I am Foxtrot

[Firebringer]

I am FM Foxtrot, its true. I was playing on two accounts guys. Pls forgive me.

#IamFoxtrot

[Sino]

^ PL him every game from now on.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Hi, I'm solid snake. I have FOXDIE in my body v(o.o(<

[Quick]

You know this encourages the real Foxtrot not to show himself... But I love it all the same. LOL

[Sino]

You know this encourages the real Foxtrot not to show himself... But I love it all the same. LOL

New fm game : figure out the real identity of Foxtrot

[Quick]

New fm game : figure out the real identity of Foxtrot

The manhunt starts..

[Sino]

The manhunt starts..

@BananaCucho will give a $10 000 reward to whoever succeeds

[Firebringer]

@BananaCucho will give a $10 000 reward to whoever succeeds

We are pretty sure we know who it is anyways.

[Yukitaka Oni]

A.lpha
B.ravo
C.harlie
D.elta
F.oxtrot
Lol.....

[Quick]

[Brendan]

I might have to tell if I receive a pizza.

[Sino]

We are all Foxtrot

[Quick]

We are all Foxtrot

There's a Foxtrot in all of us.

[Elixir]

I broke the dam.

[Frozen Angel]

that poor ally

why you lied darling

[Klingoncelt]

I am Groot.

[BananaCucho]

@powerofdeath

Still haven't explained why you did it mate

[Unknown1234]

Everyone should lay off powerofdeath gosh, everyone played crappy, especially me. Let's all make fun of Papa instead for failing to hammer someone too!

Support @powerofdeath

[Voss]

Everyone should lay off powerofdeath gosh
Support @powerofdeath

this.

[Kovath]

If he wants to talk more about it, there's a discussion that can be productive I think.

Otherwise, we should just move on I think.

[BananaCucho]

I don't support game throwing.

[Unknown1234]

That's not considered game throwing.

[BananaCucho]

That's not considered game throwing.

We've been over this. Until @powerofdeath explains how it wasn't game throwing, it was absolutely a throw as it caused his faction to lose.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

We've been over this. Until @powerofdeath explains how it wasn't game throwing, it was absolutely a throw as it caused his faction to lose.

So this foxtrot person faked sheriff and lynched someone the same alignment as him?

I didn't follow the game, but it can be beneficial depending on the circumstances. My fake sheriff claim on a town ended up solving the charmander game for my slot based on the reactions of other players. Did his fake claim happen during mylo or just put town further behind?

[Kovath]

So this foxtrot person faked sheriff and lynched someone the same alignment as him?

I didn't follow the game, but it can be beneficial depending on the circumstances. My fake sheriff claim on a town ended up solving the charmander game for my slot based on the reactions of other players. Did his fake claim happen during mylo or just put town further behind?

Town was already super boned, and then we got even more boned because no one wanted to lynch lurkers and most of the scum was lurking

[DarknessB]

So this foxtrot person faked sheriff and lynched someone the same alignment as him?

I didn't follow the game, but it can be beneficial depending on the circumstances. My fake sheriff claim on a town ended up solving the charmander game for my slot based on the reactions of other players. Did his fake claim happen during mylo or just put town further behind?

LOL, of course you would find this to be pro-town play given you pulled a similar stunt in Charmander -- fake-claiming Sheriff and getting the actual Sheriff mislynched. That's almost never a good play either, and I don't think Charmander was an exception despite the game's outcome.

[BananaCucho]

So this foxtrot person faked sheriff and lynched someone the same alignment as him?

I didn't follow the game, but it can be beneficial depending on the circumstances. My fake sheriff claim on a town ended up solving the charmander game for my slot based on the reactions of other players. Did his fake claim happen during mylo or just put town further behind?

He didn't fake sheriff. He WAS a sheriff and faked a guilty that led to his team being eliminated.

[Quick]

He didn't fake sheriff. He WAS a sheriff and faked a guilty that led to his team being eliminated.

20 posts and counting. Then you get to be an evil overlord.

[Kovath]

He didn't fake sheriff. He WAS a sheriff and faked a guilty that led to his team being eliminated.

Part of it was bad luck, though, wasn't it? I don't remember too much of the earlier days since I replaced in relatively late, but he like... chose one of the exact lurkers among like 5-8 or something that was actually a town LOL RIP

[Calix]

I've seen many town players fake a guilty on a scum read in an attempt to garner credibility/ votes.

