S-FM 207 Island Conflict

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S-FM Island Conflict

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DAY ONE

With the island coming under threat from over development and an absurd influx of tourists, the tribes of the nation sent forward delegates to meet, and form a council to determine a solution to this plague. Nothing was off the table, not even the public execution of other council members should they say or do anything unreasonable.

Players Alive	Roles	Graveyard
Mesk514	Hidden Tribe
Calix	Hidden Tribe
RLVG	Hidden Tribe
Kovath	Hidden Tribe
Eggy	Hidden Tribe
Spruance	Hidden Tribe
MiniZed	Hidden Tribe
Never Unlucky	Hidden Expansionist
Gyrlander	Hidden Expansionist
DarknessB	Hidden Supernatural

6 votes to hammer.

Day ends in 48 hours
Time till day end

[Never Unlucky]

-vote Calix

The new kid won't get outted easily this time.

[Mesk514]

okay I'm ready for another game of proving I am always town.... this shit is kinda getting old... someone host a game and give me scum.

[Calix]

-vote Calix

The new kid won't get outted easily this time.

It'll happen naturally.

I'll vote for someone a little more worthy in the meantime ;)

-vote RLVG

[Spruance]

okay I'm ready for another game of proving I am always town.... this shit is kinda getting old... someone host a game and give me scum.

^^^

[Never Unlucky]

okay I'm ready for another game of proving I am always town.... this shit is kinda getting old... someone host a game and give me scum.

It's a way of balancing the game. If the host gives you a scum role, the evils would be underpowered.

[Calix]

Apparently none of you plebs are going to say anything and it's 12am over here...setup spec time!

1. Night Kill Analysis might actually be useful for once, given that the kills alternate between Mafia and Supernatural. This assumes that the scum aren't boring and actually put more thought into their kills than "lol active players"

...nah, who am I kidding? We all know that I'm going to get fucked over yet again even if I lurk my arse off.

2. I would honestly just read the Special Mechanics part and give your thoughts on that if any.

3. Using the Tourist/ Tax Evader ability is massively anti-town and shouldn't be done. If you're town, act like a Citizen.

4. Supernatural is likely to use their ability tonight. Everyone should be focused more on the day chat than whatever random-ass night actions we all have as we have no idea how the Supernatural/ Mafia can fuck with those.

But going back to the players...if I really want to be nitpicky, Never Unlucky's first post said that he wouldn't be "outed easily this time" - well how can a town member out themselves, exactly? If he's trying to work on his scum play, slipping that he received a scum role isn't the best way to go about it.

Explain yourself. You wanted to confront me after all.

[Gyrlander]

okay I'm ready for another game of proving I am always town.... this shit is kinda getting old... someone host a game and give me scum.

kk done.

[Gyrlander]

What the fuck is a MiniZed?

[Never Unlucky]

4. Supernatural is likely to use their ability tonight. Everyone should be focused more on the day chat than whatever random-ass night actions we all have as we have no idea how the Supernatural/ Mafia can fuck with those.

But going back to the players...if I really want to be nitpicky, Never Unlucky's first post said that he wouldn't be "outed easily this time" - well how can a town member out themselves, exactly? If he's trying to work on his scum play, slipping that he received a scum role isn't the best way to go about it.

Explain yourself. You wanted to confront me after all.

4. Explain why they are likely to use their ability N1. I do not see why they'd use their limited-use abilities on the first night more than any other night.

I meant that I won't get taken out easily this time. Wrong choice of words.

[Mesk514]

What the fuck is a MiniZed?

Sounds like a Matted offspring

[Mesk514]

MattZed*

[Calix]

4. Explain why they are likely to use their ability N1. I do not see why they'd use their limited-use abilities on the first night more than any other night.

I meant that I won't get taken out easily this time. Wrong choice of words.

4. Pretty obvious...Supernatural cannot kill on N1.

Question. Why did you choose to focus on the part about the Supernatural's strategy but ignored the rest of my setup speculation?

[Never Unlucky]

4. Pretty obvious...Supernatural cannot kill on N1.

Question. Why did you choose to focus on the part about the Supernatural's strategy but ignored the rest of my setup speculation?

There was nothing else I wanted to comment on.

Point 1 was about analysing nightkills. There were no night kills yet and you are stating the obvious. No need to comment.

Point 2 was about reading the special mechanics and giving my opinion on it. At the time I made my last post, I had nothing to add. Now, I will say that if there are no kills on odd nights, either the shaman saved his target or the expansionist hit the night immune SN.

Point 3 was about not using the tourist/tax evader night action which I agree with.

4. I get that... But why would they use their ability on N1 rather than N3/N5/NX? I do not get your point.

[Calix]

There was nothing else I wanted to comment on.

Point 1 was about analysing nightkills. There were no night kills yet and you are stating the obvious. No need to comment.

