "[make] days (mostly D1) almost unreadable and [destroy] some player's motivation to play, severely dropping this site's quality at the same time"?

I can understand the problem you have with players who solely shitpost -- and thus make no serious contribution to the game, but I think shitposting in and of itself is not a problem. We are not robots, we don't have to be serious all the time. I find games with little shitposting to be not entertaining and games with a good ratio of banter & jokes/serious posts to be much more fun to read and play in.

Also, I don't understand this: "shitpost all the way through d1 and need to be policy lynched, that shows there's a big problem with the entire site, why do such players get a free pass everytime ?" Do they get PLed or do they get a free pass?

[Sino]

How does shitposting "[make] days (mostly D1) almost unreadable and [destroy] some player's motivation to play, severely dropping this site's quality at the same time"?

Good players won't be willing to sign in games where some players won't contribute at all, when you potentially have 3+ pages of only shitposting in a single day, i really don't see how it's fun to read it, or trying to get the shitposter to actually contribute.

I can understand the problem you have with players who solely shitpost -- and thus make no serious contribution to the game, but I think shitposting in and of itself is not a problem. We are not robots, we don't have to be serious all the time. I find games with little shitposting to be not entertaining and games with a good ratio of banter & jokes/serious posts to be much more fun to read and play in.

Of course, as long as players also contribute to the game, there's nothing wrong with some shitposting, some times however, some slots only shitpost and don't contribute at all.

Also, I don't understand this: "shitpost all the way through d1 and need to be policy lynched, that shows there's a big problem with the entire site, why do such players get a free pass everytime ?" Do they get PLed or do they get a free pass?

I meant a free pass to sign in any game they want.

[SilverWolf]

Hey-I posted a post under Empathy so mods if you see it-that's me.

I'll try to repost.

When ika and I left this site, it was due to the toxicity that was so bad at the time, we found it impossible to enjoy ourselves here. I hate when people sign up for a game and don't play. Some joking around is fine and makes the game fun but it's when people do nothing but troll/shitpost or do nothing but lurk or make comments that do nothing for the game where it's a problem. I'm not saying I'm a great player but I do put effort into games and I feel like it's a waste if the game is dead due to lurkers/trolls/toxicity.

So my solution is to PL them. Do it every time they act that way in the game and say they are scum or anti-town and need to die.

[Sino]

So my solution is to PL them. Do it every time they act that way in the game and say they are scum or anti-town and need to die.

I agree with the logic behind the PL, but to me, if there is a PL, that just means the host (and maybe even the staff) failed their duty towards their players, which is to provide the best playing environment possible.

[Mesk514]

Honestly, if you have a problem... why don't you just leave? Calix & NU never made it a big deal, they never had severe autism attacks over it... they just left....

[Mesk514]

Or better yet Sino, you should apply for FM staff. Take matters into your own hands.

[Sino]

Honestly, if you have a problem... why don't you just leave? Calix & NU never made it a big deal, they never had severe autism attacks over it... they just left....

Lol, you're just proving my point with this post.

You know the fun thing i noticed ? You actually play the game when you're on an anon account, so why don't you do it every time ?

[Mesk514]

Lol, you're just proving my point with this post.

You know the fun thing i noticed ? You actually play the game when you're on an anon account, so why don't you do it every time ?

That's a splendid idea... while we are at it, we could also let pigs fly && you can lick my clit :')

&& btw I think M-FM Fringe disproves your point

[Sino]

&& btw I think M-FM Fringe disproves your point

How ?

[Mesk514]

How ?

Lol I'm not even going to explain this.

[Sino]

Yeah, you got lynched d1, big deal, that happens to everyone.

Masquerade Madness proves my point.

[Mesk514]

Yeah, you got lynched d1, big deal, that happens to everyone.

Masquerade Madness proves my point.

.... I got lynched cause I didn't do anything.... DUUUUH

honestly I play properly when im not a citizen. If I'm a citizen I will use my right to free speech and power to vote.

[Sino]

.... I got lynched cause I didn't do anything.... DUUUUH

honestly I play properly when im not a citizen. If I'm a citizen I will use my right to free speech and power to vote.

You're also expected to contribute to the chat, regardless of your role, scumhunting isn't that hard.

[Mesk514]

You're also expected to contribute to the chat, regardless of your role, scumhunting isn't that hard.

Getting laid isn't that hard either, I guess it's just a matter of opinion and experiences.

[PowersThatBe]

Clean up on aisle 12. Sino's tears have caused a flood.

In all seriousness -- fm is a game and a game should be fun. The problem is you youngin's only care about winning. Life isn't about winning it's about having fun and doing good!

