S-FM 167: Standard

[SuperJack]

Sigh...

-vote rlvg

[Toadette]

Just waiting on you now Iced.

[RLVG]

I am in fact a Doctor.



This was the LW I had posted :

N1 Yuki, N2 PoD, N3 Calix.
Was roleblocked N1 and N2.

I did breadcrumb and softclaim, which is the reason I'm very sure there's a consort.
Have faith in you guys to figure this out, so that's all I'm going to say.

N4 I targeted Toadette, didn't bother to update LW.

If you decide to lynch me, then fine, Town still has a very small chance of winning.
Just don't forget one detail : I had a long time to hammer someone, I called out on it that there's TWO L-1's and Ice unvoted in response, which makes me believe he's a Town.

If I were Mafia, I'd quickhammer that L1, kill a Town and then cause a mexican standoff with the neutral who happens to be Yuki. (based on amnesiac claim and etc)



Mafia is between either Toadette or SuperJack.

[RLVG]

BTW Jack, you were at L-1 and neither me nor RLVG hammered you. I didn't because I know you're town. I'm pretty sure RLVG didn't because he needs the arson (Yuki) to die. That's the only reason he's going along with my plan.

Also, this is a logical fallacy. If Toadette is guessing that Yuki is an Arson and the reason for voting her was because of that, then she's not following the game.

After getting rid of the Neutral, we'd be in a 2v1 situation which the Town has a better chance of winning than 3v1v1.

Not only that, Arson can potentially kill all of us at the same time, so getting the Mafia first instead of the confirmed Neutral would be a potentially gamebreaking move by the Town, in a negative way. I don't even think Yuki is an Arson lol.

So her reason to vote me is that I'm scummy and she's causing a false dilemma between that the ONLY option is RLVG or Toadette, when there's clearly other players. Toadette is orchestrating a gambit. I remain the Un-CC'd Protective claim. Logical thing to do as a Sheriff in this situation is lynch the Neutral, have the Doctor claimed player heal the Sheriff while investigating one of the two remaining players and if the Doctor dies then the Sheriff ain't all that cleared but a mislynch bait is gone, if the Sheriff is killed then the Doctor is instant lynched.



TLDR: Toadette is Mafia or weak minded sheriff.

[Toadette]

Also, this is a logical fallacy. If Toadette is guessing that Yuki is an Arson and the reason for voting her was because of that, then she's not following the game.

After getting rid of the Neutral, we'd be in a 2v1 situation which the Town has a better chance of winning than 3v1v1.

Not only that, Arson can potentially kill all of us at the same time, so getting the Mafia first instead of the confirmed Neutral would be a potentially gamebreaking move by the Town, in a negative way. I don't even think Yuki is an Arson lol.

So her reason to vote me is that I'm scummy and she's causing a false dilemma between that the ONLY option is RLVG or Toadette, when there's clearly other players. Toadette is orchestrating a gambit. I remain the Un-CC'd Protective claim. Logical thing to do as a Sheriff in this situation is lynch the Neutral, have the Doctor claimed player heal the Sheriff while investigating one of the two remaining players and if the Doctor dies then the Sheriff ain't all that cleared but a mislynch bait is gone, if the Sheriff is killed then the Doctor is instant lynched.



TLDR: Toadette is Mafia or weak minded sheriff.

So you're voting me instead of sticking to your guns due to OMGUS? Nice.

[Iced_Monopoly]

That day end timer is a bit odd on my phone, how long remains of the day?

[Iced_Monopoly]

Prepare for likely ridiculous theory...

Yuki is town and has voted sj because sj is neut/amne. Sj remembered actress and toadette is his scum buddy currently bussing him. However unlikely, its still suspicious that sj has avoided a lot of scrutiny and has been defended by almost only toadette

[RLVG]

So you're voting me instead of sticking to your guns due to OMGUS? Nice.

This isn't a worthy counter-comment. All you're saying is that it's OMGUS lol.

I voted you because you're legitimately scummy, are not playing out your role, have selective buddying and antagonising, and the fact you didn't act out a night one action.
Your argument on me? "Fake Dilema" gambit, I only vote Yuki because I need to get rid of an arsonist? I never discussed about Arson at all lolz.

The fact you're so closed minded and et cetera, just screams Mafia to me.



I'm off, ain't changing my vote.

[Toadette]

Prepare for likely ridiculous theory...

Yuki is town and has voted sj because sj is neut/amne. Sj remembered actress and toadette is his scum buddy currently bussing him. However unlikely, its still suspicious that sj has avoided a lot of scrutiny and has been defended by almost only toadette

Don't be thick. SJ is town and there's only 1 mafia left.

[Toadette]

This isn't a worthy counter-comment. All you're saying is that it's OMGUS lol.

I voted you because you're legitimately scummy, are not playing out your role, have selective buddying and antagonising, and the fact you didn't act out a night one action.
Your argument on me? "Fake Dilema" gambit, I only vote Yuki because I need to get rid of an arsonist? I never discussed about Arson at all lolz.

The fact you're so closed minded and et cetera, just screams Mafia to me.



I'm off, ain't changing my vote.

You're saying I'm not playing my role when I forgot to submit a night action 1 night. It happens. That's not "not playing your role", that's forgetting to submit a night action.

[AppleyNO]

That day end timer is a bit odd on my phone, how long remains of the day?

4 minutes >.>

[AppleyNO]

Night Five

No one was lynched.


Day Five will begin in 23.5 hours at December 14th, 2015 at 7:30pm CST - https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=December+14%2C+2015+8pm+CST

Players Alive
1. Teld SuperJack
4. RLVG
6. Yukitaka Oni
10. Iced_Monopoly
11. Toadette


Graveyard
8. Mikecall
2. Frog
7. Zekrom2802
9. powerofdeath
13. Suntax
12. TheDarkestLight
5. Ika
3. Calix

Role List
Framer
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia
Citizen
Citizen
Detective
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Executioner
Hidden Neutral

Link to Setup:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...S-FM-Standard?
Day Zero:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...M-167-Standard
Day One:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...461#post539461
Day Two:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...013#post540013
Day Three:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...543#post540543
Day Four:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...365#post541365

Good luck players!

[AppleyNO]

Because I have an MIT Skype interview at 8:00pm tomorrow, day will start 30 minutes in advanced.

[AppleyNO]

Day Five

RLVG was found dead. He was a Doctor.

He left a Last Will

Spoiler : Last Will :

LW :

Spoiler : Last Will :

Time to win with the Town, or fail and be responsible for the loss of the Town.

I no longer trust Toadette. The day ended with a No Lynch which I preferred due to the situation between our disputes.

Toadette is not playing her role out :

• She forgot to do a night action.
• She isn't thinking Pro-Town.
• She's doing the Strawman Gambit.
• She's also attempting to force the logical fallacy False Dilema.
• She isn't lynching the Arsonist when there's 1 Mafia remaining.
• She prefers to mislynch the Doctor as opposed to lynch Neutral.
• She also prefers to potentially mislynch over No Lynch to gain additional information.
• She twists my words trying to gain extra cred.
• She also claims OMGUS on me, when it's not that - it's a legitimate vote.
• She's also oddly buddying together with SuperJack spite not having actual feedback of him.
• She had a very dismissing comment on my argument about lynching the Neutral.
• She also arrogantly says "Vote RLVG and lets end this game by lynching scum", ignoring SJ and Yuki completely.
• N1 no action, N2 Iced, N3 TDL (Who died, thinks Yuki is detective - nice excuse).
• The scum actively kills off the Citizen, not the PR - logically I should've been killed.

