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    Epilogue: Sozin's Comet Part 4: Avatar Aang



    The Order of the White Lotus successfully liberates Ba Sing Se, while Sokka, Suki and Toph disable all of the Airships. Katara freezes and chains Azula down, causing her to have a psychotic breakdown, then uses her exceptionally strong healing abilities to revitalize a severely wounded Zuko. During their battle, Ozai inadvertently causes Aang to enter the Avatar State which enables Aang to easily overwhelm Ozai, but Aang is still unwilling to kill him. Using his knowledge from the lion-turtle, Aang invokes a new bending ability called energybending to permanently strip Ozai of his firebending abilities, defeating the Phoenix King without taking his life. Newly appointed Fire Lord Zuko declares the war over, and Aang and his friends celebrate together at Iroh's tea shop in Ba Sing Se. Zuko and Mai reconcile and Zuko confronts his father, angrily demands Ozai tell him where his mother, Ursa, is being kept. Aang and Katara share a loving hug and kiss passionately.

    And the cabbage merchant takes his cart happily into the market, able to sell his cabbage without fear of hooligans ruining it at last.




    FM Rumpel was lynched. He was Qin Lee, a Kidnapper, Framer, and Chauffeur.

    The Gaang and The Cabbage Merchant have won!

    - Role List -

    - Fire Nation -
    Ozai (Phoenix King/Capregime)
    Azula (Crown Princess)
    Hidden Fire Nation (Consigliere)
    Hidden Fire Nation (Blackmailer)
    Hidden Fire Nation (Consort)
    Hidden Fire Nation (Kidnapper/Framer/Chauffeur)


    - Neutral Evil -
    Combustion Man (Mass Murderer)
    Hama (Magician)


    - The Gaang -
    Aang (Avatar)
    Katara (Doctor)
    Sokka (Nurse)
    Toph (Truthseer)
    Zuko (Vigilante)
    Appa (Bus Driver)
    Iroh (Grand Lotus/Bodyguard)
    Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
    Hidden Gaang (Blacksmith)
    Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
    Hidden Gaang (Lookout)
    Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
    Hidden Gaang (Citizen/Vigilante)
    Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
    Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
    Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
    Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
    Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
    Hidden Gaang (Citizen/Professor/White Lotus)
    Hidden Gaang (Citizen/Detective)
    Hidden Gaang


    - Ember Island Informant -
    Cabbage Merchant (Hidden Benign)


    - Player List -

    FM AscendedOne
    FM Auckmid
    FM Clawtrocity
    FM Crimson
    FM divemaster127
    FM FalseTruth
    FM Ganondorf
    FM Gerik
    FM Goonswarm
    FM Illidan
    FM McPwnage
    FM MileS
    FM monster
    FM MrSmarter
    FM Narks
    FM NorthStar
    FM oops_ur_dead
    FM Ozymandias
    FM philie
    FM Procyon
    FM Raiden
    FM Rumpel
    FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
    FM Severn
    FM Slaol
    FM Spy
    FM TheJackofSpades
    FM vornksr
    FM Yayap
    FM Zack


    -Living Players-
    FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
    FM Severn


    -Dead Players-
    FM Clawtrocity - Citizen - Killed by a vigilante on Night One
    FM Slaol - Truthseer - Killed by a vigilante on Night Two
    FM Raiden - Blacksmith - Killed by a vigilante on Night Two
    FM Ganondorf - Consigliere - lynched by an angry mob on Day Three
    FM MileS - Citizen - Killed by an all powerful Avatar on Day Three
    FM Illidan - Citizen - Killed by an all powerful Avatar on Day Three
    FM McPwnage - Citizen - Killed by an all powerful Avatar on Day Three
    FM Divemaster127 - Vigilante - Killed by a blacksmith gun on Night Three
    FM AscendedOne - Nurse - Killed by a mass murderer on Night Three
    FM MrSmarter - Doctor - Killed by a vigilante on Night Three
    FM TheJackofSpades - Bus Driver - Killed by an all powerful Avatar on Night Three.
    FM Auckmid - Phoenix King - lynched by an angry mob on Day Four
    FM Phillie - Crown Princess - Killed by a vigilante on Night Four
    FM Procyon - Citizen - Killed by the Crown Princess on Night Four
    FM Northstar - Blackmailer - lynched by an angry mob on Day Five
    FM Gerik - Citizen - Committed suicide on Day Five
    FM Yayap - Citizen/Vigilante - Killed by a mass murderer on Night Five
    FM Zack - The Avatar - Killed by a mass murderer on Night Five
    FM oops_ur_dead - Citizen - Killed by an all powerful Avatar on Night Five
    FM Vornksr - Grand Lotus/Bodyguard - Executed by a Kidnapper on Night Six
    FM Narks - Phoenix King Ozai/Caporegime - Killed by a mass murderer on Night Six
    FM Falsetruth - Mass Murderer - lynched by an angry mob on Day Seven
    FM Ozymandias - Citizen/Professor/White Lotus - Killed by the Fire Nation on Night Seven
    FM Goonswarm - Consort - lynched by an angry mob on Day Eight
    FM Monster - Citizen- Killed by the Fire Nation on Night Eight
    FM Spy - Magician - lynched by an angry mob on Day Nine
    FM Crimson - Citizen/Detective - Killed by the Fire Nation on Night Nine
    FM Rumpel - Kidnapper/Framer/Chauffeur - lynched by an angry mob on Day Ten

