S-FM Colder war [restarted setup]

[Suntax]

S-FM Cold War: A 13 Player game

Roles list

Capitalist Scum
President Truman (Godfather)
President Nixon (Consigliere)
American Trooper


Proletariat
Leon Trotsky (Spy+Vigilante)
Vladimir Lenin (Professor+Doctor)
Hidden Communist
Hidden Communist
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)


The Others
Joseph Stalin (serial killer)
Fidel Castro(Witch)

Possible Communist role:
Sleeper agent,Gulag officer,KGB agent,Anti communist agent,Premier Security Service,Premier's personal 'Entertainment'

Spoiler : Capitalist Scum :

President Truman
Action: May be sent for the factional night kill.
Leader of the Mafia, may override night actions.
Heat Action:- The Doctrine, Role block two hand-picked players one night.

President Nixon
Action: Target one person at night, learning their role. Can be sent for the factional kill.
Heat Action:- No Ballistics, Stops all weapons for 1 day and night, does not stop Scum roles. Capitalists cannot use factional kill or guns the next night.

American Trooper
Action: Can be sent for the factional kill.

Spoiler : Proletariat :

Leon Trotsky
Action: Can see all actions made by the mafia (3 uses)
Has a KGB rifle, can shoot and kill a player, 1 use, can use with heat active
Heat action:- Shades, Not give a fuck about anything, gives you 2 vests (last for 2 days)
Is told if attacked with vest on

Vladimir Lenin
Action: Target one player at night, protecting them from attacks
Heat action:- Target one player during the day. You will gain a permanent nightchat with that player.
At the time of your death your Protegee will gain a one use vest.
Target is not told if healed,
Lenin told if heal is successful

Sleeper agent
Action: Target one player at night, learning who targeted them AND learning who they targeted.
If attacked by Western Scum is activated and turned over to their side as a mafioso

Gulag Officer
Can select a Political opponent(player) at night to Throw in the Gulag,
While in the Gulag the PO is role blocked,healed and is able to speak to the Gulag officer
The Gulag officer can choose 1 of 2 actions to do:
1. Stage an accident in the gulag killing the PO (1 use)
2. Torture the PO revealing a random piece of information, this info can be anything from a whole players role to a random action that happened last night.(3 uses)

KGB agent
Starts with a one use vest
Can torture a player at night revealing a piece of random information about said player
Heat action: Kneecapper, fires a shotgun at a player role blocking them and making them unable to vote the next day (1 use)
If sleeper agent is converted in game KGB agent gains 1 rifle (day or night shoot).

Anti-Communist Agent
Ask a player during the day to post a anonymous message for the next day
player asked must post a report to the Putin(me) to be posted to town if they do not comply a 'Accident, will be staged on such player.
if attacked by the Capitalist Scum will covert into a American reporter.

Premier's personal 'Entertainment'
choose a player at night to roleblock
if lands on Leon OR Lenin they will not be roleblocked
player will be notified of roleblock.

Premier Security Service
Choose a player at night to guard, if that player is attacked both players will die
Heat action: Known attacker, if PSS is attacked the attacker dies and the PSS does not (lasts for 1 day, 1 use)
Soviet Worker
Action: None
Has the power of the vote.

Spoiler : The Others :

Joseph Stalin
Action: Kill one player at night
Has a 1-use autovest.
Heat Action:-NKVD, Finds out a random players role
Heat Action 2:-5 Year plan-for 2 days, a random player is roleblocked each night.

American Reporter
Choose a player to post a anonymous message the next day, non mandatory
Heat action:Free Press, Change his/her win con to:
Make sure the Proletariat wins-is revealed to town but cannot be lynched for 1 day.
Make sure Stalin wins-gain a auto vest and 1 use gun.
Make sure Fidel Castro wins-gets revealed but is immune to attacks.
Continue with the Own agenda-Continue with win condition.

Fidel Castro
Action: Redirect a player's action towards another at night.
players not notified of redirection
Heat action:- Full disclosure: Learn the alignment of the player you target that night, and redirecrt them normally.

Spoiler : Gulag/KGB torture information :

X player visited X player last night
X player was visited by X player last night
X player is [insert role]
X player is [insert alignment]
X player got roleblocked
X player got [insert action here]
X players previous feedback is[insert past feedback]
A player got [insert action here]

Win conditions
Capitalist Scum-Overpower/Eliminate the Proletarian,and Joseph Stalin with one member alive, wins citizen ties
Proletarian-Eliminate Stalin and the Capitalist Scum with one member alive
Joseph Stalin-Eliminate/Overpower the proletarian and Capitalist scum-wins all ties
American ReporterSurvive till the end with Stalin and Castro dead
Fidel CastroEliminate Nixon and Stalin and be alive to see yourself win.