Nu and calix left for more than just shit posting I assume -- considering nu basically said shit posting is fine. If you want to solve a game by page 5 to you are delusional or no fun. I was glad I was mislynched in MM Bc it actually gave sk a shot -- who knows if I actually pulled posts and stuff game would have been over and it would have been disappointing imo.

And look number 1 "shit poster" that game easily figured out the scum d1. I think if You punish people for treating the game like a game...then it won't matter who you have left bc everything will be so cutthroat and toxic you'll lose players that way too.

[Mesk514]

Like the mod, you can't punish stupid

[Gyrlander]

Clean up on aisle 12. Sino's tears have caused a flood.

In all seriousness -- fm is a game and a game should be fun. The problem is you youngin's only care about winning. Life isn't about winning it's about having fun and doing good!

Nu and calix left for more than just shit posting I assume -- considering nu basically said shit posting is fine. If you want to solve a game by page 5 to you are delusional or no fun. I was glad I was mislynched in MM Bc it actually gave sk a shot -- who knows if I actually pulled posts and stuff game would have been over and it would have been disappointing imo.

And look number 1 "shit poster" that game easily figured out the scum d1. I think if You punish people for treating the game like a game...then it won't matter who you have left bc everything will be so cutthroat and toxic you'll lose players that way too.

You could save the "Sino's Tears" part. He's just sharing his worries about the site dissapearing. I am quite worried as well and I don't think any other mafia site would be the same as this one.

[PowersThatBe]

You could save the "Sino's Tears" part. He's just sharing his worries about the site dissapearing. I am quite worried as well and I don't think any other mafia site would be the same as this one.

Then pull people from other mafia sites. Sc2 is dying gotta try to get others

[Sino]

Clean up on aisle 12. Sino's tears have caused a flood.

In all seriousness -- fm is a game and a game should be fun. The problem is you youngin's only care about winning. Life isn't about winning it's about having fun and doing good!

Nu and calix left for more than just shit posting I assume -- considering nu basically said shit posting is fine. If you want to solve a game by page 5 to you are delusional or no fun. I was glad I was mislynched in MM Bc it actually gave sk a shot -- who knows if I actually pulled posts and stuff game would have been over and it would have been disappointing imo.

No, i want people to play the games they're signing in, i don't care about winning or not, when someone only shitposts during an entire game, it's just not fun to play anymore.

And look number 1 "shit poster" that game easily figured out the scum d1. I think if You punish people for treating the game like a game...then it won't matter who you have left bc everything will be so cutthroat and toxic you'll lose players that way too.

Why do you think you're the number 1 shit poster ? That's not the case.

[PowersThatBe]

No, i want people to play the games they're signing in, i don't care about winning or not, when someone only shitposts during an entire game, it's just not fun to play anymore.



Why do you think you're the number 1 shit poster ? That's not the case.

You have a reading comprehension problem -- in mm I was considered shit posting bc I wrote in verse and wrote poems. Everyone else posted straightforward so I was #1 shit poster THAT game.


I think your concerns are largely overblown. Every game I'm in it's me and fb that shit post for a little then completely scum hunt after

[Gyrlander]

Then pull people from other mafia sites. Sc2 is dying gotta try to get others

Easier said than done.

[Sino]

You have a reading comprehension problem -- in mm I was considered shit posting bc I wrote in verse and wrote poems. Everyone else posted straightforward so I was #1 shit poster THAT game.


I think your concerns are largely overblown. Every game I'm in it's me and fb that shit post for a little then completely scum hunt after

MM was a good game with very little shitposting, that's my point, now look at Spirits and tell me where Mesk actually played the game, that's what i mean by excessive shitposting.

If you feel like my concerns are overblown, show me where Mesk actually scumhunted, preferably on her main account.

[PowersThatBe]

Easier said than done.

Easier to say it's hard w/o trying too.

[Sino]

Easier to say it's hard w/o trying too.

Btw, instead of pulling people from other sites, i'm trying to improve the site's overall quality here, that might get us players back.

[PowersThatBe]

MM was a good game with very little shitposting, that's my point, now look at Spirits and tell me where Mesk actually played the game, that's what i mean by excessive shitposting.

If you feel like my concerns are overblown, show me where Mesk actually scumhunted, preferably on her main account.

I was accused of shit posting that game that's why I put it in quotations.

I give everyone a pass for spirits -- it was right before thanksgiving and she said she was traveling a lot. She town read me and gave me her vote giving me the power of voting for two people. Which was great with a plurality voting system. Mesk is always active in every other game I've played with her

[Gyrlander]

Easier to say it's hard w/o trying too.