    -Last Wills-
    Spoiler : Procyon's Last Will :
    I was a Citizen. Since I am dead, I want to tell you all the I believe Philie, Goonswarm, Monster, and Severn are probably scum, and would look closely at them. Also, possibly Northstar.

    Good luck town.

    Spoiler : Gerik's Last Will :
    In favor of keeping direction My LW today is focused on what I think the D4 lynch should be as opposed to giant read walls on everyone. My other reads are kind of vague anyways.

    Spy 100% team scum. You have to really look hard to find to find any original contribution or any effort at all to scum hunt. Plenty of bussing Ganon and more than enough for everyone to agree on this guy for the lynch.
    Spoiler : D1 :

    5 posts. Only real post he just voiced what others were already saying. Dirty lurker right here with soft attempts to look town
    20:44#10 (Fluff)
    20:44#11 (Toh post)
    10:40#229 (Fluff)
    12:14#236 (Soft Fos me/Anti Lynch)
    01:17#251 (Mechanics Fluff) So he knows his mechanics..

    Spoiler : D2 :

    For D2 his actions could be summed up as a slight push on Ganon, Then jumping over to the Narks train without pushing on narks, Then jumping to Raiden and pushing on him, Then sheeping the monster train. Inbetween there was a soft poke on alpha (After he claimed neutral) with a bunch of fluff and mechanics talk.
    I read it as bussing Ganon with zero real scum hunting. Plenty of soft attempts to gain town cred in there.
    20:10#3 (Questioning the vig kill on Claw) Fluff
    16:18#5 (More on vig kill) Fluff
    20:57#12 (Justification) Jumps out of chat quick
    11:48#283 (Votes Ganondorf)
    11:50#286 (Justifys vote) No questions but adding pressure? Are you lazy or bussing?
    04:42#350 (Logic/Fluff)
    19:37#429 (Logic/Fluff)
    19:41#430 From #250 (Orginizational/Fluff) Zero value at all. Just helping someone find useless information
    19:42#431 (Justifies vote) Pushing on Ganon calling his claim reflexive.
    08:52#702 (Bussing Ganon but pushing Narks) Strong potential for bussing there. He softly pushed him earlier and jumped over to narks when the lynch got real
    08:57#706 (Voteing Narks) Insinuating he may be inclined to switch his vote back. Backtracking?
    10:22#730 (Votes on Raiden)
    10:54#745 (Pushing on Raiden)
    11:01#750 (Calling alpha Hama)
    11:08#755 (Logic on Alpha Push)
    11:22#759 (Withdraws alpha push)
    12:30#794 (Mechanics logic)
    12:35#799 (Mechanics Logic)
    13:52#847 (Desire to not lynch Ganondorf)
    14:26#907 (Votes Narks)
    14:38#925 (Pushes on narks) Desire to make him look scummy? Jumped to the conclusion his actions were a lie as opposed to ignorance. Twisting information or tunnel vision?
    14:44#929 (Explaining Raiden lynch)
    06:49#1092 (Votes Monster)

    Spoiler : D3 :

    No real desire to lynch Ganon in there and plenty of keeping ‘other options’ open. As in the last 2 days there’s pretty much no scum hunting or substance in his posts and his only original contributions seem to be mechanics related
    20:01#2 (Toph Post) With Toph dead? Post 7 suggests late realization of the grave yard.
    20:01#3 (Claims no feedback)
    20:04#7 (Who should I lynch) Why would he even consider monster as a target with Toph in the graveyard? Distancing himself from Ganon while insinuating a possible way to keep his scum buddy alive.
    21:09#74 (Votes Ganondorf)
    21:29#83 (Logic) Clarifying for Ganondorf
    21:29#85 (Clarify)
    23:31#140 (Push on Narks, Ganon and JackOfSpades) 1 scum and 2 town? Bussing at its best.
    23:33#142 (Clarifying for another player)
    01:05#171 (Defends Ganondorf)
    01:06#172 (Calls Zack a no-show) Shows how much he is paying attention and trying to scum hunt. He doesn’t even know who has been posting)
    01:13#173 (Backtracking/Push on Zack)
    08:43#196 (Pushes JackofSpades)
    10:22#220 (Asking if I was charged) Could suggest he doesn’t have a night chat. Or it could be an attempt to appear as much.
    12:12#238 (Logic)
    08:15#479 (Misrepresenting information) But 2 posts ago he was asking if I was charged N2. This is a very odd conflict. Maybe getting his lies twisted?
    08:18#480 (Not even sure what he means there)
    11:17#504 (Fluff) Referencing old games again
    13:45#544 (Pushing on JackofSpades)Real lack of any interaction with Ganon today.. Seems focused on anyone but him.
    15:17#577 (Mechanics Logic) On Phoenix King
    15:23#584 (Logic)
    15:25#588 (Mechanics Logic) On Phoenix King
    03:28#594 (Mechanics Logic) On phoenix King
    17:05#704 (Fluff) Emotionally neutral.
    18:44#720 (Insulting JackofSpades) Trying to stir him up instead of talking him down? Looks like you want him to go nuts and kill a bunch of potential town.
    19:30#729 (Push on Monster) Some hint of scum hunting. As soft as everything else and without any real substance
    19:49#740 (Anti Unvote) To see ganon lynched or coaching other scum?

