S-FM Cold war

[Suntax]

S-FM Cold War: A 13 Player game

Roles list

Capitalist Scum
President Truman (Godfather)
President Nixon (Consigliere)
JFK (Consort)


Proletariat
Leon Trotsky (Spy+Vigilante)
Vladimir Lenin (Professor+Doctor)
Hidden Communist
Hidden Communist
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)


The Others
Joseph Stalin (serial killer)
Fidel Castro (Arms Dealer)

Possible Communist role:
Sleeper agent,Gulag officer,KGB agent,Anti communist agent,Premier Security Service,Premier's personal 'Entertainment'

Spoiler : Capitalist Scum :

President Truman

Action: May be sent for the factional night kill.
Leader of the Mafia, may override night actions.
Heat Action:- The Doctrine, Role block all town and others ability

President Nixon

Action: Target one person at night, learning their role
Heat Action:- No Ballistics, Stops all weapons for 1 day and night, does not stop Scum roles. (1)

JFK

Action: Target one player at night, roleblocking them.
Heat action:- Become The assassin, gives JFK a one shot gun and Nixon a one use vest

Mafioso

Action: May be sent for the factional night kill.

Spoiler : Proletariat :

Leon Trotsky
Action: Can see all actions made by the mafia (3 uses)
Has a KGB rifle, can shot and kill a player, 2 uses
Heat action:- Shades, Not give a fuck about anything, gives you 2 vests (last for 2 days)
Is told if attacked with vest on

Vladimir Lenin

Action: Target one player at night, protecting them from attacks
Heat action:- Target one player during the day. You will gain a permanent nightchat with that player.
At the time of your death your Protegee will gain all of your abilities in addition to their role powers.
Target is not told if healed,
Lenin told if heal is successful

Sleeper agent
Action: Target one player at night, learning who targeted them AND learning who they targeted.
If attacked by Western Scum is activated and turned over to their side as a mafioso

Gulag Officer
Can select a Political opponent(player) at night to Throw in the Gulag,
While in the Gulag the PO is role blocked,healed and is able to speak to the Gulag officer
The Gulag officer can choose 1 of 2 actions to do:
1. Stage an accident in the gulag killing the PO (1 use)
2. Torture the PO revealing a random piece of information, this info can be anything from a whole players role to a random action that happened last night.(3 uses)

KGB agent
Starts with a one use vest
Can torture a player at night revealing a piece of random information
Heat action: Kneecapper, fires a shotgun at a player role blocking them and making them unable to vote the next day (1 use)
If sleeper agent is converted in game KGB gains a one use gun and 2 auto vests

Anti-Communist Agent
Ask a player during the day to post a anonymous message for the next day
player asked must post a report to the Putin(me) to be posted to town if they do not comply a 'Accident, will be staged on such player.
if attacked by the Capitalist Scum will covert into a American reporter.

Premier's personal 'Entertainment'
choose a player at night to roleblock
if lands on Leon OR Lenin they will not be roleblocked
player will be notified of roleblock.

Premier Security Service
Choose a player at night to guard, if that player is attacked both players will die
Heat action: Known attacker, if PSS is attacked the attacker dies and the PSS does not (lasts for 1 day, 1 use)

Soviet Worker
Action: None
Has the power of the vote.

Spoiler : The Others :

Joseph Stalin

Action: Kill one player at night
Heat Action:-NKVD, Finds out a random players role
Heat Action 2:-5 Year plan-for 2 days,2 random players are roleblocked

Fidel Castro

Action: Target one player at night, giving them a 1-use gun or a 1-use vest. Mandatory action.
Heat Action:-Revolution, stops all votes for one day but is revealed.

American Reporter
Choose a player to post a anonymous message the next day, non mandatory
Heat action:Free Press, Change his/her win con to:
Make sure the Proletariat wins-is revealed to town but cannot be lynched for 1 day.
Make sure Stalin wins-gain a auto vest and 1 use gun.
Make sure Fidel Castro wins-gets revealed but is immune to attacks.
Continue with the Own agenda-Continue with win condition.

