S-FM 208: Black Flag Nightless

[deathworlds]

Arrrrgh, this be the first shanty of a simple, simple, forum mafia game. I be speakin' in my "best" pirate speak for this sea shanty.

There be some traitors aboard, these traitors ain't your mateys, and those scallywags want to steal your booty.

THEY BEST BE WALKIN' THE PLANK, AN' NO ONE RESTS UNTIL WE FIND THEM.

Pirates Aboard (living players):
1. Calix
2. DarknessB
3. Eggy
4. Iced_Monopoly
5. Mesk514
6. Never Unlucky
7. Sprunace
8. TheDarkestLight
9. Unknown1234
10. secondpassing

Pirates with Scurvy (reserves):
1. Kovath
2. MattZed

There are two types of pirates you scallywags (role list):
Goon
Goon
Goon
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Day 2
Day 3

Wes be needing more than half the crew to decide on a swashbuckler to walk the plank. But we will make someone walk anyways if we can't decide. (6 votes to hammer. Or most votes by end of day)

One of you scallywags will be walking the plank when the sun is going down for 3 hours, 2 days from now (August 12, 4 PM, PDT)

[deathworlds]

Game has now begun, I was bored and tired of waiting.

[Iced_Monopoly]

-vote secondpassing

Im going to be leaving in a few mins for atleast the next 4 hours, so this seems as good a place as any to begin.

[Calix]

-vote TheDarkestLight

I see you

[TheDarkestLight]

-vote TheDarkestLight

I see you

You see, I'm secretly John Cena, so you can't see me.

That means you are lying about seeing me, and are obv scum. GG pleb. Get good.

[Calix]

You see, I'm secretly John Cena, so you can't see me.

That means you are lying about seeing me, and are obv scum. GG pleb. Get good.

Fucking meme pleb.

Thoughts on the setup that you've obviously read?

[TheDarkestLight]

Fucking meme pleb.

Thoughts on the setup that you've obviously read?

Yeah, I determined optimal strategy for the town is to lynch two scum while avoiding losing four town.

Not much to say about it really. ^^

[Calix]

Yeah, I determined optimal strategy for the town is to lynch two scum while avoiding losing four town.

Not much to say about it really. ^^

Brilliant

Given scum does not control a night kill, POE is clearly the way to go. I haven't crunched the numbers properly but if you have 3-4 strong town-reads then you can just lynch outside of that and win.

So yeah, looks straightforward to me.

[TheDarkestLight]

-vote Calix

Time to tunnel you mindlessly for no legitimate reason at all.

[Calix]

-vote Calix

Time to tunnel you mindlessly for no legitimate reason at all.

You make it sound like you're just going through the motions.

Defend yourself, plox.

[DarknessB]

-vote Spruance

Still feeling sick from that blow dart last game, Spruance.

[Spruance]

-vote Spruance

Still feeling sick from that blow dart last game, Spruance.

Orange juice helps with the pain.

[Calix]

From what I heard from MS/ ika, nightless games are more town-sided precisely because of town blocs that cannot be broken up.

I wouldn't recommend forcing one this early on - that rarely goes well. Just let the game play out and go from there.

[secondpassing]

Arrg.

[secondpassing]

Oh crap, thought game started in 35 minutes. I wanted to be first D:

[secondpassing]

Spoiler : Bunch of Thoughts :

Game has now begun, I was bored and tired of waiting.

That's why we're in Adventure Quest.

-vote secondpassing

Im going to be leaving in a few mins for atleast the next 4 hours, so this seems as good a place as any to begin.

It's the best place, scrub.

-vote TheDarkestLight

I see you

I have no time for games. Bweeenh.

-vote Calix

Time to tunnel you mindlessly for no legitimate reason at all.

You make it sound like you're just going through the motions.

Defend yourself, plox.

-vote Calix

Because she spelled "please" wrong.

[secondpassing]

Just realized I didn't actually finish my post lol. Also RIP Kovath.

-vote Mesk514

Probably a better vote.

[Mesk514]

Just realized I didn't actually finish my post lol. Also RIP Kovath.

