S-FM 136: Sherlock Holmes

[powerofdeath]

Also amnesiac have one auto vest and MM cannot die, so Nick have to be a doctor.

[42shadow42]

That's great! Nopro's confirmation will confirm 2 detectives!

[Fatalis]

Nick is doctor

Role list will look something like this imo

MM
MM

Amn
Amn
Amn

Det
Det
Doc
Cor
Doc/Cor
Cit
Cit
Cit

[louiswill]

Disagree on the slaol's case.
B/c day 1 hammer is a good strategy for amnesiac, regardless ika's alignment.
He is still the most fit amnesiac for now.



Upgraded, ignored unconfirmed feedback
Possible role List, Assuming Wifom is useless for claimed town:

MM1 ika/Louiswill/Citrus
MM2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro

Det SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Coroner 42shadow42/Orpz
Doc Vantas
Doc Nick
EngCit Fatalis
EngCit Pod
EngCit ika/Louiswill/Citrus

Amn 1 Slaol(Jester)
Amn 2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Amn 3 ika/Louiswill/Citrus

[louiswill]

oops, I suppose to cross out nick not vantas.. meh.

[louiswill]

MM1 ika/Vantas/Louiswill/Citrus
MM2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro

Det SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Coroner 42shadow42/Orpz
Doc Nick
Doc/Tpr Vantas
EngCit Fatalis
EngCit Pod
EngCit ika/Louiswill/Citrus

Amn 1 Slaol(Jester)
Amn 2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Amn 3 ika/Vantas/Louiswill/Citrus

Meh possible claim slots increased for me and citrus.

-unvote

[42shadow42]

Thinking about strategy. I'm almost think it would be beneficial to lynch a jester if there is one today to confirm IKA's alignment. With no possible information to receive I would assume the doc to be correct, but I could also see a solid case for both amnesiac and mass murderer as well. I for one am willing to lynch a claimed jester today solely for the confirmation of 3 players. (Jester, Ika, Jester Death).

[louiswill]

Agreed,
even if it was a jester, it would worth the lynch, as long as we have coroner.
+2 42shadow42

But I'd hope it is not slaol.
I'd rather find someone between claimates to reduce the possible drama involved.
And it is more likely to catch a mm too.

[Fatalis]

Agreed,
even if it was a jester, it would worth the lynch, as long as we have coroner.
+2 42shadow42

But I'd hope it is not slaol.
I'd rather find someone between claimates to reduce the possible drama involved.
And it is more likely to catch a mm too.

bad idea
-we lose 1 town
-we can't know jester/notjester until tomorrow
-we really don't need ika's alignment that badly

[Fatalis]

bad idea
-we lose 1 town
-we can't know jester/notjester until tomorrow
-we really don't need ika's alignment that badly

does the death descriptions even differentiate kills/jester suicides?

[louiswill]

MM1 ika/Vantas/Louiswill/Citrus
MM2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro

8town

Doc/Det Vantas/SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Det Banshis+1
Coroner 42shadow42+2
Coroner Orpz+2
Doc Nick
EngCit Fatalis
EngCit Pod
EngCit ika/Louiswill/Citrus

Amn 1 Slaol(Jester)
Amn 2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Amn 3 ika/Vantas/Louiswill/Citrus

[louiswill]

g2g later.

[Fatalis]

MM1 ika/Vantas/Louiswill/Citrus
MM2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro

8town

Doc/Det Vantas/SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Det Banshis+1
Coroner 42shadow42+2
Coroner Orpz+2
Doc Nick
EngCit Fatalis
EngCit Pod
EngCit ika/Louiswill/Citrus

Amn 1 Slaol(Jester)
Amn 2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Amn 3 ika/Vantas/Louiswill/Citrus

slip

you mentioned before that you could be tpr
now the only town slot you let yourself be is cit
and if you are cit, you should know that it is very unlikely for citrus to be another cit, given the amount of tpr claims

-vote louiswill

[louiswill]

bad idea
-we lose 1 town
-we can't know jester/notjester until tomorrow
-we really don't need ika's alignment that badly

Just notice this.
Well, you get it wrong.

I'm not aming to lynch a jester, but rather aim to lynch a person out of the most probable group,
If the person happen to be a jester,
we at least can learn about ika's alignment.

You are talking about we lynch a known most-likely jester, such as slaol.

The two ideas are different.

[louiswill]

I never mentioned nor deny I would be Tpr, your problem not mine.

You find I slipped by assuming I'm scum. It is just bad.

I voted citrus earlier, but I'm calculating what would he claim.

This related to my strategy, I think it is obvious.

If there are open ground for Citrus to claim, then vote him isn't wise.

So depend on detective claims, it will be more clear soon or later.

[powerofdeath]

weee pressure

-vote Louiswill

I have my own reasons

[42shadow42]

CHOO CHOO

-vote Louiswill

[Citrus]

Only one death? Ika confirmed MM.

Elaborate please

[Citrus]

Next I would like to announce I was not visited by a mass murderer last night, I chose to stay at home.

I can confirm this, though all it means is you are not an Energetic Citizen

[Citrus]

oh shit
solid reasoning here

Someone's defensive

[Citrus]

I can confirm this, though all it means is you are not an Energetic Citizen

If it isn't obvious enough, I claim detective with those results.