Spoiler : Gulag torture information :

X player visited X player last night
X player was visited by X player last night
X player is [insert role]
X player is [insert alignment]
X player got roleblocked
X player got [insert action here]
X players previous feedback is[insert past feedback]
A player got [insert action here]

Win conditions
Capitalist Scum-Overpower/Eliminate the Proletarian,and Joseph Stalin
Proletarian-Eliminate Stalin and the Capitalist Scum
Joseph Stalin-Eliminate/Overpower the proletarian and Capitalist scum
Fidel Castro-Survive till the end
American ReporterSurvive till the end with Stalin and Castro dead

OoO

1. Night chats/Gulag chat open
2. Professor chat opens
3. Vest/Auto-vest used
4. No ballistics
5. Revolution
6. 5 Year plan
7. Kneecapper
8. Role blocks/The doctrine
9. Detective/Lookout
10. Consiglerie
11. Known attacker
12. Bodyguards move into position
13. Heals
14. Kills
15. Sleeper Agent converted
16. Weapons/vest given out
17. Journalist report sent

Mechanics
Lynch's will be used with vote tags
Roles will be randomized
Days will be 48 hours and nights 24 hours
All mafia share night chats
Last wills and death notes allowed
Guns/vests can not be used with night action

Heat mechanics
Special ability that only certain roles can use
they can only be used once but are very powerful
they can not be used with normal actions

Putins Rule of Conduct

1. I shall reply to all questions in White bold writing
2. No out of game communications
3. a minimum of 3 NON FILLER posts
4. A warning system will be used as 1 warning will be used before replacement or modkill
5. no languages besides Russian and English may be used
6. No videos, pictures allowed within reason
7. No PM quoting, paraphrasing allowed

So comrades any questons and До свидания.

Spoiler : CHANGELOG 1.0 :

Added the unique jailer role, Gulag officer.
Minor changes to Name of Russian worker to soviet worker
Added rule to allow death notes and LW
Castro now gets revealed when uses heat action
Minor change to wording of Leon Trotsky spy ability

Spoiler : CHANGELOG 2.0 :

Change confirmed TPR to Hidden communist
Added possible roles
Added Premiers Security Service,Anti communist agent,Premier's personal 'Entertainment' and KGB Agent
Added second heat action to Stalin due to unfairness to Stalin's role.

Spoiler : CHANGELOG 3.0 :

Changed journo win con
Nerfed heat actions to one use only
Added minor change info to mechanics
Added gulags torture information

[DarknessB]

no languages besides Russian and English may be used

Yuki is going to dominate this game.

[Suntax]

lol well due to Russia being the greatest country on earth, then its England i find that having my own language in here will be useful to me for no reason whatsoever

[Yukitaka Oni]

Yuki is going to dominate this game.

b)o.o)b

[Yukitaka Oni]

Comrade, how's your time in the Gulag v)o.o)>?

[Suntax]

You think i was in a gulag Товарищ. я был экс красный армия и боролся 2 войны я достиг звания старшего лейтенанта, так что если великий человек к этой нации брошен в ГУЛАГ, как кусок капиталист дерьма на моем ботинке то я плевать на эту страну к счастью я не были брошены в ГУЛАГе и как таковой я стоять гордиться.
Приветствую Российской Федерации, все приветствуют бывшего Советского Союза

[Stealthbomber16]

Can see all Mafia targets

For Leon Trotsky I would reword this to

Can see all actions made by the mafia

To be more clear.

Fidel Castro-Survive till the end

Giving out a gun as Fidel seems counterproductive as it's likely to get you killed.

Heat Action:-Revolution, stops all votes for one day

Is Fidel revealed?

I would also add a hidden lesser TPR as sleeper agent can be converted.

[ika]

i would consider making it hidden PRs to beign with (somethign basic maybe) cus i honstley would think a mass rolecall would be ideal

[Orpz]

In my opinion, you should have another town role, whether it is PR or not. Mafia is really powerful in this setup

[Yukitaka Oni]

Pogodi....