-vote Mesk514

Probably a better vote.

lollolololololololol
*these are my thoughts*
*votes someone who hasn't spoken yet*

someones salty

[secondpassing]

lollolololololololol
*these are my thoughts*
*votes someone who hasn't spoken yet*

someones salty

Those thoughts basically don't even count. Anyway, I was going to ask people who they were more inclined to lynch this game, then I realized that people can just vote... and that I was already voting someone.

So. How was your day?

[Calix]

Those thoughts basically don't even count. Anyway, I was going to ask people who they were more inclined to lynch this game, then I realized that people can just vote... and that I was already voting someone.

So. How was your day?

Question. Why make a post with your thoughts if you think they 'basically don't even count'?

Rest of this post doesn't make sense.

[Mesk514]

Those thoughts basically don't even count. Anyway, I was going to ask people who they were more inclined to lynch this game, then I realized that people can just vote... and that I was already voting someone.

So. How was your day?

my day is fine. how's yours?
so basically your thoughts don't count but you vote me cause?

[DarknessB]

my day is fine. how's yours?
so basically your thoughts don't count but you vote me cause?

SP's RVS voting doesn't catch me funny in and of itself. What does catch me funny is what I flagged above -- that he first voted Calix (seemingly RVS) and then changed his vote to you, which I would have regarded as RVS as well, except his weird comment of "probably a better vote". I would like to hear more from SP about what he meant there exactly.

Also, the "thoughts don't count" comment is silly and he has to know it -- anything you say or do in an FM game is fair to examine and there doesn't seem to be much point in discounting one's own actions.

[Never Unlucky]

-vote Never Unlucky

he is always unlucky his name itself is a lie how can me trust him? Scum confirmed

He's right. How can 'me' trust him?

my day is fine. how's yours?
so basically your thoughts don't count but you vote me cause?

This is exactly the typical mod scum pre-defense. Early scum-read on Mesk.

[Never Unlucky]

Those thoughts basically don't even count.

Starts off the Politico-scum!NU way -- makes a mistake and goes back on it marginalizing and discrediting his own post.

Anyway, I was going to ask people who they were more inclined to lynch this game, then I realized that people can just vote... and that I was already voting someone.

So. How was your day?

Flagging this post for further consideration -- asking people who they'd like to see lynched before any reads has been made implies that you want to lynch players based on RNG/personal stuff rather than reads. This is odd at best and scummy at worse. I don't like it.

[secondpassing]

Awesome, I managed to stir up conversation.

Question. Why make a post with your thoughts if you think they 'basically don't even count'?

Rest of this post doesn't make sense.

I was bored and impatient. It does things to people. Also, I feel the need to post, but that is partly because I feel responsible to play this game and that it is day one. Day one needs to be moved otherwise people sit and wait and die.

This comment suggests that your vote is for more than just RVS purposes. Care to explain what you're thinking?

I have a really hard time making random votes. My first vote on Calix was due to me liking TDL's first posts and that people should be training early on.
I moved my vote to Mesk514 because I'm salty.

-vote Never Unlucky

he is always unlucky his name itself is a lie how can me trust him? Scum confirmed

This guy is salty too

[secondpassing]

Starts off the Politico-scum!NU way -- makes a mistake and goes back on it marginalizing and discrediting his own post.

I'm not NU. Oh wait, you're NU. We have similar post styles; however, I make things go. You sit back.

Flagging this post for further consideration -- asking people who they'd like to see lynched before any reads has been made implies that you want to lynch players based on RNG/personal stuff rather than reads. This is odd at best and scummy at worse. I don't like it.

I take it you're not going to participate in RVS? What is your alternative plan?
If you're going to criticize something, you should propose an alternative (strategy in this case).

[Unknown1234]

Starts off the Politico-scum!NU way -- makes a mistake and goes back on it marginalizing and discrediting his own post.



Flagging this post for further consideration -- asking people who they'd like to see lynched before any reads has been made implies that you want to lynch players based on RNG/personal stuff rather than reads. This is odd at best and scummy at worse. I don't like it.

Honestly, I don't like this post. You tried this strategy last game when you said "Unknown is playing the same way I did when I was scum in POLITICO" it's actually a poor attempt at scum-hunting by comparing others to yourself in argument with a scum-read.