Townpoints to RLVG :

• I had the chance to hammer someone who was L-1. I called it out and had Iced unvote.
• The only Protective claim.
• Provided logical facts and arguments.

I genuinely believe Iced is Town, Toadette is misinformed Sheriff OR Mafia, Yuki being the silly Amnesiac.

If I die, don't hesitate - just lynch Toadette.

Because of this, I will NOT heal Toadette. I will instead go and heal Iced.

If this backfires and the two of us are actually PR, then GG Town.

With 4 players left alive, it takes 300 votes to hammer..
Night Six will begin in 48.5 hours at December 16th, 2015 at 8:00pm CST - https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=December+16%2C+2015+8pm+CST

Players Alive
1. Teld SuperJack
6. Yukitaka Oni
10. Iced_Monopoly
11. Toadette


Graveyard
8. Mikecall
2. Frog
7. Zekrom2802
9. powerofdeath
13. Suntax
12. TheDarkestLight
5. Ika
3. Calix
4. RLVG

Role List
Framer
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia
Citizen
Citizen
Detective
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Doctor
Hidden Town
Executioner
Hidden Neutral

Link to Setup:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...S-FM-Standard?
Day Zero:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...M-167-Standard
Day One:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...461#post539461
Day Two:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...013#post540013
Day Three:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...543#post540543
Day Four:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...365#post541365
Day Five:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...152#post542152

Good luck players!

[Toadette]

I can't believe he suggested a no lynch.

Well, I played bad this game guys, I'm sorry. The only way to lynch Superjack is to get Iced and Yuki on board, but I have no way of proving I'm sheriff given I gave no leads whatsoever.

Sorry for the suboptimal play :-\ Just wasn't my game. Don't blame you if you mislynch me iced.

-vote SuperJack

[AppleyNO]

Also I recommend the music. I think it's quite fitting for the situation.

[Toadette]

Also @RLVG

No need to be a douche. Seriously, I just forgot a night action for a night, and I was upfront about it. It's finals season and I was hosting a game and it's Christmas season as well. I played my role the best I could under the circumstances, just fell short.

[Iced_Monopoly]

My lw from last night.



Right, so I missed day end, and will likely be killed tonight, was busy compiling ISO's... From my re-read, at this stage I was planning to drop my vote on toadette. She has been in defence of yuki for some time, worked fast to clear me, and maintained a vocal read on SJ being town, looks like buying votes to me. She also 'forgot' to submit an action n1, which just doesnt seem likely, but thats debatable. Her defense towards the end was also weak, spent more time making weak attacks against rlvg than defending her own position. Il admit RLVG is scummy as fuck too, and was my original choice for last mafia, but the re-read has tipped me more to toadette. GL for tomorrow. Below are the iso's for everyone but yuki, since he has so many posts, all of which are irrelevant.

Addition:
At this point yuki is probably amne turned scum, he hasnt posted as frequently this last day, and moved his vote away from the two disputed targets. Seems like he wanted the day to end in a no lynch to take a scum role tonight, before tying up the votes tomorrow and taking the win.

RLVG:

FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME
Lol noted.
Oh no, I won.
YOU AYNT BIG BRO FIREBRUNG

Bussing Frog.
-vote Frog

That if it's a scum who didn't read the rolecard?

We don't really know that.
Those who plays the first day without reading the rolecard all sexually identify themselves as potato's.

Choo choo, train to work.
THE WIFI IS SHIT
Let's see... They're scummy. Very subtle rolehunt. Good vig target.

And don't replace, Ika. I like that you're in the same games that I am.

Codeword: sixteenth to tenth ratio comeback cockblock.

I buddy friends like my Fridays.

Topics to discuss : why Frog ain't sexy but scummy.

No. I voted him ages ago for a reason.

Choo choo stops, heading to work on foot.

WIFOM.

You're scummy.

Implying we're too stupid to check for ourselves.

I never suggested to not read rolecards, lol.
I read mine, so I get to decide what to do with that information.

TDL is just as scummy, JSYK.

YET WE RARELY NOLYNCH HERPDERP

That's only doctor and jester.

There's also "distancing" and not just bus.

I've seen a hyped TDL Citizen with good play.

I don't see jester play from PoD.

Vig on PoD, Det on Frog, Invest on TDL, Doc on RLVG, blacksmith on Toadette, Journalist on Mike.

It's all WIFOM.

Sooo guys, I figured out something.

Claiming anything is bad in this setup even in pressure.
Vote to lynch until D3.

Pro-NL D1:
Why lynch without clues and facts? No mislynch on PR.
Scum doesn't know game based on flip. Higher scum vs scum accidents that way.

Appley's totally up for some philanthropy.

1v1 has neutral over mafia. If Mafia 1v1 a Jester or Executor, do mafia lose?

All them scum reads on me are very informative. Keep the salt flowing on while I do absolutely nothing but point one thing out.
Neutral killers are actually vulnerable to basic attacks! That's a valid reason to have two killers in the game.

Codeword : Royal flush.

He never defends himself but instead trolls his way to the limelight.
Tell me what you think of that.

Scummy for not even commenting on my random "fact" I randomly pointed out, which is actually a gamechanger.

Playing the pronoun game made me get an answer out of you when I actually ment Zekrom, but I still wanted dat check on you lol.

Quote Originally Posted by powerofdeath View Post
idc
No benign neutrals, only killers. Can be killed by anyone, vulnerable.

I already revived.
IN YOUR HEARTS

Heavily implied by host!
(I might be shit at reading between the lines tho)

-vote Teld

Exactly.

Vote him.

No one will vote him anyway.
Or will they now that I said they won't?

I guess they won't want to not do it.

#oldschoolwifom

On the case as to why I vote him tho, he's absolutely absent and being immediately pressured would give him an excuse to rush through and get active.

Frog and TDL are the scummiest, but no one will pick up on my selective reading and minor meta.

This is a fucking school exam?

It would make me a hypocrite to test people randomly, but not allow others to also do that themselves.
I'm just poking at the "wrong" answer, there's no actual definitive "correct" answer to that thing.

'sup darkie

Himself?

I suppose "Androgynous" would be the correct word.

There's less than two hours lest, FYI.

Based on votes and activity on players, we have to determine if we do want to lynch Mike, or go for a No Lynch.
I can put him on L-1.

Of course, Miss Pro Lynch.

-vote Mikecall

Some asshole roleblocked me.

FIX PLZ

Then why the fuck is Day Zero followed by Night One but we get Day One after Night One as opposed to Night Zero?

Why the fuck did you claim PR?

I'm also quite, quite disappointed in Frog.

WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR LAST WILL YOU FROG

Based on the lack of Last Will, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt and assume Frog might've been an Actress.
Pedit : Lol, you called out on me before I could post it.

