Night 2

[FM Ghazan]

Did you mean Phoenix King?

[FM Ming-Hua]

No body even suggested it was Gypsy, or even commented it when I suggested it.
Creating lies that show there are 4 players charged means that less people can visit, suspicion onto the nurse, suspicion onto Electro manic.

No one will listen to the neutral if you blackmail it.
Have any better ideas?

It's not so much about the control as the effect it might have on the town and the implications it might have our overall goal is to create suspicion on town roles while removing suspicion from our own.

I consider the jester blackmail as good because before the blackmail was revealed it created suspicion on Raiden.

After it was revealed it caused Raiden to throw accusations that were completely unfounded. Gerik is the blackmailer.

Regardless of what we do our general conc

[FM Ming-Hua]

...concept should be something that promotes our bottom line whether revealed or not.

[FM Ghazan]

So your plan for the blackmail is what?

[FM Unalaq]

I do nothing and one of us claim roleblocked? I can do that.

[FM Ming-Hua]

I don't have it completed but force the jester to say post a message for us saying something along the lines of

Sorry about Raiden, I cursed him not to say anything because I wanted to stay hidden, but he didn't trust me can't say I blame him, I have cursed the cabbage merchant to vote with Gerik. Throw in some read propaganda for authenticity, and let it go.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Survivor sry, also I thought the wrong person got framer.

[FM Ghazan]

I don't have it completed but force the jester to say post a message for us saying something along the lines of

Sorry about Raiden, I cursed him not to say anything because I wanted to stay hidden, but he didn't trust me can't say I blame him, I have cursed the cabbage merchant to vote with Gerik. Throw in some read propaganda for authenticity, and let it go.

Eh?

[FM Ghazan]

This is getting stupid, why are you toying with neutral?
We need to cause chaos and make the town question what roles we have, who to not visit and visit, and get someone lynched.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Eh?

Your gonna have to elaborate on that I have no idea what it means lol.

If it's a bad idea come out and say so.

[FM Ming-Hua]

This is getting stupid, why are you toying with neutral?
We need to cause chaos and make the town question what roles we have, who to not visit and visit, and get someone lynched.

Okay so it's a bad idea then, I can live with that, but keep in mind that a player can and will probably claim blackmailed the day after or even the day of reversing the misinformation regardless of how rock solid our demands are if it's going to result in a mislynch.

[FM Ming-Hua]

And there's absolutely no way to prevent them making the claim at the very end of the day where it can't hurt anyone.

[FM Ming-Hua]

So any other ideas on blackmails?

[FM Ghazan]

And there's absolutely no way to prevent them making the claim at the very end of the day where it can't hurt anyone.

Apart from themselves and they lose the role abilities. But next day yes it's possible. Could always blackmail the same person.

[FM Ghazan]

Like I said, force them to claim charged.
Then force them to reveal information and get someone lynched.
And Force them to reveal their role secretly to us.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Apart from themselves and they lose the role abilities. But next day yes it's possible. Could always blackmail the same person.

I meant the feedback claim, not the bm claim. I.e. End of day 3 "I was charged". Start of day 4 I was blackmailed.

[FM Ghazan]

And if someone else claims charge who looks like scum, it will protect them and add Drugdealer to possible roles. As well as Nurse hitting the Princess night 1 or Electro manic in game.

[FM Zaheer]

It would be actually interesting to silence Gerik, sicne we are allowed to, since he isnt dead, but cant talk and ppl definetly wont expect that.
Also i dont want to kill him just yet, but he is definetly dangerous, espacially as detective (I suppose his claim is true).
I think we should charge Narks and Zack to decrease their mobility and we get to know this way who Zack visited, without having P´LI to use his tracker ability, also we can be sure that he will visit someone. This way it is possible for him to frame someone.

[FM Ming-Hua]

What about blackmailing Raiden again, forcing him to pick a hard claim. And some other stuff.

[FM Ming-Hua]

It would be actually interesting to silence Gerik, sicne we are allowed to, since he isnt dead, but cant talk and ppl definetly wont expect that.
Also i dont want to kill him just yet, but he is definetly dangerous, espacially as detective (I suppose his claim is true).
I think we should charge Narks and Zack to decrease their mobility and we get to know this way who Zack visited, without having P´LI to use his tracker ability, also we can be sure that he will visit someone. This way it is possible for him to frame someone.

Charges can't kill zack and he won't likely visit anyone that's been charged.

[FM Ghazan]

Letting them claim feedback at the end of the day, just shows it means nothing as people will deduce its blackmail, since it was information they could release at the start.

[FM Ghazan]

It would be actually interesting to silence Gerik, sicne we are allowed to, since he isnt dead, but cant talk and ppl definetly wont expect that.
Also i dont want to kill him just yet, but he is definetly dangerous, espacially as detective (I suppose his claim is true).
I think we should charge Narks and Zack to decrease their mobility and we get to know this way who Zack visited, without having P´LI to use his tracker ability, also we can be sure that he will visit someone. This way it is possible for him to frame someone.

Zack is getting Prepped. Any charge kills wont kill him.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Letting them claim feedback at the end of the day, just shows it means nothing as people will deduce its blackmail, since it was information they could release at the start.

Exactly, but we can't stop them we can't impose time constraints.

[FM Ghazan]

It would be useless to silence Gerik. Because that is all we get, is Silence. Funny perhaps, but we are not exactly going to laugh the Gaang to death are we?

[FM Ghazan]

Exactly, but we can't stop them we can't impose time constraints.

Time is just one simple mesurement.

We can limit when they post by post count/ Lynch Count/ End day post. rarther than end of the day.