User are not the people in charge of making sure the forum doesn't die.

[PowersThatBe]

Btw, instead of pulling people from other sites, i'm trying to improve the site's overall quality here, that might get us players back.

But you need people to be able to kick other people out. So to improve it you need more bodies and if you get better quality people that then helps to improve the site. Trying to do it now with few people won't help.

You'll attract good people if you pitch the sites uniqueness and player base and just be honest and tell people you need quality people to be able to raise the standards of the site and get rid of the undesirables.

[PowersThatBe]

User are not the people in charge of making sure the forum doesn't die.

Everyone is responsible for this community -- that's what makes it a community. Don't complain if you won't do anything and you think it's just the mods job. It's not.

[Cryptonic]

Everyone is responsible for this community -- that's what makes it a community.

Beautiful statement.

[Sino]

Mesk is always active in every other game I've played with her

Yeah, actively shitposting, that's what i'm trying to point out here.

But you need people to be able to kick other people out. So to improve it you need more bodies and if you get better quality people that then helps to improve the site. Trying to do it now with view people won't help.

You'll attract good people if you pitch the sites uniqueness and player base and just be honest and tell people you need quality people to be able to raise the standards of the site and get rid of the undesirables.

I do think this community has enough good players, they just stop playing one after another for a lot of different reasons, we might at least do something about the ones we can have an influence on.

[Quick]

Hey-I posted a post under Empathy so mods if you see it-that's me.

I'll try to repost.

When ika and I left this site, it was due to the toxicity that was so bad at the time, we found it impossible to enjoy ourselves here. I hate when people sign up for a game and don't play. Some joking around is fine and makes the game fun but it's when people do nothing but troll/shitpost or do nothing but lurk or make comments that do nothing for the game where it's a problem. I'm not saying I'm a great player but I do put effort into games and I feel like it's a waste if the game is dead due to lurkers/trolls/toxicity.

So my solution is to PL them. Do it every time they act that way in the game and say they are scum or anti-town and need to die.

I can't agree with this more. The only diff I have is that I would actually make it clear that it is in fact a PL and make them deal with the consequences. This allows them to change how they play if they don't want to get lynched day 1 every game.

[Cancer]

Everything dies. Sc2mafia has its time to appreciate life and then it will cease to exist and all that will be left is a memory of it.

If the site never dies then the sites life has no meaning.

[BananaCucho]

Policy lynching Grylander may have lost town Wheels on the Bus but he has improved his play since then. <3 We're even friends now

I will continue to fight the good fight and policy lynch scrubs until they improve their act.

That's being said don't worry about he site dying. Nothing can prevent that. Everything dies. The site has its fleeting moment of existence and eventually will cease to exist and all that will be left is its memory <3 appreciate its life and try to improve the quality of it by playing with honor and encouraging others to do so

But if it never dies its life was meaningless. Its a beautiful thing.

[Cryptonic]

I'd suggest something like a d1 majority replace vote, but all that would accomplish would be destroying d1 communication. It would become solely about that vote if someone is being inactive/an asshole. Nothing would be accomplished d1.

[Sino]

I'd suggest something like a d1 majority replace vote, but all that would accomplish would be destroying d1 communication. It would become solely about that vote if someone is being inactive/an asshole. Nothing would be accomplished d1.

That's why i was suggesting for the staff to PM the shitposters about it, solve the issue out of a game.

[BananaCucho]

I'd suggest something like a d1 majority replace vote, but all that would accomplish would be destroying d1 communication. It would become solely about that vote if someone is being inactive/an asshole. Nothing would be accomplished d1.

What we need is a community consensus of what is expected in mafia and if you cross that line you'll be punished for it.

You're signing a game with 0 intention to play? The community is going to lynch you day 1. With that sort of threat hanging over every day 1 but not necessarily always enforced (if everyone is playing its not needed) I think could go a long way.

The only problem is if people start making it something its not. You can't punish poor play for example. If a newbie like Arrow was in Spirits is just lost you need to give him help, tips on how to improve, etc. His name was being thrown around for PL for "not contributing enough" when he was just lost.

It must be solely used for players who sign to troll or socialize or whatever but never actually play.

The list of players that do this is actually very small. On average most players try to game solve or scumhunt or town hunt or slip hunt or interact with people or reaction test or do whatever they think is best to sort things and try to win. Its a very small population of players that bring the game quality down IMO.

[Sino]

What we need is a community consensus of what is expected in mafia and if you cross that line you'll be punished for it.

