S-FM 204: Insanity

[Gyrlander]

RLVG is Jester, ML please try to recruit him.

[Unknown1234]

Honestly, if he got another leader role this setup was designed against us.

[Gyrlander]

Apparently I'm a natural leader.

[GameFreak]

Honestly, if he got another leader role this setup was designed against us.

Now i understand why they called it Insanity

[yzb25]

Taekyon has done some dodgy stuff, but I'd like to hear him reply to some reasoning levelled against him.

SP, if you could get up the things Taekyon hasn't replied to, I'll get up the reasons I found him a little dodgy from earlier.

It's basically him or me now.

[Spruance]

Can't risk lynching asylum director. Yzb and Taek don't seem scummy. Eggy is the only other person who has been voted.

-vote Eggy

[GameFreak]

On the bright side almost everybody is here so we can swing a lynch.

TDL is awfully quiet this game. Come out TDL

[yzb25]

Can't risk lynching asylum director. Yzb and Taek don't seem scummy. Eggy is the only other person who has been voted.

-vote Eggy

He's going to get replaced soon. He's not worth lynching.

[Spruance]

He's going to get replaced soon. He's not worth lynching.

And the person who claimed ML is?

[Iced_Monopoly]

reading

[yzb25]

"Why is Taekyon being so liberal with 3 shots (essentially wasting 2 through experimentation, when he may play a crucial role in purging cult).

Also, Taekyon, a player who was quite hesitant about lynching on d1 merely for information, is perfectly fine with using a finite night kill on n1 for pure information. Wouldn't you expect a player like him to be more conservative with NKs? Lol? Also, it's quite survival-focused to off SP in such a fashion, because it seems the only reason you chose him was because he had suspicion on you.

Frankly, if I was vigilante, I would have shot me or Paladin (to try to avoid a possible bitter argument for 5 days) or policy-shot an inactive like eggy, rather than kill SP for disagreeing with your play - your decision was untownlike on multiple levels. Oh well banter I guess lel :P."

[Paraphrased from before]

[ThePaladin]

HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

[Taekyon]

You guys are aware that I never really claimed Vigilante?
I gave you what my card was. I targeted SP. He did not die.
At this point, I knew I was not Vigilante (I always had my doubt since we have the Lunatic mechanic)
SP did not receive feedback, or he's hiding it. (Not trying to say SP is Sinister, just giving the possibilities)
I'll go with the plan tonight and target Spruance and hope I got a chance to get my true role because I'm not even sure I'm ML right now...
If something goes bad, I'll accept the lynch tomorrow (If no better target show up)
If I'm not converting Spruance to the Mason tonight, that mean Iced is Lunatic.
I hope BD won't fuck up this plan because it would help confirming at least 3 persons.

[Unknown1234]

HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT

[Countdown Timers Cannot be Quoted from Other Posts]

I'm scared.

[yzb25]

And the person who claimed ML is?

omg ad hominem! Debating scrub!

Tho, I have contradicted myself quite a few times about Eggy now. I'm honestly just not sure whether he'll be replaced or not - that makes me hesitant.

How inactive must one be to be replaced?

[ThePaladin]

-vote Gyrlander

Spoiler : FOLLOW HOUOUIN KYOUMA TO VICTORY :

[ThePaladin]

I'm scared.

It's a bomb.

[ThePaladin]

I can't target anyone, my dear.

Every role is allowed to specify a target cause lunatic mechanics lel.

[yzb25]

You guys are aware that I never really claimed Vigilante?
I gave you what my card was. I targeted SP. He did not die.
At this point, I knew I was not Vigilante (I always had my doubt since we have the Lunatic mechanic)
SP did not receive feedback, or he's hiding it. (Not trying to say SP is Sinister, just giving the possibilities)
I'll go with the plan tonight and target Spruance and hope I got a chance to get my true role because I'm not even sure I'm ML right now...
If something goes bad, I'll accept the lynch tomorrow (If no better target show up)
If I'm not converting Spruance to the Mason tonight, that mean Iced is Lunatic.
I hope BD won't fuck up this plan because it would help confirming at least 3 persons.

Yeah but wouldn't you still take your card seriously anyway? I mean, it's probably your card heh.

Though, your approach to your vigi card corroborates with your view throughout this game. Even if I disagree with your own view of your rolecard, I can't deny you seem to have genuinely received that rolecard.

Fuck it.

-vote Eggy

[yzb25]

Every role is allowed to specify a target cause lunatic mechanics lel.

