S-FM 186: Firebringer's Improvised Game

[RLVG]

How do you modkill someone 3 times?

~deathworlds

How can you kill that which has no life? /S

I agree that TDL is in a bad position, but where does that bring Nic's claim on me? I say it's a lie, he says it's a truth.
We can't look away from a clear contradiction.

[Helz]

Can we from now on, modkill all who post outside of their hydra?
Thx lol.

Says the guy not running a hydra. Lol

[OrpZedWorlds]

Says the guy not running a hydra. Lol

lel

~deathworlds

[Firebringer]

Can we from now on, modkill all who post outside of their hydra?
Thx lol.

No, but you can make fun of them endlessly like I am doing right now.

[Empathy17]

How do you modkill someone 3 times?

~deathworlds

deathworlds has been stuck by lighting
mattz has been stuck by lighting
orpz has been stuck by lighting

thay have been triple modkilled

[OrpZedWorlds]

Can we from now on, modkill all who post outside of their hydra?
Thx lol.

In all seriousness, this is asking the host for a mechanic that would seriously hinder town, a modkill on town would end the game easily.

~deathworlds

[OrpZedWorlds]

They know there is no way out. Scum trying to wiggle into any crack that it can.

What's the scenario in that TDL is town? Is there one?

Well, let's use logic available to you, and look at the situations where he's mafia: You know TDL was roleblocked last night. There was a night kill, so he couldn't have done it, or done anything for that matter.

Who's his partner who did the night kill? Can't be Empathy, since he used an ability last night. In fact, no one could have witched RLVG since only scum have an incentive to, and they need to perform the night kill. So if it's not RLVG, then Cage is Mafia/Neut. If he's neut, then you get to pick from Hell Frog+Me+RLVG as the second mafia, the one who performed the kill.

But now let's look at the world where he's town and remember that someone needed to perform the night kill. You have you and TDL as town. Empathy has a confirmed night action and didn't do it, unless he's scum with Hell Frog and they're acting together in a LYLO fakeclaim. If RLVG did the kill, then Cage pretty much has to be town, and between Hell Frog, Me, Empathy, you have the second scum and the neut, which is silly. (Even from your perspective; you seem to townread Hell Frog and Empathy hard) If Cage did the kill, then he has a partner among Hell Frog, Me, Empathy. Let's say you're still skeptical of me and say we're mafia with Cage. Even then, you're left to picking RLVG as neut if you don't want to violate your town reads. If Hell Frog or I did the kill, then Cage has a false result. This would put Cage as the other scum, neut (prob exec), or some really unlucky town with a witch in play (which would have to be the other of Hell Frog/Me, and I don't think anyone here thinks that's the scumteam) If Cage is neut, then again you're stuck with Hell Frog or Empathy being mafia, which you aren't considering.

It actually makes more sense to ask, from your position "How is RLVG town?"

Again, same analysis: If RLVG is town, you need to account for a night kill, which needs to be from Hell Frog/Me/Empathy/Cage. If you want to accept Hell Frog and Empathy as town, then know have me/cage/TDL as the scum trio.

-Matt

[Empathy17]

matt remind em to tell you something post game

[RLVG]

What if...
... It was a town who did the killing?

[OrpZedWorlds]

matt remind em to tell you something post game

lol sure?

While you're here, without telling me what they are, could you say if Hell Frog has any night actions? I'm trying to puzzle out scum by seeing who could have performed the kill.

If someone has a night action that gives them a temporary night chat with a target, are they possibly able to perform a night action that same night?

-Matt

[Firebringer]

lol sure?

While you're here, without telling me what they are, could you say if Hell Frog has any night actions? I'm trying to puzzle out scum by seeing who could have performed the kill.

If someone has a night action that gives them a temporary night chat with a target, are they possibly able to perform a night action that same night?

-Matt

Yes.

[OrpZedWorlds]

What if...
... It was a town who did the killing?

Every town has claimed the gist of their role, and no one has mentioned this. If a town did the kill, then they're basically gamethrowing by concealing this information at this point.

Engage in more legit setup speculation, please.

-Matt

[RLVG]

Every town has claimed the gist of their role, and no one has mentioned this. If a town did the kill, then they're basically gamethrowing by concealing this information at this point.

Would it be gamebreaking by concealing this information, knowing full well they're incriminating and would end up getting lynched as a suspected mafia?

Just saying.

[Empathy17]

frog has no night actions as far as i am concerned. silver already outed the entire rolecard of them

[OrpZedWorlds]

Would it be gamebreaking by concealing this information, knowing full well they're incriminating and would end up getting lynched as a suspected mafia?

Just saying.

I'll put it a different way:
If you're town and you killed SFT, the ONLY time I will accept a reveal of that information without instantly voting you is RIGHT NOW.