Point 2 was about reading the special mechanics and giving my opinion on it. At the time I made my last post, I had nothing to add. Now, I will say that if there are no kills on odd nights, either the shaman saved his target or the expansionist hit the night immune SN.

Point 3 was about not using the tourist/tax evader night action which I agree with.

4. I get that... But why would they use their ability on N1 rather than N3/N5/NX? I do not get your point.

Fair enough.

It's a 10-player game, so the odds of the game lasting until N5 is next to nothing. Worst-case scenario (where only town die) is that town loses majority by D3 if my maths is correct.

The Supernatural using their ridiculous night actions early on helps to fuck over town. Therefore town should be more active and aggressive in chat to find the scum because of the unreliability of night actions.

Also it's a small game so POE will basically win it for town if people aren't complete morons.

In accordance with this, we're not even 20 posts in but the tone of your response makes me slightly town-read you.

[Eggy]

Is there only one page? Ive never opened a thread with only one page lol.. feels strange

-vote kovath

[DarknessB]

MiniZed? One is already too many...

-vote MiniZed

[Mesk514]

Okay, who wants to have a nice drunk calm conversation with me about why I'm always town. Offer expires at 2am Mountain time as after 6+ hours of being drunk I often get a head ache

[Kovath]

Okay, who wants to have a nice drunk calm conversation with me about why I'm always town. Offer expires at 2am Mountain time as after 6+ hours of being drunk I often get a head ache

Sup Mesk, just got home after flight. Convince me why you're town again

[Mesk514]

you were too slow so you get the meh answer...

because it's a fact.

ta duuuhh

[Calix]

you were too slow so you get the meh answer...

because it's a fact.

ta duuuhh

Are you ever going to comment on anything that isn't about your own alignment?

You're really beating a dead horse with the "ALWAYS TOWN GUISE" schtick this game.

[Mesk514]

Are you ever going to comment on anything that isn't about your own alignment?

You're really beating a dead horse with the "ALWAYS TOWN GUISE" schtick this game.

its getting old eh, probably like me

[Calix]

its getting old eh, probably like me

My request for you to talk about something else stands.

-vote Mesk514

For lack of a better option.

zzz, it's been 12 hours and half of the players haven't even shown up. Bloody hell.

[Mesk514]

you whore, how dare you go against the facts of nature.

[Calix]

you whore, how dare you go against the facts of nature.

Keep trolling, pal, and you'll end up with a new necklace made of rope

[Mesk514]

how would you like me to speculate when the only conversation thats going is me?

would you like to analyze myself

okay

mesk=town

i know its getting old, but its true.

[Mesk514]

you'll end up with a new necklace made of rope

I'm planning to die of old age, tis all

if the rope is from Tiffanys, i'll take it.

[Calix]

how would you like me to speculate when the only conversation thats going is me?

would you like to analyze myself

okay

mesk=town

i know its getting old, but its true.

Did I mention that you're hammering in the "MESK = TOWN" thing? Because you really are.

Try commenting on everyone's opening posts. You are allowed to be as nitpicky as you like. Go

I'm planning to die of old age, tis all

if the rope is from Tiffanys, i'll take it.

Point in hand.

[Calix]

And Mesk disappears when I ask for reads. (even if shitty) Of course!

I'm bored so I'm just going to make some MU-style comments like I asked Mesk to and take my leave unless someone worthwhile actually shows up.

^^^

Sheeping Mesk with her "always town guise" crap, doesn't even bother pretending that he has any original thoughts nor does he have any queries about the non-standard setup despite him having a reputation for doing so - this shows a lack of initiative + potential assimilation/ buddying attempt with Mesk. Neutral-scum lean.

kk done.

What the fuck is a MiniZed?

Tone feels townie to me but who even knows when Gyrloser insist on being useless all day every day, lmao.

Sup Mesk, just got home after flight. Convince me why you're town again

Last sentence sets the tone for someone who expects the town to reach out to him and not vice versa. Complacency detected.

Is there only one page? Ive never opened a thread with only one page lol.. feels strange

-vote kovath

Eggy comments on the lack of activity, seems surprised (slightly townie because scum wouldn't care much?) but does not attempt to do anything to change this. Strange, but given that DB/ Kovath/ Mesk/ Spruance also did nothing, not worth much by itself.

