S-FM 207 Island Conflict

[Calix]

Yeah with your skinner right?

If Eggy really wants me to lose that badly that he's going to throw away Mafia's own chances to win by not killing tonight, then that's his decision.

I'm just making it not a blind Town-or-Neut choice any more so he'd have to actually decide on that.

So you are doing the same thing as he is with wasting time because of your pride...thus proving how little you actually know about how this is going down...

Good Lord.

[Kovath]

So you are doing the same thing as he is with wasting time because of your pride...thus proving how little you actually know about how this is going down...

Good Lord.

On the contrary. I understand exactly what is going on, what choices people have, and what results will take place from those decisions.

The sad thing is that despite talking about how the game has been solved, you're the person who doesn't know the full story.

[Calix]

On the contrary. I understand exactly what is going on, what choices people have, and what results will take place from those decisions.

The sad thing is that despite talking about how the game has been solved, you're the person who doesn't know the full story.

Overthinking the situation and acting like there is anything to be "solved" =/= understanding what is going on.

Continue with the delusion that you are actually doing anything though. It's just as adorable as Eggy's.

[Calix]

Kovath, your approach is a mess. You are trying to use strategy when it's obsolete and negotiation is key.

There is no way you can dig us out of the kingmaker. It's impossible. You cannot outrun it no matter what role you have up your sleeve.

[Kovath]

Kovath, your approach is a mess. You are trying to use strategy when it's obsolete and negotiation is key.

There is no way you can dig us out of the kingmaker. It's impossible. You cannot outrun it no matter what role you have up your sleeve.

I'm aware of that.

I'm just reverting the power to town instead of Mafia, since Eggy apparently hates me so much that he's willing to help town after it shafted Mafia in the original kingmaker.

You're telling me to give up despite me seeing a possible path to victory for myself? Nah, I'm not gamethrowing, thank you very much.

[Calix]

I'm aware of that.

I'm just reverting the power to town instead of Mafia, since Eggy apparently hates me so much that he's willing to help town after it shafted Mafia in the original kingmaker.

You're telling me to give up despite me seeing a possible path to victory for myself? Nah, I'm not gamethrowing, thank you very much.

If you're going to be salty, then go ahead. Honestly, it's pathetic how you and Eggy reacted.

The scum play is really digging for China here with their teeth.

[Kovath]

If you're going to be salty, then go ahead. Honestly, it's pathetic how you and Eggy reacted.

The scum play is really digging for China here with their teeth.

I was salty before, when I was admitting defeat.

But to call me salty now is just flagrantly wrong. I calmed down. I see a path to victory, it exists, and to admit defeat would be the definition of gamethrowing.

It's amazing that you're saying "pathetic" and such now afer Eggy decided in favor of town for some unexplained reason. Call me hypocritical if you like, I'm saying it as I see it.

I've made my choice, I'm not going to say anything else on the subject.

[Calix]

I was salty before, when I was admitting defeat.

But to call me salty now is just flagrantly wrong. I calmed down. I see a path to victory, it exists, and to admit defeat would be the definition of gamethrowing.

It's amazing that you're saying "pathetic" and such now afer Eggy decided in favor of town for some unexplained reason. Call me hypocritical if you like, I'm saying it as I see it.

I've made my choice, I'm not going to say anything else on the subject.

"path to victory" - That's not how you spell "Hell"

If you expect Spruance/ Simple Joy to fuck up and vote for the wrong person, you're insane.

If you expect town to No Lynch today, you're insane.

If you expect your night actions to do jack shit to help you, you're insane.

You're so ridiculously butt-hurt because of Eggy and it shows.

[Calix]

I'll give you this though, Kovath. Your strategy is elite for delaying the next game needlessly, and all because you're letting Eggy get to you and your ego.

[Kovath]

"path to victory" - That's not how you spell "Hell"

If you expect Spruance/ Simple Joy to fuck up and vote for the wrong person, you're insane.

If you expect town to No Lynch today, you're insane.

If you expect your night actions to do jack shit to help you, you're insane.

You're so ridiculously butt-hurt because of Eggy and it shows.

Town cannot lynch without a scum voting. I am not voting. Either you let mafia win by lynching me, or Eggy decides to follow through on his promise and votes MattZed himself.

I'll give you this though, Kovath. Your strategy is elite for delaying the next game needlessly, and all because you're letting Eggy get to you and your ego.

