S-FM Christianity

[Hypersniper]

Roles

Lucifer
Damien
Devil



Pope
Archbishop
Bishop
Preacher
Baptist
Priest
Priest
Priest



]Jehovah's Witness


Religious Correspondent

Mechanics and Rules:
Days are 24 hours and Nights are Finished effect once all actions are in.
No outside coms
no editing posts
No night chat
I will monitor votes, not counter, once all votes in. if i am not present then a player will post the end vote count, any posts after this are forbidden and will result in a modkill

Role Cards

Lucifer
Can give up his night action for a kill
Has One time Auto Vest
Can Summon Demon-recruiting a player to the worshiper
Transmutation-once in the game convert a worshiper into a demon
Knows who devil is

Damien
Can Recruit worshipers instead of lucifer
Can only do this once
Knows who Lucifer is

Devil
Has a One Time Enforce, in which he can kill bypassing all heals and vest
Knows who worshipers are, but not Lucifer

Demon
Can enact the night kill
Knows who Lucifer is
Has the Trap abilty, one use, it places a trap on any player including himself, if that player is killed then the player who killed him is killed aswell, plus if the player is voted then a random voter will die

Worshiper
Just a citizen following the great, all powerful satan

Pope
Has One Time auto Vest
if recruited the pope is revealed with a extra day of night and vote immunity
Popes Blessing-2 uses, gives vote immunity for the next day to a player he chooses
Pope World Tour-enacts to the world he is the Pope-raising his vote capacity by 2 along with vote and night kill immunity for the next night and day


Archbishop
has one use vest
if recruited turns into a priest
Holy Baptism-3 uses role blocks player and kills if the player is a satanic figure
Appoint-1 use, appoint a new bishop no matter who they are, if a satanic figure it acts as a bishop still satanic

Bishop
Holy Water-2 uses, kills satanic figures or if non satanic then stops player from speaking next day
Cross Defense-1 use, any one visiting bishop is murdered by the poker of the cross

Preacher
Gods Eyes-search a house, revealing their alignment

Baptist
Can heal a player at night
healing stops recruitment
Knows if heal was successful
Does not know if player was attacked at night

Priest
can vote to the holy god above


Jehovah witness
Preach-Teach the holy power of Jehovah and roleblock a playerof their choice
Vison-one use,reveal the alligment of a random player to the town


Religious correspondent
Can ask a player at night to publish a report
if the player if satanic the correspondent finds out BUT cannot reveal during the day
If the player is the witness the correspondent turns into Jehovah witness
if the player is Lucifer he must kill next night or die, but he is not allowed to reveal who Lucifer is
can not have a last will


Win Conditions
Satanic Figures-kill of the Religous geezers
Religious Geezers-Purge the world of the Satanic Figures
Jehovah Witness-Survive till the end OR be dead if the pope,devil and Lucifer are dead
Correspondent-survive till the end

OoO
Auto vest on
Cross Defense
Roleblock/preach
Doctor protect
Lucifer Converts/transmutation
Appointment
Enforcement
Holy Water used
Vision
Gods Eyes
Vote Immunitys

[Orpz]

This setup looks promising to review once you have finished your first construction of it.

My main concern after a quick skim is that you want one of your players to take on one of your responsibilities.

I will monitor votes, not counter, once all votes in if i am not present then a player(who i will randomly choose at start of game) will post the end vote count, any posts after this are forbidden and will result in a modkill

I hope you can see the problem here. You cannot just force a player to do your job.

I will permit this only if this mechanic is somehow relevant to your game's theme or you change it so that the player in charge had to have requested the job. Otherwise, you have to either ensure your presence or use the vote counter.

[Hypersniper]

This setup looks promising to review once you have finished your first construction of it.

My main concern after a quick skim is that you want one of your players to take on one of your responsibilities.


I hope you can see the problem here. You cannot just force a player to do your job.

I will permit this only if this mechanic is somehow relevant to your game's theme or you change it so that the player in charge had to have requested the job. Otherwise, you have to either ensure your presence or use the vote counter.

finshed

and i will request all players to ask me if they want to hold vote while im gone,

[BananaCucho]

Add Mormon/Cult. Pretty realistic.

[Hypersniper]

Add Mormon/Cult. Pretty realistic.

ima make a m-fm with lots of religions after this gets played

[Cryptonic]

Does Jesus rise 3 days after being lynched

[SuperJack]

Can I cheat to win, but apologize at the end so all is forgiven?

[Hypersniper]

Can I host this ir wat?

[Orpz]

Not at the moment. I will review it to prepare it for approval but you will need to hang tight as there are games already in the queue.


Are suicides allowed?

At the moment, Jehovah Witness can win even if he dies before the Pope, Lucifer, and Devil. Is this intended?

Can roles with multiple abilities use both in one night?


There's 3 Roleblocks and 1 Heal, all in the Town faction in a 9 player game. Town is overpowered.

There's 2 Roleblocks in the neutral role AND the ability to Consig 2 players. Jehovah's Witness is grossly overpowered.

[Stealthbomber16]

Can Pope self-target his Popes Blessing?

