S-FM: THT: The Wrath of Lady Death

[Mikecall]

If you guys mislynch me, it's basically a Town loss. Interesting that Mikecall hasn't received much of any scrutiny today.

So you think your claim of Citizen is really true, weird how you wouldn't react on how a town would off. Such as jumping at the oppuntunity to defend your claim than just stating, it's a town loss, anything we do would put us at a town loss if we misslynch someone, like, if we went after firebringer and he turned out to be priest, what would stop the cult from being able to tailor them into thinking they where another role, considering we know the tailor is still out there.

However, if your really are defending your claim for being citizen, then what do you believe of this theory, Mattzed following on from potential tailor victims and causing a lot of miss lynches to happen? Do you think this claim is valid or invalid?

[DarknessB]

40 minutes to day end and Darkness isn't voting anyone. Sounds more like he's stalling to get through today than trying to win for town. Yes, a mislynch on town is auto-lose for town, but so is a failure to lynch.

Without Fire or Toadette showing up, we wouldn't even have the numbers to change to Mike.

I'm around.

-vote Mikecall

[MattZed]

I'm around.

-vote Mikecall

It takes you this close to day end to cast a vote?

[Mikecall]

I'm around.

-vote Mikecall

What an invalid way of trying to get a fellow town lynched, well, that just confirms my hunch about you darkness.

[DarknessB]

It takes you this close to day end to cast a vote?

No one else is even around, Matt. It's also a Sunday, and you know vote meta by now.

[DarknessB]

What an invalid way of trying to get a fellow town lynched, well, that just confirms my hunch about you darkness.

You've been wanting to lynch me to survive the entire time, Mike -- let's be honest. Congrats on your close-to-win here.

[MattZed]

What an invalid way of trying to get a fellow town lynched, well, that just confirms my hunch about you darkness.

If you thought Darkness was your "fellow town," why haven't you been leading a train on me?

[MattZed]

Too close to no lynch. I still favor Darkness; his defense today has been weak and he doesn't vote anyone until the last hour of the day. Played survivalistically today, not what town needs.

-vote DarknessB

Hammer it, Super.

[DarknessB]

If you thought Darkness was your "fellow town," why haven't you been leading a train on me?

This is a very good question.

[Mikecall]

If you thought Darkness was your "fellow town," why haven't you been leading a train on me?

I didn't state he would be town, I was trying to hint my hunch about him trying to be scum, I mean, your arguments for him being evil and the arguments I tried to state does would link in with him being evil overall. But you also didn't assume my second part of the sentence, "That just confirms my hunch on you" when I am trying to say darkness wanting to get an easy lynch out of today.

[MattZed]

FIREBRINGER AND SUPERJACK. IF NEITHER OF YOU HAMMER, TOWN LOSES.

[DarknessB]

Too close to no lynch. I still favor Darkness; his defense today has been weak and he doesn't vote anyone until the last hour of the day. Played survivalistically today, not what town needs.

-vote DarknessB

Hammer it, Super.

As opposed to Mikecall who sheeps questionable votes. Do whatever you want guys -- you're going to hear from me in the post-game.

[MattZed]

As opposed to Mikecall who sheeps questionable votes. Do whatever you want guys -- you're going to hear from me in the post-game.

You're obvious scum. Today hasn't been about you trying to narrow down LD. Today you just keep asking why we're excluding people from LD consideration.

Die.

GAMEFREAK, FIRE, SUPER, HAMMER NOW.

[DarknessB]

You're obvious scum. Today hasn't been about you trying to narrow down LD. Today you just keep asking why we're excluding people from LD consideration.

Die.

GAMEFREAK, FIRE, SUPER, HAMMER NOW.

LD is either you or Mikecall. You guys have the most to benefit from me getting lynched.

[Mikecall]

Um mattzed, now your seriously now becoming more suspicious in your eagerness to wanting to lynch him. Very highly suspicious.

[MattZed]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT NO-LYNCH AT LYLO.

[MattZed]

Um mattzed, now your seriously now becoming more suspicious in your eagerness to wanting to lynch him. Very highly suspicious.

Mike wtf are you doing. 25 minutes before day ends and town loses if we don't get a lynch off.