Host, would you ask an Asylum Director / citizen for night actions, even if they're unnecessary?

[ThePaladin]

That avatar is legit, tried to find it so I could spam it to make a point but ended up finding out you probably played the vn. Was the VN worth playing even after watching the anime? I'm a read the manga, don't watch the anime / vice-versa kind of guy.

Steins Gate VN > Steins Gate Anime. There's a video on youtube of the true end in the visual novel and the anime cuts some fairly important stuff out and does indirect censoring of stuff as well.

There's certain parts I would recommend reading through but some of it feels like it drags on too much.

Avatar is from Steins Gate 0. I've read through some of it but don't have an actual copy yet ..... Steins gate 0 >>> Steins Gate, though.
SG0 is supposed to have an english release this year for ps4/vita already has a jpn release for ps3/4/vita and is supposed to get a pc jpn release sometime. It also has been greenlit for an anime but no eta.

[secondpassing]

Taekyon has done some dodgy stuff, but I'd like to hear him reply to some reasoning levelled against him.

SP, if you could get up the things Taekyon hasn't replied to, I'll get up the reasons I found him a little dodgy from earlier.

It's basically him or me now.

Reposted with highlights


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post624563
Day 1 case, secondpassing
Main points:
1) Taekyon attempts to appear town, but he only replies when others are on
2) Lurked after he gained some town credibility (my eyes)
3) Attacked players opinions (without offering any new ones of his own)

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post625001
Day 1 response, Taekyon
1) Taekyon [I] keep my browser open
2) "Also, your suspicion on me are based on a gut read I made of some people, early in the game, without any valid info."
-> my counter, never iterated until now: False, you didn't even make a gut read.
3) Ignored point 2,3


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post625322
Day 2 case, secondpassing
1) Taekyon shot his "gut town read" -> Kyon: I always had my suspicion of you -> sp: more than your scum reads? when did you have this suspicion?
2) He gives no reads until prompted
3) Wants another night to confirm (he's pretty much confirmed NOT vigilante)

[Gyrlander]

ThePaladin, do you remember when I asked what would happen if the Assylum Director was a SK Lunatic and therefore couldn't kill because he doesn't have to target anyone?

DW answered something like "let's hope that doesn't happen". Implying I was absolutely correct.

All players that are voting me after I claimed are getting incredibly scummy for me.

[ThePaladin]

Host, would you ask an Asylum Director / citizen for night actions, even if they're unnecessary?

citizen rolecard specifically states that they can visit, so they must submit i think.

[Unknown1234]

I don't want to vote yzb or Taekyon.

[ThePaladin]

ThePaladin, do you remember when I asked what would happen if the Assylum Director was a SK Lunatic and therefore couldn't kill because he doesn't have to target anyone?

DW answered something like "let's hope that doesn't happen". Implying I was absolutely correct.

All players that are voting me after I claimed are getting incredibly scummy for me.

This was his post

For the sake of this situation not happening, all players should be capable of targeting someone else at night.

You might not be sk if you recieved that role but you could still be faking that role, which is what most of us are saying I believe.

[ThePaladin]

Steins Gate VN > Steins Gate Anime. There's a video on youtube of the true end in the visual novel and the anime cuts some fairly important stuff out and does indirect censoring of stuff as well.

There's certain parts I would recommend reading through but some of it feels like it drags on too much.

Avatar is from Steins Gate 0. I've read through some of it but don't have an actual copy yet ..... Steins gate 0 >>> Steins Gate, though.
SG0 is supposed to have an english release this year for ps4/vita already has a jpn release for ps3/4/vita and is supposed to get a pc jpn release sometime. It also has been greenlit for an anime but no eta.

Also if you are interested in the scientific theories, they are discussed much more in depth in the vn.

[ThePaladin]

I don't want to vote yzb or Taekyon.

Conveniently you can keep your vote on gyrlander.

[Gyrlander]

So you take the risk of lynching the Assylum Director when no one is CCing me. Good job.

[yzb25]

This was his post



You might not be sk if you recieved that role but you could still be faking that role, which is what most of us are saying I believe.

Yes but it's a matter of whether he has to actually submit night actions. Because the host probably wouldn't give a shit and would mark him as no-visit, just like Gyrlander heh.

[ThePaladin]

So you take the risk of lynching the Assylum Director when no one is CCing me. Good job.

Did host say asylum staff can be lunatics?

