S-FM 165: Pick Your Poison

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

Oh yea this is still going on.

Let me review the case on me

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

...I cant post

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

oh look now i can wtf

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

So the case is my filler posts and sheep votes?

There was not enough activity to really discuss day one and we had not enough activity to jump trains.

I will lead and contribute when it is acknowledged that we can get more than 6 pages in within TWO INGAME DAYS.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

Okay, I'm back too. Maybe we can have a conversation.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

Its super hard to scumhunt with only 6 pages, no one wanted to shitpost and throw votes around

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

How can we possibly decide who is being the scummy shit.

Toad, by incriminating me you are going to make me live longer.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

This is worse a train than that of Chariston.

I will bet that one of Walter White/Freddy Kruger is scum. Take that as OMGUS as you want.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

How can we possibly decide who is being the scummy shit.

Toad, by incriminating me you are going to make me live longer.

I have a few things to do then I will come back and consult you.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

I share that suspicion. Freddy Kruger is on my list of scum hits.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

Toads used to be, but now he isn't.

My strongest scum read is now actually Freddy Krueger when I read through it again.

-vote S-FM Freddy Krueger

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I see you both quickly playing your cards to escape from being mod killed. You complain that you are acccused of sheep low contented post yet you both continue this patten.

Rather than push a train into you two I'm going to ask you both questions which I wish you both to answer in detail. We have a hole extra day to decide your fate.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

So the case is my filler posts and sheep votes?

There was not enough activity to really discuss day one and we had not enough activity to jump trains.

I will lead and contribute when it is acknowledged that we can get more than 6 pages in within TWO INGAME DAYS.

This reasoning is terrible. "There is a lack of activity, so I shall respond to this by indulging in a lack of activity". This seems like a lazy attempt to get out of saying anything. Now you're getting my lynch. I'm a stubborn player, and rarely withdraw my vote on a person once I've put it on that person (com hunt all you want). Hence, I save the vote for when I really feel like I'm onto something.

-vote S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD

You want someone to talk about? They're right here. Now contribute.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

So the case is my filler posts and sheep votes?

There was not enough activity to really discuss day one and we had not enough activity to jump trains.

I will lead and contribute when it is acknowledged that we can get more than 6 pages in within TWO INGAME DAYS.

You blame the number of posts to be inadequate to review. Yet it is the content which you should be reviewing. It's there, yet you either ignore it you are blind.

You blame inactivity for the reason not to contribute and be active. Yet that is just a constant destructive cycle and opinion to have.

Go ahead, lead and contribute. But don't do it at the end of the day. I want to see other peoples opinions.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

Well I'm suspicious of most people. I wouldn't put you highest on the list and your reasonable response makes me feel better.

What do you think of shattered glass?

He's the exact same kind of player as Bring Back Mist. So no wonder they're gravitating towards eachother.

Anyway, we have a space open for more policy lynches. We need to beat this town into reaching a point where it asks questions (and those questions are responded to). So I'm comfortable with lynching one of them, even if they do flip cit.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

This is worse a train than that of Chariston.

I will bet that one of Walter White/Freddy Kruger is scum. Take that as OMGUS as you want.

Thay train is a prime example of why inactivety, lurking and being useless is anti-town. The person to blame for the lynch is Chariaton. Unless there is something thats been missed.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

You blame the number of posts to be inadequate to review. Yet it is the content which you should be reviewing. It's there, yet you either ignore it you are blind.

You blame inactivity for the reason not to contribute and be active. Yet that is just a constant destructive cycle and opinion to have.

Go ahead, lead and contribute. But don't do it at the end of the day. I want to see other peoples opinions.

I need to question you and pull you down a notch.

Which players do you view positively?

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

He's the exact same kind of player as Bring Back Mist. So no wonder they're gravitating towards eachother.

Anyway, we have a space open for more policy lynches. We need to beat this town into reaching a point where it asks questions (and those questions are responded to). So I'm comfortable with lynching one of them, even if they do flip cit.

We can only assume we can afford one more policy lynch. We do not know the other TPR, and cannot assume their choices as they took a gamble on Deputy.

I would much prefer a lynch of scum. But using the policy lynch to determin the lesser players aura is good for me.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

We can only assume we can afford one more policy lynch. We do not know the other TPR, and cannot assume their choices as they took a gamble on Deputy.

I would much prefer a lynch of scum. But using the policy lynch to determine the lesser players aura is good for me.