    Spoiler : Yayap's Last Will :
    On N5, I shot FalseTruth because I think he got disguised as by Auckmid. I find it hard to believe that someone who posted explicitly about making a probable code that isn't gibberish would take the UPC code of some catnip brand.

    I'm also avoiding the MM by not hitting Monster or Goonswarm who I think need to die. I changed my mind on Monster and don't think he's town after all.

    Spoiler : Ozymandias' Last Will :
    Guess I'm dead. Well here's this again:

    Mafia:
    Goonswarm
    Rumpel

    Town:
    Ozymandias
    Crimson
    Monster
    Severn

    Hama:
    Spy

    Cabbage Merchant:
    S.A.S.Cnl Alpha

    Day 8:
    Lynch Goonswarm

    Day 9:
    Lynch Spy

    Day 10:
    Lynch Rumpel

    Do this and town wins.


    Spoiler : Crimson's Last WIll :
    FM Crimson - town
    FM Goonswarm - consort
    FM monster - town
    FM Ozymandias - town
    FM Rumpel - kidnapper
    FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha - fucked up awsomen neutral
    FM Severn - town
    FM Spy - hama

    really we are at POE stage now so i dont really see a need to have a "real" lw or even my actions

    i was consider at one point always tracking vonk jsut to see who he was visiting



    Entire Roles list
    Player Name Account Name Original Role Aang Visit Role Iroh Visit Role
    Helios FM Auckmid Phoenix King Caporegime Mafioso
    Superjack FM philie Crown Princess Tailor Mortician
    42shadow42 FM Ganondorf Consigliere Arms Dealer Kidnapper
    Bahkieh FM Goonswarm Consort Drug Dealer Thief
    Numbertwo FM Northstar Blackmailer Consort Ventriloquist
    Fatalis FM Rumpel Tracker / Kidnapper Framer Chauffeur
    Klingoncelt FM Falsetruth
    Mass Murderer Arsonist Serial Killer
    Arrow FM Spy Magician Overlord Ventriloquist
    TheDarkestLight FM Zack Avatar Mayor Survivalist
    Banshis FM MrSmarter Doctor Escort Witch
    Orpz FM AscendedOne Nurse Lookout Veteran
    Brendan FM Slaol Truthseer Jailor Armorsmith
    Auckmid FM divemaster127 Vigilante Detective Beguiler
    Bigby FM TheJackofSpades Bus Driver Matchmaker Architect
    Apache FM vornksr Grand Lotus Bodyguard Beguiler
    Lysergic FM Ozymandius Citizen Professor White Lotus
    Gyver FM Miles Citizen Sheriff White Lotus
    Citrus FM oops_ur_dead Citizen Coroner White Lotus
    Powerofdeath FM Raiden Blacksmith Armorsmith White Lotus
    deathworlds FM Narks Lookout Shaman Amnesiac
    Edgeworth FM Illidan Citizen Executioner Marshall
    Ika FM Crimson Citizen Lookout Detective
    Tamashiii FM McPwnage Citizen Sheriff Sheriff
    Clementine FM Yayap Citizen Veteran Vigilante
    Fragos FM Monster Citizen Gypsy Gypsy
    Voss FM Clawtrocity Citizen Bodyguard Survivalist
    Fluffiness FM Procyon Citizen Doctor Doctor
    Vaimes / Voss FM Severn Citizen Escort Enchantress
    ThinkLiveLife FM Gerik Citizen Crier Journalist
    NoctiZ FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha Survivor Executioner Jester
    colored were roles possessed at time of death
    Spreadsheet of night actions for your enjoyment.

    -Awards-

    FM MVP: Lysergic as FM Ozymandius
    From day one Lysergic was a strong voice of reason and leader for the town. He accurately called out several scum slips and was instrumental in Town's victory. When he died, he left town a last will giving them the plan that gave them the highest chance of victory, which ended up working. Not only that, but he was one of only two players who received both additional roles during the game even though for some reason a lot of people seemed to think he was the magician, which may be the reason he lived as long as he did.