[DarknessB]

lollolololololololol
*these are my thoughts*
*votes someone who hasn't spoken yet*

someones salty

Maybe I'm missing the reference (meta?) but why would Secondpassing by salty toward you?

[Mesk514]

Maybe I'm missing the reference (meta?) but why would Secondpassing by salty toward you?

last game i played with secondpassing, he seemed to feel some type of way that he subbed in and was immediately lynched...

[secondpassing]

last game i played with secondpassing, he seemed to feel some type of way that he subbed in and was immediately lynched...

Correction: Last two games I've played with secondpassing, I failed to read his posts and decided to vote him anyway.

[Unknown1234]

lollolololololololol
*these are my thoughts*
*votes someone who hasn't spoken yet*

someones salty

Reminds me of the beginner game. You have said few things and not once stated you are always town. I'm skeptical.

[Never Unlucky]

1. Calix
2. DarknessB
3. Eggy
4. Iced_Monopoly
5. Mesk514
6. Never Unlucky
7. Spruance
8. TheDarkestLight
9. Unknown1234
10. secondpassing

1. Typical Calix, nothing pinged me weird. Nothing to add.

Spoiler : ;_; :

Calix, please don't call others 'hun'. I want this to be my exclusive special name ;_;

2. Logical posts made in an attempt to scum-hunt/pressure. However, DB's tone feels distant/neutral. His posts feel objective and lack opinion IMO. He hasn't given his reads on SP with whom he's had a substantial interaction.
His tone in IC felt way more engaged -- maybe it's because Spruance had shot him, and he got salty. If not, perhaps he's being a cautious town. Either way, I'm keeping a reserve on my DB read.

3. It's purely gut. I tend to read Eggy correctly, and I do not feel like he's scum this time around from the few posts he's made. He could be trying to evade conversation with me so that I cannot read him, but I doubt this because he voted me in RVS.

4. Really disliked how he suggested a policy lynch ~6 hours into the game. As I said, that's most likely what scum would want to do this game -- lynch someone and call it a PL. I'm also questioning his motives to put me at L-2. No one on my train made a case on me, so his vote is pretty suspicious.

5. Pretty much what everyone said about her -- Didn't soft-claim, didn't claim being town.
I also pointed out that her pre-defense looked like the typical scum pre-defense. This is one of the scum-tells that never lies.

6. /

7. Purely based on meta since his posts are garbage. In Politico, a game in which he was scum, he was always acting defensive and he cared. So far he hasn't done that.

8. His latest post, in my eyes, didn't bring anything new on the table. I have the feeling that he's sheeping the leading trend.

9. LMAO XD, sorry. Really don't have a read on him yet.

10.

Spoiler : ... :

Lazy. Read my other posts.

I don't like that TDL's vote is on him.
Possibility of being a (very) stupid town?

[TheDarkestLight]

1. Calix
2. DarknessB
3. Eggy
4. Iced_Monopoly
5. Mesk514
6. Never Unlucky
7. Spruance
8. TheDarkestLight
9. Unknown1234
10. secondpassing

1. Typical Calix, nothing pinged me weird. Nothing to add.

Spoiler : ;_; :

Calix, please don't call others 'hun'. I want this to be my exclusive special name ;_;

2. Logical posts made in an attempt to scum-hunt/pressure. However, DB's tone feels distant/neutral. His posts feel objective and lack opinion IMO. He hasn't given his reads on SP with whom he's had a substantial interaction.
His tone in IC felt way more engaged -- maybe it's because Spruance had shot him, and he got salty. If not, perhaps he's being a cautious town. Either way, I'm keeping a reserve on my DB read.

3. It's purely gut. I tend to read Eggy correctly, and I do not feel like he's scum this time around from the few posts he's made. He could be trying to evade conversation with me so that I cannot read him, but I doubt this because he voted me in RVS.

4. Really disliked how he suggested a policy lynch ~6 hours into the game. As I said, that's most likely what scum would want to do this game -- lynch someone and call it a PL. I'm also questioning his motives to put me at L-2. No one on my train made a case on me, so his vote is pretty suspicious.

5. Pretty much what everyone said about her -- Didn't soft-claim, didn't claim being town.
I also pointed out that her pre-defense looked like the typical scum pre-defense. This is one of the scum-tells that never lies.

