M-FM Overwatch

[M-FM Roadhog]

You keep trying to explain it away as "missing a detail"

But you didn't "miss a detail" - you got the complete opposite impression of what actually happened.

That doesn't come out of nowhere. Which posts gave you that impression?

Mei was not a deep read, and you're asking me to find a post where I might have gotten a factually incorrect impression from.

Go digging for your fantasy posts yourself if you're so concerned.

[M-FM Tracer]

Mei was not a deep read, and you're asking me to find a post where I might have gotten a factually incorrect impression from.

Go digging for your fantasy posts yourself if you're so concerned.

Mei wasn't a deep read yet he is one of your few town reads/ leans? Seems careless and I don't follow, especially given your remarks on his unwarranted level of confidence in his scum reads, etc.

As far as I am concerned, I have made my point perfectly clear. No point putting in MORE effort when your posts speak for themselves.

What are you actually doing right now?

[M-FM Symmetra]

Hey, if you have zero intention of voting Roadhog, can you stop the bitchfighting? I want to see how others respond to Roadhog's reads.

Reinhardt's reads do NOT match up with mine at all. Having minor suspicions of Roadhog and Hanzo does not make either a scumread. Tor has been a townread for awhile.

I don't know how much I believe Roadhog and Reinhardt missed Lucio's claim Day 2. These are things that need investigating. You are NOT helping with that.

[M-FM Symmetra]

Roadhog, when did you sub in? Just day/apx time works.

[M-FM Symmetra]

i think it's very obvious due to my participation that I'm not all that into this game, really my reads are based off previous things that have been said earlier in this game and not now, I'm not reading what symetra or whatever the fuck her name name is says about me. Lucio visit Hanzo Night 1, I confirmed that a long time ago, Lucio said Hanzo came up scum... use your fucking head why would i push a scum if I'm scum

I have nothing to defend nor hide

Why rolefish Mei when she's not on your scumreads?

[M-FM Symmetra]

I don't scum-read Soldier as strongly after a reread, given that my Mei/ Mercy/ Soldier idea is bullshit in retrospect and there's no consistent scum narrative for his actions, just a list of dubious shit he's done.

Mei is also not a scum-read for me anymore. But I will get to that.

Hmph.

[M-FM Roadhog]

Roadhog, when did you sub in? Just day/apx time works.

I subbed in sometime during N1. Didn't have much time, so I looked at the last page, saw someone had a guide on what mode to vote for, followed it, and then went to bed. I don't recall when I came on D2, but I was spending a lot of D2 simply trying to read D1. If you want more exact times, just check my earlier D2 posts. (or all of them; I don't think I made too many) I posted in the thread basically every time I read it.

[M-FM Symmetra]

@Hanzo, where do you stand on your reads?

@Roadhog, No thoughts on pretty wittle me? Have some readvme oats. They're for gut reading.

[M-FM Symmetra]

Oh and Junkrat, I am underwhelmed with your scumhunting thus far today.

[M-FM Hanzo]

Right now I am currently leaning on Zenyatta/Mei (already explained)
My other two I suspect to be JunkRat and Bastion, which i haven't entirely explained yet. If there is only 4, I would lean on JunkRat.

Although I do find it suspicious that Roadhog is only bringing my guilty check now, right at this moment when there is so much conflict going on. It makes me feel like he could be stirring up chaos, but I never originally found him too scummy.

Reinhardt jumping on my train is odd, but I don't really find it terribly scummy because it makes sense why the sheriff check is a somewhat good reason to vote me. I know I'm town, but if they want to lynch me to show them that then it's perfectly fine with me.

Tracer&Zarya are likely not scum, I haven't found anything scummy related with Zarya. I know their wall post was lacking in answers on certain people, but I don't consider that a scum-tell. I just find it laziness. Tracer has been explained.