    Best Scum: Fatalis as FM Rumpel
    Fatalis started the game very strong, convincing many players that he was town. In fact, he was the first player that Aang decided to visit, and he was also Katara's heal target that night. From there, he successfully kept himself low on everyone's scumdar- a few players made note of him, but he was never in any danger of being lynched. In addition, he was the only person other than Ozymandias who managed to get visited by both Aang and Iroh. The day following the visit by Iroh, which also happened to be the same night he was retrained to be a kidnapper, he immediately locked in a jail on Iroh knowing there would be no lynch because of the blackmail suicide the previous day, which aside from killing Iroh, had the additional benefit (though Fatalis didn't necessarily know this at the time) of removing him from his chat with Ozymandias.

    Masters of all 4 elements: FM Ozymandius, and FM Rumpel
    This might feel slightly redundant now, but we felt another award was needed for these two as they were the only 2 to successfully draw visits from both Aang and Iroh. Rumpel's were a bit needless as the more powerful Chauffeur came in the late end of the game, and Ozymandius' were even more hilarious since he got Professor, and made his Protegee the man who would invite him to the White Lotus the following night. Ozymandius and Vornksr would have 2 chats all to themselves. Moreover, Rumpel took part in 2 chats (Mafia and Jail), and his company in the Jail chat was also Vornksr.

    Most Improved Player: Ika as FM Crimson
    Ika has always been an alright player in the hosts' eyes. While he might never 'break' a game like he wants, he rarely drags his faction down either. Much to the delight of the Hosts this game, however, Ika really remained Town looking in most player's eyes; enough to gain a visit from Iroh, and had top(h) shelf night actions following getting Detective, up to and including busting over the Cabbage Merchant's cabbage cart to keep the Town in a place to win alongside him. He successfully tracked several Scum throughout the game and was forward but efficient in using it to push on them.

    Timing Award: Players of FM 23
    Those of you who are less familiar with Avatar might not know this, but the RP for this game was actually taken directly from episodes of the show with some minor revisions on my part. So naturally, we didn't expect that the RP would have anything to do with actual occurrences in the game... But boy were we wrong.

    On day 4 (puppetmaster), the RP was about Hama and how the Gaang encountered her. Then in the first moments of the day, Gerik comes out and votes Spy (who had until then been under everyone's radar) citing an extensive read of his posts as evidence that Spy is "100% scum". Then on the following night, Spy caged Yayap, which caused the charge Azula had planned to use to kill her to instead reflect back at Azula instead. In other words, Hama bloodbent a firebender on the same night that the RP mentioned her penchant for bloodbending firebenders. Also of note was that Ozai was lynched on this day, which bring us to day 5...

    On day 5 (Day of Black Sun), the RP was about the gaang searching for the firelord and failing to find him, or in other words, literally what was going on in the FM that day as everyone tried to figure out who Ozai had disguised as.

    Then on night 5, the night before the RP for the Boiling Rock (Fire Nation prison) was set to be posted, Narks used his newfound caporegime ability to retrain Rumple into a Kidnapper. The name of the Jail Chat? The Boiling Rock.

    The Final Day of the Game 'Into the Inferno', as the RP focuses, is most associated with the Agni Kai between Zuko and Azula- with Katara looking on. On that final day we ended with a Fire Nation member, a Town member, and a bystander. In that episode too it was Katara that would secure the victory, just as our onlooker did here.

    Aunt Wu Award: Clementine as FM Yayap
    In Avatar, Aunt Wu is a fortuneteller that is most well known for predicting that the Volcano would not destroy a nearby Town. The Volcano does, of course, erupt. For bad fortunes and taking action that one thinks will keep them alive, even going so far as to put it in their last will... Clementine gets this award.

    Random.org Award: Brendan as FM Slaol and S-FM Earth
    Brendan rolled FM Slaol, lucky him, as well as getting Toph Beifong for the major FM. Then in Dead Chat in S-FM Republic City Brendan also ended up randoming into S-FM Earth which was also Toph Beifong. Moreover, Toph is an Earth Bender, and Earth is Slaol's favorite element. It's pretty funny how many things all happened here.

    Day & Night Award: Town
    Town was perfect 7 for 7 in the day chat lynches as early as Day 3 and including the final day's lynch on Day 10. Sadly the Town was heavily hampered by 7 Town deaths caused by 2 Vigilantes at night. This was fun for the hosts as it brought back memory of FM 16 when Town was Perfect* in the day chat other than a successful Frame by Sir Iknek Blackstone Gerik himself. However, that game also saw all but 1 Town sided night kill teamkill.
    *Town also intentionally lynched the Vigilante in the late game when the Witch was controlling him.

    Founding of Cabbage Corp Award: NoctiZ as FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
    While NoctiZ did give up his chance to Solo-Win, the win we hosts really wanted to happen, he was the first Cabbage Merchant to pull out a victory in our trilogy of games.

