Next Roles Poll

[Zack]

That is your own opinion, I think it makes the game more interesting.

As such you just denied the existance of Amnesiac, you don't want that role in the game then?

Alignment converters won't be included in randoms, that would be Cult and Inductor, you could choose whenever to play with or without them.

[Dark.Revenant]

I'm removing Inductor, adding Veteran, and will add Amnesiac as the next role when I get around to it.

I am also adding the default-on option for Executioner to be required to live in order to win.

[FalseTruth]

I'm removing Inductor, adding Veteran, and will add Amnesiac as the next role when I get around to it.

I am also adding the default-on option for Executioner to be required to live in order to win.

Why add veteran when it is the least popular role on the list? IMO even Cult deserves implementation more than veteran...

[Dark.Revenant]

I wanted to finish off the town roles before I moved on to fleshing out the neutrals.

[Auckmid]

At the beggining, you said you had around 36 planned total. What happens once you've created the 36th role?

[FalseTruth]

I wanted to finish off the town roles before I moved on to fleshing out the neutrals.

Veteran is gonna suck... I hate u DR

[Dark.Revenant]

How is veteran going to suck? His options are 2-3-4-infinite kills and exclusion from randoms (exclusion even works for mafia variant) in case you don't want him.

[Duban]

Honestly I don't really like any of them.

The cultist is too powerful
The veteran doesn't sound too fun to play as and will probebly kill more town members than mafia :-/.
The amnesiac sounds ok, but still not that great either.

[FalseTruth]

You made me go requote myself DR. This is why Veteran would suck:

I REALLY like the veteran role. Because currently, mafia always kills the people who seem to be smart or talk a lot and give the town good advice. A veteran could speak to the town without fear of being targeted (actually, with the HOPE that he/she is targeted).

There are already disadvantages to targetting players who talk a lot. We have docs AND bgs, I don't see why we need to keep adding protecting roles.

What we need for the game in the next patch is a sheriff buff and a neutral who wants town to win. I have already suggested we add the Hitman or the Changeling to counter the witch.

See my previous post for more info.

I have to say that adding the Veteran is a very bad idea. It is horribly overpowered. Mafia may never win a game again if this role is added. Seriously, the Veteran will RUIN this game...

Think about it, the Mafia have virtually no way to take this guy down, other than tricking the town to lynch. Also, the Veteran could claim to be Doc the first day and get the Mafia to suicide the next night. This makes it too hard for Mafia to strategize and too afraid to take down important power roles, which is essential to victory.

And, I agree with the other poster in that Town already has enough healing and support roles anyway.

I still think the veteran will be too strong. The only way to kill a veteran is to lynch, and mafia can only do that when they have a majority. Early on, mafia HAS to "random kill" at night. If they accidentally target a veteran, they will be extremely behind and probably won't have a chance of winning.

Of course, it may do more harm than good to the town in terms of doc/sheriffs/escorts targetting him, but I don't feel that this would require any skill.

Veteran sounds like a pretty brainless role to play, and hardly essential in any way. He doesn't really have any decisions to make, so players may not feel invested in the game after winning with town.

Either he gets really lucky and mafia target him, or he gets unlucky and town targets him.
Much too luck based with little strategy involved. I don't like it.

The problem is, everyone would start claiming veteran. Mafia would be completely clueless when choosing who to attack. False claiming doesn't take any skill, any pub knows how to false claim. What requires skill is saying the right words AFTER you false claim and defending yourself appropriately. With Veteran, either someone believes you or they don't. There are no facts upon which you can base a defense. You can't say who you healed, who you blocked, who you jailed, or who you investigated. The game would evolve into a shitfest where everyone wants to be veteran and when people get mafia they just ragequit.

Thanks for reading, but I doubt you'll listen :/

[Dark.Revenant]

The Veteran's balance lies with the host. I can think of many setups where he would be balanced. Your assumption on him sucking is that he will be included as a random role in the average joe setup, to which I agree: he will suck in the average setup.

THIS IS WHY, by default, the Veteran will be completely excluded from appearing as a random role. You have to specifically allow him to be a picked by random, and even then his percentage is extremely low.

[S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

Deal with it



nerd

[FalseTruth]

The Veteran's balance lies with the host. I can think of many setups where he would be balanced. Your assumption on him sucking is that he will be included as a random role in the average joe setup, to which I agree: he will suck in the average setup.

THIS IS WHY, by default, the Veteran will be completely excluded from appearing as a random role. You have to specifically allow him to be a picked by random, and even then his percentage is extremely low.

I just think you shouldn't have wasted your time working on this when there are so many better roles out there. That is all. I honestly hope it works and is a fun role to play.

[Dark.Revenant]

Right now, my priority is getting the core roles finished. Veteran was the last core town role. I don't consider it a waste of my time to complete a goal I set out to accomplish.

Once the main 3-dozen or so roles are finished, I can add some features to the game itself. After that, I will see about creating crazy rule-sets (variants with unique roles).

[AdmiralCain]

<3 veteran! (for the reasons stated in my post that FalseTruth quoted above)

Thanks DR!!

[Taintedxsoul]

Saw The vet, looks ok, Would Love to see the Amnesiac

[Goonswarm]

Vet will rock when played right. I forded alot of N1 reveals on it tho. You need to make it invest like a citizen otherwise its op.

[Hero]

Vet will rock when played right. I forded alot of N1 reveals on it tho. You need to make it invest like a citizen otherwise its op.

But invest dies if he's visiting a veteran, right? If yes, then a new era of "heal me doc, i'm visiting someone" may has just begun, haha.