You're signing a game with 0 intention to play? The community is going to lynch you day 1. With that sort of threat hanging over every day 1 but not necessarily always enforced (if everyone is playing its not needed) I think could go a long way.

The only problem is if people start making it something its not. You can't punish poor play for example. If a newbie like Arrow was in Spirits is just lost you need to give him help, tips on how to improve, etc. His name was being thrown around for PL for "not contributing enough" when he was just lost.

It must be solely used for players who sign to troll or socialize or whatever but never actually play.

The list of players that do this is actually very small. On average most players try to game solve or scumhunt or town hunt or slip hunt or interact with people or reaction test or do whatever they think is best to sort things and try to win. Its a very small population of players that bring the game quality down IMO.

I couldn't agree more.

[Mesk514]

Yeah, actively shitposting, that's what i'm trying to point out here.

Hey Sino,
If you're so concerned about my play why don't you join a game and policy lynch me. If not shut your fucking mouth and don't talk about my play

[Mesk514]

Even better idea, lets all just have autism attacks over the people we don't like in game to prove a point about how things aren't acceptable. Because clearly thats how we solve problems...

Oh let's also shit talk everyones plays to create more salt.

I'm a genius.

Instead of fucking off LETS JUST ALL DEVELOP AUTISM AND SPILL THE SALT

[Quick]

I was just in a conversation on my home site about how there, fun comes first and the game comes second. Here I wouldn't say fun comes first. I would say this site is more about nobody can tell you you are wrong comes first and the game comes second.

[Cancer]

#Triggered

[Sino]

Hey Sino,
If you're so concerned about my play why don't you join a game and policy lynch me. If not shut your fucking mouth and don't talk about my play

I know you wouldn't give a fuck about being policy lynched anyways.

[Mesk514]

by the way Sino, when was the last time you played in a game? you seem to be throwing out a lot of shots at people // suggestions for someone who hasn't played in a S-FM in god knows how long.

Now i know what you're gonna say, I don't play cause of the Toxicity... well then, use that brain and go to another site.

Can someone please link me to Calix's statement about toxicity?
Can someone please link me to Never Unluckys shpeel about how this site is Toxic?

Ika, SilverWolf, can i see yours?

See the thing is you think it's okay to comment on other peoples play when you haven't even played the game in, as i said, god knows how long. & On top of that you have no problem mentioning names and such, so that turns this thread into a shit talking discussion, so please allow me to shit on you.

you're a shit player.
Don't blame your shittyness on others shit posting.

[Sino]

by the way Sino, when was the last time you played in a game? you seem to be throwing out a lot of shots at people // suggestions for someone who hasn't played in a S-FM in god knows how long.

Now i know what you're gonna say, I don't play cause of the Toxicity... well then, use that brain and go to another site.

Can someone please link me to Calix's statement about toxicity?
Can someone please link me to Never Unluckys shpeel about how this site is Toxic?

Ika, SilverWolf, can i see yours?

See the thing is you think it's okay to comment on other peoples play when you haven't even played the game in, as i said, god knows how long. & On top of that you have no problem mentioning names and such, so that turns this thread into a shit talking discussion, so please allow me to shit on you.

you're a shit player.
Don't blame your shittyness on others shit posting.

My last game was Fringe, and yep, i might be a shitty player, but at least i'm a player =)

[BananaCucho]

#Triggered

[Mesk514]

My last game was Fringe, and yep, i might be a shitty player, but at least i'm a player =)

Okay so what am I? a fucking turtle? You're like a fucking brick wall.

You do realize that if you genuinely meant to suggest something // try to better help the way things work you would be posting in Answer Hall as opposed to leaving it to an open end topic conversation where you throw names left and right like you've had to first hand have to deal with it.

Banana and I had a following out, she thinks im shit, she thinks half this site is shit (am i right or am i right?) you don't see her making public threads about it, she just doesn't sign with toxic players. Be like Banana. Not an asshat.

[Sino]

Okay so what am I? a fucking turtle? You're like a fucking brick wall.

You do realize that if you genuinely meant to suggest something // try to better help the way things work you would be posting in Answer Hall as opposed to leaving it to an open end topic conversation where you throw names left and right like you've had to first hand have to deal with it.

Banana and I had a following out, she thinks im shit, she thinks half this site is shit (am i right or am i right?) you don't see her making public threads about it, she just doesn't sign with toxic players. Be like Banana. Not an asshat.

The point of a forum is also having us all talk about problems, so yes, i will probably end up posting in the answer hall, but i first wanted everyone's opinion about this.