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1. Night chats/Gulag chat open
2. Professor chat opens
3. Vest/Auto-vest used
4. No ballistics
5. 5 Year plan
6. JFK Redirection
7. Kneecapper
8. Role blocks/The doctrine
9. Detective/Lookout
10. Consiglerie
11. Known attacker
12. Bodyguards move into position
13. Heals
14. Kills
15. Sleeper Agent converted
16. Weapons/vest given out
17. Journalist report sent

Mechanics
Lynch's will be used with vote tags
Roles will be randomized
Days will be 48 hours and nights 24 hours
All mafia share night chats
Last wills and death notes allowed
Guns/vests can not be used with night action
Will start on day

Heat mechanics
Special ability that only certain roles can use
they can only be used once but are very powerful
they can not be used with normal actions

Putins Rule of Conduct

1. I shall reply to all questions in White bold writing
2. No out of game communications
3. a minimum of 3 NON FILLER posts
4. A warning system will be used as 1 warning will be used before replacement or modkill
5. no languages besides Russian and English may be used
6. No videos, pictures allowed within reason
7. No PM quoting,no host exploitation via pm paraphrasing allowed

So comrades any questons and ?? ????????.

Spoiler : CHANGELOG 1.0 :

Added the unique jailer role, Gulag officer.
Minor changes to Name of Russian worker to soviet worker
Added rule to allow death notes and LW
Castro now gets revealed when uses heat action
Minor change to wording of Leon Trotsky spy ability

Spoiler : CHANGELOG 2.0 :

Change confirmed TPR to Hidden communist
Added possible roles
Added Premiers Security Service,Anti communist agent,Premier's personal 'Entertainment' and KGB Agent
Added second heat action to Stalin due to unfairness to Stalin's role.

Spoiler : CHANGELOG 3.0 :

Changed journo win con
Nerfed heat actions to one use only
Added minor change info to mechanics
Added gulags torture information

[FYRE]

Well met comrade

[Suntax]

Hello fyre
I have 2 slots on the sign up thread if you are available within 2 -3 days

[Orpz]

Does Witch have to be alive at the end to win?


Mafia looks really weak from numbers alone. It's 2 Mafia members against 11, and they have no night or detection immunities. Consider buffing them by adding a Mafioso.

[Suntax]

Does Witch have to be alive at the end to win?


Mafia looks really weak from numbers alone. It's 2 Mafia members against 11, and they have no night or detection immunities. Consider buffing them by adding a Mafioso.

Yes he does
Well I have gleamed over as Sen did assit in balancing
I have 2 choices
remove a citizen and add Mafioso
or buff the mafia
also I would like other player feedback(hopefully from cold shitfest game) to comment on mafia strength

[Orpz]

Another buff to the Mafia could be indirect, such as making the Arms Dealer win with Mafia.

[Suntax]

Another buff to the Mafia could be indirect, such as making the Arms Dealer win with Mafia.

Imo that would take away from the point of cadtro being a swing neut with guns .
maybe just taking a cit for a Mafioso
also I'm thinking to allow Castro's guns to dayshoot as a possibility
thoughts?

[Sen]

Remember that the mafia can convert a few of the possible TPRs, so a good hit could translate into +1 mafia, -1 town. If both Hidden Town result in a role that can be converted (ie; KGB ans Sleeper agents), that alone would turn a 2 v 8 v 3 into a 4 v 6 v 3.

I think that's one the hardest parts to balance out, since depending on the Hidden Town rolls, it could either result in a weak mafia or a cultafia. I would suggest making it so all Hidden Town can either be converted or not, but not having some which can, and others that not.

[Suntax]

Or I add this role in place of a cit

Democratic Civilian
Can vote during the day
if attacked by capitalistic scum becomes Capitalist citizen
if attacked by Stalin becomes social democrat


Capitalist citizen-mafia
Has no night action
Can speak with capitalists
owns a vest
must see capitalists win

Social democrat-neutral
Is revealed to town as Social democrat
Owns a auto vest
owns a night only rifle(standard gun)

To Sen
The kgb agent cannot turn into a Mafioso
The kgb agent gains a gun if sleeper agent is turned

[Sen]

Oh, then the card must be edited.
It reads "If KGB agent is converted in game KGB gains 1 gun.", and that was an edit by me. The one you sent me as my role card said I got 2 guns and a vest when converted. I figured that converted = attacked by Capitalists, since I don't see any other way to convert in this setup.