6. /

7. Purely based on meta since his posts are garbage. In Politico, a game in which he was scum, he was always acting defensive and he cared. So far he hasn't done that.

8. His latest post, in my eyes, didn't bring anything new on the table. I have the feeling that he's sheeping the leading trend.

9. LMAO XD, sorry. Really don't have a read on him yet.

10.

Spoiler : ... :

Lazy. Read my other posts.

I don't like that TDL's vote is on him.
Possibility of being a (very) stupid town?

If nothing strikes you as weird about Calix why town read her? Wouldn't Null be more accurate?

Spruance is fucking 100% town in your eyes? What? You even openly admit it to be meta.

And... I haven't added anything new? Alright then. Nice to know you are skimming.

I also like how you seem to think I'm teamed with SP. Care to explain to me how that works?

[Never Unlucky]

If nothing strikes you as weird about Calix why town read her? Wouldn't Null be more accurate?

She didn't slip, she's playing the Calix town game... Why would null be more accurate? I don't think I understand where you're coming from.

Spruance is fucking 100% town in your eyes? What? You even openly admit it to be meta.

No, of course he's not 100% town in my eyes. I read him not scum, I am not saying anyone is 100% town in my reads. He won't ever post something substantial, so the only way I had of reading him was with meta. Basically if he's not obvious scum, he's town for me.

And... I haven't added anything new? Alright then. Nice to know you are skimming.

Granted, I exaggerated when I wrote 'anything'. My points stand though.

And no, I didn't skim your posts. I read them from A to Z. I only skim Kovath's posts (when he's in the game) because I find his writing style annoyingly nerdy.

I also like how you seem to think I'm teamed with SP. Care to explain to me how that works?

No, I don't think you are in a team with SP, hence why I don't like that your vote is on him. I lean-scum-read both of you, so your vote on him is clouding my reads.

[Never Unlucky]

DB, while you're here, what do you think of hits paragraph I made about you?

.

2. Logical posts made in an attempt to scum-hunt/pressure. However, DB's tone feels distant/neutral. His posts feel objective and lack opinion IMO. He hasn't given his reads on SP with whom he's had a substantial interaction.
His tone in IC felt way more engaged -- maybe it's because Spruance had shot him, and he got salty. If not, perhaps he's being a cautious town. Either way, I'm keeping a reserve on my DB read.

Would you kindly share your reads?

[DarknessB]

DB, while you're here, what do you think of hits paragraph I made about you?

Would you kindly share your reads?

TBH, I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting given this game doesn't have a Neutral (unlike IC). I tend to be a bit more clinical / methodical in my posts, especially to start games, until / unless I'm pushed for crappy reasons and then I get pissed off at the terrible logic. Take a look at IC or Return to Normalcy for examples. In IC, I was pissed off for a while between the Kovath / Calix ridiculous shade and then Spruance blow darting me for no particular reason / because I was an experienced player even though he actually scumread Eggy.

My current reads list (in order of most likely Town to least likely Town):

Town:
Calix: Has been a fairly equal opportunity pusher and has made very logical points in her responses -- i.e. not low blows or misreps. Seems more interested in the why as opposed to pushing an agenda.
Never Unlucky: Very methodical in his posts, has called out a number of inconsistencies from other players, mainly SP. Seems eager to engage different players and keep conversation moving forward.
Unknown: Willing to approach things from a contrarian point of view and raise points outside of what is currently being discussed (e.g. his having flagged issues on Iced and Eggy).

Null:
Eggy: On the plus side, he seems willing to evaluate his views as the game goes on. On the minus side, could be testing the water on certain lynches (e.g. Mesk or NU), but withdrawing those views if they do not pick up traction to avoid the spotlight.
TDL: Has not contributed much, which may be partially due to playstyle or the fact that games these days are flooded with posts. Did not blindly accept SP's odd Townread of him, which is a plus.