Nothing says I auto-assume he's town at all. I expect this dude to post anything for a last will, even a filler link to zombo or something.
Nothing is out of character!

You roleblocked me?
Damn, banged by an androgynous.

K

-vote TheDarkestLight


Pedit : If we lynch too fast, then that rule becomes abolished in respect of those in different timezones.

We're on to a start.

Oh hun, I'm always living on the edge of scum and town.

Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
Are we taking Yuki's claim seriously or not? I'm dubious over the two neutrals being unable to kill anyone for obvious reasons.

If they're a Jester and the Host planned for this, then that's two kills set up for town either way.
I don't know if we should take that claim seriously. I might softclaim by jokingly claim I'm an Amnesiac myself and it won't get far, unless if we actually hardclaim it.

Yuki is Yuki tho, so a hardclaim might not be too believeable either.

-vote Zekrom2802

I bet it was two words long!
Wait guys!

-Dayshoot Yukitaka

Fuck WIFOM.

Framer :
- Target has a flipped result for Sheriffs.
- Detectives will see target visit the Mafia kill target.

Actress :
- Target someone, when dying they will flip as the role of the target.



These are the two only possible roles.

Actress acts after Arsonist, Mafia Kills, Vigilante Kills and Jester Suicide.
Framer is obvious that it isn't the case here.

Frog is a Citizen.

IHMEOY

Scummy. Manipulation of analysis.

Why frame the one that's going to be night killed by the Mafia?
Actress works in the long-con.

Hmm, I found something oddly specific and curious.

Framers can frame someone, consiglieres will think the target is a Framer.
There's no bus drivers and doctors.

This means that if there's a Framer, it's likely that there's a Consig may be around to verify that the target got framed in case of an opposing Escort.
Should that scenario exist, then there was an Escort on me.



This does in no way affect the case on Zekrom. He's still scum lol.

I have no idea if the Mafia would ever do that, but it's a possibility based on that the host actually puts out framed targets show as framers to Consig, without Busdrivers / witches.
The host's idea lol.

It's non-existant with me.

How about no?

Calix already made a great ISO and I'm in agreement to most of it.



If Yuki isn't going to contribute anytime soon, I'll eventually look at them as scummy. Trolling can only get so far.

You're playing Mafia.

Don't forget that I claimed I was roleblocked.

This being one of the very first posts, too.

Doc will heal you if you hammer.

I was roleblocked again.

The fact I was roleblocked twice makes me extremely sure of that it's a Consort.

I'm not all sure on this whole suntax train of thought regarding the buddying with Zekrom, it would more depend on the logic of seeing the clear and obvious contradiction rather than the buddying since Zekrom knows how to troll a mislynch.

Also, the random votes on Calix are just suspicious as hell.

I'll be loud on this one : Iced's analyse of me is kinda scummy and wastly inaccurate. It's my normal playstyle lol, but he might not know the meta. Still, I was focused on Zekrom's lynch because of his fucking contradiction. Mike wasn't as contradictory and I didn't have the "evil scum" feeling.



P.S message to the scum: Instead of roleblocking me, just kill me. KK THX FGTS

Lol, no. That's a really bad play and very transparrent.

The fact that you're actually thinking like that makes me somewhat suspicious of you.
I'm also reading between the lines and I notice a few things.



I'd rather lynch Yuki and get a replacement.

-vote Yukitaka Oni

And if he's town?

You're forgetting that he'll be either replaced, or modkilled for inactivity anyway.

We're essentially wasting a lynch if that would happen.



Yuki on the other hand, has some strange interaction with Calix, while being completely uncontributive to the game. The most contribution ever made was sheeping.

Lol, Ika responded to my post that happened less than 30min ago.

Oh I'm so triggered right now.
(Seriously though, insulted? Lol no)



Anyway, you're a bit difficult to read. You tend to quote once or twice and then post everything from thoughts to side comments, sometimes out of context.
Can you be a little more... Contex-ty? (Invented a new word, go with it)

A friend shown me how ISO worked in a different Mafia scum.
Semi-nope, we never had that feature here. All we have is advanced search.

This is your "ISO", Ika.
It mixes with every thread and doesn't make it exclusive to this thread, as well posts are cut just like when viewing posts from profile page.

I'm sorry to hear that. Hope things are getting better for you!

Yuki's scummier and Ice'd will be vigilante'd anyway.

It ain't a freudian slip nor a softclaim.

WIFOM.

WIFOM can ruin the flow of the game if used right / wrong.

I want to lynch Yuki.

I want an ISO with individual quotes and not everything mish-mashed into one. Makes it easier and there's a nice button on the top of quote which takes you to the post.

Quote Originally Posted by Suntax View Post
Superjack you have just announced that I'm getting lynchedcno matter what I say so is there a point of my defence
I wanna lynch Yewki Dunno, but now you're making yourself look damn scummy.

When you see "Originally posted by Calix [>>]", click the [>>] button.

I was speaking to you to clarify on what I ment.

If you're doing an ISO, I'd rather that you quote each post in a list, rather than putting everything unquoted under a single quote.



What to do :

A
B
C
What not to do :

Ah nevermind, I'm just being semi-retarded.

The quotes were not quoted so it looked way different. That's something that really annoys me on this forum.

I'm lazy headed at the moment and when I read your post about "This is the ISO I made", the post you quoted didn't include the posts it containted so I was like "Ahuh..."

I didn't check the actual post until my realization, so I'm truly the idiot here.

Sooo... Let's forget about that whole stupidity of mine.



Suntax or Yuki?

I don't know what Yuki is, if it's a He, She or It. One thing is for sure though, Scum might want to keep them alive as scumbait.

I'm all up for pressuring Yuki tomorrow, moving my vote.

-vote Suntax

Reminder.

Suntax is L-2

TRIGGERED
Or way worse.

Scum being Scummy? Okay, Doctor will likely heal the Town.
Scum being Towny and the Town being Scummy? Okay, Doctor will likely heal the Scum. GG.

Seriously, can a Vigilante euthanize this androgynous Yuki?

Can we have Shortcut Links to each day on the OP?

Can we policy lynch Yuki?

And why am I scum?

I was not roleblocked tonight. That's my LW.

Doctor.

Well, you don't have any guilty feedback and you forgot to do an action.
I can't exactly trust you lol.

Don't forget the roleblocker.

I'll be healing you for sure.



-vote Ika

Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Neutral

Claim Sheriff, gets me dragged along a gambit to heal.

Wants to lynch a possible Jester which gurantees the death of Town.
(Lynch Jester = 2v2, then Jester can pick who dies. 1v2 or 2v1, Mafia kills off the last one, 1v1.)



Sorry hun, you slipped by thinking un-Pro-Town.
-vote Toadette

Damn, I completely forgot about that lol.

-unvote

Nah, I'm not Mafia. You even had the chance to check me and it would be far more beneficial for the Sheriff to confirm the Doctor.

Lol, let's see if Yuki wants to.

-vote Yukitaka Oni

Two L-1's!

Or alternatively we can just No Lynch and see who the Mafia kills?

Assuming that Neutral won't be killed.


I'm voting Toadette because I doubt she's a Sheriff and her play doesn't all match up to the role.
-vote Toadette

I am in fact a Doctor.