-vote Orpz

Coroner doesn't reveal role/alignment. Orpz should have known that if he were actually Coroner

[42shadow42]

If it isn't obvious enough, I claim detective with those results.

-vote Orpz

Coroner doesn't reveal role/alignment. Orpz should have known that if he were actually Coroner

Curious while you are here did it say I visited myself or that I didn't visit anyone. I honestly don't know I just chose not to visit seeing as how I couldn't learn anything.

[42shadow42]

SpiritFryer could you please provide your results?

[powerofdeath]

people need to learn to read...

@citrus
@louiswill
@everyone

[powerofdeath]

That's great! Nopro's confirmation will confirm 2 detectives!

Not true.

A) Banshis could be lying and Nopro isn't detective so he also lies to protect potential scum.

B) Banshis could be telling the truth, however Nopro isn't a detective and knows Banshis visited him and could easily claim Banshis visited him

C) Banshis is extremely lucky with his result.

[42shadow42]

Not true.

A) Banshis could be lying and Nopro isn't detective so he also lies to protect potential scum.

B) Banshis could be telling the truth, however Nopro isn't a detective and knows Banshis visited him and could easily claim Banshis visited him

C) Banshis is extremely lucky with his result.

I hate that you said this, but I agree.

[Citrus]

Curious while you are here did it say I visited myself or that I didn't visit anyone. I honestly don't know I just chose not to visit seeing as how I couldn't learn anything.

You didn't visit anyone at all. Though for MM mechanics I'd assume it counts as a self-visit just like in the sc2mafia mod

[Citrus]

people need to learn to read...

@citrus
@louiswill
@everyone

Sorry? Did I not read something?

[42shadow42]

You didn't visit anyone at all. Though for MM mechanics I'd assume it counts as a self-visit just like in the sc2mafia mod

Isn't that irrelevant here because you'd be dead?

[powerofdeath]

Sorry? Did I not read something?

shadow claimed coroner

[Orpz]

If it isn't obvious enough, I claim detective with those results.

-vote Orpz

Coroner doesn't reveal role/alignment. Orpz should have known that if he were actually Coroner

What? When did I reveal myself to not have known that? I've always known that.

Your deflection tactics.....will work here, because I want to know your response.

[Orpz]

I'm not even mad that Shadow claimed Coroner. I can see 2 Coroners in this setup.

[nopro]

I confirm Banshis as detective: I've tracked him and he visited me. I am not confirmed yet because banshis said first that he visited me.

[Citrus]

Isn't that irrelevant here because you'd be dead?

For last night yes, I was speaking in general

shadow claimed coroner

I know?

[Citrus]

What? When did I reveal myself to not have known that? I've always known that.

Your deflection tactics.....will work here, because I want to know your response.

I asked you to elaborate on something first :P

[Orpz]

I asked you to elaborate on something first :P

I expected at least 2-3 deaths if Ika was Town, because that would mean 2 MM's are alive.
There was only 1 death, therefore Ika is confirmed MM.
I use confirmed in the worst way possible, the way in which it means, "likely" rather than "certain".

Of course, this was before I learned Amnesiacs get an auto-vest. In the name of balance, I assumed otherwise.

[powerofdeath]

I expected at least 2-3 deaths if Ika was Town, because that would mean 2 MM's are alive.
There was only 1 death, therefore Ika is confirmed MM.
I use confirmed in the worst way possible, the way in which it means, "likely" rather than "certain".

Of course, this was before I learned Amnesiacs get an auto-vest. In the name of balance, I assumed otherwise.

Have you ever played MM? Can easily either get 0 or 1 kill, and one day they get lucky and have like 3+ kills. I wouldnt be surprised if we have 0 death last night.

[powerofdeath]

Do amnesiac know if they lose a vest?

[42shadow42]

I consider Louiswill confirmed non-town at this point. If my analysis is correct it will be beneficial to lynch him today.

[powerofdeath]

SLAOL! Claim bro!

[Slaolamander]

Hold on. Just got home. I am excited to check this role card.

[powerofdeath]

Hold on. Just got home. I am excited to check this role card.

You mean you didnt take an action last night?!

[Slaolamander]

You mean you didnt take an action last night?!

I did not do a thing other than hammer Ika so far.

[Slaolamander]

Did someone say I did a thing? I have yet to do a thing.

[powerofdeath]

I did not do a thing other than hammer Ika so far.

So you couldve been a MM and didnt kill last night? I doubt it.

[Orpz]

Have you ever played MM? Can easily either get 0 or 1 kill, and one day they get lucky and have like 3+ kills. I wouldnt be surprised if we have 0 death last night.

Unprobable. Even random guessing on night 1 gets at least 1 kill most of the time.

[Orpz]

My internet is literally chocking on horsedicks. Close to ragequittng. Time Warner Cable is the hugest piece of shit.

[Slaolamander]

I can tell you I may or may not be a Mass Murderer, seeing as 'is Mass Murderer' and 'is not Mass Murderer' are effectively the only options I have. Although I claim Mass Murderer when I am Mass Murderer.

[Slaolamander]

Unprobable. Even random guessing on night 1 gets at least 1 kill most of the time.

I have to support PoD's suggestion that you may not have played MM. Most MM's know to claim MM. It's a proven 100% strategy.

[powerofdeath]

Unprobable. Even random guessing on night 1 gets at least 1 kill most of the time.

5 out of 13 people are immune.

Not everyone will be visited.

Doctor heals.

I find it very probable.