[Gyrlander]

Did host say asylum staff can be lunatics?

Yep

[GameFreak]

voting eggy is not the way to go here.

I'm looking at Paladin atm.

shame i wast here to hammer him yesterday but thats the game.

[ThePaladin]

Yep

Then I suspect the asylum director or whatever his name is, is probably a lunatic.

[ThePaladin]

voting eggy is not the way to go here.

I'm looking at Paladin atm.

shame i wast here to hammer him yesterday but thats the game.

Please no Paladin Trains at 1hour mark.

They never end well.

[Gyrlander]

Then I suspect the asylum director or whatever his name is, is probably a lunatic.

It is the same chance for everyone. Just keep trying to get me lynched by all ways.

[ThePaladin]

It is the same chance for everyone. Just keep trying to get me lynched by all ways.

Actuall host said he wouldn't reveal if lunatics/roles were handpicked or rnged.

[Gyrlander]

Actuall host said he wouldn't reveal if lunatics/roles were handpicked or rnged.

Handpicking is for fucking dicks so they probably didn't do it.

[ThePaladin]

Handpicking is for fucking dicks so they probably didn't do it.

Pretty Sure DW is known for handpicking to a degree.

[ThePaladin]

Plus some roles becomes useless if stuff isn't handpicked

such as the counselor death mechanic

[Gyrlander]

Still, THE RISK IS ENOUGH TO MAKE IT OBVIOUS THAT LYNCHING ME IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

I was going to say "hey, let's lynch this guy" but now I feel he can be Jester too. ThePaladin and RLVG scum mates?

[yzb25]

Still, THE RISK IS ENOUGH TO MAKE IT OBVIOUS THAT LYNCHING ME IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

I was going to say "hey, let's lynch this guy" but now I feel he can be Jester too. ThePaladin and RLVG scum mates?

Omg don't bring this up again.

The checkers... arrghh... the trauma...

[ThePaladin]

Still, THE RISK IS ENOUGH TO MAKE IT OBVIOUS THAT LYNCHING ME IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

I was going to say "hey, let's lynch this guy" but now I feel he can be Jester too. ThePaladin and RLVG scum mates?

Yes i am jester king and RLVg is my jester buddy.

Awww SHUCKS, WE WERE FOUND OUT.

Spoiler : Really m8 :

[ThePaladin]

Still, THE RISK IS ENOUGH TO MAKE IT OBVIOUS THAT LYNCHING ME IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

I was going to say "hey, let's lynch this guy" but now I feel he can be Jester too. ThePaladin and RLVG scum mates?

Anyone can claim asylum director.

Asylum director is probably a lunatic.

If all you had to do to not get lynched was claim Asylum Director then this is easiest game ever for scum.

[Gyrlander]

Anyone can claim asylum director.

Asylum director is probably a lunatic.

If all you had to do to not get lynched was claim Asylum Director then this is easiest game ever for scum.

Someone is supposed to CC if you're Assylum Director. Stop playing like a retard, please. It is so easy to counter what you say.

[Iced_Monopoly]

50 minutes.
Im not moving my vote to Gyr or eggy. We have a potential AD and a lurker probably getting replaced, both are bad candidates for a lynch. I can confirm myself as (non)lunatic with a taek lynch, and yzb train seems less, so im moving my vote.

-vote Taekyon

[Unknown1234]

RLVG said ThePaladin didn't have sinister motives.

[yzb25]

Anyone can claim asylum director.

Asylum director is probably a lunatic.

If all you had to do to not get lynched was claim Asylum Director then this is easiest game ever for scum.

Dude, if you claim AD as scum, you fuck your chances of winning long term, even if you screw town as well.

It only makes sense to claim such a role as Exe or Jester King

[ThePaladin]

Someone is supposed to CC if you're Assylum Director. Stop playing like a retard, please. It is so easy to counter what you say.

What part of

ASYLUM DIRECTOR IS MOST LIKELY A LUNATIC AKA DOESN'T KNOW THEY ARE AN ASYLUM DIRECTOR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

[ThePaladin]

Dude, if you claim AD as scum, you fuck your chances of winning long term, even if you screw town as well.

It only makes sense to claim such a role as Exe or Jester King

Actually no.

Asylum director only confirms alignment.

The asylum counselor would have to visit the asylum director for the asylum director to know.

So if you are in a position where gyrlander is[pratically guaranteed to be lynched] claiming asylum director is probably the best benifit/risk gambit for scum.