This was the LW I had posted :

N1 Yuki, N2 PoD, N3 Calix.
Was roleblocked N1 and N2.

I did breadcrumb and softclaim, which is the reason I'm very sure there's a consort.
Have faith in you guys to figure this out, so that's all I'm going to say.
N4 I targeted Toadette, didn't bother to update LW.

If you decide to lynch me, then fine, Town still has a very small chance of winning.
Just don't forget one detail : I had a long time to hammer someone, I called out on it that there's TWO L-1's and Ice unvoted in response, which makes me believe he's a Town.

If I were Mafia, I'd quickhammer that L1, kill a Town and then cause a mexican standoff with the neutral who happens to be Yuki. (based on amnesiac claim and etc)



Mafia is between either Toadette or SuperJack.

Also, this is a logical fallacy. If Toadette is guessing that Yuki is an Arson and the reason for voting her was because of that, then she's not following the game.

After getting rid of the Neutral, we'd be in a 2v1 situation which the Town has a better chance of winning than 3v1v1.

Not only that, Arson can potentially kill all of us at the same time, so getting the Mafia first instead of the confirmed Neutral would be a potentially gamebreaking move by the Town, in a negative way. I don't even think Yuki is an Arson lol.

So her reason to vote me is that I'm scummy and she's causing a false dilemma between that the ONLY option is RLVG or Toadette, when there's clearly other players. Toadette is orchestrating a gambit. I remain the Un-CC'd Protective claim. Logical thing to do as a Sheriff in this situation is lynch the Neutral, have the Doctor claimed player heal the Sheriff while investigating one of the two remaining players and if the Doctor dies then the Sheriff ain't all that cleared but a mislynch bait is gone, if the Sheriff is killed then the Doctor is instant lynched.



TLDR: Toadette is Mafia or weak minded sheriff.

This isn't a worthy counter-comment. All you're saying is that it's OMGUS lol.

I voted you because you're legitimately scummy, are not playing out your role, have selective buddying and antagonising, and the fact you didn't act out a night one action.
Your argument on me? "Fake Dilema" gambit, I only vote Yuki because I need to get rid of an arsonist? I never discussed about Arson at all lolz.

The fact you're so closed minded and et cetera, just screams Mafia to me.



I'm off, ain't changing my vote.

Toadette:

Hi all. Sorry to say I won't be able to be quite as active this game as I usually am, but I will give an effort.
Case on Yuki is misguided, but POD giving off town vibes.
My good friend Iced Monopoly feels scummy for giving an RVS mini train steam by being its third vote. High chance of scum there.

-vote Iced_Monopoly

This makes a lot of sense. I've bussed Firebringer before as an RVS vote when we were both scum.

Yuki was trolling and I found it quite a funny comment

He's leaving 5th post to hammer

He'll come back and say "wat hapined, im not readin"

Days shouldn't end with no lynch though. When will you people learn.

Me too. Bad excuse ika.
That being said he's posted more in the first hours of this day than he has in the last six games he's played combined. Keep it coming ika.

Lol why are you so defensive of ika?

I wouldn't consider my posts an attack on ika in any way. Now you - why so defensive of him?

It wasn't so much a complaint as a trolly impersonation of ika followed by an approval of the number of posts.

If ika has a problem with my jokey attitude towards him I invite him to say so and I'll back off and respect that. He has made no such comment however and I figure he's brushing it off as nothing since he's not said anything.

I find it weird how you feel the need to jump to ikas defense over this when he hasn't indicated that he has a problem with said posts that I've done time and time again, even pushing to policy lynch him before. Want his emotional support and vote?

You're right, its just a game. If you're insinuating that I'm harassing ika that is not my intention and like I said I invite ika to say so and I'll stop.

Waiting on your no lynch proposal, RLVG

I don't have a read yet on the guy yet but I agree that strongly townreading him this early is forced or silly or both.

While I will back off of ika because this is a silly argument, itay have implications to the game. I find it wildly inconsistent how you jumped to his defense but didn't jump to mine when I was openly harassed my first game. So there feels like an underlying motive there.

I'm leaning towards jester for you as Frog mentioned earlier. You seem to want to argue for the sake of arguing about anything.

I don't hate you. I'm sorry I bothered you. It won't happen again.

Obviously I exaggerated but I will back off since the effect was not what I intended. It was a low blow meant for cheap laughs. Again I'm sorry.

Are you just calling him scummy because he put you on his short list?

Lol so he's calling you scummy for RVSing him then?

Where's this "most people have town read me" dealio coming from? I heard if you say something over and over people will begin to believe it.

Last post by Iced is a 100% scum post.
Pile on.

Wtf. Vote counts are helpful when rereading and you see votes all over the place.

Do we have to have this conversation every time? Really?

No lynching ALWAYS benefits scum.

-vote Mikecall


Sorry Mike but I think Frog has a point.

Dear God you people posted a lot. All I read though was Mikecall squirming around a bunch, certain people scummingly going for the low hanging fruit in Yuki, another pointless argument about day 1 lynch/no lynch, and Yuki not understanding that I'm his Ma, not his Pa.

Mikecall should hang today. If he flips town or scum, either way we get a plethora of info that would help town more than scum. Also, he's a high chance of flipping scum.

Vote Mikecall, my son.

Atta boy.

Please do.

Let the record show that Iced was here and left.

For the first time ever, I completely forgot to submit a night action

I always submit actions as citizen too. "Sleep in bed", " Sit on chair"

I always find it scummy when people have to point our they're town like this, or town read themselves.

I don't think it matters at rhe moment. Yuki's trolling to not be a night target makes sense though.

I'm with TDL. Zekkys claim is bullshit.

I'll be voting him eventually before the day ends. He should be lynched.

Finally get to lynch him. Looking forward to it.

I don't see Zekky bussing suntax. I think Zekky is just latching his vote onto whoever else had a vote.

Plausible, but I don't see that as the case either. Seems more to be looking forward to day 3 honestly.

Zekky was actress. We have 1 more alive town and 1 dead mafia.

He killed Frog who was a cit, flipped cit for visiting Frog last

Zekky made a big boo boo. If he claimed POD was lying he would flip cit on reveal and Mafia wouldn't have had to kill POD. Hilarious.

I would like to say that Yuki is likely jester or scum playing jester but Yuki is smart and unreadable so I have no idea what to think of this.

I will say it. We have as SuperJack stated a chance to look at Zekkys posts and interactions given his flip, but you latch onto Yuki instead which is an easy lynch.

-vote Calix

I said I would like to say that's the case but I don't think it is

The play that Yuki is doing is a contribution. He's generating conversation, including the one we're having now.

Wall posts =/= contribution.

Yuki is being more helpful than a player that doesn't post.

I'm not saying what Yuki is doing is good, but that its not useless either.

You literally want to vote Yuki for shitposting, which is not scummy. As scum I look for the easy vote for town to mislynch or leave the easy vote alive

I haven't done enough for ika to townread me I don't think so I don't know why he's sheeping me. That makes me worried, but I'm more suspicious of Calix ATM

I'm not defending Yuki. I wouldn't play that way, but saying Yuki is being useless is misleading

I made fun of ikas posting style actually and apologized when I offended him as I didn't mean for it to be personal. Where did I defend ikas posting style?