You don't really fit into a scum-team, which is why I think you aren't scum. I agree with how you are attempting to lynch players, and it makes sense why you would want to lynch Zenyatta>Mei. Of course i may not agree but I can see where you're coming from.

Solider, I don't even remember this player today. They've said like, 6 things? I'll have to look into them. I thought they were heavily scummy day 1 but it lessened throughout Day 2 (or 3 I don't remember)

McCree is really dumb/a troll for giving me a vest. I don't really see how their play comes across as scummy, winless you consider them scummy for sheeping votes and not taking sides. Other then that I wouldn't say they are too scummy.

Torbjorn started off scummy, then based on what they did (vote track, game mode deciding) I thought they were more town later on. Today they've done nothing really, so I'm not sure how I feel about them. They've changed their mind a lot, and just agreed to vote on Zenyatta the mutual agreement.

Now I guess it really depends on Winston flipping town (95% they will because of fake gun and how they reacted) but i would say the people I picked above for a scum team. I'm not very confident with this, but there are definitely a lot of scummy things said from them.

I'd like to talk more about JunkRat and how he said "PL on Tracer is a good thing, and I'll tell you when the games done" I want him/her to answer this.

[M-FM Hanzo]

It's not a lot, but it's my overall opinion at this moment. Still a little sleepy so there's more room for adding details.

[M-FM Torbjorn]

I subbed in sometime during N1. Didn't have much time, so I looked at the last page, saw someone had a guide on what mode to vote for, followed it, and then went to bed. I don't recall when I came on D2, but I was spending a lot of D2 simply trying to read D1. If you want more exact times, just check my earlier D2 posts. (or all of them; I don't think I made too many) I posted in the thread basically every time I read it.

going to Town slot you for this

-vote fm zenyata

idk why this hanzo thing is coming up now when we have a swordsmith giving fake swords out. for that alone, she needs to 'eat rope' as you guys call it

[M-FM Torbjorn]

going to Town slot you for this

-vote fm zenyata

idk why this hanzo thing is coming up now when we have a swordsmith giving fake swords out. for that alone, she needs to 'eat rope' as you guys call it

fuck you torb

-vote m-fm zenyatta

[M-FM Tracer]

going to Town slot you for this

-vote fm zenyata

idk why this hanzo thing is coming up now when we have a swordsmith giving fake swords out. for that alone, she needs to 'eat rope' as you guys call it

Question. What motivation do you think scum would have at this point to claim Swordsmith after it's proven that a Swordsmith gave out a fake sword?

[M-FM Torbjorn]

idg why bastion was asking for role claims and why he claimed investigative.

[M-FM Torbjorn]

Question. What motivation do you think scum would have at this point to claim Swordsmith after it's proven that a Swordsmith gave out a fake sword?

bad scum? this argument is like an ugly cousin of 'too scummy to be scum'

[M-FM Tracer]

bad scum? this argument is like an ugly cousin of 'too scummy to be scum'

What I was getting at is that it's intentional.

I am not arguing Zenyatta is town in any respects. I am arguing that he is putting on a show of being scummy on purpose. There is no reason for any scum - flailing or otherwise - to claim their role like that or make those troll reads.

That just isn't how scum flail to me.

[M-FM Torbjorn]

tracer, are you more afraid of mei's role or presence?

[M-FM Tracer]

tracer, are you more afraid of mei's role or presence?

The latter.

To go off on a slight tangent here, you may recall how Roadhog made an error when town-reading Mei. He claimed that Mei (the first person to accuse Pharah) of defending her. It makes me think that the scum are banking their hopes on Mei (the most town-read person among my scum-reads) not being lynched and having just enough towncred to pull off...however many mislynches town needs. The fact that Zenyatta (scum lynchbait) has voted for Mei reinforces this theory.

I expect that you'll take this with a pinch of salt, however.

[M-FM Soldier 76]

-vote M-FM Hanzo

Lucio said Hanzo came up scum, I think the train should be on a confirmed scum.