Naturally, the scummiest of the low-contributors would be lynched, so it is something of a simultaneous scum-hunt and policy lynch.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I need to question you and pull you down a notch.

Which players do you view positively?

I will answer this question once shattered glass and mist post some real contribution. I do not wish my views to effect their thoughts.

I do not want a 're-enactment of town players ripping into each other whilst the Scum lurked.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

Toads used to be, but now he isn't.

My strongest scum read is now actually Freddy Krueger when I read through it again.

-vote S-FM Freddy Krueger

If you have valid tells you have spotted someone is Scum. Do not merely post you have seen it. Bring this information forward, show us these posts and convince us too why they are scum

Pointing at someone and saying they are Scum has no impact on players. Just shows your incompetence or unwillingness to make a real claim.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

I will answer this question once shattered glass and mist post some real contribution. I do not wish my views to effect their thoughts.

I do not want a 're-enactment of town players ripping into each other whilst the Scum lurked.

The question can be postponed, but if you don't answer it today, you have the future town to answer to.

Fine then. Surely you can talk about the deputy flip, in that case. How do you think the mafias decided to go for the more risky strategy? What kind of conversation dynamics can you imagine that lead to deputy (and another TPR) being chosen? They must have collaborated and came to a mutual agreement (unless they're the world's most dysfunctional team) so do you think they both were immediately happy to have a deputy, or do you think it was more complex?

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

The question can be postponed, but if you don't answer it today, you have the future town to answer to.

Fine then. Surely you can talk about the deputy flip, in that case. How do you think the mafias decided to go for the more risky strategy? What kind of conversation dynamics can you imagine that lead to deputy (and another TPR) being chosen? They must have collaborated and came to a mutual agreement (unless they're the world's most dysfunctional team) so do you think they both were immediately happy to have a deputy, or do you think it was more complex?

Depends on how verbal they both are. I can easily see it being just a sole person taking charge and the other merely tagging along with it. I doubt they discussed it as they would of gone with more logical choices [Jailor and Escort].
A deputy can suggest that they doubt their ability to avoid being suspected and push mis-lynchs, and wished for the Deputy to cause a mislynch.
Or it can suggest they are a gambler. And hoped that tpr would throw In a good card.

[S-FM Toads]

V
Glass and mist... Wtf

Watch them not show up again until the end

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

I apologize for my lack of contribution once again. Got distracted and caught up in other things.

I'm back now.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

I have nothing much to add other than Yugi is strong town.

I'm sorry.

Vote: Toads

Freddy starts by feigning new player. His actions show that he is definitely not a new player.

Agreed fully. I had wanted to point out how Chariston only came in to excuse his lack of presence "Sorry, had trouble getting into my account" but did not comment on anything pertinent.

My vote stays.

Freddy finds an excuse to lynch someone he knows is town and he has an excuse to lynch. Scum WILL do this.

We have 9 hours left, and that is quite a short time.

Anxious to get a lynch.

I'm here. Very sorry that Charston flipped Deputy, but it can't be helped. Deadlines are too fast.


A good point was made about mist being scummy.

This is exactly what scum do. Apologize for leading the mislynch.

Scum are incredibly self-conscious and will apologize for every little thing while trying to detask it to some other issue,(sort of like me with inactivity) and then hope that it dies without it being noticed.

Normally I wouldn't pressure someone for a mislynch but this apology in itself strikes me as suspicious.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

-vote S-FM Freddy Krueger

I dont want this to seem like an OMGUS but he really does seem scummy to me.

When I flip town you will want to come after him next.

[S-FM Toads]

I don't see it. Freddy seems genuinely new to me and unsure of himself, hence the apologies.

Seems interesting that that's the low hanging fruit you're going for of all the low hanging fruit this game. Maybe because you can't target shattered glass when you two have played so similarly up to this point?

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

It feels quite clearly that the players Walter White, Yugi, and Frank are town. They seem to be putting depth of thought into the game, even with the what few posts we can muster at this moment. Toads seems towny as well, but not as sure-fire as my top 3.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

The obvious black sheep in the game are currently Mist and Shattered Glass. Both of them don't seem to make sense, although Mist made some attempts to make a (admittedly poor) case on me. However, he fails to adequately address Walter White's points against him.

With this said, I am leaning towards lynching Glass instead of Mist now, because Mist seems to have made some efforts that can be remotely construed as town. However, his filler posts are a sore thumb. Given the short deadlines, it appears that we can afford to policy lynch less and need more accuracy in lynching scum instead.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

In the interests of winning the game,

-vote S-FM Shattered Glass

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

Okay, I'm on.