[AdmiralCain]

Vet will rock when played right. I forded alot of N1 reveals on it tho. You need to make it invest like a citizen otherwise its op.

Did you see the veteran's role description? ;D

[Goonswarm]

Vet will rock when played right. I forded alot of N1 reveals on it tho. You need to make it invest like a citizen otherwise its op.

Did you see the veteran's role description? ;D

Hope not playing until security update hits. Too many trolls. Got the assassins creed bundle on steam sale cheap so I am enjoying that.

[Computer]

is goon signature the inspiration for the vet's frag grenade?

[Elixir]

Vet is pretty lol in games right now.

Just saw a host limit it to 2 kills and on night 1 there were two vet kills... sk and consig.
Next game no limit, 4 town died to a vet.

Biggest dice roll class. Haha.

[AdmiralCain]

is goon signature the inspiration for the vet's frag grenade?

Oh hey I didn't even think of that (I didn't know Vet used frag grenade--haven't seen a Vet kill yet).
But if you get Vet as your role, check out the role description and see what kind of veteran he is. ;)

[FalseTruth]

Vet is pretty lol in games right now.

Just saw a host limit it to 2 kills and on night 1 there were two vet kills... sk and consig.

Vet is pretty lol in games right now.

Just saw a host limit it to 2 kills and on night 1 there were two vet kills... sk and consig.
Next game no limit, 4 town died to a vet.

Biggest dice roll class. Haha.

Next game no limit, 4 town died to a vet.

Biggest dice roll class. Haha.

DR still fails to realize that Epic Mafia != SC2 Mafia. I have to agree with Elixir on this. Every game with vet is pretty much a dice role with no real strategy involved. It's not working.

[AdmiralCain]

DR still fails to realize that Epic Mafia != SC2 Mafia. I have to agree with Elixir on this. Every game with vet is pretty much a dice role with no real strategy involved. It's not working.

But that's also what Vigilante and (to a lesser extent) Busdriver and Bodyguard were like initially, until people learned to use them properly.

[North Star]

I'm 100% with you admiralcain vigilante should have a laser

[North Star]

LOL

[AdmiralCain]

I'm 100% with you admiralcain vigilante should have a laser

No, u noob, the Vigilante should have a smart bomb that he can randomly plant, and it ONLY explodes if the target is evil or neutral, and if the target is town, the unexploded bomb is returned to the Vig. Also the unexploded bomb can talk, and it tells the Vig why it did not explode (e.g. "The target was a Doctor.").

[GoodNight]

What about a role that at the very start of the game he gets to pick what side he wants to be on, Town or Mafia.

and then decide what you want to do with the roll after that but it would be cool

[Envy]

I like the Cultist and would like to see it. I also think the Ghost is a very good role to add it has some potential.

[someguy]

I'm 100% with you admiralcain vigilante should have a laser

No, u noob, the Vigilante should have a smart bomb that he can randomly plant, and it ONLY explodes if the target is evil or neutral, and if the target is town, the unexploded bomb is returned to the Vig. Also the unexploded bomb can talk, and it tells the Vig why it did not explode (e.g. "The target was a Doctor.").

The vig should get to deploy a turret like the one from Portal, only it can walk and it takes up an empty slot on the playlist (so it can only be deployed after some one dies [for balance, duh]) and the turret will attack some one each night but the turret won't harm any town, only neutrals (unless the vig clears them [gotta protect those survivors so they'll vote with you, bro]) and mafia and since it is a robot it takes two nights to kill it, like the terminator and it can't be lynched, also like the terminator. In fact, its name on the role list will just be "T-101" in multicolored letters and it is in fact, a terminator.

[Goonswarm]

Any progress updates on Amnesiac? I know alot of people are looking forward to this.

[Dark.Revenant]

It's already done but I have not tested it.

[Goonswarm]

It's already done but I have not tested it.

Pick me pick me!

[Dark.Revenant]

Sorry, but it won't be tested tonight, even though it's completely done. I have to find a new method for donations other than PayPal.

[Elixir]

With the script cap, is amnesiac the final class? Or are you going to be a wizard and somehow get cultist in as well before signing this as complete?

[FalseTruth]

The Amnesiac is brilliant, flawless, and impeccable. Thank you so much. Amazing role.

[r4ndomdude]

I loved the new role. I took over a sheriff, and help town win. YAY First time laying it. lol

[Goonswarm]

The Amnesiac is brilliant, flawless, and impeccable. Thank you so much. Amazing role.

Really is, like a survivor in that you must at one point declare alliance to a faction to win, except you can be the driving force for that win.

Having Amnesiac reveal the role he/she picks should be default on btw, not having it is horrible imo.

[Elixir]

The Amnesiac is brilliant, flawless, and impeccable. Thank you so much. Amazing role.

Really is, like a survivor in that you must at one point declare alliance to a faction to win, except you can be the driving force for that win.

Having Amnesiac reveal the role he/she picks should be default on btw, not having it is horrible imo.

The top and bottom ones should be on by default.

[AscendedOne]

https://wiki.epicmafia.com:8081/index.php?title=Enforcer
Mafia could use a counter to both masons and cult.

[Fulla]

Might I propose my Town Witch/Mystic role (Needs a new name of course)

https://www.thecouncilofmages.com/for...ic,1533.0.html

[Nick]

Now that cult is in and the whatever code is supposedly near the limit, may I assume that this thread is officially dead?

[AscendedOne]

I believe he expanded the limit awhile ago, he can fit some more roles in.