Town is probably everyone but Hanzo, Trobjorn and Zarya/Zenyetta.

Hanzo is confirmed scum by sheriff
Trobjorn and his fluffy content and lack of detail show he's trying to keep an open mind to be able to keep flow of the game
Hanzo won't vote Zenyetta or Zarya, which ever one he's giving excuses for is his partner...

This is an absolutely shit post. Congrats for rising from null to scum.

We've been through this sheriff guilty -> bulletproof claim. Sure, if we don't have any leads in day chat, we could lynch Hanzo on the sole reasoning of sheriff guilty.

But right now, with still many scummy players to consider, voting Hanzo without giving any other reason aside from sheriff guilty is a terrible town play.

[M-FM Soldier 76]

-vote M-FM Hanzo

Lucio said Hanzo came up scum, I think the train should be on a confirmed scum.


Town is probably everyone but Hanzo, Trobjorn and Zarya/Zenyetta.

Hanzo is confirmed scum by sheriff
Trobjorn and his fluffy content and lack of detail show he's trying to keep an open mind to be able to keep flow of the game
Hanzo won't vote Zenyetta or Zarya, which ever one he's giving excuses for is his partner...

Also why the fuck do you keep saying 'confirmed scum'. You don't even seem to consider the possibility of Hanzo actually being a bulletproof.

[M-FM Soldier 76]

What I was getting at is that it's intentional.

I am not arguing Zenyatta is town in any respects. I am arguing that he is putting on a show of being scummy on purpose. There is no reason for any scum - flailing or otherwise - to claim their role like that or make those troll reads.

That just isn't how scum flail to me.

Eh, Zenyatta has been scummy since like day 1. Not really sure that he's intentionally diverting a lynch away from Mei.

Nor should you be so worried about Mei surviving this day really. We could always revisit him tomorrow. Have some trust that the rest of the town is also capable of scumhunting...

[M-FM Soldier 76]

idg why bastion was asking for role claims and why he claimed investigative.

Yea its kinda difficult to read because there's always the possibility of 'WIFOM IM TRIPLE CIT TRYING TO TAKE A BULLET LOLOLOLOL'

But the way bastion's going on about it gives off town vibes. It's not just about what he did but also about how he did it. That's what separate Reinhardt from Bastion. Wish I could express this clearer

[M-FM Tracer]

Eh, Zenyatta has been scummy since like day 1. Not really sure that he's intentionally diverting a lynch away from Mei.

Nor should you be so worried about Mei surviving this day really. We could always revisit him tomorrow. Have some trust that the rest of the town is also capable of scumhunting...

Even by Zenyatta's standards, of which are non-existent, this is too blatant and shitty for me to dismiss as "flailing scum" without a second thought.

I've repeated this point a dozen times so here's an invitation to move onto something new instead of treading old ground. I rarely get to talk directly with you, after all.

[M-FM Soldier 76]

The latter.

To go off on a slight tangent here, you may recall how Roadhog made an error when town-reading Mei. He claimed that Mei (the first person to accuse Pharah) of defending her. It makes me think that the scum are banking their hopes on Mei (the most town-read person among my scum-reads) not being lynched and having just enough towncred to pull off...however many mislynches town needs. The fact that Zenyatta (scum lynchbait) has voted for Mei reinforces this theory.

I expect that you'll take this with a pinch of salt, however.

Being a player who you could call lazy, I think that some of your reads are misplaced because you assume everyone show the same degree of effort and commitment to the game as yourself (which is ridiculously high and I can appreciate that). But mistakes like the one Roadhog did can just simply be due to a honest misread.

Say you're a player like me, who can't bother with reading and rereading the entire thread with detail. You form reads based on what you feel other player's are trying to accomplish in general. It's hard to nitpick into specifics and even contradictory errors may occur.

There's simply not enough scum motivation on Roadhog that I can see and agree on right now.

[M-FM Soldier 76]

Even by Zenyatta's standards, of which are non-existent, this is too blatant and shitty for me to dismiss as "flailing scum" without a second thought.

