Jester Goal Change

[louiswill]

Change current jester goal as:
Be lynched on a condition Everyone must vote or Be lynched and Abstainers must lose/die

For short: Jester wins when jester is lynched and all possible abstainers lose.


All abstainers on jester lynched trial must either die or lose the game at the end.
If no abstainer, then jester wins too.


People are asking for a harder jester,
That will do it.

Strategy-Wise:
If a jester get one guilty vote while majoriy abstains, the jester will get in trouble of winning because it is impossible to have everyone lose.
The proper strategy will be getting ride of some inactive voters and get lynched in the half way in the game, make a proper defense and put its bet on that the loser side will abstain
OR
simply make sure everyone will vote.

[Damus_Graves]

This isn't an appropriate change and will bring in more negativity instead of positive outlook.

[louiswill]

*posted con in the OP*

This isn't an appropriate change and will bring in more negativity instead of positive outlook.

I rather think this change will motivate new jester players to stay alive longer in the game and actively hunt abstainers.
A game with jester will become less scummy and more active.
Why would it be negative? though it does make jester a lot harder because of analysis skill is required to win.

[louiswill]

Posted strategy of why this goal will make a more active and fun game.

[Cryptonic]

No, because a Jester can no longer influence the game after he dies. It's unfair that he has to rely completely on other people just to win. His win condition is base solely on luck.. What if someone from all factions abstain, then he has to have nobody win situation occur just to win?

[louiswill]

No, because a Jester can no longer influence the game after he dies. It's unfair that he has to rely completely on other people just to win. His win condition is base solely on luck.. What if someone from all factions abstain, then he has to have nobody win situation occur just to win?

Jester still has to be lynched to trigger the win. If everyone abstain then that trial doesn't count.


It is also not solely depend on luck. Ensure a predictable game flow is the challenge to jester. If jester feel he can not win while dead, he can leave any time because he is not bound to any faction.
The jester under this win condition must be able to judge who will and who will not vote him depends on what defense he will use.

Say, if it is at a game point, and jester pretend mafia got lynched by town while mafia abstain, then the jester will lose.
But if jester pretend town then get lynched by mafia, yet town lose majority because of this critical lynch, then jester will win for almost certain.

If any jester goes yolo and get lynched by a random vote while majority voters abstain, then the jester is guaranteed lose upon this new win condition.

The skills are more important, and opportunity to win is scarce.

Maybe I shall make a SFM setup to test this.

[Account]

Solution:

Ignore this suggestion.

New suggestion:

Allow Jester to choose which guilty voter he kills.

Boom, everyone's happy.

[ManlyMann]

Solution:

Ignore this suggestion.

New suggestion:

Allow Jester to choose which guilty voter he kills.

Boom, everyone's happy.

+1
That's one of the best things about Town of Salem

[AppleyNO]

Solution:

Ignore this suggestion.

New suggestion:

Allow Jester to choose which guilty voter he kills.

Boom, everyone's happy.

This would be cool and has been suggested before. I don't remember why we haven't done that yet.

Anyway, this suggestion by Louiswill makes the Jester unfun to play. This won't be added. Sorry Louis T.T