I implore you, Freddy, to reconsider your reads. Although I may not be helping town *that* much, I am not being sufficiently anti-town to warrant a lynch.
I find it incredibly unfortunate that I'm also never on when anyone else is.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

I'm willing to lynch MIST or Freddy.
Those are my two scum leans.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

If you want my list from Scum to town
Towny
S-FM Frank Underwood
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Toads
S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Freddy Krueger
Scummy

Thats the order in which I could understand lynching people.
If you require my roleflip, then you may use it.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

If you wish to actually perform a lynch today. I suggest lynching MIST. However if this happens, I understand that my sort of behavior cannot continue.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

If you wish to actually perform a lynch today. I suggest lynching MIST. However if this happens, I understand that my sort of behavior cannot continue.

and that sounded sooo scummy to even me.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

Tests

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

What content have you provided for me to reconsider my read?

Could you explain why you arrived at your two scum leans? It seems almost as if you pulled those names out of a hat. Your readslist seems to lack explanation, how do we know that you didn't copy mine, since, well, I wrote mine first? How have you value-added to the game?

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

The next question is, if you think that I'm scum, why are you asking me to reconsider my reads? If I'm "scum", then my reads are fake. I don't believe for one second that you think that I'm scum, unless for some reason you find it important for "scum" to reconsider their reads anyway.

[S-FM Walter White]

In the interests of winning the game,

-vote S-FM Shattered Glass

Winning as scum? Because that's a bad vote.

[S-FM Walter White]

and that sounded sooo scummy to even me.

Why?
Do utn thtou havebentitown to tis poit?

[S-FM Walter White]

Why?
Do utn thtou havebentitown to tis poit?

Wow, keyboard error.
Do you think that you have been anti town to this point?

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

Okay, I'm on.

I implore you, Freddy, to reconsider your reads. Although I may not be helping town *that* much, I am not being sufficiently anti-town to warrant a lynch.
I find it incredibly unfortunate that I'm also never on when anyone else is.

Atleast Freddy has some reads. Where as you just point and shout.

I'm willing to lynch MIST or Freddy.
Those are my two scum leans.

Because?

If you want my list from Scum to town
Towny
S-FM Frank Underwood
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Toads
S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Freddy Krueger
Scummy

Thats the order in which I could understand lynching people.
If you require my roleflip, then you may use it.

Because?

If you wish to actually perform a lynch today. I suggest lynching MIST. However if this happens, I understand that my sort of behavior cannot continue.

So you apparently are willing to contribute after we lynch someone else?

Yes. It does sound scummy.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

Walter White

Spoiler : Walter White :

-vote S-FM Toads

Walter White does not take kindly to Toads.

Fluff day 1 troll vote.

Any reason you wanted to share your role so easily?

Questioning Rick claiming Citizen

So basically you would make Deputy a worthless role with your picks? Although I guess scum probably wouldn't give that role out so easily.
I quite like the Witch and Janitor combination.

Questioning the Deputys reasoning

-vote S-FM Chariston Blandpole

Tell us what you know!

Pushing on Charistons trying to make him play.

That was all for Day One. Quite small and bland, but quite Townish.

Scum were given a cleaner? Fantastic...
So, where do we stand today.
Yami Yugi I like as town, hammer was sensible and not rushed.

No surprise that Rick Grimes was killed. Scum want to lurk and have an inactive town.

So today lets look at this.

-vote S-FM Frank Underwood

Comments on the lynch and existence of Janitor. Then Places his vote. (Next post explains why)

This is everything that was posted by them.
Most of it fishing to see who the town PR is. What benefit does this give to say what roles you would give?

This is something I have to agree with, when I came into the game I was already shocked that is was happing. Especially when there was more focus on what the TPR would pick and not the Mafia.

So since he wasn't on the wagon, chances highly that he was?
Nah, I can see both keeping off the wagon since it was a policy lynch more or less from no content.

Shattered Glass? I'll take a look now. Not my first thought of suspect though.

I understand this thought, Scum would not want to push on a deputy, so if they did vote on him they did not expect the flip.
Same goes that if they didn't want the deputy dead. They wouldn't want him dead, as he did leave small breadcrums hinting his role. Then he goes to a lurker

So this is their first post?
Very weak entrance. Already advised that they have no interest in helping town.