I've repeated this point a dozen times so here's an invitation to move onto something new instead of treading old ground. I rarely get to talk directly with you, after all.

We can unanimously agree that Zenyatta is scum. So hitting a confirmed scum is the best option in my book.

You may read Mei as confirmed scum but obviously not everyone does so. Not as much as Zenyatta definitely.

Also please don't repeat the process of convincing everyone how Mei is confirmed scum again, those posts are extremely difficult to comprehend and that's probably why players like junkrat (if im right with my town read at least) hates you lol.

[M-FM Tracer]

Being a player who you could call lazy, I think that some of your reads are misplaced because you assume everyone show the same degree of effort and commitment to the game as yourself (which is ridiculously high and I can appreciate that). But mistakes like the one Roadhog did can just simply be due to a honest misread.

Say you're a player like me, who can't bother with reading and rereading the entire thread with detail. You form reads based on what you feel other player's are trying to accomplish in general. It's hard to nitpick into specifics and even contradictory errors may occur.

There's simply not enough scum motivation on Roadhog that I can see and agree on right now.

I don't expect people to be as committed as I am. I'm on summer holiday, don't have a standard 9-to-5 job, do a lot of work on my laptop to begin with, and I get all of my work done in the morning while everyone else is asleep so I am often around.

I have to disagree on Roadhog not having an agenda with his posts. (e.g., the odd mention of the Hanzo Sheriff check - something that he SHOULD know about because he read Day 3)

I would have to case him properly to show you what I mean though.

In any case, I will be fighting against a Hanzo lynch tooth and nail. Just a reminder for anyone who reads this ;)

[M-FM Tracer]

We can unanimously agree that Zenyatta is scum. So hitting a confirmed scum is the best option in my book.

You may read Mei as confirmed scum but obviously not everyone does so. Not as much as Zenyatta definitely.

Also please don't repeat the process of convincing everyone how Mei is confirmed scum again, those posts are extremely difficult to comprehend and that's probably why players like junkrat (if im right with my town read at least) hates you lol.

I wouldn't say that it's a read on Mei that does that. Zenyatta is obvious scum, no need to discuss that part.

Question. How do you still town-read Junkrat? His contribution has changed from "Tracer is obvscum, pls lynch" to "Tracer is the town retard, pls lynch" - he has not shown any desire to scum-hunt.

[M-FM Soldier 76]

I don't expect people to be as committed as I am. I'm on summer holiday, don't have a standard 9-to-5 job, do a lot of work on my laptop to begin with, and I get all of my work done in the morning while everyone else is asleep so I am often around.

I have to disagree on Roadhog not having an agenda with his posts. (e.g., the odd mention of the Hanzo Sheriff check - something that he SHOULD know about because he read Day 3)

I would have to case him properly to show you what I mean though.

In any case, I will be fighting against a Hanzo lynch tooth and nail. Just a reminder for anyone who reads this ;)

Kinda hard to believe when you make wall posts that are actually detailed and showed you read clearly

Yeah, but I think it makes more sense for him to honestly just read that instead of a scum roadhog trying to bring the point up now.

I also disagree against lynching Hanzo from the sheriff result alone. But why do you read Hanzo strongly as town? I haven't paid much attention to him tbh

[M-FM Soldier 76]

I wouldn't say that it's a read on Mei that does that. Zenyatta is obvious scum, no need to discuss that part.

Question. How do you still town-read Junkrat? His contribution has changed from "Tracer is obvscum, pls lynch" to "Tracer is the town retard, pls lynch" - he has not shown any desire to scum-hunt.

He's a really shitty town that's still shitty town. He spent like the entire day 2 refuting your posts and then like got pissed off that you're town after the flip. Reading his posts, you'll get the feeling of honesty (like, he maintained the aggresion instead of obviously fake aggresion by Zenyatta early day 2 when he responded to me).