[Hypersniper]

Not at the moment. I will review it to prepare it for approval but you will need to hang tight as there are games already in the queue.


Are suicides allowed?
NO

At the moment, Jehovah Witness can win even if he dies before the Pope, Lucifer, and Devil. Is this intended?
YES

Can roles with multiple abilities use both in one night?
NO


There's 3 Roleblocks and 1 Heal, all in the Town faction in a 9 player game. Town is overpowered.
i have removed a roleblock
There's 2 Roleblocks in the neutral role AND the ability to Consig 2 players. Jehovah's Witness is grossly overpowered.

removed the consig and replaced it

[Stealthbomber16]

Transmutation-once in the game convert a worshiper into a demon

There is no Demon rolecard

one preist has the power of holy blessing which allows them to heal a player each night, including themselves if wanted

Is this the same priest each night?
If yes, is the priest revealed to be the healer on death?
Are targets notified if they're attacked and healed?
Is the priest notified if his target is attacked and healed?

OoO
Auto vest on
Cross Defense

Does this mean cross defense hits and triggers vests?
If yes, is the Bishop still killed if the vest is hit?

Popes Blessing-2 uses, gives vote immunity for the next day to a player he chooses

Can the pope self target this ability?

Preach-Teach the holy power of Jehovah and roleblock a playerof their choice

How does this ensure the Jehova's Witness's victory?

Lucifer
Has One time Auto Vest
Can Summon Demon-recruiting a player to the worshiper
Transmutation-once in the game convert a worshiper into a demon
Knows who devil is

Devil
Has a One Time Enforce, in which he can kill bypassing all heals and vest
Knows who worshipers are, but not Lucifer

Worshiper
Just a citizen following the great, all powerful satan

Which of these performs the night kill?

Pope World Tour-enacts to the world he is the Pope-raising his vote capacity by 2 along with vote immunity

Vote Immunity would give the mafia a huge disadvantage in the endgame.

Appoint-1 use, appoint a new bishop no matter who they are, if a satanic figure it acts as a bishop still satanic

If this targets the pope and the pope is revealed, does the pope keep his votes?

[Hypersniper]

ahh i made a demon role card, will add now

yes but the bishop would survive

no,he cant self target

it has a chance of blocking a killing role but besides that its a mere annoyance to the game players

the demon can preform night kill but lucifer can give up his night action for a kill

i will change to vote and night kill immunity for the next night and day

yes he keep votes

[Hypersniper]

hey orpz..... review....

[Orpz]

Has the Trap abilty, one use, it places a trap on any player including himself, if that player is killed then the player who killed him is killed aswell, plus if the player is voted then a random voter will die

How long does the trap last? Is a random voter killed if the trapped player is voted, or only when lynched?
Also this is overpowered.

Does healing prevent conversion?

Hard for me to figure out balance because of the insane amount of kill preventions, vest, and vote immunities. When it is your turn to host, I will approve this setup but until then, make sure that your game is balanced.

[Hypersniper]

How long does the trap last? Is a random voter killed if the trapped player is voted, or only when lynched?
Also this is overpowered.

Does healing prevent conversion?

Hard for me to figure out balance because of the insane amount of kill preventions, vest, and vote immunities. When it is your turn to host, I will approve this setup but until then, make sure that your game is balanced.

in all due respect i feel that it is not very overpowed the trap ability as it is just a bomb from epic mafia but can be placed on another player, traps last forever and onl;y when lynched

healing does not prevent convertion

[Orpz]

in all due respect i feel that it is not very overpowed the trap ability as it is just a bomb from epic mafia but can be placed on another player, traps last forever and onl;y when lynched

healing does not prevent convertion

Sounds good When it is your turn to host, I will bump this with the approved sign to let you know you can post signups.

[Stealthbomber16]

Has the Trap abilty, one use, it places a trap on any player including himself, if that player is killed then the player who killed him is killed aswell, plus if the player is voted then a random voter will die

1. Does this pierce vests?

Appoint-1 use, appoint a new bishop no matter who they are, if a satanic figure it acts as a bishop still satanic

2. Can this be self-casted?

Archbishop
has one use vote immunity

3. Since there are a total of 3 vote immunities (if I am not mistaken) that means at the least, one of the people who used the vote immunity are confirmed town. Is that balanced?
4. Does he keep this if turned into a bishop and it hasn't been used?

Lucifer
Can give up his night action for a kill

5. This means that if he uses the kill, he can't have the cult. If he chooses to go for cult, then it is at least night 3 before the first kill. Is this balanced?

Vison-one use,reveal the alligment of a random player to the town

6. Can this be self-cast?

Demon
Can enact the night kill

7. Can the Demon and Lucifer kill in the same night?

Devil
Has a One Time Enforce, in which he can kill bypassing all heals and vest

8. Can the Devil and the Demon kill in the same night?

Can Summon Demon-recruiting a player to the worshiper

9. Is there a maximum size for this?

Worshiper
Just a citizen following the great, all powerful satan

10. If Lucifer, the Devil, and the Demon die, can a worshiper perform a night kill still?

one preist has the power of holy blessing which allows them to heal a player each night, including themselves if wanted

11. Are targets notified of being healed, or being attacked or healed?
12. Is the priest notified if his target is attacked?
13. Wouldn't it just be simpler to add a doctor to the setup?
14. Are priests notified if they are the healer that night?

