S-FM 129: Crisis!

[Nick]

Union Leader should reveal so that Mayor won't mistakenly lynch Union Leader. No use hiding since Investor can fire everyone except you.

[Nick]

If I'm employed now but fired tonight, will I die of hunger tonight?

[louiswill]

If I'm employed now but fired tonight, will I die of hunger tonight?

No. IF a player is employed currently(They will notice a +employee attaching on their role card), the scenario will be like this:

1. Night 1 Investor choose to fire the player.
2. Dawn of Day 2 the player will be notified unemployment through feedback.
3. Night 2 the player is in danger of miserable death from hunger and cold. If no actions, then...
4. Dawn of Day 3 the player will be appeared dead like the girl who sells matches.

[Helz]

Lets make a sheriff god mayor if the sheriff dies!

[RLVG]

Union Leader should reveal so that Mayor won't mistakenly lynch Union Leader. No use hiding since Investor can fire everyone except you.

I've been thinking on this one even though it's too late so my brain is a slush.
At the start of the game, there's no danger of me claiming.

Union here. Need the Monopoly dead only.

[Orpz]

I've been thinking on this one even though it's too late so my brain is a slush.
At the start of the game, there's no danger of me claiming.

Union here. Need the Monopoly dead only.

So Greens can win with you? Alright

-vote Dagaen

If my Sheriff dies, can I appoint a new one?

[Nick]

So Greens can win with you? Alright

-vote Dagaen

If my Sheriff dies, can I appoint a new one?

As long as you lynch Investor first. And no Citizens become Mobs. If not, Union Leader will solo win.

[Nick]

No senseless lynching please. We can win this with only Investor and Monopoly dead. Everyone else wins.

[Nick]

@RVLG
Who else employed? Employed cannot be Monopoly, Investor. Shorten the list for Sheriff (assuming that Sheriff is not mafia)
You should rally the unemployed Citizens to be Communist. Not my job.

[Nick]

Depend on the player. They may betray you, or they may be your allies.

You sure? Mayor can only win if all reds are dead.

[Dagaen]

Oh! Monopoly and Investor have conflicting goals and can NEVER win together. Worse, they NEED each other dead to win. Mafia night chat is a noob trap. Don't use it.

I'm stull unsure about this setup, but I'm pretty sure helping Mafs is a bad thing?

Being fired = killed?

[Dagaen]

Hmm, apparently no.

So being hired is a good thing or bad? I mean Mafia can hire people, so probably the latter, but if Citizen gets fired this means his potential death...

Oh and since Citizens can become whatever wouldn't it make sense for everyone to become the same thing?

[Dagaen]

Orpz, don't expect me to defend myself, right now I don't even know who I really am

[Nick]

Possible roles:
Monopoly
Investor
Mayor
SheriffMayor (promoted +Sheriff if Mayor is dead)
Citizen
Union Leader
Communist (from Citizen's choice, or recruited Anarchist)
Anarchist (from Citizen's choice)
Mob (from Citizen's choice, or promoted Anarchist if Monopoly is dead)

Modifiers:
+Employee
+Sheriff

[Orpz]

Orpz, don't expect me to defend myself, right now I don't even know who I really am

r u Monopoly? r u Investor?

[Nick]

r u Monopoly? r u Investor?

I think Monopoly and Investor are not your enemies... only Mobs..

[Nick]

If you kill Monopoly then all Anarchist will become Mobs. You don't like Mobs.

[louiswill]

So Greens can win with you? Alright

-vote Dagaen

If my Sheriff dies, can I appoint a new one?

You can appoint a NEW sheriff at any time at any condition at any phrase.
However, I hope you only appoint once per phrase because I have to send new role card and setup new Mayor Channel.
The new sheriff can only start to use sheriffscan at NEXT night phrase.
There can only be ONE sheriff at any give time.

You sure? Mayor can only win if all reds are dead.

I can't give you a public answer on the Win Maze, which is a major part of the game.
However, I can answer you in PM, if you need.

Goals for Mayor:
Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players
Kill all Mobs,
Survive
Finish the game in 8 days

Mayor will win when all above goals are satisfied and game ends.

I'm stull unsure about this setup, but I'm pretty sure helping Mafs is a bad thing?

Meta topic is for players to discuss. The world is often not black and white, but ideology will guide everyone's path.

Being fired = killed?

No. Fired really means "Framed", because Citizens with no job are less likely to remain its citizen alignment.
Fired/unemployed citizens are jobless and can not survive the coming night.
People need to survive somehow in an economically fucked world, but usually not a citizen.
There are only 3 employees currently.

[Orpz]

I think I'm beginning to understand

ok guys if ur a citizen in ur role card it says
"
N1. Become Mob
N2. Become Communist
N3. Become Anachylist"

this doesnt mean u become Mob n1, then Communist n2, then Anachylist n3
the N just means it's a night ability, and the numbers r just numbering.

so any night u have a choice of being 1 of those 3.