[Mikecall]

Hey super, don't lynch yet. This mattzed eagerness is interesting.

[DarknessB]

Um mattzed, now your seriously now becoming more suspicious in your eagerness to wanting to lynch him. Very highly suspicious.

I agree here -- I feel like we're all getting collective duped by MattZed like S-FM Watermeloann. His meta is to overwhelm with information and then use that to give more authenticity to his "conclusions" than they deserve.

[MattZed]

Hey super, don't lynch yet. This mattzed eagerness is interesting.

YOU ARE SUGGESTING WE HOLD BACK A LYNCH WITH 22 MINUTES TO DAY END AT LYLO.

[DarknessB]

Let's make this interesting. Anyone who thinks Matt is a little overeager can join me.

-vote MattZed

[MattZed]

I agree here -- I feel like we're all getting collective duped by MattZed like S-FM Watermeloann. His meta is to overwhelm with information and then use that to give more authenticity to his "conclusions" than they deserve.

No, you don't agree, you're just being opportunistic.

[SuperJack]

YOLO.

COMON STOP FUCKING POSTING

OY YA WANKERS

-vote DarknessB

OMG IM SO GONNA CRY IF YOUR TOWN

[The Godfather]

DarknessB has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


SuperJack (1 [L-3]): Firebringer
DarknessB (4 [L-0]): Toadette, MattZed, SuperJack, Mikecall
MattZed (1 [L-3]): DarknessB

[Thornholt]

DarknessB is dead, He was Lady Death

[Orpz]

Announcement: Thornholt is currently sick and will need to spend time getting better. Let's all wish him the best and be patient while we wait for his recovery

[Orpz]

I'm in the process of working out data transfer with Thornholt so that I can sub in as host for this game.

This game will not count on the ladder.

Please PM me ASAP if you would like to replace out. I will assume the players list to be the players currently still alive.

[Orpz]

Game canceled.

I did not receive any word from the host for an information transfer, and I let him know I would cancel the game a week ago. Furthermore, I feel like a rerun would be better than continuing a game after this long of a hiatus. Sorry to anyone affected by this.

[MattZed]

*sigh*

It was Super and GameFreak for scum, wasn't it?

I was cit.

[Mikecall]

I was the questionable citizen, shame, this turned out into a good game.

[Funce]

Poor Thornholt. I do like your current Avatar by the way.
Maybe the other ones were a little too rugged for me.

[MattZed]

I was the questionable citizen, shame, this turned out into a good game.

Town was in a pretty good position. Toadette and I were confirmed, and there were only 3 possibilities for scum: Super+Fire, Super+GameFreak, Fire+Mike.

[SuperJack]

Toadette was due to die. And then we would of totally kicked ass.

[Mikecall]

Toadette was due to die. And then we would of totally kicked ass.

So who did your tailor try to change roles off anyways?

[RLVG]

Superjack

Cult Member

You're part of the worshippers of the fire spirit.

Explanation: At night you share a chat with the other Cult Members and can decide with your partners on a single kill.
Specification: Nothing of note.

Gamefreak

Tailor

You're part of the worshippers of the fire spirit. You can tailor a target at night to have them show up as a different role when they die.

Explanation: At night you share a chat with the other Cult Members and can decide with your partners on a single kill. You can target someone a night to disguise them in a role of your choice, 3 uses.
Specification: Nothing of note.

RLVG

Roleblocker

You're part of the worshippers of the fire spirit. At night you can roleblock someone.

Explanation: At night you share a chat with the other Cult Members and can decide with your partners on a single kill. You can roleblock a target at night.
Specification: Nothing of note.

Game Start

Your night chat

Here you go guys.

[RLVG]

I wanted to take off the heat from the two, but they made it just worse instead lol.
Can't really expect them to figure out stuff I haven't told them, so I suppose it could be my faulth.

[Mikecall]

GG anyways.

[DarknessB]

I enjoyed this game while it lasted. Neutral Killer role is always super tough to win as, but I'm happy with how long I lasted -- until role claims narrowed and there wasn't much chance of avoiding a lynch. I suppose I could have made a stronger push on someone during the last game day, but once you start running out of possible roles, there's not much to do. I'd be interested in a reroll of this game, perhaps with a couple of tweaks to give scum more possible role claims.