The way he say 'i contribute, concisely' and 'this is how i play' are strong town tells because they support what he's actually saying and doing ^

He's also trying to figure out the scum team. Yes, read lists are easy for scum to make, but see Zenyatta and Reinhardt who never make read lists but focus on one player

[M-FM Soldier 76]

@M-FM Tracer also, where do you currently stand on McCree. Been reading him as scum ever since day 2 and he hasn't post enough to reverse it. Also still a bit odd about his night actions

[M-FM Soldier 76]

Before I go to bed, I'm currently standing at Zenyatta+Reinhardt. The rest of the scum may be from Hanzo/McCree. The rest are strong enough town reads for me. Weakest town read is Zarya and one that I may consider later on.

[M-FM Soldier 76]

Before I go to bed, I'm currently standing at Zenyatta+Reinhardt. The rest of the scum may be from Hanzo/McCree. The rest are strong enough town reads for me. Weakest town read is Zarya and one that I may consider later on.

Oh, and include mei into Hanzo/McCree/Mei

Also @M-FM Tracer what do you think of zarya and symmettra's case

[M-FM Tracer]

Kinda hard to believe when you make wall posts that are actually detailed and showed you read clearly

Yeah, but I think it makes more sense for him to honestly just read that instead of a scum roadhog trying to bring the point up now.

I also disagree against lynching Hanzo from the sheriff result alone. But why do you read Hanzo strongly as town? I haven't paid much attention to him tbh

I don't see how your response links to what I said about my RL.

This point against Roadhog would make ten times more sense if we had another scum flip today. Literally any scum but Zenyatta would be better. Zenyatta's flip tells us nothing because he has given us nothing. Junkrat/ Mei/ Roadhog will help everyone see what I see because I will have the posts and agendas of two CONFIRMED scum on my side.

He's a really shitty town that's still shitty town. He spent like the entire day 2 refuting your posts and then like got pissed off that you're town after the flip. Reading his posts, you'll get the feeling of honesty (like, he maintained the aggresion instead of obviously fake aggresion by Zenyatta early day 2 when he responded to me).

The way he say 'i contribute, concisely' and 'this is how i play' are strong town tells because they support what he's actually saying and doing ^

He's also trying to figure out the scum team. Yes, read lists are easy for scum to make, but see Zenyatta and Reinhardt who never make read lists but focus on one player

Why is a feeling of honesty a town tell for you? Why could those points not just be him describing his play style? This seems as flawed as town-reading me for posting a lot

Zenyatta is scum and I am biased by Reinhardt's COM. She was also overwhelmed by the sheer amount of posts in Mafia Wars II which I know you've read.

I disagree that he is trying to figure out the teams as he has said nothing about associations. His D3 scum reads were simply players who voted for Widowmaker and he has given no more than two words for a scum read (save for myself) the entire game.

The fact that he remembered the exact wording for his Zenyatta "scum read" (the OMG scum read - whatever that means) is also odd and feels like he wanted players to remember that he had scum-read Zenyatta earlier for association purposes - he is clearly keeping tabs on what he posts instead of posting naturally.

[M-FM Torbjorn]

what do you think of mccree, zarya, and symmettra's case soldier?

i still think mccree is also town for that initial 'i didnt know to vote' thing.

[M-FM Tracer]

@M-FM Tracer also, where do you currently stand on McCree. Been reading him as scum ever since day 2 and he hasn't post enough to reverse it. Also still a bit odd about his night actions

Moronic town. I found Zarya's argument on the way he white-knighted Reaper to be convincing enough to change my read on him. (see Zarya's LW)

Still, he is claiming to be a Town Blacksmith in the same mode that Genji was a Blacksmith in. He also gave a vest to Hanzo (Bulletproof) who the scum are trying to lynch.

Oh, and include mei into Hanzo/McCree/Mei

Also @M-FM Tracer what do you think of zarya and symmettra's case

What case exactly?