    Law Abiding Citizens: FM Rumpel, FM Severn, FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
    These guys went out of their way to make sure they posted 5 times, even on the final day. For their consistency and adherence to the rules, these guys deserve some credit.

    -Host Thoughts on The Game-
    Scum:
    As you all probably noticed, scum roles/factions were very strong this game. We did this intentionally because we feel that in many FMs the balance is skewed in favor of the town to the point where the game is less about answering the question "Who will win?", but rather "When will town win?" In this game, we wanted to ensure it was the former, so we made scum strong in order to really put pressure on the town to stop them.

    As I mentioned in dead chat, Phoenix King might very well be the single most powerful role that has ever existed in a mafia (at least on this site). Immune to detection, night death, AND can survive a lynch. Not to mention the arsonist functionality and the night chat with 5 other people who each have abilities of their own. And the Mass Murderer lives up to his name- he doesn't stop at automatically killing roleblockers that target him- he also killed attackers and then sprees at his house, killing anyone else who is unfortunate enough to visit him the night of the attack, as town learned on night 5.

    Hama was easily the weakest evil role/faction, relying on charges in order to act and having no ability to kill on her own. But we balanced this by giving her a win condition that enabled her to win without being the sole survivor or even eliminating town. And the faction she did have to eliminate (fire nation) was also an enemy of the town, so she could rely on town to do at least some of the dirty work for her. So though she may have lacked raw power, she made up for it by having an easier win condition.

    Town:
    When we were deciding what roles to give the town, we already knew basically what scum was going to look like, so we tried to give town tools to battle them to even the playing field. We decided the Gaang's guaranteed roles were pretty good, but opted to also include a starting lookout and blacksmith to give the town some extra power early on. We also gave Aang some temporary immunity this time around so as to prevent a repeat of last game where he was killed early on and only managed to give out one new role, not to mention Iroh, who was basically a second Aang. This seemed pretty strong for town, so we balanced it by giving the mafia secondary and tertiary roles so that there was increased risk for Aang and Iroh- if they targeted scum, not only would they reveal themselves, but they would also make scum stronger by giving them a new ability.

    This turned out pretty well- both Aang and Iroh managed to give out a decent number of powers. And their targets only overlapped twice which resulted in a nice spread of power.

    All in all I think our goals for balance this game worked out pretty well. The game took the standard 10 days to complete and at the end every faction had a similar chance to win. There was never a point in the game where one faction was completely dominant and had victory assured. Even on the final day no victory was guaranteed as all 3 living players were of 3 different alignments.


    Truthseer
    We wanted Toph's role to be something befitting the best earthbender of all time that didn't involve jailing. Thus the truthseer was born. It took us a while to figure out how to balance the role. We brainstormed a few ideas before landing on the iteration that made it into the game. We decided it was pretty balanced because both town and scum have reasons to lie, so finding a lie would not necessarily make a person scum (unless of course Toph was used in exactly the way she was used... more on that later), but Toph would be able to use this to gain information which could be very valuable to her and the rest of the Gaang.

    Of course, not long after the setup was posted I had a question in my inbox about how the truthseer role was "gamebreaking" (direct quote) because people could post "I am town" and she could check those posts and find out players' alignment. Though I had other hopes for the role, I saw no reason for this to be considered "gamebreaking" as all this would really do is make Toph into a sheriff. A role that has been around as long as mafia itself and is included in nearly every FM. And if she was used this way, she would be weaker than a typical sheriff because she would have to rely on people to make posts specifically for her to check their alignment AND they would have to do that every single day. If anyone forgets or chooses not to do it, too bad. I was a bit disappointed it didn't get to do more. I feel that truthseer is a very interesting role that has a lot of possibilities in terms of the information it can get. But Toph died early and didn't get to do as much as I'd hoped. Oh well. That's FMs for you!

    In any case, I hope you all enjoyed playing the game. We certainly enjoyed hosting it.
    Last edited by Forum Mafia GM; February 2nd, 2015 at 04:30 PM.

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    Re: Epilogue: Sozin's Comet Part 4: Avatar Aang

    One hell of a game. I loved every bit of it and that twist at the end was pretty epic. Great playing with you guys.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

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    Re: Epilogue: Sozin's Comet Part 4: Avatar Aang

    I knew there would be double roles...

    Doctor, Doctor.

    Sheriff, Sheriff.


    gg guys
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
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    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
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    fucketh me in the ass

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    Re: Epilogue: Sozin's Comet Part 4: Avatar Aang

    Well, I had no regrets joining the game, even knowing I would be really busy to give myself some time to play.

    It's good that you managed to enjoy it. Forum Mafia apparently is still alive, after all.