No outside coms

15. This implies anonymous accounts. Are you planning on using anonymous accounts?

Lucifer
Can give up his night action for a kill

16. So if Lucifer doesn't recruit a demon, there are no night kills after he dies except for the Devil's enforce. Is this intended?

Has a One Time Enforce, in which he can kill bypassing all heals and vest

17. Can this go through night immunity from the pope?


Thats all I got for now. I'm with orpz. this is a hard setup to read.

[Hypersniper]

1. Does this pierce vests?
no


2. Can this be self-casted?
no


3. Since there are a total of 3 vote immunities (if I am not mistaken) that means at the least, one of the people who used the vote immunity are confirmed town. Is that balanced?
ur opinoin
4. Does he keep this if turned into a bishop and it hasn't been used?
no


5. This means that if he uses the kill, he can't have the cult. If he chooses to go for cult, then it is at least night 3 before the first kill. Is this balanced?
yes


6. Can this be self-cast?
well it reveals it to town, meaning everyone


7. Can the Demon and Lucifer kill in the same night?
yes


8. Can the Devil and the Demon kill in the same night?
yes


9. Is there a maximum size for this?
3


10. If Lucifer, the Devil, and the Demon die, can a worshiper perform a night kill still?
no


11. Are targets notified of being healed, or being attacked or healed?
yes
12. Is the priest notified if his target is attacked?
yes
13. Wouldn't it just be simpler to add a doctor to the setup?
yes but i hate simple
14. Are priests notified if they are the healer that night?
no


15. This implies anonymous accounts. Are you planning on using anonymous accounts?
no


16. So if Lucifer doesn't recruit a demon, there are no night kills after he dies except for the Devil's enforce. Is this intended?
yep


17. Can this go through night immunity from the pope?
yep

Thats all I got for now. I'm with orpz. this is a hard setup to read.

well i hate easy

[Stealthbomber16]

I don't think that this setup is balanced. This seems to me like an easy town victory.

[Hypersniper]

this is next in the play line right

[Orpz]

No. There are quite a lot of games ahead in line, actually. But I will do my best to have them run efficiently to minimize your wait time.

[BananaCucho]

No. There are quite a lot of games ahead in line, actually. But I will do my best to have them run efficiently to minimize your wait time.

List plz

[Orpz]

List plz

Good idea. I'll make a list shortly.

[Firebringer]

We should have a queue up.

I think order right now is:
Janitor 2.0
Assassins Oath
Christianity
The Terrible Events of the Cruise Ship
Charmanders Revenge
then Werewolf assault?

Correct me if I am wrong on any of these.

[Hypersniper]

ADDED BALANCING METHODS AND 2 NEW ROLES

Spoiler : changelog :

Added Damien role to assist satanic in growing the cult
Added Religious correspondent as a extra balancing measure
Removed a priest in exchange for a doctor
Added baptist as a doctor and cult stopping role
Removed archbishops vote immunity for a vest
and made recruiting the pope impossible
and archbishop turns to priest if tried to recruited

[Hypersniper]

Since this is coming closish to the play time any questions i would like now pleqase and criticisms

[Orpz]

You alive?

[Darkcrusader]

No Atheist neutral role? That's disappointing.

[Hypersniper]

im alive

[Stealthbomber16]

im alive

Darn.

[Orpz]

How long does Demon's trap ability lasts?
Does it kill a random voter if they vote the trapped person? Or only if the trapped person is lynched?

Jehovah's Witness's Vision is overpowered. It either confirms a scum or a town and doesn't fit well with the balance considering it is RNG.

It is perfectly fine that you don't want to use the vote counter, but I think it is a bit of a hassle on the players.

[Stealthbomber16]

Yea. I'd say use the vote counter.

[yzb25]

Religious correspondent
Can ask a player at night to publish a report
if the player if satanic the correspondent finds out BUT cannot reveal during the day
If the player is the witness the correspondent turns into Jehovah witness
if the player is Lucifer he must kill next night or die, but he is not allowed to reveal who Lucifer is
can not have a last will

Wouldn't this be a little dodgy? I mean, how do we determine what revealing actually is? If someone says "I am religious correspondent and I think you should lynch player X", he's not technically revealing player X is evil, he's just saying he thinks we should lynch player X. Yet, at the same time, we can still infer that he's probably saying X is Satanic.

Also, if someone tells me they're religious correspondent and they say they've found Lucifer (but obviously they can't say who Lucifer is) I'll just ask them 15 questions:

"Is A Lucifer?"
"Is B Lucifer?"
"Is C Lucifer?"

And so on, and so forth.

Technically they can still say who ISN'T Lucifer, they just can't say who is. So the one person they don't answer the question for is the person who is Lucifer. How would you deal with these loopholes?

[Orpz]

Yeah, please don't give feedback information to select players if you don't want them to reveal it.

It becomes a whole interpretation mess