[Suntax]

@Sen, opinion on the 3 roles I put forward as a balancing technique?

[MattZed]

What determines when the game ends?

Do the factions need to have a surviving member to win?

Can Trotsky shoot on a night a vest is active?

Does the game start on day or night?

It seems a little cruel to not give Castro any vests or other night protection in a game with this many night kills.

KGB gains a gun upon sleeper conversion, not KGB conversion, right?

Can a player reveal that a KGB agent has made them unable to vote?

Trotsky action seems overpowered as it can confirm a town, (unless Nixon wants to waste an investigation visiting the GF, which is a dumb WIFOM) and discover role conversions by people not dying.

Some of the wincons for American Reporter seem a little odd-why give him one-day lynch immunity if he's revealed to town? Basically, he's just choosing to be a confirmed townie.

Are players notified of being witched?

[Sen]

@Suntax: Rather than adding more custom roles, I think it would be best to move a Citizen to the mafia, or to replace a Hidden Town with a Goon (but if you do so, please remove the ability of the mafia to convert some Hidden Town).

[Suntax]

What determines when the game ends?
When the proletariat,capitalists or Stalin have eliminated(proletariat) or overpowered(capitalist) the other 2 factions
Do the factions need to have a surviving member to win?
Yes
Can Trotsky shoot on a night a vest is active?
No
Does the game start on day or night?
Day
It seems a little cruel to not give Castro any vests or other night protection in a game with this many night kills.
Will give him a auto vest if it seem ok with people
KGB gains a gun upon sleeper conversion, not KGB conversion, right?
Yes
Can a player reveal that a KGB agent has made them unable to vote?
Yes
Trotsky action seems overpowered as it can confirm a town, (unless Nixon wants to waste an investigation visiting the GF, which is a dumb WIFOM) and discover role conversions by people not dying.

Some of the wincons for American Reporter seem a little odd-why give him one-day lynch immunity if he's revealed to town? Basically, he's just choosing to be a confirmed townie.
Yes
Are players notified of being witched?
No

I will add the things I answered into the main setup

[Sen]

I would remove that vest from Castro; if Castro claims, noone but the Witch have reasons to lynch him, and he has that Revolution ability to stop votes for the next day if he ever feels threatened. The Proletariat wants to lynch scum; there's no time too waste lynches on a Benign. The Capitalists don't have any reason to waste a night kill on the Benign, and definitely not 2 night kills if he has a vest.

Remember what happened last game; Castro claimed d1, and everyone was like "alright, cool", because there's virtually no reason for anyone to focus on him. Having no vest and a Witch targetting him would make a random day 1 claim a risky move.

The only one actively trying to kill Castro will be the Witch. An autovest means the Witch would have to not only figure out a NK role, but to use it twice just to get rid of Castro, and then they have 4 other targets. If you really want to give Castro a vest, I'd suggest giving him a manual one.


Also, on the Witch subject, I think that having to stay alive as a victory condition would make it nearly impossible; it's already the hardest role in the setup as it is, having enemies in all of the factions. I think that being able to live past a SK, a Benign that everybody want alive, the top Capitalist and the 2 strongest Proletariat is enough of an accomplishment and the Witch should be rewarded for it.

[Sen]

Food for thought: Since Castro is getting a free pass from everyone but the Witch, and the Mafia is a bit underpowered, why not get rid of Castro altogether (or pass his name to the Witch for flavour purposes), give the Capitalists an extra Goon, and change the Witch's condition from killing Castro to killing Nixon?

[Suntax]

Food for thought: Since Castro is getting a free pass from everyone but the Witch, and the Mafia is a bit underpowered, why not get rid of Castro altogether (or pass his name to the Witch for flavour purposes), give the Capitalists an extra Goon, and change the Witch's condition from killing Castro to killing Nixon?

Tbh I like it
I'm implementing it
this will be good

[Sen]

Will the witch be able to force night actions? ie; the Witch targets a Roleblocker and redirects him towards X, but the roleblocker decided not to use their ability that night. Will X get roleblocked?

[Suntax]

No

[Stealthbomber16]

The Others arent updated

[Orpz]

Approved for restart a day late, so you'll need to wait another day to fulfill your restart requirements.

[Toadette]

[Mikecall]

Incoming the Coldest War.