Can we use something like this
"You must post "XXX" no more than 10 posts before the last post of the day"
Because the post is not a time.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Time is just one simple mesurement.

We can limit when they post by post count/ Lynch Count/ End day post. rarther than end of the day.

Can we use something like this
"You must post "XXX" no more than 10 posts before the last post of the day"
Because the post is not a time.

Correct, but there's nothing we can do to stop them from spamming at the end.

[FM Ghazan]

Correct, but there's nothing we can do to stop them from spamming at the end.

Yes there is. You just have to word it correctly.

For example.

You must leave 10 posts in-between your own posts.
You must post at least 20 times today.

[FM Ghazan]

Who thinks
Claiming Charged
Claiming X Role to indicated X is Mafia
Claim own role secretly to us.

Would be a good structure for the Blackmail.
Don't worry about loophole, we fix that after we know what we are sending.

[FM Zaheer]

Who thinks
Claiming Charged
Claiming X Role to indicated X is Mafia
Claim own role secretly to us.

Would be a good structure for the Blackmail.
Don't worry about loophole, we fix that after we know what we are sending.

This doesnt seem to bad, if we phrase it correctly. And, i wont prep zack just now, next day is way better, since it woudl amke the guy he visits now supiscious of being maf, instead of our mate who is the only one, that knows his identity so far.

Also i was talking about charging zack not to kill him, but to let him spread the charges on others with his visits, wich will lead into the town needing to decide were to pop the charges or they will become fast unable to visit someone at all without dieng and yes your charges even happen before his visit this night, which means he will at least charge one additinal player, that makes 3 charges for sure for us.

[FM Ghazan]

The charges don't pass from player to player.

[FM Zaheer]

The charges don't pass from player to player.

Oh, okay that was a great misunderstanding from my side then, well forget what i said then.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Yes there is. You just have to word it correctly.

For example.

You must leave 10 posts in-between your own posts.
You must post at least 20 times today.

Pretty sure this isn't valid, but we can ask.

Would this be a valid blackmail?

[FM Ming-Hua]

I don't think that zack being prepped will make him look suspicious. My statement about him being part of the gaang is enough reason to target him, and if I flip they will realize I checked him.

[FM Aiwei]

Pretty sure this isn't valid, but we can ask.

Would this be a valid blackmail?

I dont think the blackmail can have multiple demands.

[FM Ming-Hua]

I dont think the blackmail can have multiple demands.

Our last one did so yes it can.

[FM Zaheer]

I dont think the blackmail can have multiple demands.

It is basically only one demand, but with different restrictions, you demand him to do something and then you tell him how he has to do it.

[FM Ghazan]

You must leave at least 10 post between your own.

You must post at least 20 times today.

Fixed.

[FM Ming-Hua]

What if we blackmailed Raiden again with the perfectly concrete demand post only a single post today, that post must be and then give him exact words we wanted him to say.

[FM Ghazan]

Its just the way you post it, I will work on it tonight, no comp for the next 3 hour

Once I've wrote it, its your job to try to find loopholes

[FM Ming-Hua]

[Q UOTE=FM Ghazan;469607]You must leave at least 10 post between your own.

You must post at least 20 times today.

Fixed.[/QUOTE]
Still don't think it's valid plz ask in green I'm on my phone and can't do colors.

[FM Ghazan]

A single post will be seen as blackmail.

[FM Ghazan]

Once I've wrote it, i will green it to the hosts.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Would a blackmail like this be allowed?

You must post at least 20 times today.

You must post in such a way that all of your posts have at least 20 posts between them and each of your other posts.

[FM P'Li]

I'm against charging again tonight we need to kill someone because nearly all of us are suspected as scum at some point

What are you going to do with that gun phoenix king?

[FM Ghazan]

[QUOTE=FM P'Li;469618]I'm against charging again tonight we need to kill someone because nearly all of us are suspected as scum at some point

So, half of us are suspected.
And your suggestion is to narrow down the player list?
It would be wiser to charge, leave more space for others to be suspected.
Charging will kill people at somepoint.

Don't forget Combustion Man will get us some kills, and the Vigilante will shoot one of the suspicious people tonight.

[FM P'Li]

[QUOTE=FM Ghazan;469619]

I'm against charging again tonight we need to kill someone because nearly all of us are suspected as scum at some point

So, half of us are suspected.
And your suggestion is to narrow down the player list?
It would be wiser to charge, leave more space for others to be suspected.
Charging will kill people at somepoint.

Don't forget Combustion Man will get us some kills, and the Vigilante will shoot one of the suspicious people tonight.

I doubt it will kill people before at least one or two of us gets killed

we need to shut the better players up

[FM Ghazan]

[QUOTE=FM P'Li;469620]

I doubt it will kill people before at least one or two of us gets killed

we need to shut the better players up

The better players will be targeted by town power roles. The Mass Murder will do that killing then we can move onto them, trying to attack the ones who are most likely to be protected at this stage is suicide. In the meantime we should charge up our killing abilities. As it will pay off in the long run.

Its better to incapacitate them and then cut off their heads

Rather than suggest the idea is bad. Why not post a better one, remember you have to include a worthy blackmail post inside it.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Killing people off makes it harder to get a lynch off, but I think we should keep targeting 2 people to keep the frame possibilities up. We could kill one and charge a new one tonight? Too be perfectly honest killing charged players doesn't really narrow the suspect list much, they are semi cleared anyways.

[FM Ghazan]

The people charged can easily of been The Phoenix king the way they are posting right now.
It will be day 3, One person's death will barley damage their ability to lynch. And killing a charged player right now is just a waste of the potential.

[FM Ming-Hua]

That's a good point. I can accept that.