[DarknessB]

Toadette was due to die. And then we would of totally kicked ass.

Your hammering me vs. taking the no lynch was a bit odd. I probably would have touched the Town players vs. you guys if I had survived the day, hoping that you would kill the Priest. Agreed that night killing Toadette would have been the right call, and then simply trying to get one of the remaining Townies to flip on the other.

[MattZed]

Of course what would be my first win of the season gets canceled. =(

Unless Fire suddenly started acting super scummy, I was going to use my confirmed town status to lynch Super and then GameFreak.

Town had this game on lock. Fire knew both of the scum, Mike at least knew Super was bad.

Regarding the confirmed roles of this game giving scum a lack of room to claim, I'd say it's actually fine as it is. Lady Death might be in a rough position, (basically has to claim cit) but a mislynch D1 and 2 town deaths N1 takes town out of the majority as soon as D2, and being able to have a decently effective massclaim is their defense against being steamrolled. (especially if, as we saw here, LD tries to kill town)

[DarknessB]

Unless Fire suddenly started acting super scummy, I was going to use my confirmed town status to lynch Super and then GameFreak.

You've played enough with Firebringer to know that there was a decent shot of this.

Also, how were you confirmed Town again? Toadette would have been with the Crier claim and presumably, being able to substantiate what her coded message meant, but not sure about you? That's obviously why the scum were going to kill her as well, in addition to the fact that she had a lot of Town credibility otherwise.

Seems to me the game would have turned on the GameFreak vs. Firebringer claims. If SuperJack could turn Mikecall against Firebringer, that might have been all the scum needed.

[Mikecall]

You've played enough with Firebringer to know that there was a decent shot of this.

Also, how were you confirmed Town again? Toadette would have been with the Crier claim and presumably, being able to substantiate what her coded message meant, but not sure about you? That's obviously why the scum were going to kill her as well, in addition to the fact that she had a lot of Town credibility otherwise.

Seems to me the game would have turned on the GameFreak vs. Firebringer claims. If SuperJack could turn Mikecall against Firebringer, that might have been all the scum needed.

Really, I would of stuck my vote on superjack if the next day did continue.

[DarknessB]

Really, I would of stuck my vote on superjack if the next day did continue.

You are discounting the fact that SuperJack speaks good English and therefore must be Town.

To quote a read from my favorite FM player:
"SuperJack: Master of English, mod but have powerful grammar can easily trick or acting troll. Well, too many potential....."

[MattZed]

You've played enough with Firebringer to know that there was a decent shot of this.

Also, how were you confirmed Town again? Toadette would have been with the Crier claim and presumably, being able to substantiate what her coded message meant, but not sure about you? That's obviously why the scum were going to kill her as well, in addition to the fact that she had a lot of Town credibility otherwise.

Seems to me the game would have turned on the GameFreak vs. Firebringer claims. If SuperJack could turn Mikecall against Firebringer, that might have been all the scum needed.

Priest claims. If Fire were priest, then he found Super and Gamefreak is other scum because of competing claims. If GameFreak were priest, then she's cleared me of being cult. Only way I'm scum is if both of our Priest claims lied.

The thing about Super turning Mike against Firebringer is that Mike knew Super was scum because of the claims. (Or I would have explained this to him once the day started) If Super had been town, then he would have known Mike to be scum anyways, so any attempt to persuade him was pointless. Fire also knew both of the scum and would be trying to rally Mike and I to his cause. There's also the point that we'd be in LYLO with me as confirmed town. Mike would be an idiot to vote anyone except Super or to sheep whoever I vote. The only real chance scum had was Super trying to convince me that Fire was scum.

[DarknessB]

Priest claims. If Fire were priest, then he found Super and Gamefreak is other scum because of competing claims. If GameFreak were priest, then she's cleared me of being cult. Only way I'm scum is if both of our Priest claims lied.