    Spoiler : Forum Mafia History :
    FMVI: Seer FMVII: Lookout FMIX: Propagandist FMX: Arsonist FMXI:Janitor FMXIII: Corrupt Journalist
    FMXIV: Lookout FM XVI: Vigilante FM XVII: Host FM XVIII: Witch FM XIX: Bounty Hunter FMXX: Electro Maniac



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    Re: Epilogue: Sozin's Comet Part 4: Avatar Aang

    QQ
    I love oops

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Severn View Post
    still didn't read day 2
    i think day 2 was mostly me shouting at people to get ganondorf lynched b/c of his bad fakeclaim

    Quote Originally Posted by Klingoncelt View Post
    So.

    Where's the signup thread for the next game?

    And what will that game be?

    I'm /in, whatever it is.
    we have a poll comming up for our M-fm soon

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    me thinks iroh was most valuable player. i'm not judging myself if i was the best player or not, but from an objective PoV definitely most valuable, because no one did more things that helped town win than iroh. i mean look at all he has done. starting with night actions, all good (or bad) actions crimson and yayap did wouldnt have even been possible without me. he only couldnt give ozy something good because we got unlucky. then his actions lead to the outing of the last mafia rumpel without giving him a useful new pr. yes it wasn't intended that way but this action was the only mistake he made over the entire game and also it was very helpful. also his actions caught narks as a liar, though he died before we could make use of that information
    then day presence. i mean just look how he managed to hide away from the scum over 6 days. how he managed to stay low but still contributing and pushing town into the right direction. how scum had no clue he was iroh and only knew because host confirmed it to them by the visit. ganondorf would never have been outed without his analysis. also look at how he made an analysis with the conclusion FT is scum on d2. he knew aangs n1 target was scum which even aang himself didnt realize. and iroh tried to make aang out him by specifically asking who the n1 target was and what he thinks about him, strongly implying he's scum but still aang didnt realize sadly. could have found rumpel way sooner and prevented iroh from making the same mistake
    definitely you can say that gerik, yayap and iroh did the greatest part for the town lynch streak, because they were the guys leading the lynches
    then the night chat. all the things he has told ozy and discussed with him. the chat really had much substance (from both sides) and irohs scum lists were definitely pretty accurate, also in lw.
    and last but not least the jail chat. how iroh was 100% certain it was a kidnapper and not a jailor, not outing any information. iroh even was enough convincing with his magician claim without outing any info, that he could tell for sure that, because they didnt buy it, they have to know it for certain, meaning rumpel is mafia.

    ozy imo wasn't that outstanding. sure he played well but still i don't see any major contributions for the victory. i mean he hasn't called out any scum with substance during the entire game iirc. in the end anyone could have put 2 and 2 together, the scums were obvious. and of course you lynch them in this order, thats simple logic. his night actions also weren't important for victory. sure, he didnt have the chance, but you also don't give most valuable player to citizens usually, unless they were very valuable at day

    yes i'm very dissappointed i didnt get MVP, i though it was an obvious. fm 18, 21 and this game now i was so close and i finally wanted it, especially because i'm leaving fm now (i only played this because i played book 1&2 though in retrospect it was a mistake to sign because it was so annoying, all the modkills, slaols rage). i'm not leaving because i still didnt get mvp despite probably being one of the best players this site had. but it definitely makes the leaving even more sad. i think i will play more rlm (RL mafia), its definitely more fun, though it doesn't involve as much brain as FM
    so maybe hosts weren't biased for mvp. maybe
    maybe slaol doesn't have anything personal against me. maybe
    maybe staff isn't advantaged on this site. maybe
    oh wait at least the last 2 aren't just maybes...
    FM Stats: Town 8 wins of 12 Mafia 3 of 4 All 11 of 16 (69%)

    Complete FM History: Click


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Scums didn't kill much did they?
    Well, it was more valuable to charge the first days to limit the movement in town, to sad that 40% of the targets died the same night. XD
    This is the Revolution. The glorious Evolution. There is no light, without shadow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Auckmid View Post
    inb4 rumpel is TDL
    Nope. ^^

    One cannot comprehend the frustration that went through my mind when I saw Narks was suddenly not posting like he normally did the day following me targeting him. I'd even changed my last will to say I thought he was town "when I targeted him".

    Cursed RNG.

    Good thing it didn't completely kill the game for the town though.

    But imagine being PH and getting targeted by Iroh and receiving "You have become a Mafioso!"