[Suntax]

I shall add another for when I have the time arm I do not but I shall
in fidels case in gonna make it mandatory to hand one of the two out.
and yes Fidel will be revealed will add that when I make changes

[Stealthbomber16]

You think i was in a gulag Товарищ. я был экс красный армия и боролся 2 войны я достиг звания старшего лейтенанта, так что если великий человек к этой нации брошен в ГУЛАГ, как кусок капиталист дерьма на моем ботинке то я плевать на эту страну к счастью я не были брошены в ГУЛАГе и как таковой я стоять гордиться.
Приветствую Российской Федерации, все приветствуют бывшего Советского Союза

You think i was in a offsite Comrade . I was a former FM player and fought two FMs , I achieved the rank of counter revolutionist , as if a great person in this community is thrown into the offsite , like a piece of the mafia universe on my shoe , I do not care about this community luckily I have not been thrown into the offsite and how I am proud to stand alone .
Greetings of the Sc2Mafia , welcomed all the former Offsiters

[Suntax]

Ffs stealth dont be google translating my shit and making it relatable
also yuki is a Bosnian

[Cryptonic]

You think i was in a offsite Comrade . I was a former FM player and fought two FMs , I achieved the rank of counter revolutionist , as if a great person in this community is thrown into the offsite , like a piece of the mafia universe on my shoe , I do not care about this community luckily I have not been thrown into the offsite and how I am proud to stand alone .
Greetings of the Sc2Mafia , welcomed all the former Offsiters

savage

[DarknessB]

Ffs stealth dont be google translating my shit and making it relatable
also yuki is a Bosnian

LOL, I like this Suntax guy -- seems like a chill dude.

[Yukitaka Oni]

So we host this game or cyka Blyat v)o.o)>?

[Suntax]

So are we hosting or fucking bitch,legit sentence that makes logic
I need to add a tpr to the proletrait then it should be ready

[DarknessB]

So we host this game or cyka Blyat v)o.o)>?

We must find the cheka?

[Suntax]

I don't think we can find the secret police,it's in the name SECRET but you can try

[Suntax]

Hey stealth
in the tpr role you want it as a power role but with the sleeper agents conversion ability

[DarknessB]

I don't think we can find the secret police,it's in the name SECRET but you can try

Don't blame me -- it was Yuki's idea. He taught me all the Russian I know -- same goes for Forum Mafia strategy too.

[Suntax]

In fairness I don't think yuki is Russian,eastern yes but not Russian
she knows Bosnian as stated with the podogi which is guess in bosnian so yea

[Yukitaka Oni]

We must find the cheka?

KGB is watching us b)o.o)b?

[Yukitaka Oni]

In fairness I don't think yuki is Russian,eastern yes but not Russian
she knows Bosnian as stated with the podogi which is guess in bosnian so yea

sit down and let's listen to Yuki story about his life v)o.o)v v)o.o)v <(o.o(v
Long time ago....Yuki had a friend name Nikolai Vladimir. A son of a patriot family, his father died by a cancer because his depression over the fall of the great Soviet Union. His mother died by the radiation chemical (you know where). Although his old house is fled up by the chemical accident, he decided to live near the prohibited area.....Yuki become his friend and share the feeling about the glorious Communism idea and the sad feeling about living without parent. v)o.o)v v(o.o(v Yuki and Nikolai travel all the communist country and spend their time together (Yuki visit Russia 3 months). In the end, they come to Japan to visit some of their old friend.....One day, it's was raining they come to orphan hospital to hide from rain. Yuki take a look around these orphan children and see a little angle v)o.o)v <(o.o(< she's a little girl but Yuki like her and pick her up. Decided to become her guardian. He named this little girl :Mina Oni v)o.o)^
And this is how legend is born v)o.o)>......A communist Yukitaka Oni! And a little girl Mina Oni

[Yukitaka Oni]

Don't blame me -- it was Yuki's idea. He taught me all the Russian I know -- same goes for Forum Mafia strategy too.

Unable to read scum Yuki ?)o.o)?