The thing about Super turning Mike against Firebringer is that Mike knew Super was scum because of the claims. (Or I would have explained this to him once the day started) If Super had been town, then he would have known Mike to be scum anyways, so any attempt to persuade him was pointless. Fire also knew both of the scum and would be trying to rally Mike and I to his cause. There's also the point that we'd be in LYLO with me as confirmed town. Mike would be an idiot to vote anyone except Super or to sheep whoever I vote. The only real chance scum had was Super trying to convince me that Fire was scum.

That's all fair, but I think you're putting way too much stock in players being 100% logical instead of voting with their gut, especially given both Firebringer and Mikecall can be YOLO-type players at times. SuperJack is also pretty good at convincing people they're wrong. If the Town lynches Firebringer instead of GameFreak, the game was basically lost right there. Also, sometimes being overly analytical can be viewed as a negative because players might perceive you as trying to manipulate them with your posts (which is what happened toward the end of the day when there was a mini-train against you).

[yzb25]

Yeah, I still feel that there's a very good chance that, after SJ was the one likely chosen to be lynched, Mattzed would have been nightkilled and Gamefreak would have been well set up to convince the town that Firebringer was scum. FB's loss of motivation / rage upon receiving suspicion seemed to be for scummy reasons (regardless of the actual reason for the rage / lack of motivation). I can imagine Gamefreak twisting that well.

[MattZed]

That's all fair, but I think you're putting way too much stock in players being 100% logical instead of voting with their gut, especially given both Firebringer and Mikecall can be YOLO-type players at times. SuperJack is also pretty good at convincing people they're wrong. If the Town lynches Firebringer instead of GameFreak, the game was basically lost right there. Also, sometimes being overly analytical can be viewed as a negative because players might perceive you as trying to manipulate them with your posts (which is what happened toward the end of the day when there was a mini-train against you).

lol I saw that. Yes, it was 3v2 LYLO. I doubt Fire would YOLO when he knows both scum, though. (he checked Super, and GameFreak was CC'ing him. The only "YOLO" he'd have would be choosing between those two. If he switched to Mike or me, it's basically gamethrowing.) Mike was in the fantastic position of knowing Super was scum, and from there he'd have to choose between Fire, who would have made for the most epic bus of all time, or GameFreak, who counterclaimed someone with a lead on a scum.

Fire and Mike both knew Super was scum. Super's only way to live would be to convince me that the scum team was Fire+Mike, which, of the three possible scum teams, was definitely the last in my mind. Toadette may have had a nice LW to top it off.

Game probably would have ended like this:
1. We lynch Super, confirming Mike as town.
2. GameFreak, final scum, kills me.
3. Mike, master of deduction and probably assisted by the last wills of Toadette and myself, chooses to lynch GameFreak over Fire.

[MattZed]

Yeah, I still feel that there's a very good chance that, after SJ was the one likely chosen to be lynched, Mattzed would have been nightkilled and Gamefreak would have been well set up to convince the town that Firebringer was scum. FB's loss of motivation / rage upon receiving suspicion seemed to be for scummy reasons (regardless of the actual reason for the rage / lack of motivation). I can imagine Gamefreak twisting that well.

I had already found signs of GameFreak not being town, though. (like where I pointed out he still had suspicions of me the day after he allegedly cleared me) My last will would probably have been something like "Mike, it's all up to you. DO NOT BE DUMB. I'm pretty sure it's GameFreak, and here are the reasons why:" It wasn't over, true, but GameFreak would have had to convince Mike that Fire and Super were scumbuddies. I've seen gambits in my time, sure, but the "Fire has an actual lead and GameFreak counterclaimed to stop it" is a much better explanation of how things went than "Fire was tunneling his scum partner harder than MattZed tunnels basically anyone on D1."

[SuperJack]

Problem is post game nothing you say or I say can be taken seriously. Since you now know. And that effects whatever you say even If you say it doesn't.

[MattZed]

Problem is post game nothing you say or I say can be taken seriously. Since you now know. And that effects whatever you say even If you say it doesn't.

I'm not saying knowing everything now doesn't affect how I see things, (I'm probably letting Fire slide more than I would have in the actual game) But Fire knew who both scum were, Mike knew at least one, and my first post after game cancellation, before anyone else calls, nailed both scum:

A full repping says Toadette's LW said much of the same.

*sigh*

It was Super and GameFreak for scum, wasn't it?

I was cit.