    Or Monster getting targeted by both Iroh and Aang...
    Last edited by TheDarkestLight; February 2nd, 2015 at 06:01 AM.
    None can stand against the coming Darkness...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
    Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    me thinks iroh was most valuable player. i'm not judging myself if i was the best player or not, but from an objective PoV definitely most valuable, because no one did more things that helped town win than iroh. i mean look at all he has done. starting with night actions, all good (or bad) actions crimson and yayap did wouldnt have even been possible without me. he only couldnt give ozy something good because we got unlucky. then his actions lead to the outing of the last mafia rumpel without giving him a useful new pr. yes it wasn't intended that way but this action was the only mistake he made over the entire game and also it was very helpful. also his actions caught narks as a liar, though he died before we could make use of that information
    then day presence. i mean just look how he managed to hide away from the scum over 6 days. how he managed to stay low but still contributing and pushing town into the right direction. how scum had no clue he was iroh and only knew because host confirmed it to them by the visit. ganondorf would never have been outed without his analysis. also look at how he made an analysis with the conclusion FT is scum on d2. he knew aangs n1 target was scum which even aang himself didnt realize. and iroh tried to make aang out him by specifically asking who the n1 target was and what he thinks about him, strongly implying he's scum but still aang didnt realize sadly. could have found rumpel way sooner and prevented iroh from making the same mistake
    definitely you can say that gerik, yayap and iroh did the greatest part for the town lynch streak, because they were the guys leading the lynches
    then the night chat. all the things he has told ozy and discussed with him. the chat really had much substance (from both sides) and irohs scum lists were definitely pretty accurate, also in lw.
    and last but not least the jail chat. how iroh was 100% certain it was a kidnapper and not a jailor, not outing any information. iroh even was enough convincing with his magician claim without outing any info, that he could tell for sure that, because they didnt buy it, they have to know it for certain, meaning rumpel is mafia.

    ozy imo wasn't that outstanding. sure he played well but still i don't see any major contributions for the victory. i mean he hasn't called out any scum with substance during the entire game iirc. in the end anyone could have put 2 and 2 together, the scums were obvious. and of course you lynch them in this order, thats simple logic. his night actions also weren't important for victory. sure, he didnt have the chance, but you also don't give most valuable player to citizens usually, unless they were very valuable at day

    yes i'm very dissappointed i didnt get MVP, i though it was an obvious. fm 18, 21 and this game now i was so close and i finally wanted it, especially because i'm leaving fm now (i only played this because i played book 1&2 though in retrospect it was a mistake to sign because it was so annoying, all the modkills, slaols rage). i'm not leaving because i still didnt get mvp despite probably being one of the best players this site had. but it definitely makes the leaving even more sad. i think i will play more rlm (RL mafia), its definitely more fun, though it doesn't involve as much brain as FM
    so maybe hosts weren't biased for mvp. maybe
    maybe slaol doesn't have anything personal against me. maybe
    maybe staff isn't advantaged on this site. maybe
    oh wait at least the last 2 aren't just maybes...
    You played well, Apache. However, most of your contributions to town came from your night actions. You made very few posts during the day. And was was noted in the Epilogue post, the day is where town really shined this game, as all but two scum deaths were from lynches, and of the two that weren't, one was at the hands of another scum. So having a strong presence during the day weighed more heavily in the MVP decision, and Ozymandias had the strongest presence of any player.

    There is no bias for or against staff when it comes to MVP awards. I myself am a prime example of this, as I won two consecutive MVPs in my first two games on this site and I was not staff. Not long after that in FM 19, both the town and scum MVP were new players. If you had been the strongest player, we would have given you MVP. There are past FMs you played where I thought you were deserving of MVP, (such as the one in your signature) but not this time.

    Furthermore, raging at a cohost doesn't earn you any favors. Not that he was innocent in the conflict himself, in fact he is more to blame in my eyes simply because he is a host and should know not to rage at players, but you still did not help by continuing to fuel the fire.

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    Night chats?
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

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    I was pretty disappointed I didn't get to use my role in either game lol. I tried to make myself an undesirable target but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    I love oops

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    LOL @this post

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Northstar View Post
    He wont. He probably sees himself as the town Mvp. He wont throw that away by letting the scums win.
    Why would you even say that.. lmao.

    I was deciding between doing what I believe is right and give the win to the faction that deserves it more in my eyes or rustling as many jimmies as I could.. and while it was very tempting to vote Severn, I decided to go with town (also mainly because I enjoyed FM Gerik's play throughout, nicely done Helz).
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    i scumreaded him because his posts were gay
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    ah fuck.
    I HARDCLAIM MASON ASSASSIN.

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    P
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight View Post
    Nope. ^^

    One cannot comprehend the frustration that went through my mind when I saw Narks was suddenly not posting like he normally did the day following me targeting him. I'd even changed my last will to say I thought he was town "when I targeted him".

    Cursed RNG.

    Good thing it didn't completely kill the game for the town though.

    But imagine being PH and getting targeted by Iroh and receiving "You have become a Mafioso!"

    Or Monster getting targeted by both Iroh and Aang...
    The mafioso was actually something I was excited to see. The deatnotes and last will gave him a way to coordinate with Combustian Man if they needed, and the sending members to kill without having to act gave defense to escort and detective and the like. It's more a utility on top of his broken roles than it was supposed to be a power itself, but I really wanted that.