Null/Scum:
Mesk: Somewhat standoffish and does not seem eager to participate, though this is indicative of her meta. The lack of "I am Town" was a bit odd, but later remedied apparently (though we have yet to hear much else). Possible lurking groupscum for sure.
Iced Monopoly: Was unusually defensive when Unknown pushed him for not being active. Seemed to be advocating forming trains for the sake of forming trains as opposed to pursuing his own scumreads. Unknown's point about alignment and lurking isn't an entirely unfair one.
Spruance: Has made some odd comments (even by his own standards) with respect to TDL and SP. Seems odd to me to advocate a lynch on TDL when he has contributed less himself. Doesn't seem to be quite as liberal with his votes compared to other games, perhaps based on knowing roles if he's scum.

Scum:
Secondpassing: Where do I start? Seems to have multiple inconsistent explanations for things like votes. Very reactive and only seems to scumread those who scumread him. His sign-up thread explanation almost seems like a desperate attempt to deflect attention off his other arguments and perhaps pivot attention away from his earlier NU vote. Has not really explained his curent vote.

[DarknessB]

Just realized I didn't actually finish my post lol. Also RIP Kovath.

-vote Mesk514

Probably a better vote.

This comment suggests that your vote is for more than just RVS purposes. Care to explain what you're thinking?

[Unknown1234]

This comment suggests that your vote is for more than just RVS purposes. Care to explain what you're thinking?

This makes me feel Darkness is town from early posts. I don't agree with how heavy the comment was pursued but this is the kind of stuff Darkness usually does. I guess I'm defending Secondpassing when I say this but you make the wording appear more scummy then it really is. Happens to me a lot from you as well.

[Eggy]

-vote Never Unlucky

he is always unlucky his name itself is a lie how can me trust him? Scum confirmed

[Unknown1234]

-vote Never Unlucky

he is always unlucky his name itself is a lie how can me trust him? Scum confirmed

@Eggy please don't bring the drama into this game and vote based on personal feelings. It clogs the thread and really destructs civilization.

[Eggy]

@Eggy please don't bring the drama into this game and vote based on personal feelings. It clogs the thread and really destructs civilization.

It was a joke lol RVS I dont see what the problem is.

Anyway I am pretty confident after reading these few pages that NU is actually scum. He is tunneling second passing for absloutley nothing from what I can see. I find it scummy to cling to something posted on the first page and try to paint it as a slip. I also dont think second passing is scummy whats so ever so as far as im concerned this arguement is TVT or its scum vs town with NU being town.

I know its early in the game but Im pretty sure I kno who 2 of the scum are being NU and mesk.


Mesk has not posted anything that reminds me of her normal town play and since I was scum with her last game I know her scum play pretty well. She normally contributes more than she has so far. And like unknown said. She hasnt even said her "always town stuff" I feel like NU could have jumped on Second passing to defend mesk since he had just voted her.

I think we should lynch NU then Mesk=GG

Anyway im off ill be back on tmrw.

Reads:

Town:
Unknown
Secondpassing
DB
maybe calix

Scum:
Nu
Mesk

Null everyone else

Ill be back tmrw.

[Never Unlucky]

Anyway I am pretty confident after reading these few pages that NU is actually scum. He is tunneling second passing for absloutley nothing from what I can see. I find it scummy to cling to something posted on the first page and try to paint it as a slip. I also dont think second passing is scummy whats so ever so as far as im concerned this arguement is TVT or its scum vs town with[COLOR="#00FF00"] NU being town.

Eggy's back with the headache-giving posts.

If you think I'm tunneling SP for no reason, I am inclined to think that you haven't fully read my posts. I've made some great points on Eggy 2.0's case, you cannot deny it. Also, how does tunneling = scum?

Clinging onto something posted on the first page is what Calix did to me in Politico -- Calix was town, I was scum. Invalid argument.

Mesk has not posted anything that reminds me of her normal town play and since I was scum with her last game I know her scum play pretty well. She normally contributes more than she has so far. And like unknown said. She hasnt even said her "always town stuff" I feel like NU could have jumped on Second passing to defend mesk since he had just voted her.

Mesk hardly ever contributes as town, lol. The time she's contributed the most was in Matrix 2.0... she was scum.

What makes you feel that way? I have in no way defended Mesk. I have had no interaction with Mesk so far, and I never even made allusion to SP's vote on Mesk in the whole SP - NU interaction. Never. You're making stuff up.