It's a dumb move and almost-always backfires from my experience, but I wouldn't go as far as to call it game-throwing if that was the case here.

[Kovath]

I've seen many town players fake a guilty on a scum read in an attempt to garner credibility/ votes.

It's a dumb move and almost-always backfires from my experience, but I wouldn't go as far as to call it game-throwing if that was the case here.

It's one of those kinds of moves that's genius if it works right and dumb as hell when it doesn't, which is 'most of the time' :P

[DarknessB]

It's one of those kinds of moves that's genius if it works right and dumb as hell when it doesn't, which is 'most of the time' :P

Pretty much this -- we had the same thought in different posts.

[Calix]

It's one of those kinds of moves that's genius if it works right and dumb as hell when it doesn't, which is 'most of the time' :P

The problem is that everyone thinks they fall into the "genius" category.

When they read these types of things happening, they never think it applies to them and their SICK READS GUISE. They are too good to ever make mistakes.

Case in point, Duck claiming his fake-Sheriff claim helped solve the game. (hint: it got the real Sheriff mislynched and wasted an entire day of chat)

[Kovath]

The problem is that everyone thinks they fall into the "genius" category.

When they read these types of things happening, they never think it applies to them and their SICK READS GUISE. They are too good to ever make mistakes.

Case in point, Duck claiming his fake-Sheriff claim helped solve the game. (hint: it got the real Sheriff mislynched and wasted an entire day of chat)

I always assume that people think through things really thoroughly when they do a gambit, then I usually find out that was a bad assumption to make...

[Calix]

I always assume that people think through things really thoroughly when they do a gambit, then I usually find out that was a bad assumption to make...

Was FB's Manager fake-claim that traumatising for you, or are you referring to off-site experiences?

[DarknessB]

The problem is that everyone thinks they fall into the "genius" category.

When they read these types of things happening, they never think it applies to them and their SICK READS GUISE. They are too good to ever make mistakes.

Case in point, Duck claiming his fake-Sheriff claim helped solve the game. (hint: it got the real Sheriff mislynched and wasted an entire day of chat)

Pretty much, it's not worth these desperation plays because they usually backfire. None of us are so special that we are exception to that rule. Play the percentages and don't try to be a hero when the downside is screwing over your faction.

[Quick]

Pretty much, it's not worth these desperation plays because they usually backfire. None of us are so special that we are exception to that rule. Play the percentages and don't try to be a hero when the downside is screwing over your faction.

After reading @Helz guide (which I think is a really great one), I believe there is plenty that one can do to stir things up to get a read on someone. That said, using this guide would mean you would know when it is and is not appropriate to pull a gambit to assess someone's alignment. Giving a read for a weak reason is just not strong enough sometimes, I think; doesn't quite have the same kinda punch that a gambit does. So while gambits can be a powerful tool, its not recommended for most setups/players.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

The problem is that everyone thinks they fall into the "genius" category.

When they read these types of things happening, they never think it applies to them and their SICK READS GUISE. They are too good to ever make mistakes.

Case in point, Duck claiming his fake-Sheriff claim helped solve the game. (hint: it got the real Sheriff mislynched and wasted an entire day of chat)

This is false. My claim had nothing to do with the real sheriff getting lynched. The real sheriff came out at an odd time and with a check on their only town read and not their mafia read which looked like a culted cop.

My fake check on sparknuts DID solve the game, you can't say otherwise.... It confirmed sparknuts as town, and slaol as cult with morp and keiichi. The day chat is what helped link everyone. When town is headed in the wrong direction it is easier to get them to listen if you claim a PR. Saying I am VT, but trust my reads is more difficult than saying I am sheriff, I have a red check. @Calix you read the situation completely wrong. It is not about claiming a red check blindly based on never making mistakes, but gaining information and steering town back in the correct direction. Depending how the player reacts you either hold or rescind the claim. In many cases lynching a town is not even a bad thing if you get enough information out of it to solve the game, but good players will usually know when to rescind.

Also, if firebringer was the singer his manager fake claim would have been genius. The manager would have been able to roleswap with the singer and thus auto win the game.

[Kovath]

This is false. My claim had nothing to do with the real sheriff getting lynched. The real sheriff came out at an odd time and with a check on their only town read and not their mafia read which looked like a culted cop.