No, shitposting over and over = trolling, not scummy. Zekky did it all last game I played with him and I pushed for a policy lynch of him.

I was scum, he was town. Is the situation here the same? Could be. This could be a TvT as well. All I know is your attitude towards Yuki makes me more suspicious of you than I could be of him.

Calix I'm not convinced you're scum, but suspicious of you.

Yuki brings up a good point - ika said at the end of camp mafia that his scum meta is to lurk

-vote ika

-unvote


Kk

-vote Syntax


Willing to see where this goes.

-vote Suntax

Yuki you don't want to vote Suntax? Might as well lynch him, there's enough evidence to do so and if we're wrong but he doesn't come back he's dead weight anyway

Calix, I said there's enough evidence to lynch Suntax already. The fact that he hasn't shown up in forever is just a bonus to lynching him.

The difference between him and Yuki is that there is no evidence to lynch Yuki - the reasoning is 100% policy with him

Remember POD (detective) and be ready to prove yourself.

1 mafia is already dead. 2 more to go. Take detective, then next night prove it by following someone, and help us apprehend the last mafia.

7 players, 1 mafia left if Yuki didn't take Mafia

Yuki what did you take?

Last scum is RLVG or ika. 99%.

-vote RLVG

Process of elimination. You or ika.

SuperJack is pretty much confirmed town after that ISO on Suntax. Calix is almost as much so for pushing on Suntax when Zekky was to be lynched. Iced is town. Yuki is amnesiac.

That leaves you and ika for laat Mafia scum.

Role name?

Perfect.

-vote ika


I'm a sheriff. n1 I forgot to take action, n2 I checked Iced (town), n3 checked TDL

We lynch ika, if game doesn't end I'll check Yuki or Calix, you save me

GG

Framer only flips results for that night. That means that Suntax would have to have targeted his teammate (Iced) that same night that I checked him, which seems unlikely.

RLVG, you need to heal me to prove you are doctor.

There are 7 players left, 1 doc 1 sheriff and 1 detective claim

Yuki follows me, and I'll visit Yuki, RLVG, Calix, or SuperJack tomorrow. Yuki proves whether I'm truthful or not. If Yuki dies we know he was amnesiac turned town, if RLVG dies we know he was doc and Yuki can confirm himself, if I die we know RLVG was lying

Still 5 players left meaning we're afforded one more mislynch if I am lying. If Yuki took detective, no way we lose this game with 2/3 detective sheriff doc.

I however do think ika is the last scum.

So we can assume that either

A) Mafia has a consort
Or
B) RLVG lied about being roleblocked

If A) is true, framer didn't frame Iced the night I checked him (after Zekky was lynched) because framer performed the night kill and consort blocked RLVG that night

If I die that confirms Iced, so mafia has to choose between him and RLVG. RLVG, heal me, Yuki follow me, and I'll check Yuki, RLVG, SJ, or Calix (not saying who), and Yuki tomorrow early claim who I visited

SuperJack claimed citizen

We are lynching ika.

And in counterclaimed doctor doesn't work because there's no evidence that he is/isn't doctor. So while I think RLVG is town, he's not a confirmed town.

If you're role blocked he can't kill. One or the other action.

Calix, while I believe RLVGs claim, there's nothing in the setup that states that a protective exists.

Night 1 I simply forgot an action. I've been busy with the end of the semester coming up and my activity in the game has been lower than what I usually put into these things.

I didn't mean to submit that message yet, my phone's been acting up. Let me finish my thought on my work computer.

Night 2 I checked Iced because I was suspicious of iced since the start of the game. After my check on him, I dropped all pressure towards him. You can verify by looking at my votes and posts after night 2.

Night 3 I was going to check you Calix, but I changed because I remembered you were voting on Suntax when Zekky was going to get lynched. That's why I said you're all but confirmed town for me - why would you start going after Suntax while Zekky was up for grabs if you were scum with them? That's a pretty risky move.

So I switched to TDL, who I didn't have a clear read on.

The reason I said to heal me instead of Yuki, is because there is still some spec whether Yuki might not be an amnesiac turned detective or not or something like an arsonist. If the scum goes to kill him and he's arsonist, that gets rid of that neutral. If he flips det, we know there's no neutral to deal with and that it's just 1 scum left, with 5 people left in the game.

What I'm trying to create with these night actions is a situation where scum loses no matter what.

Scum point of view:
Kill Yuki: flips arson or town, detective can't kill him, but there's a doc (if scum isn't RLVG) and a sheriff (if scum isn't me) left

Kill me: No night kill if RLVG is doc, if I die then RLVG is lying scum

Kill RLVG: Detective if Yuki is detective and sheriff left in game. Scum is in big trouble here

Kill anyone else: 3 TPRs if all of us are what we say we are left, 2 TPRs if Yuki, me, or RLVG is lying left

Scum is in a pickle here, I'm trying to force him out

If I find a scum tonight and survive (RLVG is doctor or I'm simply not attacked from WIFOM) - I reveal, we lynch that person, if I'm lying there's still 3 people left, I would be lynched = town victory

If I don't find a scum tonight, that clears that person for me at least, and you guys if you trust me, narrowing down the lynch pool. If we mislynch there's still 3 people left in LYLO, most likely resulting in a town victory, and Yuki can prove if he's detective to help find the last scum by proclaiming who I visited

If anyone has a better plan I'm open to hearing it, I'm just trying to confuse the last scum as to what they should do

Read again ika.

Yuki you are hilarious <3

We are lynching ika. How many times do I have to repeat that?

No lynching is one of the WORST things we could do in a 6v1 game. It'd be 5v1 and if we mislynch 3v1 which means we'd almost certainly forgoe a lynch there to make it 2v1

If we mislynch today we're still allotted 2 more lynches to peg scum

You should be voting ika, townie

Let's hear it Yuki. Who did I visit? Confirm.

You're saying you followed me and I visited you?

Yuki clarify: you're detective yes? You followed me yes? Who did I visit?

-vote Yukitaka Oni


I did not in fact visit Yuki. Thanks for the confession though.

I am not afraid of a jester.

Scenarios: Yuki is jester

Yuki is neutral scum

I am 100% okay with lynching him and taking Mafia on in LYLO

1 mafia left RLVG probably you lol

For sake of WIFOM, I wanted to check a target Yuki wouldn't think I would check. Which wasn't you. I check you and you die and Yuki sees that as detective, then I look like I killed you.

Yuki isn't detective though as he demonstrated. He's claiming I checked him when I didn't. Even if I did and Yuki was a detective playing a gambit and really town, and I visited him, how could I be mafia? Calix died, not Yuki.

There is no play here in which Yuki and I are both town. There is 3 town, 1 mafia and 1 Yuki. Question is if Yuki is neutral killing or jester or mafia pulling some type of play.

The fact that you're not voting Yuki right now is worrisome. Scared of being taken out by a jester?

Iced is confirmed town. Superjack is all bit confirmed to me for ISOing and getting Suntax lynched. That leaves the doctor claim who claimed roleblocled twice which was probably just an excuse for when nobody was healed all game.

What needs to happen:

We three vote Yuki. Me you and Superjack. Iced doesn't for being confirmed town.