I do like the stance on the role confirm though.

I'm thinking that mafia would go for a bulletproof and a Jailor, or escort as town PR's.
Allows escorts to be confused if the mafia choose *not* to kill.

So no sign of either, but did have a deputy. I both like and dislike this post. I like it because it shows he's wrong. I dislike it because it's such an easy way to gain town cred as scum.


Yeah I'm in favour as town at this point.
I'm not disliking his comments on these regardless if they are needed or not.


Back to worthless comment. Shame, I would have prefered no comment here.

Okay, so not a fan of him being overly scummy day 1. But by far is not welcomed into the town section.

Over all opinion on Shattereds opinion so far. And I have to agree, even though he is not overall scummy is not over all town. Which would make him an easy target to lynch

Not much to offer here.

Again, this is one of those "give me town credit" kind of comments. I really don't like them.

Yup, when town flips Deputy he can go, "I didn't think they would pick that, I'm town"

NGR

Not really against the vote, it was a wasted spot.

The rest is just spam trying to correct the vote.

I quite like this one as my second favorite scum.

More good reasonings to see this player as scum.

But scum didn't choose to kill the Deputy, it was due to them being inactive.
Okay, then talk to me, what's your view on other players? Do you have any reads or thoughts on the game?

This is quite a bad post. He apparently knows how active the scum is and their reason for picking deputy. Yet then chages things and asks a different question.

I doubt it lol.
What do you mean you received no feedback?

So, talk to me about Toads...
I'm not seeing that spot as much as scummy. But I'm sure if you explain why we can discuss.

Questioning a reason on the no-feedback claim. Yet then changing the topic away to toads.

-vote S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD

That's L2. A no lynch tells us nothing and I don't see this slot as town.
Lets see if this post actually gets through!

Pressure vote

Thanks FireBringer.
If you guys manage to lurk enough and not lynch I am going to be so pissed off.

WHAT DOES NOT TALKING GET US?

Angery at the lack of contribution

Winning as scum? Because that's a bad vote.

Points out that because someone wants to win, does not make them town.

Why?
Do utn thtou havebentitown to tis poit?

Cancer

Wow, keyboard error.
Do you think that you have been anti town to this point?

Logical Question

Overall. He started out quite strong, Yet he has made a couple of completely dreadful posts. I can consider him town though and put some of them comments down to mistakes as his townyness outways his scummyness.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I believe that out of S-FM Shattered Glass or S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD. That one of them will be scum. I wouldn't mind a lynch on one of these two if we have no better choices, which I'm struggling to see. Yet I will continue to read into other players. Both players have claimed that they will contribute more, yet this is hardly done at all. So policy lynching on of them may indeed push the other one to really contribute.

[S-FM Walter White]

Yami Yugi - You read my comment incorrectly concerning the deputy. When I say "they were inactive" I mean the deputy, not scum.
I'm surprised that you read it like that though.

I probably won't be making many posts for a few hours - At work and typing is lagging here (confused), hence the mess up post.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

This is taking longer than I thought. Should we risk a no lynch, or push a policy lynch. Both can have negative impacts.
I have other people I want to push (Frank and Toad), but with less than an hour left I doubt there will be enough people around. And I know the people I want to push on will fight back, rarther than these lurkers who will just role over and die, So I will be doing that tomorrow but if not.

My last will, will be detailed and full of accusations. So make sure you pay attention to it.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

Yami Yugi - You read my comment incorrectly concerning the deputy. When I say "they were inactive" I mean the deputy, not scum.
I'm surprised that you read it like that though.

I probably won't be making many posts for a few hours - At work and typing is lagging here (confused), hence the mess up post.

Sorry about that. I will reconsider this. When Multi-Quoting it leaves out quotes so I made the wrong assumption to who you claimed to be inactive and I was trying place my contribution too quick.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

Winning as scum? Because that's a bad vote.

Will you justify your accusation?

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

I believe that out of S-FM Shattered Glass or S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD. That one of them will be scum. I wouldn't mind a lynch on one of these two if we have no better choices, which I'm struggling to see. Yet I will continue to read into other players. Both players have claimed that they will contribute more, yet this is hardly done at all. So policy lynching on of them may indeed push the other one to really contribute.

I appreciate the answer to the last question I asked (concerning the dynamic behind the mafia choosing a deputy). Thanks.

Why do you believe that out of the two one is evil? That feels a bit random.