My fake check on sparknuts DID solve the game, you can't say otherwise.... It confirmed sparknuts as town, and slaol as cult with morp and keiichi. The day chat is what helped link everyone. When town is headed in the wrong direction it is easier to get them to listen if you claim a PR. Saying I am VT, but trust my reads is more difficult than saying I am sheriff, I have a red check. @Calix you read the situation completely wrong. It is not about claiming a red check blindly based on never making mistakes, but gaining information and steering town back in the correct direction. Depending how the player reacts you either hold or rescind the claim. In many cases lynching a town is not even a bad thing if you get enough information out of it to solve the game, but good players will usually know when to rescind.

Also, if firebringer was the singer his manager fake claim would have been genius. The manager would have been able to roleswap with the singer and thus auto win the game.

I mean... he wasn't, so Whad revealed himself...

[DarknessB]

I've seen many town players fake a guilty on a scum read in an attempt to garner credibility/ votes.

It's a dumb move and almost-always backfires from my experience, but I wouldn't go as far as to call it game-throwing if that was the case here.

It's a poor gambit that was ill-conceived and which didn't work out, but not a gamethrow. Otherwise, any lie to the Town could very well be considered a gamethrow as well, including Duck's Sheriff claim in Charmander, Fire's Manager claim in Music, etc. If POD had been right about his scum read, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Pretty much the FM equivalent of randomly executing someone as a Jailor during Night 1 in the mod -- when it goes right, you're a hero, but when it goes wrong, you are the goat.

[Quick]

Err.. I feel awkward saying this for the second time on this forum, but in my first game someone pulled a gambit on me saying they investigated me as guilty when I was innocent. We were both town. He did it to sort me and was successful. Granted it was a C9++, but I think much of the same reasoning was applied with POD.

[Cryptonic]

PoD's action of claiming someone is guilty when they're not is not gamethrowing.

The only questionable thing that was done was including the fake reads in his Tyrell Message to his teammates.


Oops typed Firebringer instead of PoD by mistake due to reading that last comment lol

[BananaCucho]

PoD's action of claiming someone is guilty when they're not is not gamethrowing.

The only questionable thing that was done was including the fake reads in his Tyrell Message to his teammates.


Oops typed Firebringer instead of PoD by mistake due to reading that last comment lol

I'd rather hear an explanation of why he did it from @powerofdeath himself rather than people apologizing for him.

[Cryptonic]

I'd rather hear an explanation of why he did it from @powerofdeath himself rather than people apologizing for him.

I'm not apologizing for him, I'm stating how it appeared to someone who had an overview of the entire game.

[BananaCucho]

I'm not apologizing for him, I'm stating how it appeared to someone who had an overview of the entire game.

In order for it not to be a gamethrow, he had to have done it with the mindset that that move would advance his win condition

Until he explains that, the move was a terrible and unnecesary lie that ended up costing his team the game, so it's a game throw.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

In order for it not to be a gamethrow, he had to have done it with the mindset that that move would advance his win condition

Until he explains that, the move was a terrible and unnecesary lie that ended up costing his team the game, so it's a game throw.

If town is already fucked why is it not a good play to try and take a calculated risk and fake a red on someone who the person reads as mafia/is not contributing to town and is therefore useless if town and will just continue to lessen their chances of winning. Even if it is not the best play available, I would not say it is intentionally losing the game, but taking a major risk to comeback into the game.

[DarknessB]

Re: Music, I'd like to paraphrase my favorite Banana quote re: game balance:

"The singer isn't supposed to able to be killed, and any action he takes is supposed to protect his target from audits no matter what. Oh, there were also 5 TPRs including a Sheriff and Escort. Game was OP in favor of scum."

[Voss]

He wasn't town. He was neutral that could win with town or one of the scum factions.

His faction was alive and well. He had a doctor from his faction protecting him. Once he fakes his guilty that ends up being a mislynch, his doctor goes elsewhere and dies to vet, and he's lynched. That one fake claim eliminated 2/3 of his faction.

It wasn't needed and I want the explanation from him and not apologizers.

How did he know he had a doctor protecting him? You can't really say he caused the doctor's death if he didn't even know that a doctor was on him.

[SuperJack]

This thread should be closed. PoD made a choice which had a negative result. Which is just a mistake. And if not then the FM staff would of already sorted it.

[Brendan]