[Mesk514]

I havent disappered, and if i did... its 3am i think that should be acceptable..

anyway... Never Unlucky came out very very determined to have a convo with you, Calix.. do you not see that as potential buddying? get the smart ones attention then hide in plain sight?
"4. Explain why they are likely to use their ability N1."... answering a question with a question seems more like an trying to get change the route of the conversations so one doesn't dwell on a certain aspect

Spruance always comes off as dumb town or scum, but the only smart thing they've done before is that the old saying is that I'm always town, and he's totally recognized it... although he could know for a fact i am town... could be buddying


kovath hasn't said anything

eggy placed a policy vote

calix is calix

[Calix]

I havent disappered, and if i did... its 3am i think that should be acceptable..

anyway... Never Unlucky came out very very determined to have a convo with you, Calix.. do you not see that as potential buddying? get the smart ones attention then hide in plain sight?
"4. Explain why they are likely to use their ability N1."... answering a question with a question seems more like an trying to get change the route of the conversations so one doesn't dwell on a certain aspect

Spruance always comes off as dumb town or scum, but the only smart thing they've done before is that the old saying is that I'm always town, and he's totally recognized it... although he could know for a fact i am town... could be buddying


kovath hasn't said anything

eggy placed a policy vote

calix is calix

I wasn't aware of your timezone, mb.

I read it more as an attempt to either a) prove himself after [THING THAT WE CAN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT] or b) take me down after [ALSO THING WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT]. I don't see how anything he's done would qualify as buddying - can you expand on that point?

What 'certain aspect' do you think he was avoiding?

Third question. Why do you characterise Eggy's vote as 'policy' when it's on a player who has never been policy-lynched or even considered for one?

[Gyrlander]

Geez, Calix has already said I'm useless and we haven't pass the 1st page

I agree Mesk feels a little weird with the "I'm Mesk I'm always town". Either she's bored of being town, or she feels the need of telling us repeatively.

[Never Unlucky]

MiniZed? One is already too many...

-vote MiniZed

I cannot tell why, but I really do not like this post. Probably because it looks a lot like my own last game scum opening post.

anyway... Never Unlucky came out very very determined to have a convo with you, Calix.. do you not see that as potential buddying? get the smart ones attention then hide in plain sight?
"4. Explain why they are likely to use their ability N1."... answering a question with a question seems more like an trying to get change the route of the conversations so one doesn't dwell on a certain aspect

Spruance always comes off as dumb town or scum, but the only smart thing they've done before is that the old saying is that I'm always town, and he's totally recognized it... although he could know for a fact i am town... could be buddying


kovath hasn't said anything

eggy placed a policy vote

calix is calix

How are you assuming that I was "very determined" to have a conversation with Calix? How is having a conversation with someone "buddying"?

Lol. Calix's 4 point wasn't a question. It was rather a statement I did understand, so I asked her to explain to me where she was coming from with it.

How is Eggy's vote a policy vote?

@Spruance Warning. I will not tolerate your trolling/lurking/refusing to collaborate/not following shitty meta this game.

[Calix]

I cannot tell why, but I really do not like this post. Probably because it looks a lot like my own last game scum opening post.



How are you assuming that I was "very determined" to have a conversation with Calix? How is having a conversation with someone "buddying"?

Lol. Calix's 4 point wasn't a question. It was rather a statement I did understand, so I asked her to explain to me where she was coming from with it.

How is Eggy's vote a policy vote?

@Spruance Warning. I will not tolerate your trolling/lurking/refusing to collaborate/not following shitty meta this game.

Mentions are serious business

I'd comment more on this post but since it requires Mesk answering it for anything to happen (and waiting around is really not something we can afford to do...) I shall just direct you to #29. I agree that the characterisation of Eggy's vote is off. Not sure why, but I've noticed that scum have a tendency of mischaracterising other players' meta in this way. Unknown being a high contributor, anyone? ;)

Given you are still voting me, how do you read me presently?

[MiniZed]

MiniZed? One is already too many...

-vote MiniZed

Ain't that something...

-vote DarknessB

[Calix]

Ain't that something...

-vote DarknessB

If it isn't our best buddy, OMGUS. Do you actually have a reason for voting DB?

Post thoughts on the current chat so far.

[MiniZed]

If it isn't our best buddy, OMGUS. Do you actually have a reason for voting DB?

Post thoughts on the current chat so far.

not rlly tbh

[Calix]

not rlly tbh

So if I voted you, would you try to vote me as well?

Respond to my other query, scrub.

[Unknown1234]

So if I voted you, would you try to vote me as well?

Respond to my other query, scrub.

Only if you offended MattZed.

[Calix]

I'm already laughing at you, dude.

[MiniZed]

I'm already laughing at you, dude.

I was going to slip eventually. Couldn't prevent it.

[Calix]

I was going to slip eventually. Couldn't prevent it.

Maybe next time you decide to fuck around with smurf accounts...for whatever reason...you'll consider incognito mode like I bloody well said.

Now that you've slipped harder than 'TimeForce' did in WOM, want to actually play now?

[MiniZed]

Well, I can throw away my terrible role playing now, that was just an RVS vote though.

[MiniZed]

Maybe next time you decide to fuck around with smurf accounts...for whatever reason...you'll consider incognito mode like I bloody well said.