We've had more than enough time to sort things out. A town that killed would info that either A: killing scum was roleblocked or B: scum made same target. Knowing either of this would help PoE.

-Matt

[RLVG]

I'm not the one who did the kill. I stand by my claim I went to Funcall and Nic is a liar.

[Calix]

This is the dumbest setup spec I've ever walked back into.

RLVG is suggesting that a TOWN PLAYER decided that KILLING SPEARHEADING FEMALE TANK - aka one of the MOST TOWN-READ players - over ANYONE ELSE is a possibility. And that the scum decided to No-Kill for REASONS.

Holy shit, why is Matt even entertaining this crackhead idea?

[RLVG]

I were more suggesting that TDL was prevented a night kill somehow, since you roleblocked him, and a town for some reason targeted them.

Bullshit theorizing of course.

[OrpZedWorlds]

I'm not the one who did the kill. I stand by my claim I went to Funcall and Nic is a liar.

And what happened when you visited Funcall?

This is the dumbest setup spec I've ever walked back into.

RLVG is suggesting that a TOWN PLAYER decided that KILLING SPEARHEADING FEMALE TANK - aka one of the MOST TOWN-READ players - over ANYONE ELSE is a possibility. And that the scum decided to No-Kill for REASONS.

Holy shit, why is Matt even entertaining this crackhead idea?

I'm fine letting a scum RLVG dig his own grave.

-Matt

[RLVG]

I'm fine letting a scum RLVG dig his own grave.

-Matt

Randomizing ideas isn't a scumtell lol. It helps expand thoughts.

[RLVG]

How do we know that Mattworldzed doesn't have another ability at night, using that "reveal" as a red herring?

[TheDarkestLight]

I were more suggesting that TDL was prevented a night kill somehow, since you roleblocked him, and a town for some reason targeted them.

Bullshit theorizing of course.

Oh hey... one of the majorities scum suspects trying to push me to get lynched because he thinks I'm an easy mislynch.

[Calix]

Randomizing ideas isn't a scumtell lol. It helps expand thoughts.

It's a scum tell when put with the rest of your behaviour lol.

You're currently suggesting that Cage is a liar, therefore probably scum FYPOV. Given that it's LYLO, that means your supposed mislynch will fuck us over. I've yet to see anything resembling a case for why Cage is the scum out of the two of you, or any sort of frustration over you being considered as a lynch over Cage, or any town-like reactions to the feedback.

[OrpZedWorlds]

Randomizing ideas isn't a scumtell lol. It helps expand thoughts.

At least get through SOME of the useful speculation before the crazy ideas, though.

Something you should be considering hard now: Why is Cage pushing you so hard? If you know you're town, then he's either fooled by feedback, neut, or mafia. If he's neut, then doesn't exec make sense. Would certainly clear you, since execs only have town targets. I'll let you tell us the rest of those possibilities.

You still haven't said what happened from your Funcall visit.

-Matt

[RLVG]

You still haven't said what happened from your Funcall visit.

-Matt

Stop being stupid guys, I'm his role now.

[OrpZedWorlds]

Stop being stupid guys, I'm his role now.

Do you get his ability to make a public night chat tonight, or do you not get his charges?

[RLVG]

Do you get his ability to make a public night chat tonight, or do you not get his charges?

DA Prosecutor

• You can check two players alignment at night.
• You will get their alignments back, but not in any particular order.’
• You cannot check the same player twice.
• If there is only one player left who you haven’t check, you will not be able to perform an action.

[Hell Frog]

@Calix- Watch your comms...

[RLVG]

Funcall you assholes, not SFT which died the same night that I went to become Funcall's role.

[RLVG]

I'm almost starting to think it's a scum freudian slip, how you keep insisting it's SFT when it's FC.

[TheDarkestLight]

-unvote

...

[OrpZedWorlds]

Funcall you assholes, not SFT which died the same night that I went to become Funcall's role.

Herp Derp. Fair enough. No need to push this further. Just needed to know you're saying Cage is a liar.

-Matt

[OrpZedWorlds]

I'm almost starting to think it's a scum freudian slip, how you keep insisting it's SFT when it's FC.

Is that really the best analysis you have at this point? I don't quite agree with Hell Frog's angle because I don't trust his alignment yet, but anyone here can see that there's enough information here to be doing a lot of PoE, and that's really what we should be doing atm.

-Matt

[RLVG]

Matt, can you do one of those sexy tables with all roleclaims and actions?

[Hell Frog]

after chatting, we think there's an easy way to clear this up. Helz will explain, i dont know which of us is more drunk, but i'll defer to Helz

-Frog

[OrpZedWorlds]

Matt, can you do one of those sexy tables with all roleclaims and actions?

Eh, may as well at this point. Give me a few mins.