    The double roles getting both in one night would have been funny though, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatar Roku View Post
    You played well, Apache. However, most of your contributions to town came from your night actions. You made very few posts during the day. And was was noted in the Epilogue post, the day is where town really shined this game, as all but two scum deaths were from lynches, and of the two that weren't, one was at the hands of another scum. So having a strong presence during the day weighed more heavily in the MVP decision, and Ozymandias had the strongest presence of any player.

    There is no bias for or against staff when it comes to MVP awards. I myself am a prime example of this, as I won two consecutive MVPs in my first two games on this site and I was not staff. Not long after that in FM 19, both the town and scum MVP were new players. If you had been the strongest player, we would have given you MVP. There are past FMs you played where I thought you were deserving of MVP, (such as the one in your signature) but not this time.

    Furthermore, raging at a cohost doesn't earn you any favors. Not that he was innocent in the conflict himself, in fact he is more to blame in my eyes simply because he is a host and should know not to rage at players, but you still did not help by continuing to fuel the fire.
    And I'd've pushed heavily for Crimson if we went by night actions. Ika himself can tell you, Apache, where he'd expect my biases on a scale of pro-Ika to anti-Ika. Just because things don't go your way doesn't mean someone is biased against you. Shit, I even made up an award for Ika for his proving my prior statements about his play wrong.

    Apache you also accused me of wanting another lurking scum win, and for heavily favoring scum when modkills didn't go in your favor. Not only did scum lose, but the only modkill that I, Slaol, decided on was Admiral Zhao in book 1.

    Your accusations are unfounded, and I suggest you consider that you might be biased in favor to Apache, more so than others are against Apache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Severn View Post
    also, the one complaint i had about this fm was the slow days/strict posting. it should have been relaxed, especially with all the info out in the open.
    We would have liked to do that if we didn't have these pesky things called jobs and lives. Sadly we do have those things so we had to stick to the schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatar Roku View Post
    We would have liked to do that if we didn't have these pesky things called jobs and lives. Sadly we do have those things so we had to stick to the schedule.
    Can confirm. The fact that Days were pretty consistently on time is already impressive.

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    I won the last FM for most entertaining player.
    Thought the Appa rage would be fun.
    I also had fun in the small S-FM as Air before I was killed. Seemed like people "loled" at my posts before Mafia cut me off.
    Still think I should not have been labled as Modkilled but I understand why that had to be done to save the game.
    Was still fun and of course I look forward to the next one!
    APPA JUST WANTS A EXPLOSIVE HUG!

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    Apache biased toward Apache
    I love oops

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    I knew Spy was neutral of some sort sense day 2...
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
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    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

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    If you guys want somethig to hold you over til the next mfm/fm sign up for my setup! :~) https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...074#post472074
    I love oops

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    I'm sad I missed this; it looks like it was a good game. The FM account names sure take me back...
    FMII: Armorsmith | FMIII: Napoli Godfather | FMIV: Arsonist | FMV: Doctor | FMVI: Greed | FMVIII: Consigliere | FMXVI: Citizen | MFMXVII: Bus Driver | FMXX: Mason

    Il giusto è solo chi sa fingerlo meglio

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    Quote Originally Posted by vornksr View Post
    I'm sad I missed this; it looks like it was a good game. The FM account names sure take me back...
    thanks for lending me your name


    @gerik:
    well unfortunately hosts didnt want to give me mvp in 18, only best town

    low post amount =/= low contribution:
    i actually contributed quite much with few posts, many people even said this

    also low post amount =/= bad day performance
    you have to adapt to your role, i was with aang the most important role in game, so i was forced to stay low. you see this completely wrong, a bad day performance would have been to talk as much as gerik and get doused n1 for this role. if you wanted me to write more you should have given me citizen. you're basicly punishing me for playing according to my role and wincon

    and last but not least, you cant generally say town only won because of their day performance.
    day actions are just the result of previous night actions. how did we find ozai and mm? night actions. also the consort, the bmer etc. sure not all, like ganondorf who i pegged by analysis
    sure day performance was awesome here, because no mislynch, but it wouldnt have been possible without good night actions. and night actions were mostly well apart from the vigi fails
    and the argument that most scums died at day tells nothing, of course town usually kills the scums at day, always.

    also i didnt rage, i only pointed some things out where he was wrong imo. of course it's not good for getting mvp, but that's bias too

    @slaol: maybe i'm biased to think that you are biased but i'm not biased on my performance i think
    FM Stats: Town 8 wins of 12 Mafia 3 of 4 All 11 of 16 (69%)

    Complete FM History: Click


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    apeach we are all biased to think our play is great. thats the problem you are saying "well my play is best cus i think so"

    take it from an outsiders POV. i usually don't agree with slaol but i will here. Trying to use your role and say that night actions and how you played to justify yourself to be an MVP is just bias.

    Now if outside players were saying you deserve it then there could be some change to it. But having yourself say "i deserve it" really IMO would make me give it even less to that person.

    I will have a proper and more though response tonight when i get home from work

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    apeach
    I love oops

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