[Legal Discussion 3] Witch gamethrow

[louiswill]

Define:
Witch game throws: when witch intentionally sided with town and helped town wins.

My logic is this:


If you accidentally behave against your goal once or twice, it is not sufficient to say you are game throwing.
If you intentionally behave against your goal once or twice, it is still not sufficient to say you are game throwing.
If you intentionally behave against your goal whole game, it is stronger suspicions that you are game throwing.
If you intentionally behave against your goal whole game, lost your game and let major opponent survive, you are guilty of game throwing.

For witch, I argue that town has to win in order to necessarily say that witch is indeed game throwing.

"Town win" is not a final line but a must condition for witch gamethrowing guilt.

You don't just draw a line and say that witch can/can not gamethrowing because they can or can not be over the line.

All 5 Conditions meet to confirm gamethrowing.

1. (intentionally Avoid to harass Town)

Witch did not manipulate any confirmed town investigative role.
Or Witch did not manipulate any confirmed town protective role.


2. (intentionally Messup evil KPN)
most of time,
Witch use night ability reduced evil KPN to less than 1, when town has 3 members or more.
Or
Witch manipulated major evil faction's killing role (aka cultist/mafia/triad) to target someone who is not killable.



3. (intentionally Give information to help town)

when town is still out numbered majority, Without being FoSed upon, by its own lead, Witch lynched an evil role by claiming witch
Or
When town is still out numbered majority, Witch leaked their night action when such information directly helping scum hunt.
Or
Witch intentionally killed confirmed evil roles.


4. Witch actually lost from being lynched by Town Voting Or Killed by Vigilante.

5. Town actually wins.

[louiswill]

None reply means either the dilemma is unbeatable or trash talking.

[Xentios]

Well a witch wants to win alone and not gamethrow is the hard part here.

[louiswill]

Well a witch wants to win alone and not gamethrow is the hard part here.

4. Witch actually lost from being lynched by Town Voting Or Killed by Vigilante.

5. Town actually wins.

easy solve.

[arielb]

every thing is a gamethrow? that takes out the fun.
if a witch wants to help town then so be it. she has no parties with her.

gamethrow is eligible only for cult, maf/triad and town.
the rest of the neutrals can do whatever they want.

[Gyver]

Witch deciding to help town win effectively subtracts a neut evil and adds a town power to the role list, destroying the balance of a save.

[louiswill]

every thing is a gamethrow? that takes out the fun.
if a witch wants to help town then so be it. she has no parties with her.

gamethrow is eligible only for cult, maf/triad and town.
the rest of the neutrals can do whatever they want.

What do you mean everything is a gamethrow?

[arielb]

What do you mean everything is a gamethrow?

Ur posts, survivor and amne gamethrow? Or you are just joking

[louiswill]

Ur posts, survivor and amne gamethrow? Or you are just joking

No joke. Everything can gamethrow. What do you mean "is"?

[ika]

game throwing is defined as playing against your win condition

so hypothetically every role could gamethrow, we are discussing what must be done for it to be considered that.