Don't be a mob. Thanks.

[Dagaen]

I think Monopoly and Investor are not your enemies... only Mobs..

Wait, this doesn't seem right.

Mayor: Goal: Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players

If I read this corretly we have to kill both Investor and Monopoly and Mob can win with us! Unless I'm completely misunderstood it.

[Citrus]

I think I'm beginning to understand

ok guys if ur a citizen in ur role card it says
"
N1. Become Mob
N2. Become Communist
N3. Become Anachylist"

this doesnt mean u become Mob n1, then Communist n2, then Anachylist n3
the N just means it's a night ability, and the numbers r just numbering.

so any night u have a choice of being 1 of those 3.

Don't be a mob. Thanks.

Or is it on those specific nights you have the choice to become thus?

[Nick]

For Investor to win, need to fire Union Leader and Sheriff too?

[Dagaen]

So: Citizens can win basically with everyone, except Monopoly?

[Nick]

I can't give you a public answer on the Win Maze, which is a major part of the game.

How can we play the game if we don't know the win conditions for all factions?

[Dagaen]

What does it mean to skip job?

C'mon Nick, haven't you ever play sc2mafia with bunch of newbies in a troll setup? It's like that!

[louiswill]

Wait, this doesn't seem right.

Mayor: Goal: Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players

If I read this corretly we have to kill both Investor and Monopoly and Mob can win with us! Unless I'm completely misunderstood it.

That is the PART of the goal for mayor. Satisfy only this part is not enough.
For example, when the game start, this condition actually meet already.
8 citizens, 1mayor 2mafia 1UnionLeader, that is
8+1>2+1
9>3

The game won't end until everyone alive meets their goals.

For Investor to win, need to fire Union Leader and Sheriff too?

Sheriff is not considered employeed because sheriff is nonprofit volunteer.

How can we play the game if we don't know the win conditions for all factions?

You can't. That's why ask me in PM or discuss with other players.

What does it mean to skip job?
C'mon Nick, haven't you ever play sc2mafia with bunch of newbies in a troll setup? It's like that!

A random employee may receive an assignment from monopoly(IT IS A DAY ACTION)
The assignment will be sent to employee through PM once the assignment is given.
Jobskip allow the employee to disobey the Monopoly(Boss).
For example:
Monopoly: You worthless dog go Guard the Mayor!
Employee A: No just NO.
If at night the mayor is attacked, the mayor may die.

Everyone is so Pro today, I hope this setup to bring everyone all the good old days when you first time play mafia.

Dumb and exciting.

Are Mobs allowed to win independently of Anarchist?
I see that only Anarchist can win independently of Mobs in the examples.

Mob can win without Anarchist.
For example, Mob can with by getting a job from monopoly, then win with mafia
Or
Simply chop off everyone else.

[Nick]

Are Mobs allowed to win independently of Anarchist?

I see that only Anarchist can win independently of Mobs in the examples.

[Nick]

For Investor to win, need to fire Union Leader and Sheriff too?

[Nick]

C'mon Nick, haven't you ever play sc2mafia with bunch of newbies in a troll setup? It's like that!

It's like having a rolelist that misinforms newbie Survivors that they can only win with Town, or worse misinforms newbie SKs that they can win with Town.

[Nick]

However, I can answer you in PM, if you need.

Even if you answer me in PM I'll be discussing with everyone else...

[Dagaen]

Now the questions is...can we somehow win all together?

Monopoly just needs to survive.
Investor needs to fire everyone, but if I understand it correctly, being fired != being dead.
Mayor/Sheriff/Citizen has to kill all Mobs, bu we don't have any Mobs.
Union Leader has to kill Monopoly.
Communist: Kill monopoly, Investor, Anachylist and mob
Anachylist: Kill Mayor and Commies
Mob: Basically kill everyone

Ok, so here's my plan.

All Citizens remain Citizens (is that possible?).


That way we have only Union Leader vs Monopoly problem. But since Union Leader wins with Commies and Commies will make this game confusing, perhaps it's better to kill UL now to prevent this?

Inventor will fire everyone and we can all win since almost all roles have citizen > rest of the players!

[Orpz]

Citizens can't remain Citizens or they die

Dagaen confirmed noncitizen

[Orpz]

alright all citizens become Communists plz

[Orpz]

I'll have my sheriff check out Dagaen if he isn't lynched by then

[Dagaen]

Citizens can't remain Citizens or they die

Dagaen confirmed noncitizen

Citizen:

Goal:
Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players
Kill all Mobs
Survive

N1. Become Mob
N2. Become Communist
N3. Become Anachylist
4. (Passive) Auto Die (if not hired, no action taken and no mayor visit)

Citizen needs to be hired, but if I read this correctly Citizen/Employee is still Citizen.