We'll see whether I'm truly butt-hurt or actually knew what I was doing when the game is over.

Weren't you calling me a mouthbreather earlier for actually playing for my wincon and forcing a kingmaker situation instead of a 4v1v1? Hypocrisy may describe me, but it describes you too. I wasn't gloating when town decided they wanted to let me win originally.

[Calix]

Town cannot lynch without a scum voting. I am not voting. Either you let mafia win by lynching me, or Eggy decides to follow through on his promise and votes MattZed himself.



We'll see whether I'm truly butt-hurt or actually knew what I was doing when the game is over.

Weren't you calling me a mouthbreather earlier for actually playing for my wincon and forcing a kingmaker situation instead of a 4v1v1? Hypocrisy may describe me, but it describes you too. I wasn't gloating when town decided they wanted to let me win originally.

2 + 1 + 1 = 4 town votes. 4 votes needed to lynch. Please learn how to math.

Your suspense writing is also terrible.

No, you just decided to piss away the free win because of some convoluted 'strategy' that you've made up in your head. Strategy won't work when EVERYONE can see what you are doing and thus counter it.

Dear Lord.

[Eggy]

Does kavth win if its a no lynch??

[Eggy]

This is so strange im really confused

[Calix]

Does kavth win if its a no lynch??

It increase his chances by a considerable margin more than a lynch does for him.

[Calix]

Given that he cannot kill tonight/ can use his ability and he is immune to your kills.

[Eggy]

If it goes into a no lynch I have night kill but might have a redirect so he could kill town or kill myself or my partner

[Calix]

If it goes into a no lynch I have night kill but might have a redirect so he could kill town or kill myself or my partner

Precisely why his attempt at No Lynching works out better for him than any other faction.

[Eggy]

Given that he cannot kill tonight/ can use his ability and he is immune to your kills.

Well then what do you suggest? He wont vote mattzed because he knows I will make him lose id like to keep playing if I can win but if I cant I decide to make town win

[Calix]

Well then what do you suggest? He wont vote mattzed because he knows I will make him lose id like to keep playing if I can win but if I cant I decide to make town win

Technically you can vote for MattZed and then either SJ or I can hammer, thus meaning Kovath can't fuck around with you as easy.

[Eggy]

If you vote kovath it will end today 😝 quickest solution I have. If you guys just dont wnna wait to long but everyone just doesnt want to give up the winjing chance. I want to win but if I have to make a choice I chose towninstead of kovath.

[Eggy]

Technically you can vote for MattZed and then either SJ or I can hammer, thus meaning Kovath can't fuck around with you as easy.

I can but then we still have to wait a full day instead of ending today if im not able to suicide

[Calix]

If you vote kovath it will end today  quickest solution I have. If you guys just dont wnna wait to long but everyone just doesnt want to give up the winjing chance. I want to win but if I have to make a choice I chose towninstead of kovath.

Given the players who have even shown up, Kovath can hardly get lynched today.

[Calix]

You can ask for instant nights? I think Iced would be reasonable given the nature of the game right now.

[Kovath]

If you vote kovath it will end today  quickest solution I have. If you guys just dont wnna wait to long but everyone just doesnt want to give up the winjing chance. I want to win but if I have to make a choice I chose towninstead of kovath.

So you'd vote for MattZed, your own teammate, thereby destroying your own chances of victory, in order to prevent me from possibly winning?

Also, acting as if the Skinner is able to reveal during day chat

[Eggy]

The quickest solution would be to kill kovath. Of we go into a no lynch I can use my night kill to target a town. Then its 2v1v1 and stillla kingmaker or he can riderect it onto one of us then its still a king maker just a 3v1v1 someone has to back down atleast

[Eggy]

So you'd vote for MattZed, your own teammate, thereby destroying your own chances of victory, in order to prevent me from possibly winning?

Also, acting as if the Skinner is able to reveal during day chat

Only if I have no chance of winning myself

[Eggy]

So you'd vote for MattZed, your own teammate, thereby destroying your own chances of victory, in order to prevent me from possibly winning?

Also, acting as if the Skinner is able to reveal during day chat

At this point the only way I win is if they decide to let me. Only way you win is If I decide to let you. And only way town wins is if I decide to let them

[Calix]

The quickest solution would be to kill kovath. Of we go into a no lynch I can use my night kill to target a town. Then its 2v1v1 and stillla kingmaker or he can riderect it onto one of us then its still a king maker just a 3v1v1 someone has to back down atleast

MattZed is AFK so Kovath cannot get lynched today.