-Matt

[Hell Frog]

@Empathy - Silverwolf/Ika
@Calette - Calix/Toadette

We need to come up with a concensus and we think this can lock it.

1) Calette - after your night chat with RLVG, how confident are you on the slot V/W?

[RLVG]

1) Calette - after your night chat with RLVG

Lol.

[Hell Frog]

Yeah. Putting a bunch of shit together. I do have one very specific question

@Calette
Would you favor a TDL lynch over a RLVG lynch?

[OrpZedWorlds]

Player Name	Supposed Role	D0 Actions	N1 Actions	Notes
Calette	Auditor - put someone in an anonymous night chat and roleblock them	Night Chat with RLVG	None?	Seen as town by Hell Frog
TheDarkestLight	Healing-type role	None	Roleblocked	Claims to also be a miller and cannot be healed
OrpZedWorlds	Cronenberg Hydra - target someone at night to die in their place	None	None? (we had talked about defending Empathy, but I don't think any action went through)	Cannot be invested; at night, player is announced as vulnerable
RLVG	Amnesiac	None	Gain Funcall's role	Claims to be town-aligned and have no other abilities
Nicholas Cage	Detective/Gladiator	Nothing	Detect RLVG; saw visiting SFT	Claims to be town
Hell Frog	Wagon Sensor	Checked a train with Calette+SFT on it, no scum	None	Hasn't revealed any other info
Empathy17	Role Cop	Nothing	Checked Hell Frog; roleclaim matched	Claims to also be a miller

[Calette]

Yeah. Putting a bunch of shit together. I do have one very specific question

@Calette
Would you favor a TDL lynch over a RLVG lynch?

We could roleblock RLVG, so we wouldn't be against a TDL lynch if hes mechanically scum

[RLVG]

Thanks for clearing me assholes, I was roleblocked and put in an anonymous chat with someone so I couldn't do the kill at all. /S

[Calette]

@Empathy - Silverwolf/Ika
@Calette - Calix/Toadette

We need to come up with a concensus and we think this can lock it.

1) Calette - after your night chat with RLVG, how confident are you on the slot V/W?

Night chat was with TDL. He gave us nothing.

[TheDarkestLight]

Player Name	Supposed Role	D0 Actions	N1 Actions	Notes
Calette	Auditor - put someone in an anonymous night chat and roleblock them	Night Chat with RLVG	None?	Seen as town by Hell Frog
TheDarkestLight	Healing-type role	None	Roleblocked	Claims to also be a miller and cannot be healed
OrpZedWorlds	Cronenberg Hydra - target someone at night to die in their place	None	None? (we had talked about defending Empathy, but I don't think any action went through)	Cannot be invested; at night, player is announced as vulnerable
RLVG	Amnesiac	None	Gain Funcall's role	Claims to be town-aligned and have no other abilities
Nicholas Cage	Detective/Gladiator	Nothing	Detect RLVG; saw visiting SFT	Claims to be town
Hell Frog	Wagon Sensor	Checked a train with Calette+SFT on it, no scum	None	Hasn't revealed any other info
Empathy17	Role Cop	Nothing	Checked Hell Frog; roleclaim matched	Claims to also be a miller

I don't have any Miller qualities.

[RLVG]

Here's my role claim btw.

I'm a form of an Amnesiac, lol.

The role is called "Reinforcement", there's a following line that says I don't know what I'm supposed to do in this game but I will figure it out, it says I can take a player's role from the graveyard and use their actions for a single cycle, I show up as a Mafia and any role I take will not change the investigation result, that roles can only be taken at night and doesn't count as a regular action.

There's also a typo which I asked host to correct and clarify.

and this will not who up through investigations

It's a Town role, not a Neutral, and a really shitty role in general. I shouldn't show up as visiting someone.

[TheDarkestLight]

Night chat was with TDL. He gave us nothing.

Nothing to give as previously explained, especially considering you played exactly how a neutral would play in that chat.

[Calette]

I don't have any Miller qualities.

The whole chart is wrong/troll. I'm back to thinking Orpz hydra is neutral, given their purposely shitty play the entire game.

[Calette]

Here's my role claim btw.

In your night chat with Empathy in which your voted them mason leader, how many cultists did you convert?

[Calette]

Neutral - Orpz
Scum - prob TDL and RLVG/Nic

50 50 with RLVG and Nic, but TDL is probably scum

[RLVG]

Cronenberg Hydra - target someone at night to die in their place

None

None? (we had talked about defending Empathy, but I don't think any action went through)

Cannot be invested; at night, player is announced as vulnerable

So your role is to target someone at night to die in their place, not even a bodyguard, can't be investigated and you're announced as vulnerable.

There's a major inconsisensy here.

Vulnerable = Cannot be healed? What does it even mean?
Why can't you be invested?
Why did you do no action? You announce no target either.