Yuki: if you are jester this gives you a win. I ask you to take out RLVG since you get to pick. If you are arson, I'm sorry but you overplayed your WIFOM hand here.

The other option is if Yuki is jester to vote me or RLVG. If Superjack is Mafia well played I'm shocked. I'm that confident he's town.

Only problem there is that if Yuki is arson then Yuki wins.

If we lynch Yuki and he's arson:

If superjack or me is scum, and RLVG is truthful, then RLVG will most likely die. This creates an easy mislynch (If Superjack is scum) where I will mislynched. But he won't die because he is scum.

Either way iced is 100% cleared because a) if I'm sheriff I cleared him and b) if I'm lying I'm mafia and he's town.

Iced, don't vote. Let's get RLVG to vote Yuki.

Yuki, take out RLVG if you're jester. If you're jester this plan gives you a win.

If RLVG refuses to vote Yuki we switch to him and take our chances with the arson to avoid a no lynch that scum would live to have.

Superjack and Yuki, feel free to chime in

Um, Superjack, why the hell haven't you posted?

We need to lynch. It's LYLO pretty much with 1 neutral, 1 scum and 3 town.

SuperJack, are you scared of dying to the possible jester?

Then you have to lynch between the doctor claim (RLVG) and the sheriff claim (me). Iced is not an option.

So make a choice then. Either I'm consort and RLVG is doc, or there is no consort and RLVG is last maf. Nobody was roleblocked but RLVG, so the idea that a consort exists only exists because of him. I'm not voting you because there's no way in hell you're mafia after you got Suntax speedlynched right after Zekrom was lynched. That's hardcore bussing if you're mafia.

What. The. Royal. Fuck. 3 town left, 3 to lynch. You're joking right?

Whatever, if Yuki is arson well played Yuki
-vote RLVG
Make a choice Jack.

Okie doke. Take your time, but make the choice between me and RLVG.

Iced, vote RLVG and lets end this game by lynching scum

BTW Jack, you were at L-1 and neither me nor RLVG hammered you. I didn't because I know you're town. I'm pretty sure RLVG didn't because he needs the arson (Yuki) to die. That's the only reason he's going along with my plan.

Just waiting on you now Iced.

So you're voting me instead of sticking to your guns due to OMGUS? Nice.

Don't be thick. SJ is town and there's only 1 mafia left.

You're saying I'm not playing my role when I forgot to submit a night action 1 night. It happens. That's not "not playing your role", that's forgetting to submit a night action.

SuperJack:

Executioner Dead.
I'm good with this.
Going to read more.

-vote Zekrom2802

Guys. Zekrom is Innocent, I'm the Framer that visited Frog.

Iced_Monopoly and SunTax do not have Avatars. They are the rest of the Mafia.

Quote Originally Posted by Actress
You are an Actress! When you die, you will appear as the role of the last target you visited. Includes night kills.

I'm going to read back through Zeks posts, have a look at interactions.

Why did none of you spot this?

I highlighted names. I would like to pressure Suntax. I want to know why he buddied Zek so hard.

-vote Suntax

I spent most of that time reading day one + two ^^ And playing Lara Croft.

Now I wish to eat Pie.

I haven't got any leads yet to who the third is, he reacted with Suntax because Suntax was reacting to him. It seems like the Third person would of avoided contact.

I would like other players interrogated more. Starting with Ika. Ika tends to be a near-impossible person to determin his intentions. Ika tends to lurk scum because he always makes slips, Ika is no good at hiding information so he does this by not participating.

You are a difficult person Calix, I don't know your past but I do see that you are very experienced. This leaves me to believe that you can easily play scum roles. And for some reason people today have noticed something (Which is still quite lacking in evidence)

I have good feelings about Toadette. I do not think she is the scum.

Yuki Is very difficult. But the more Yuki posts the better.

Iced_Monopoly I saw had played quite a well game in PrimeMinister, yet I feel he is not meeting the same level of skill this game

Where as RLVG and TheDarkestLight I always find difficult to tell.

Me and you are going to get on well.

Because?

Ika you are seriously heavy for a lynch rather than spending the whole day we have left as use.

I didn't specify it in my post but that is what ment.

I don't want get in another discussion about ikas method of play since it may lead to personal attacks. If we want him to play and find out his alignment we need to pressure him. If he refuses to its because he is Scum, he's admitted he makes slips far to easily in the past and that is why he lurks because that's the only play he is capable of.

As town in primeminister he made attempts as town to play until he didn't read the rules.

-vote Ika

I feel special!

Ika is an active person. Always popping unless he "forgets" no doubt he will see it, but weather he tries is another story. He needs to be pressured to talk.

We are not no lynching. We are using the lovely amount of time we have left to use this to hunt for the last of the scum.

Some people actually like to play.
Cryptonic made this sig

I said Scum. Didn't specify you unless you are admitting to being scum. If there are any better options other than you then they go. But right now you are the one on the plank.

It helps if you picture ika as a one legged eagle trying to type.

It's not about you.
It's not about you baby
It's not about you
It's not about youuuuu

Discussion Not arguement.

And there is no role that is:

Quick citizen: you must end each day as early as possible.
-you may only post telling people to lynch asap.

The day isn't being used to its full extent. Mostly because we already have a target lined up which makes people unlinkey to discuss anything. That and Scum know not to get involved and town dare not pressure someone else in case we miss the lynch.

So I'm going to end it now. I want people to read back and try to find more scum
-vote Suntax

Citizen. I'll get to this tonight.
Not much time atm.

Nu uh Pal. Are you even reading?
Tell me how either of RVLG or Toadette are confirmed?
I pushed and lynched both Mafia members, the first being obviously outed by a detective the second would of got away with it if I HAD NOT focused on him.

Honestly, Its a push between RVLG and Toadette from my PoV. One of them is scum.

This is just complicated. Too many scenarios. I've got tonight and the majority of tomorrow here. So we have plenty of time to discuss.

Floods in my area mostly. Apparently it does rain a lot in England. I have a few nitpicks and would prefer to lynch someone who is mafia over someonen who seems neutral. Espesially if they are Jester and could kill a town tonight as a neutral killing this late seems unlikely.

Yes I know that. Ice is completely cleared barring extream unlikely circumstances.

Would put it at a 2v1v1. Town losing majority. Terrible suggestion.

Stop trying to rush this! :/ game dosnt any anytime soon

This summarises my thoughts exactly. From what I have read, RVLG is coming up the most scummy, I've seen Toadette play as town and she sounds like her town play. Yet RVLG always makes for convincing Scum.
Both power roles make sense from a point, yet you can argue that two investigation roles vs 1 invest and 1 protection. Apply is a veteran player and prefers more vanilla games to power games.

The fact that both players where ready to throw it to a jester [Yuki seems like Jester to me] annoys me, and neither player has bothered to try Scum hunt the last town.

Out of the two, I'm leaning to rglv. His play matches his Scum play and has made some annoying fruitless posts today.

Unless new posts convince me otherwise I shall be voting rlvg.

-vote RLGV

Also it seems I will only be able to be here mobile. I'm having issues with my internet.