[powerofdeath]

I like the heat mechanics

[Stealthbomber16]

I like the heat mechanics

Same

[Stealthbomber16]

Hey stealth
in the tpr role you want it as a power role but with the sleeper agents conversion ability

I'd say a TPR that gains power if the sleeper agent is converted, or gains extra pier if the agent is converted

[Suntax]

I like the heat mechanics

thank you

[Suntax]

Also Changes have been made

Spoiler : CHANGELOG 1.0 :

Added the unique jailer role, Gulag officer.
Minor changes to Name of Russian worker to soviet worker
Added rule to allow death notes and LW
Castro now gets revealed when uses heat action
Minor change to wording of Leon Trotsky spy ability

Spoiler : CHANGELOG 2.0 :

Change confirmed TPR to Hidden communist
Added possible roles
Added Premiers Security Service,Anti communist agent,Premier's personal 'Entertainment' and KGB Agent
Added second heat action to Stalin due to unfairness to Stalin's role

[Orpz]

Make sure to have heat actions on the OoO!

Does Nixon's heat action stop his own teammate's bullets?
Can you use guns and vests with your night action in the same night?
Can you use Heat action with your regular night ability in the same night?

I'm assuming Lenin's protege is the person he chooses to chat with. Lenin's nightchat protege gains his abilities, does that include the Heat Action? What if his protege was a Mafia role? In my opinion, just having the night chat is good enough of a heat action.

How many times can the Gulag Officer torture his PO? Please give me a full list of possible information that can be extracted from torturing.



Auto-vests on a Spy/Vigilante town role seems quite OP, to be honest. I recommend changing Trotsky's heat action to give manual vests instead, so he has to decide between offense and defense, rather than getting both.

A lot of Town roles have potential to convert into the Mafia (or to American Reporter then Mafia). This isn't very fun to play against, nor is it fair. If you want a role to convert to the Mafia, you should have it start out as Neutral first. Having it take up a Town slot is too devastating.

I'll continue once you answer these first rounds of questions.

My favorite Russian valentine's day line is "Leon Trotsky thinks you're Hotsky"

[Stealthbomber16]

My favorite Russian valentine's day line is "Leon Trotsky thinks you're Hotsky"

[Suntax]

Make sure to have heat actions on the OoO!

Does Nixon's heat action stop his own teammate's bullets?
Can you use guns and vests with your night action in the same night?
Can you use Heat action with your regular night ability in the same night?

I'm assuming Lenin's protege is the person he chooses to chat with. Lenin's nightchat protege gains his abilities, does that include the Heat Action? What if his protege was a Mafia role? In my opinion, just having the night chat is good enough of a heat action.

How many times can the Gulag Officer torture his PO? Please give me a full list of possible information that can be extracted from torturing.



Auto-vests on a Spy/Vigilante town role seems quite OP, to be honest. I recommend changing Trotsky's heat action to give manual vests instead, so he has to decide between offense and defense, rather than getting both.

A lot of Town roles have potential to convert into the Mafia (or to American Reporter then Mafia). This isn't very fun to play against, nor is it fair. If you want a role to convert to the Mafia, you should have it start out as Neutral first. Having it take up a Town slot is too devastating.

I'll continue once you answer these first rounds of questions.

My favorite Russian valentine's day line is "Leon Trotsky thinks you're Hotsky"

Ok will add to popwhen I get time to make changes
no on the first 3
does not include heat action,the protege can be anyone mafia,town or neutral,
the gulag officer can torture 3 times will add in later along with feedback list
Ok will change to Manuel vests
I see only 2 role that change into mafia the sleeper and journalist,if needed I shall take the ability to turn into a mafiso off American reporter and change win con to
eliminate Leon Trotsky Or Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin as starting win con ir that's a good solve
otherwise I can turn the American reporter into a neutral role and add a couple different hidden neuts and have Castro taken out as a fixed character

[Yukitaka Oni]

Cry me a river

[Orpz]

Your header says this is a 12 player game, but I count 13 in the roles list. Please correct this.

Also, please make sure the answers to my questions are somehow incorporated on the original posts. Stuff like "Guns can not be used with night actions" should be listed on a role card or mechanics.


In my opinion, all Heat Actions are so strong that making them able to be used more than once makes no sense, even if there's a day in between. Please nerf the multi-use ones a bit or make sure they can only be used once.