Now that you've slipped harder than 'TimeForce' did in WOM, want to actually play now?

Was JUST about to put it on, sheesh :P

[Calix]

Well, I can throw away my terrible role playing now, that was just an RVS vote though.

Was JUST about to put it on, sheesh :P

My points still stand, however

Impersonating SuperJack doesn't mean you'll get a pass from not contributing.

You should probably do it before everyone else comes in here and laughs at you too <3

[Never Unlucky]

Sheeping Mesk with her "always town guise" crap, doesn't even bother pretending that he has any original thoughts nor does he have any queries about the non-standard setup despite him having a reputation for doing so - this shows a lack of initiative + potential assimilation/ buddying attempt with Mesk. Neutral-scum lean.

Tone feels townie to me but who even knows when Gyrloser insist on being useless all day every day, lmao.

Last sentence sets the tone for someone who expects the town to reach out to him and not vice versa. Complacency detected.

Eggy comments on the lack of activity, seems surprised (slightly townie because scum wouldn't care much?) but does not attempt to do anything to change this. Strange, but given that DB/ Kovath/ Mesk/ Spruance also did nothing, not worth much by itself.

That's why I hate Spruance's meta. You can never town-read him for his actions and says even if he's town because of his meta. He'll always be a null-read/scum-read.

How is Gyrlander's tone townie to you? I could not feel the townie vibe in the 8 words you quoted.

Hmm, good point. Also, it is strange to me that he says "Sup Mesk, just got home after flight". Why Mesk over any other individual or entity?

I don't think it's AI.

Mentions are serious business

I'd comment more on this post but since it requires Mesk answering it for anything to happen (and waiting around is really not something we can afford to do...) I shall just direct you to #29. I agree that the characterisation of Eggy's vote is off. Not sure why, but I've noticed that scum have a tendency of mischaracterising other players' meta in this way. Unknown being a high contributor, anyone? ;)

Given you are still voting me, how do you read me presently?

Lmao. Boy was I wrong about Unknown. I really feel like making an Unknown rant right now, but he's not in the game and it's off-topic. I'll contain my inner rage.

Well, you're being the same Calix as town!Calix from last game. I don't necessarily town-read you though especially since I do not know scum!Calix. I was a bit skeptical of your intentions for saying very very early that you town-read me. (Buddying? Get my trust?) You were probably just being genuine though. Other than that, I haven't found anything else sketchy in your posts so far. I'm inclined to null-lean-scum-read you for now.

Did you have an opinion on DarknessB's opening post?

[MiniZed]

Oh boy you JUST pissed me off.

[Calix]

That's why I hate Spruance's meta. You can never town-read him for his actions and says even if he's town because of his meta. He'll always be a null-read/scum-read.

How is Gyrlander's tone townie to you? I could not feel the townie vibe in the 8 words you quoted.

Hmm, good point. Also, it is strange to me that he says "Sup Mesk, just got home after flight". Why Mesk over any other individual or entity?

I don't think it's AI.
Lmao. Boy was I wrong about Unknown. I really feel like making an Unknown rant right now, but he's not in the game and it's off-topic. I'll contain my inner rage.

Well, you're being the same Calix as town!Calix from last game. I don't necessarily town-read you though especially since I do not know scum!Calix. I was a bit skeptical of your intentions for saying very very early that you town-read me. (Buddying? Get my trust?) You were probably just being genuine though. Other than that, I haven't found anything else sketchy in your posts so far. I'm inclined to null-lean-scum-read you for now.

Did you have an opinion on DarknessB's opening post?

I also despise Spruance's meta but I think it's possible to town-read Spruance. It just takes a while and you have to be...generous...about it.

It's a very weak read (again, it's Gyrlander) but he sounded flippant/ carefree and not cautious which I read as town more than not. Can easily just be him living up to his meta as well.

Good question with regards to Kovath.

Well he technically is in the game

To be perfectly honest, I don't know what my scum game is like either. I never bloody roll it these days. Recent games where I was scum include FF7 (only for D1 though), Firebringer's Improv Mafia and Illuminati??? for the sake of meta.

Just to clarify, you have a null-scum lean on me because you suspect buddying? Am I correct in assuming that?

I did not have an opinion on the post itself - it's very typical of DB to make an opening post like that. I find the lack of follow up in the thread to be more eyebrow-raising.

[Calix]

Oh boy you JUST pissed me off.

Please tell us more.

[Never Unlucky]

To be perfectly honest, I don't know what my scum game is like either. I never bloody roll it these days. Recent games where I was scum include FF7 (only for D1 though), Firebringer's Improv Mafia and Illuminati??? for the sake of meta.

Just to clarify, you have a null-scum lean on me because you suspect buddying? Am I correct in assuming that?

And AI. You didn't post a single time and got replaced.

Fuck, I meant null-lean-town, I swear. I got mixed up.