Sigh...
-vote rlvg

[SuperJack]

I'm due to sleep but here are my quick thoughts:

Ice -cannot- be scum. Due to Toadettes (Now Seemingly fake claim) Claim that he was checked.
Yuki is most likely a Jester. But could also be an Amnesiac turned, quite honestly, anything.
Toadette, clearing Ice with a seemingly fake check, buddying with me and calling me obvious town and trying to work with yuki. Toadette will be the scum. Most likely depending on Yukis vote today.

I will be online more tomorrow after I have done all my house chores if this topic needs to be discussed further. But I see no other possibility. So I am voting Toadette

-vote Toadette

[Toadette]

I will have this much to say at least:

Framer makes more sense with sheriff than just a detective
Scum me wouldn't kill RLVG. Scum me would kill Superjack because I feel I could sway a vote at RLVG
SuperJack had a chance to hammer Yuki but didn't, probably fearing jester death
NEITHER me nor RLVG hammered SuperJack. As scum I would have hammered than and taken chances with Arson Yuki. I was blind to Superjack though and didn't think it through

[Iced_Monopoly]

This game at the moment...

Im reasonably convinced Yuki has taken a scum role last night or earlier, and that we potentially stand at 2-2. SJ could be the last scum too, but I cant look past the issues Toadette has had this game.

If it is a mislynch, im sorry.

-vote Toadette

[Toadette]

I'm due to sleep but here are my quick thoughts:

Ice -cannot- be scum. Due to Toadettes (Now Seemingly fake claim) Claim that he was checked.
Yuki is most likely a Jester. But could also be an Amnesiac turned, quite honestly, anything.
Toadette, clearing Ice with a seemingly fake check, buddying with me and calling me obvious town and trying to work with yuki. Toadette will be the scum. Most likely depending on Yukis vote today.

I will be online more tomorrow after I have done all my house chores if this topic needs to be discussed further. But I see no other possibility. So I am voting Toadette

-vote Toadette

Well played you have my MVP vote for tricking me. I'll not let that happen to me again

[Toadette]

This game at the moment...

Im reasonably convinced Yuki has taken a scum role last night or earlier, and that we potentially stand at 2-2. SJ could be the last scum too, but I cant look past the issues Toadette has had this game.

If it is a mislynch, im sorry.

-vote Toadette

I wouldn't call them issues, I just haven't been on top of my game.

I checked Calix cause I thought RLVG or you would die. Calix died. Unexpected.

Question Iced: why were you voting Superjack yesterday when I was blindly town reading him but today you switch to me? I could have hammered superjack but misplaced my logic and voted RLVG. Turns out we're both TPRs. Why is Superjack cleared for you now?

[SuperJack]

I will have this much to say at least:

Framer makes more sense with sheriff than just a detective Having roles that look powerful yet in reality are not are a great way to balence teams (Coroner in PM)
Scum me wouldn't kill RLVG. Scum me would kill Superjack because I feel I could sway a vote at RLVG You knew RVLG was a Doctor and didn't want to risk a no-hit
SuperJack had a chance to hammer Yuki but didn't, probably fearing jester death Mafia>Jester.=Town win. Jester would make it a 2kpn possibly ending the game for us
NEITHER me nor RLVG hammered SuperJack. As scum I would have hammered than and taken chances with Arson Yuki. I was blind to Superjack though and didn't think it through Yet this would still render the game down to your dependence upon Yuki.

All in all, it depends on Yuki and what he is.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Last scum is also consort most likely, and SJ swapped out teld for inactivity. Yet RLVG claimed roleblocked n1 and n2, so its unlikely teld was the consort.

If he was replaced for post count failure, but still actively blocking, the mafia wouldve warned him in night chat. He also got replaced late so I feel ckmfortable he was a cit. Yuki is almost confirmed neut, so that just leaves toadette as consort. If yuki doesnt end this, then hes turned scum and its gg

[Toadette]

Last scum is also consort most likely, and SJ swapped out teld for inactivity. Yet RLVG claimed roleblocked n1 and n2, so its unlikely teld was the consort.

If he was replaced for post count failure, but still actively blocking, the mafia wouldve warned him in night chat. He also got replaced late so I feel ckmfortable he was a cit. Yuki is almost confirmed neut, so that just leaves toadette as consort. If yuki doesnt end this, then hes turned scum and its gg

Mafia can send each other to do actions, so that doesn't add up. Yuki however can't be Mafia or the game would be over. Most likely jester.

[Toadette]

Iced at least explain to me why you were voting Superjack yesterday but now you're not. What changed?

[SuperJack]

Last scum is also consort most likely, and SJ swapped out teld for inactivity. Yet RLVG claimed roleblocked n1 and n2, so its unlikely teld was the consort.

If he was replaced for post count failure, but still actively blocking, the mafia wouldve warned him in night chat. He also got replaced late so I feel ckmfortable he was a cit. Yuki is almost confirmed neut, so that just leaves toadette as consort. If yuki doesnt end this, then hes turned scum and its gg

In Prime Minister, I let the mafia choose the other mafia members action if they wished. I think I also did the same in the last M-FM for someone afk when I was scum, But Still a Teld-Zekky-Suntax seems like a weak scum team.



I would also like to note, That Toadette claiming she didn't Hammer was a town move from her, but I just looked at the time stamps and the time where I was at l1, would suggest she was not there. So it just looks like a desperate grab at straws.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Maybe so, but im happy with where my vote stands. This game has drawn to a pretty fun end, and im okay with whatever the outcome is on your lynch.

[Toadette]

Iced also think about Superjacks behavior. He doesn't question me passing him off as a town read... Until now? I pushed the ika lynch, I also pushed the RLVG/Yuki lynched. Town mislynch town all the time - Superjack has been very quiet coasting by under the radar since bussing Syntax. Its a brilliant play really.

[Toadette]

Alright well before the post game shit goes down:

Again sorry for forgetting an action night 1but nobody's perfect. I didn't give this game the priority it deserved and its unfortunate but it is what it is.

[SuperJack]

Iced also think about Superjacks behavior. He doesn't question me passing him off as a town read... Until now? I pushed the ika lynch, I also pushed the RLVG/Yuki lynched. Town mislynch town all the time - Superjack has been very quiet coasting by under the radar since bussing Syntax. Its a brilliant play really.

I did what I did to find scum. I thought I knew you better and could tell your scum from your town play, yet I was wrong. The Ika lynch was rushed and on wet-ground. Claiming I would not mis-lynch yet I was ready to vote on RVLG. Claiming you wanted to lynch either RVLG or Yuki does not at all mean your town.

You played good Toadette, you "cleared" iced and showed me your town badge. If Iced had not no-lynched it would be a 1v1v1. Your ideal situation.

But, as it stands, its in the hands of the neutral.

[Iced_Monopoly]

What were your sheriff findings from last night?

[SuperJack]

Anyways. Seriously sleep. Im up for discussion later. Yet I see no other alternative.

[Iced_Monopoly]

I can't believe he suggested a no lynch.

Well, I played bad this game guys, I'm sorry. The only way to lynch Superjack is to get Iced and Yuki on board, but I have no way of proving I'm sheriff given I gave no leads whatsoever.

Sorry for the suboptimal play :-\ Just wasn't my game. Don't blame you if you mislynch me iced.