You're using pre-flip associations to justify your reads.

I feel like summarizing.

TDL-Town. (I know this isn't backed up a ton, but I'm not going to make up fake bullshit in my post so I'm going to wait until I can do my wall post stuff)

DarknessB- Town

Calix- Scum.

Never Unlucky- Town, but feels hostile towards everyone and uses odd scum-hunting techniques.

Mesk514- I like her the least.

Secondpassing- Under appreciated town who feels ignored.

Iced_Monopoly- Scum, feels like his regular "scum hiding under the radar" play.

Whoever the 10th person is I've missed so that is life. My read on Calix is mostly based on her lack of effort and the way she is playing. I will cover this later when I can. Darkness and TDL feel town, Mesk and Iced feel scum and Nu and Secondpassing don't feel terribly scummy to me, but I'm really in and out right now so I can sleep.

Your scum-reads are based on participation -- The game started during the night for Calix, Iced has some RL stuff to deal with. NAI this early.

[DarknessB]

@DarknessB

I can totally make it easier on you if you decide to quote train. I've learned that I can just stick all the raw text into a spoiler, have you remove the spoiler tag, and then quote from there.

I'm not following what you mean exactly so I'll stick to my tortured method of responding to quote threads.

Originally Posted by DarknessB

Yes, I think we would all agree that Day 1 takes a little while to get going and an odd post like yours often gets people's attention. That having been said, I still don't agree with you that "it doesn't count". It just feels a little bit like an excuse if some people scumread you for it. As in "I told you that post didn't count so therefore I'm excused for it". I just don't agree that anything you say in a game should be discounted -- if you say it, it's fair game.

It's fair game. Whatever. I find the first posts rather useless this match. The most important thing is that TDL answered Calix rather nicely (so I give him a point for that) and that he voted Calix. As they say, sheep your townreads and make a train (why I voted Calix instead of TDL).

To be fair, the TDL / Calix interaction actually occurred in the opposite order than you mention above. TDL voted Calix, then started to respond to her "nicely", as you characterize it when the two got into setup spec and the like. I don't understand why you give him a point for that though -- yes, civility is a good thing, in terms of our collective sanity / avoiding ragefests, but I don't think it's AI in any way. Also, it strikes me very odd that you Townread someone enough to sheep them based on their opening 3-4 posts? Almost makes me think you are putting a ton of thought into seemingly "random" actions for some reason. Just catches me funny.

Okay, this is getting interesting. You seem to be suggesting that your initial vote on Calix was not in fact RVS, but motivated by your finding TDL's initial posts to be more compelling than hers. Can you explain further why you felt that way? Also, were you limiting your vote to players who were active in the game by that point? Just doesn't seem to be very RVS-like to me, though I might be overanalyzing a little bit. Understood on the saltiness point re: your second vote -- I hadn't followed the games where you and Mesk had played.

I feel like explaining it further is counterproductive. Your thoughts on their interaction?

Honestly, I found the early TDL / Calix interaction to be the definition of NAI. Both are experienced players and both were talking about basic setup spec. TDL went with a countervote on Calix, but there hasn't been any actual push so I don't read anything into it.

I was limiting my vote to players who were being voted at that point. (only votes were on me, Spruance, Calix, and TDL)

Is there a reason for this? Seems odd to me to limit an RVS vote (or maybe not an RVS vote?) to only the pool of people who already had votes on them.

[secondpassing]

To be fair, the TDL / Calix interaction actually occurred in the opposite order than you mention above. TDL voted Calix, then started to respond to her "nicely", as you characterize it when the two got into setup spec and the like. I don't understand why you give him a point for that though -- yes, civility is a good thing, in terms of our collective sanity / avoiding ragefests, but I don't think it's AI in any way. Also, it strikes me very odd that you Townread someone enough to sheep them based on their opening 3-4 posts? Almost makes me think you are putting a ton of thought into seemingly "random" actions for some reason. Just catches me funny.

I make the best of the situation I have. (Or I try to.) I'll find the AI post and post it separately. As for sheeping, I've picked up stuff from MS's RVS stage. They actively try to start trains-- currently not trying to do that right now.