If MattZed dies then Kovath's damage will be lessened because the optimal strategy for both scum is to kill a town member anyway, so he wouldn't need to do anything to you.

If you No Lynch, you give him the opportunity to manipulate your night kill however best suits him.

[Calix]

At this point the only way I win is if they decide to let me. Only way you win is If I decide to let you. And only way town wins is if I decide to let them

You're rock, I'm paper, Kovath is scissors.

[Eggy]

MattZed is AFK so Kovath cannot get lynched today.

If MattZed dies then Kovath's damage will be lessened because the optimal strategy for both scum is to kill a town member anyway, so he wouldn't need to do anything to you.

If you No Lynch, you give him the opportunity to manipulate your night kill however best suits him.

I have riderect and various other tools at my dispossal also. The point is if you want to win I have to let you. If I dont thrn its between me and kovath. My victory being quicker.

[Eggy]

Unless you feel strongly about mebl losing why notbjust vote kovath?

[Eggy]

I dont want kovath to win because he is first on the leader board I want to catch up. If you let him win his lead is only going to grow stronger

[Eggy]

If its a no lynch then I can night kill a town, witchmight be riderect to myself or my partner then its still a 3v1v1 and still king maker I can then redirect his next nighy kill so its a 1v1v2 and still a kingmaker

[Calix]

I dont want kovath to win because he is first on the leader board I want to catch up. If you let him win his lead is only going to grow stronger

Which is why voting for MattZed is the best move because of how it fucks over the Neutral.

It's in his best interest to No Lynch and have control of the night kill. You cannot argue against that.

[Calix]

And no shit dude, I want to win. Think I am just going to give you the win because of the ladder?

[Eggy]

Then he can riderect my night kill onto or my partner. Then its a 1v2 and he loses or if he doesnt its 1v1v1 and still a king maker. And if no one decides by then he wins

[Eggy]

The only way he wins if you pick him over me or if we wait another 3 games days and nights

[Eggy]

Why dont you just take the easy way out?

[Calix]

Then he can riderect my night kill onto or my partner. Then its a 1v2 and he loses or if he doesnt its 1v1v1 and still a king maker. And if no one decides by then he wins

If you NoL and he redirects to you then it becomes 3v1v1 where town will win.

A kingmaker is the ONLY way he can win the game at this point.

[Calix]

Why dont you just take the easy way out?

1. Fuck the ladder.

2. Fuck you, lurking arsehole.

[Eggy]

1. Fuck the ladder.

2. Fuck you, lurking arsehole.

If you had to chose between kovath and me you would let kovath win even tho he is already first on the ladder?

[Eggy]

Ill vote mattzed if there is not chance of me winning. ill then commit suicide as my night action so you can fast hammer kovath. If you guys decide to play the waiting game I do not see how I could possibly win

[Iced_Monopoly]

All factions must play to their win conditions. If any faction wishes to surrender, all members of that faction must PM me that they agree and wish to do so. Any other form of 'surrender' (pre mediated team kills/suicides) will be considered game throwing.

I am inclined to reduce lengths of days and nights once all players arrive and we decide on appropriate hours.

[Eggy]

All factions must play to their win conditions. If any faction wishes to surrender, all members of that faction must PM me that they agree and wish to do so. Any other form of 'surrender' (pre mediated team kills/suicides) will be considered game throwing.

I am inclined to reduce lengths of days and nights once all players arrive and we decide on appropriate hours.

The only way I can win is if they decide to lynch kovath. What am I supposed to do?

[Simple Joy]

i think i can work out who the scum are by analyzing todays posts.

[Iced_Monopoly]

The only way I can win is if they decide to lynch kovath. What am I supposed to do?

Convince them of your plight to lynch the neutral slot, or convince your partner to surrender with you. Dont decide the fate of your team, and other teams, without consultation and agreement from the other player though.

[Kovath]

Mafia has a path to victory, just as I do. As does town.

It all depends on what people decide to do.

[Simple Joy]

Mafia has a path to victory, just as I do. As does town.

It all depends on what people decide to do.

as oppose to?

[Simple Joy]

@Calix

i'm voting with you

[MattZed]

Boy did I pick a fun time to come back.

-vote Kovath