[Dagaen]

I'll have my sheriff check out Dagaen if he isn't lynched by then

Fine with me, lol.

[Dagaen]

Are Citizens forced to become something else?

[louiswill]

Other answers see #76

Even if you answer me in PM I'll be discussing with everyone else...

It is no problem. Conduct rules says "do not quote my PM."
It is a legit strategy to claim a wrong information from designer to swing the game flow.
For example, Claiming bus will always change information bitch slaps noob investors.
A lot of wrongful understanding in Sc2mafia is actually intentionally spreaded by Pros.

Are Citizens forced to become something else?

Lets say, citizens are under pressure of making a choice.

Though I do not sue those who choose to die, but really it is soft game-throw if you are a citizen but choose to die.

[Nick]

Update 1.01: Changed faction colors to reflect win conditions

Possible roles:
Monopoly
Investor
Mayor
SheriffMayor (promoted +Sheriff if Mayor is dead)
Citizen
Union Leader
Communist (from Citizen's choice, or recruited Anarchist)
Anarchist (from Citizen's choice)
Mob (from Citizen's choice, or promoted Anarchist if Monopoly is dead)

Modifiers:
+Employee
+Sheriff

[Nick]

For Investor to win, need to fire Union Leader? You missed my question.

[Dagaen]

Wait, I stil don't get it.

Citizens have to be hired to live, right? But what if they are hired, but don't want to choose to be Commie/Mob/etc? Can we end the game with Citizens remain Citizens?

[louiswill]

For Investor to win, need to fire Union Leader? You missed my question.

Yes. The investor has to fire union leader.

Citizens have to be hired to live, right? But what if they are hired, but don't want to choose to be Commie/Mob/etc? Can we end the game with Citizens remain Citizens?

The mayor has an ability to save one citizen from dying, so not everyone has to stay hired.
As long as a citizen is hired, the citizen can 'safely' remain citizen.
Of course you can end game with citizens remain citizens but it isn't easy to achieve.
Especially when lurking players are in the game.

[Nick]

Update 1.01: Changed faction colors to reflect win conditions
Update 1.10: Added starting role list

Spoiler : Possible roles and modifiers :

Possible roles:
Monopoly
Investor
Mayor
SheriffMayor (promoted +Sheriff if Mayor is dead)
Citizen
Union Leader
Communist (from Citizen's choice, or recruited Anarchist)
Anarchist (from Citizen's choice)
Mob (from Citizen's choice, or promoted Anarchist if Monopoly is dead)

Modifiers:
+Employee
+Sheriff

Spoiler : Starting role list :

Monopoly
Investor
Mayor
Citizen+Employee
Citizen+Employee
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Union Leader+Employee

Total 11 players.

[Nick]

I suppose additional one Citizen was added after Frog joined?

[louiswill]

I suppose additional one Citizen was added after Frog joined?

I sent out couple invitation during Temp Close post #20.

Frog joint the game during the Temp Close by Pm, so I was able to reroll the list with him included.
On the other hand, Necrothread didn't get in the game because he signed in too late(I already rerolled the list).
(What a pity, he might be a perfect anachylist...who knows...)
It is a nice guess. Because most of people is getting citizen card anyway, you might be right.

[Dagaen]

Ok, so half of Citizens (employed ones) can remain Citizens which is probably the safest choice for us. Rest should go Commie, since frankly, I don't see any benefit in being Mob.

[ika]

louis if you just pm nick its unfair, it was asked publicly so you need to publicly answer it otherwise you are being bastardized host.

[Nick]

Frog joint the game during the Temp Close by Pm, so I was able to reroll the list with him included.

Erm... you cannot rerole the list with him included because there are only 10 roles in the Setup Approval thread.

It is a nice guess. Because most of people is getting citizen card anyway, you might be right.

I just want to know what role you added to make it a total of 11 roles. I'm not interested in Frog's role.

[louiswill]

louis if you just pm nick its unfair, it was asked publicly so you need to publicly answer it otherwise you are being bastardized host.

You misunderstand. I didn't PM Nick. I was saying Nick can pm me with a more precised question.

Nick understand better is only because he is trying harder. So far Nick hasn't asked me much privately.

Some question are avoided because they are too large.
In private pm, I can explain according to questioner's current role and confusions.
Do not worry, I will be fair. Criticize me after game. Everyone can pm me and ask questions.
I will be as active as I can, especially day 1.

[louiswill]

Erm... you cannot rerole the list with him included because there are only 10 roles in the Setup Approval thread.



I just want to know what role you added to make it a total of 11 roles. I'm not interested in Frog's role.

I did it before game officially start.
Sorry, I won't do it next time if you feel unconfortable. I promise you that it won't be an impact on balance.
Because I only add citizens. All other roles are unique.

I will post role list in Post #21