I'm fine with you having a role that converts into Mafia, but two of them is excessive. They also take up a Town spot to begin with, which is extremely powerful.

Consider the starting 3v8v2. There's no lynch, and that night Mafia takes out the Sleeper Agent (converting him) and Stalin kills a Town. The next day will be 4v6v2, which is basically MYLO on day 2. This isn't even considering the possibility of a the Anti-Communist Agent adding another potential Mafia member. I recommend making sure the roles that can change into Mafia begin as Neutral, or remove one of them

[Suntax]

Your header says this is a 12 player game, but I count 13 in the roles list. Please correct this.
Yes will do problems in house are restricting my ability to change
Also, please make sure the answers to my questions are somehow incorporated on the original posts. Stuff like "Guns can not be used with night actions" should be listed on a role card or mechanics.
Ok

In my opinion, all Heat Actions are so strong that making them able to be used more than once makes no sense, even if there's a day in between. Please nerf the multi-use ones a bit or make sure they can only be used once.
Will lower to only once
I'm fine with you having a role that converts into Mafia, but two of them is excessive. They also take up a Town spot to begin with, which is extremely powerful.

Consider the starting 3v8v2. There's no lynch, and that night Mafia takes out the Sleeper Agent (converting him) and Stalin kills a Town. The next day will be 4v6v2, which is basically MYLO on day 2. This isn't even considering the possibility of a the Anti-Communist Agent adding another potential Mafia member. I recommend making sure the roles that can change into Mafia begin as Neutral, or remove one of them

I will rework the journalist role

[Suntax]

finished with changes

Spoiler : CHANGELOG 3.0 :

Changed journo win con
Nerfed heat actions to one use only
Added minor change info to mechanics
Added gulags torture information

[Suntax]

Question to the public:
At this moment in time the setup is in my personal opinion balanced and could equate into a fun game however if there is any other queries or concerns about the setup i would be happy to oblige and answers any queries

-thank you, Suntax

[Orpz]

Leon Trotsky could use some balancing and clarification.

Is being able to see Mafia targets a passive or active ability? (Passive meaning it activates without him needing to PM the host, Active meaning he has to tell the host he wants to use it)
If it's a passive ability, you should take away his survivability because it would be OP to just be able to read Mafia's targets while vesting.
In my opinion, you should rework the spy aspect or make it so it's an active ability with a limited amount of charges.


For the Anti-Communist Agent, does he PM you during the day or night to use his ability? You have it listed as night, and I wanted to clarify because nights are only 24 hours and if the target is received at night, there isn't a lot of time to send out the interview notice.

For the Premier's Entertainment, it's alright to have Leon/Lenin not be affected by the roleblock, but they shouldn't be able to confirm the Premier's identity too, because that's confirming a town power role and quite overpowered.

Also, you have two non-town roles that can essentially skip a day by banning all votes (Stalin and Fidel Castro). I'm not sure if that's intended, but it's excessive. I'd try to limit that to only one.

This should be the last round of questions. The heat actions were difficult to balance

[Suntax]

It's an active ability he can use
I will add in its a 3 uses

[Orpz]

It's an active ability he can use
I will add in its a 3 uses

Thanks for the quick reply. I edited in my posts with more questions since then

[Suntax]

It should be pm in day for night so I will change that
will edit to not reveal premier
will edit Stalin to not stop votes

CHANGED

[Orpz]

This should be approved in 2-3 days

[DarknessB]

This should be approved in 2-3 days

Quit Stalin -- this setup received high Marx!

[Suntax]

Quit Stalin -- this setup received high Marx!

Well played comrade well played
Also yay but it's Christmas here in vladivostok so see you all later

[Suntax]

2 to 3 days
in the motherland it's day 4
I suspect day 3 in the rest of the world
any update on approval time as I don't understand when a sfm will get approved.

[Orpz]

I had planned to in a few hours ;) Merry Christmas

Approved

[Suntax]

Merry Christmas my fine man

[Numbertwo]

Sign

[Suntax]

Wrong place numbertwo
any case I put you down on the list