Okay, I simplified our discussion to a length that is readable.

[DarknessB]

Originally Posted by DarknessB

To be fair, the TDL / Calix interaction actually occurred in the opposite order than you mention above. TDL voted Calix, then started to respond to her "nicely", as you characterize it when the two got into setup spec and the like. I don't understand why you give him a point for that though -- yes, civility is a good thing, in terms of our collective sanity / avoiding ragefests, but I don't think it's AI in any way. Also, it strikes me very odd that you Townread someone enough to sheep them based on their opening 3-4 posts? Almost makes me think you are putting a ton of thought into seemingly "random" actions for some reason. Just catches me funny.


I make the best of the situation I have. (Or I try to.) I'll find the AI post and post it separately. As for sheeping, I've picked up stuff from MS's RVS stage. They actively try to start trains-- currently not trying to do that right now.

Actively trying to start trains can be a good thing, but why do so at the RVS stage (in terms of limiting your votes to those who already had votes)?

Okay, I simplified our discussion to a length that is readable.

Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight
Yeah, I determined optimal strategy for the town is to lynch two scum while avoiding losing four town.

Not much to say about it really. ^^


I like this post. And I gave TDL a +1 for it. I think it's alignment indicative. Note the two Shift + 66. Takes effort to seem happy. Probably is happy. Probably is happy he rolled town.

Personally, I don't find this explanation persuasive. The context was TDL sarcastically replying to Calix's question about his strategy for the game. His answer just repeats the Town win condition -- i.e. lynch two scum before losing four Town. As for your comments about him seeming happy, I'm not sure when seeming happy / unhappy would be AI? The comment about "two Shift + 66" seems glib so I'll give you a pass for that, but I seriously hope you're not Townreading someone based on their demeanor during the first 3-4 posts of the game...

[secondpassing]

I make the best of the situation I have. (Or I try to.) I'll find the AI post and post it separately. As for sheeping, I've picked up stuff from MS's RVS stage. They actively try to start trains-- currently not trying to do that right now.

Actively trying to start trains can be a good thing, but why do so at the RVS stage (in terms of limiting your votes to those who already had votes)?

First, because the ones who already had votes on them are closer to being a train. RVS is built to promote discussion and reads, so do trains. I went the train path.
Second, Trains are nice. People react differently under pressure, which is why you need to train them. Actively having trains also means that town is awake and diligent.

Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight
Yeah, I determined optimal strategy for the town is to lynch two scum while avoiding losing four town. Not much to say about it really. ^^

Personally, I don't find this explanation persuasive. The context was TDL sarcastically replying to Calix's question about his strategy for the game. His answer just repeats the Town win condition -- i.e. lynch two scum before losing four Town. As for your comments about him seeming happy, I'm not sure when seeming happy / unhappy would be AI? The comment about "two Shift + 66" seems glib so I'll give you a pass for that, but I seriously hope you're not Townreading someone based on their demeanor during the first 3-4 posts of the game...

Hence why I didn't try to persuade anyone with it. And to clarify, I'm townreading TDL for the posts he has posted. You probably have him at "null".
Also, I think that happiness is AI. Let's not get into it.

[secondpassing]

I'm going to attempt to refrain from posting for a while so Iced_Monopoly can catch up (it seems he is reading the thread).
@DarknessB I question your vote on Spruance, because I'd like to see your vote on Never Unlucky, or me, but preferably Never Unlucky. Let's get these trains moving.

[secondpassing]

I have a very hard time believing that 'stirring up conversation' was your intent when you made your first posts. Your first post was a bunch of quotes, a RVS vote and not-so-dank memes. How does it 'stir up conversation'?

Look, instead of focusing on how bad my meme usage is, can you focus on what has actually happened? This thread revolves around me right now, so it definitely stirred up conversation.

I don't like that you feel the 'need to post' -- A town would feel the need to contribute to scumhunting even if that's made in only two posts. Quantity doesn't matter. You drawing attention to 'posting' specifically implies that you want to appear active but not necessarily contribute.

If you feel like people don't 'need to post', do you feel that people 'don't need to post'?

You have a hard time making random votes? That makes no sense. A random vote is random, any vote will do. How do you have a hard time randoming someone?