[M-FM Torbjorn]

mccree claimed armorsmith, if i remember correctly.

[M-FM McCree]

Enough people agree Zenyatta is scum I honestly don't know why he only has 3 votes... Tracer seriously people are not going to vote Mei today and if you believe Zenyatta is scum then just vote him. This day has been dragging on.

[M-FM Symmetra]

I'm actually second guessing that.

I feel road dog v Hanzo must be resolved prior to lylo. A guilty Sherriff claim cannot reach that point unless obviously town. Road dog and Hanzo do not sound t v t but both have things that are NOT quite right about them.

This setup also seems ridonkulously overpowered too. I am not getting this at all.

[M-FM Symmetra]

@M-FM Tracer , are you open to a Roaddog Reinhardt team?

[M-FM Symmetra]

what do you think of mccree, zarya, and symmettra's case soldier?

i still think mccree is also town for that initial 'i didnt know to vote' thing.

Umm what? Saying Zarya and I share a case is a little wierd.

I'm going to go pick up trash and repair my car with it.

[M-FM Torbjorn]

Umm what? Saying Zarya and I share a case is a little wierd.

I'm going to go pick up trash and repair my car with it.

oh that's not what i meant by case, i meant just what alignment he's placing the lot of you

[M-FM Hanzo]

I'm actually second guessing that.

I feel road dog v Hanzo must be resolved prior to lylo. A guilty Sherriff claim cannot reach that point unless obviously town. Road dog and Hanzo do not sound t v t but both have things that are NOT quite right about them.

This setup also seems ridonkulously overpowered too. I am not getting this at all.

This is such a weird post.

Why are you suggesting a 1v1 between me and Road Hog? There is no reason to assume we can't both be town aside from him being skeptical about my claim (which is reasonable)

Why do you say there is something "NOT quite right about them" aren't we both from your town-pool? If not then why the sudden change?

[M-FM Symmetra]

I am in a weird place with the two of you. Individually, you both read town. Collectively, I think one of you almost certainly is scum. That's an inconsistent position in my own head, which I want to resolve.

There's plenty of reason to assume this one v one is alignment related. First, timing. The timing seems very alignment indicative. Either Roadhog is town and pushing a genuine belief that you're scum, he's scum saving a buddy by starting a wagon on you that had zero chance earlier, or he's scum pushing for a hopeless wagon to divide attention. I don't think Roadhog busses like this here and now.

Reinhardt's vote on you is interesting to. He votes here without a case. Again, suggests genuine belief, diversion, or bussing to deter me from joining. Since I don't think there's a genuine thing about Reinhardt, that leaves me with diversion or bussing.

In the diversion scenario, Reinhardt joins his buddy to draw attention to another mislynch they absolutely need. In the bus to divert, he's playing on the fact I scumread you to deter me from joining.

T v T is possible, but I would expect a lot more scum fueling it. I am not seeing that.

[M-FM Symmetra]

Both read as mostly town.

[M-FM Symmetra]

Tor, I am doubting mcree for ~reasons~.

[M-FM Symmetra]

Based on wagon behavior, Mei v Zayatta looks t v t.

[M-FM McCree]

So basically symmetra is either scum or a dumbass lmao. Not really sure why Tracer assumes you're town but since you're a replacement I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

[M-FM Torbjorn]

If I don't see a zenyatta lynch happening today, I want zenyatta gunning me with a real gun, and I'll be voting Mei

@zenyatta good?

[M-FM Torbjorn]

ALSO, symmetra:
tracer wagon yesterday:

M-FM Roadhog, M-FM Mei, M-FM Widowmaker, M-FM Junkrat, M-FM Symmetra, M-FM Zenyatta, (Torbjorn)

There's no way scum isn't here.

taking off zenyatta and mei (TVT scenario), yourself, widowmaker leaves

Roadhog and Junkrat and me.

Scum has to be probably 2, and I'm not voting roadhog.