-vote SuperJack

Not sure how you have no leads, you wouldve known mafia was going to target the doc claim last night to avoid a no kill (as SJ mentioned) which left you with 3 invest targets, SJ, myself, or yuki. Ive already been checked by you, yuki is all but confirmed neut, which leaves SJ as the best role to check last night.

Had you started this day atleast attempting to call SJ scum based on a sherrif detection, I mightve atleast been inclined to move my vote from you, but its reasonably safe to assume now that youre the last scum

[Iced_Monopoly]

Im also trying to post so that we can get a new page so I dont have to scroll past the iso's constantly on a phone

[Toadette]

Not sure how you have no leads, you wouldve known mafia was going to target the doc claim last night to avoid a no kill (as SJ mentioned) which left you with 3 invest targets, SJ, myself, or yuki. Ive already been checked by you, yuki is all but confirmed neut, which leaves SJ as the best role to check last night.

Had you started this day atleast attempting to call SJ scum based on a sherrif detection, I mightve atleast been inclined to move my vote from you, but its reasonably safe to assume now that youre the last scum

I thought RLVG was scum so I checked him. If I would have said I checked Superjack that would have been a lie and I don't believe that would have made you vote him. You don't have to justify your vote that way.

Everyone I checked this game came back town iced, including you. Remember how I was scum reading you day 1 and 2? Go back and reread. I stopped scum reading you day 3 completely. Didn't even mention you, cause I got a inno on you. The moves I have made have made sense from my standpoint.

[Toadette]

Hi all. Sorry to say I won't be able to be quite as active this game as I usually am, but I will give an effort.

Case on Yuki is misguided, but POD giving off town vibes.

My good friend Iced Monopoly feels scummy for giving an RVS mini train steam by being its third vote. High chance of scum there.

-vote Iced_Monopoly

This is my first post of the game, iced. I'll find more hold up

[Toadette]

Let the record show that Iced was here and left.

I'm calling you out for disappearing when we needed you to.vote Mikecall, which I saw as scummy behavior

[Toadette]

For the first time ever, I completely forgot to submit a night action

This is my first post day 2

[Toadette]

1. SuperJack
Nothing posted by Teld, and still awaiting any contributions from SJ. If replaced this early, its possible that Teld was mafia, or a TPR, unlikely to be a citizen. I would imagine atleast he wouldve been replaced closer to day end after having 24hrs to respond to a pm or something from host if he didnt hold an influential role.
11. Toadette
Spends some considerable time defending yuki, this may purely be an attempt to explain yuki's meta, but she continues this defence for too long. Her post count is also reasonably low, although this is announced early on in the game. Claims to have forgotten to submit a role, whether this is true or not, its an interesting statement to make... All her actions thus far seem somewhat out of character (from my own limited interactions) and as a result I may consider her a neutral, although that is based on meta and currently little evidence to support it.

2 things here iced:

Your early theory of Superjack replacing was because he was a TPR or scum, not a citizen. Why do you think the opposite is true now? I know you're town so this isn't an accusation. Why are you no longer viewing it this way?

2nd, your view on me. What game have you played with me? Was it Fableblood? I was scum that game.
I was informed. I knew who scum was (Fire) and had a lot more confidence. I was aiming to be lynched to bus him. Have you seen ANY bussing this game from me with zekky or suntax?. I've tried leading lynches here and have been wrong - do you still view me as non scum from a meta point of view?

[Toadette]

Okay I just finished day 2 and I didn't verbally state that I still found you scummy. Guess I dropped the ball there.

That is why I checked you though. Onto day 3.

Yuki, vote SuperJack please.

[Toadette]

Day 3 if you recall Iced, Calix was going at you saying that you were scum read by the town day 1 and 2. Scum me would have latched on to that and sided with Calix since I scum read you day 1 - instead I was suspicious of Calix since I knew you were town at thsg point and had to adjust my thinking. If you can go back and reread thsg interaction you'll see where my motivation lies understanding that I checked you night 2.

Iced, think about the motivations! Why would I hard clear you and be adamant about townreading SuperJack to set up a MYLO situation not in my favor? So that I have to backtrack my town read on Superjack? Please think about the motivation. When I was scum in TDL's game I kept Firebringer around when he was a bodyguard claim because I wanted and thought I could get him mislynched. You were probably going to hammer RLVG if we had time right? Scum me would not had attacked RLVG in that situation as scum me would have looked for the mislynch. Even if he healed someone I could swing it that mafia didn't attack.

RLVG being killed sets up a perfect mislynch opportunity to lynch me. That's what Superjack has done here. Think about the reason RLVG died!

[Iced_Monopoly]

I still dont understand your reasoning on checking rlvg last night when he was an obvious mafia target and their best chance for winning, you essentially threw your night action away.

I changed my view on super because we obviously have a consort as the last remaining scum, and I dont believe that appley wouldve let teld afk for as long as he did without being replaced.

SJ was also reasonably vocal in the lynching of the previous scum, where as you were rather quiet and dissapeared frequently. You also made some light defenses from memory. I will check timestamps when I get the chance.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Youll also recall that calix had misread, and I had cleared things up with her myself, attacking me at the point or siding with her wouldve been pointless, it was all baseless misinformed information. Nobody would jump on that train so early as scum

[Toadette]

Points for if Toadette is scum:
Wanted to vote Yuki yesterday first. If I'm scum this is because I suspect Yuki is arson.

Counter (town points):
If I was scum why not kill Yuki? If I truly think he's arson, killing Yuki and pushing RLVG mislynch is my best chance.

Superjack:
If scum, didn't vote Yuki because he thinks Yuki is jester
Doesn't kill yuki because he thinks Yuki is jester, plus it makes me look bad for pushing RLVG when RLVG was doctor, setting up an easy mislynch.

An "easy" vote is not always the right one. Ika was an easy vote and it was the wrong one. I'm the easy vote but not the right vote.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Rlvg was the obvious target, there was no motive about it. Hit rlvg and be in a situation capable of manipulating, or hit someone else, potentially fail, and risk being lynched/hammered

[Toadette]

I still dont understand your reasoning on checking rlvg last night when he was an obvious mafia target and their best chance for winning, you essentially threw your night action away.

I changed my view on super because we obviously have a consort as the last remaining scum, and I dont believe that appley wouldve let teld afk for as long as he did without being replaced.

SJ was also reasonably vocal in the lynching of the previous scum, where as you were rather quiet and dissapeared frequently. You also made some light defenses from memory. I will check timestamps when I get the chance.

How did I throw my night action away? It was Superjack or RLVG. If I check one and he's town, the other is scum and vice versa. Had RLVG lived I would reveal he's town (yuki or you dying) and immediately push on Superjack. You're not looking at the why, but just the skewed result

[Toadette]

Rlvg was the obvious target, there was no motive about it. Hit rlvg and be in a situation capable of manipulating, or hit someone else, potentially fail, and risk being lynched/hammered

In what world is RLVG my obvious target? Why would I put myself in this very situation? If I was scum I would hit Yuki believing he's arson.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Also I recommend the music. I think it's quite fitting for the situation.

The judge music v)o.o)> it's from the same game v)o.o)>!