What did you like of TDL's posts?

Fact is, I haven't random voted anyone yet. It appears you have a hard time random voting someone too. Where's your vote?

SP pings me weird so far. Not liking her posts.

Pings you weird or pings you scum? Are you going to just attack my posts?

We do not have similar posting styles: I refrain from making jokes if they're going to be shit.

What things have you made go?

How am I sitting back?

Okay, I stand corrected. This comment was based off of games I read of you, not with you.

I made conversation happen.
You sit back by not solidly offering an opinion.

You're making it as RVS was going to make town win the game -- RVS is just a way to start a game. Votes don't mean much, they're just meant to create conversation to then gather reads. Reads are how town wins the game.

Please stop insinuating that I don't read people.

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I have a very hard time believing that 'stirring up conversation' was your intent when you made your first posts. Your first post was a bunch of quotes, a RVS vote and not-so-dank memes. How does it 'stir up conversation'?

Look, instead of focusing on how bad my meme usage is, can you focus on what has actually happened? This thread revolves around me right now, so it definitely stirred up conversation.

I don't like that you feel the 'need to post' -- A town would feel the need to contribute to scumhunting even if that's made in only two posts. Quantity doesn't matter. You drawing attention to 'posting' specifically implies that you want to appear active but not necessarily contribute.

If you feel like people don't 'need to post', do you feel that people 'don't need to post'?

You have a hard time making random votes? That makes no sense. A random vote is random, any vote will do. How do you have a hard time randoming someone?

What did you like of TDL's posts?

Fact is, I haven't random voted anyone yet. It appears you have a hard time random voting someone too. Where's your vote?

SP pings me weird so far. Not liking her posts.

Pings you weird or pings you scum? Are you going to just attack my posts?

We do not have similar posting styles: I refrain from making jokes if they're going to be shit.

What things have you made go?

How am I sitting back?

Okay, I stand corrected. This comment was based off of games I read of you, not with you.

I made conversation happen.
You sit back by not solidly offering an opinion.

You're making it as RVS was going to make town win the game -- RVS is just a way to start a game. Votes don't mean much, they're just meant to create conversation to then gather reads. Reads are how town wins the game.

Please stop insinuating that I don't read people.

[Never Unlucky]

Look, instead of focusing on how bad my meme usage is, can you focus on what has actually happened? This thread revolves around me right now, so it definitely stirred up conversation.

Saying I am focused on your shitty memes is a very big mischaracterization, I've made one on-the-side comment on it in a ~5 paragraphs post -- Scums tend to mischaracterize situations more than town do.

Saying I am not focusing on what's happening is also a mischaracterization. You are unnecessarily attempting to discredit me and responding very passively/aggressively to deflect from the points I've made on your case.

As I said, I doubt that your goal was not to stir up conversation. Your posts didn't feel like they were encouraging conversation at all. They were just "I have posted" posts in my eyes.
If you want to see what posts encouraging convos look like, read DB's posts and my posts.

If you feel like people don't 'need to post', do you feel that people 'don't need to post'?

Fact is, I haven't random voted anyone yet. It appears you have a hard time random voting someone too. Where's your vote?

You saying that those votes were thought out and not random is scary.

It doesn't mean I have a hard time making one, lol. You're deflecting again.

Pings you weird or pings you scum? Are you going to just attack my posts?

The previous pinged me weird (Not town, but not scum), but THIS post pings me scum. You are deflecting and reacting in a scummy manner with the passive/aggressive post.

Oh, I am ATTACKING your posts? I am not analyzing them nor deciphering them, I am attacking them?

Okay, I stand corrected. This comment was based off of games I read of you, not with you.

I made conversation happen.
You sit back by not solidly offering an opinion.

Funny that the only point you concede is something that is completely irrelevant to the game.

You've made it clear that your 'goal' is to create conversation. You don't realize that that is not how a game's won.

My thoughts on the player (irrelevant to the game) -- [Spoiler]You're Eggy 2.0, no joke. The same typing style without the grammir mystaiks and the lol hahahah u suck.[/Spoiler]

Please stop insinuating that I don't read people.

What are your reads in that case? I expect better reasons than 'responds nicely'.

[secondpassing]

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