FM XIX afterparty

[FM Ferengi]

Survivors
FM Ajantis
FM Cernd
FM Khalid
FM Kivan
FM Korgan
FM Nalia
FM Xzar
FM Yeslick

The Deceased
FM Edwin the Cleric - beaten to death by enraged adventurers
FM Skie the Enchanter - killed by a trap
FM Eldoth the Explorer - killed by a trap
FM Viconia the Explorer - burnt to a crisp by enraged adventurers
FM Minsc the Herald - died by magic
FM Mazzy the Assassin - died by weapons
FM Quayle the Illusionist - died by magic
FM Safana the ??? - died by weapons
FM Sarevok the Arcane Trickster - died by magic
FM Anomen the Explorer - beheaded by enraged adventurers
FM Imoen the Diviner - killed by a trap.
FM Alora the Harper Guardian - struck down by Bhaal's wrath.
FM Shar-Teel the Quartermaster - hanged by enraged adventurers.
FM Jaheira the Explorer - stoned by enraged adventurers
FM Branwen the Avenger - died by weapons
FM Keldorn the Bard - killed by a trap
FM Jan the Doppelganger - drowned by enraged adventurers
FM Aerie the Ranger - died by weapons
FM Dynaheir the Grave Robber - died by magic
FM Xan the Evoker - died by weapons and magic
FM Valygar the Prophet - hunted and murdered by enraged adventurers
FM Yoshimo the Explorer - impaled by enraged adventurers
FM Faldorn the Explorer - died by magic
FM Garrick the Explorer - died by magic
FM Haer-Dalis the Explorer - dead by magic
FM Coran the Antagonist - lynched by enraged adventurers
FM Kagain the Harper Alchemist - died by magic
FM Montaron the Necromancer - died by magic

The Adventurers, Harpers, Antagonist, Avenger and Bounty Hunter have won!

Spoiler : Players & Roles :

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Spoiler : Night Actions :

# = Curse @ = Fireball

First off, this is not an epilogue. Epilogues include RP, this thread is solely meant to discuss the game. An afterparty if you will.

Our observations:
- The Adventurers made many, many mistakes and killed more fellow townies than any of the scum did. I was personally very surprised by that day 1 lynch. The chance of getting a good lynch was about 4 in 36 (with prophet and bhaalspawn being immune). I honestly believe shouldn't have won like this, but circumstances made it easy for them.
- The Harpers had a rough start with Alora's poor play, followed by her disappearance. On night 4 we had to modkill either Tiax or Alora. Tiax was being converted that night. We didn't want to hurt the cult even more, and in our opinion the Harpers would be better off with Alora out of the way as well. Their situation did indeed improve significantly as a result.
- The Cult started off being very deceptive and looked like they were gaining the upper hand early on. The prophet recruited some great players. But then they ran into some bad luck, and adjustments to the prophet's recruitment strategies turned out for the worse. They ended up in a position where they couldn't recover.
- The Bhaalspawn and the thief tried to side with the town, tipping the balance in the town's favour. Ultimately none of them won, because the town didn't need them. Granted, Aerie didn't leave Montaron much of a choice.
- The most disruptive neutrals who didn't care to buddy up with the town (Branwen and Nalia) were the most successful. This should be a lesson that it might not always be the best idea to attempt appeasement politics.
- The puzzle mechanic was interesting to experiment with, but unlike MFM 6 the impact on the game was too dramatic here. It was a lot of fun to watch people make an effort to solve the riddles we came up with, yet at the same time it distracted them from the main game quite a lot. Actual scum hunting was minimal while people were instead spending most of their attention on whose clues they thought were correct or false (based on entirely wrong assumptions).
- Night chats for everyone and the ability to "lynch" people with the puzzles at night caused too big a shift in the normal flow of the Forum Mafia game and was rather taxing to many players - as well as the hosts - because there were virtually no intermissions. It became incredibly time consuming to keep up with what was going on. It also made balancing the game that much harder.
- The special/unique roles played out quite well and definitely did make the game more interesting, even if they didn't all have the expected impact.
- Setup gimmicks can be fun in moderation. Sometimes less is more.
- Both hosts made quite a few mistakes handling player actions. We'd set up a quite extensive set of tables to register everything that was going on. What we failed to do was take a proper systematic approach to fill in the data, perform double checks and handle day/night transitions. If we had, there would've been less oversights.
- Both hosts had difficulties finding enough time to devote to our hosting tasks throughout the latter half of the game. Furthermore, scheduling the transitions so that both of us could be present became problematic (early evenings Western US vs late at night in central Europe)
- On the positive side, congratulations to everyone for being part of the most active FM ever hosted on SC2 Mafia! Even excluding the puzzle chats, no other FM had so many posts in the day chats. Other than a few players who didn't show up early in the game, there weren't any lurking problems.

We hope you enjoyed the game, despite its flaws (which we have learned from). Feel free to give us additional feedback and talk about the game at your leisure!

The missing roleplay will be updated in the coming days, including the full story behind Bishop's woes and the old Cult of Bhaal from the graveyard puzzle.

Awards will be given out at a later time.

You can vote for the player's choice award using the [ vote ] tags!

[FM Montaron]

Meh!

I called it.

[FM Montaron]

Also, I want my last will in there.

[FM Montaron]

Oh and whoever killed me is kind of a jerk for not giving Khalid his well deserved win.

[FM Viconia]

Notching this into the win column.

-vote FM Cernd

[Slaol]

This is now open to COM accounts.

[Orpz]

poor poor montaron

[Orpz]

The Lunatic probably would have killed you once he was lynched, I shared the heartward chat with him

[FM Korgan]

Oh and whoever killed me is kind of a jerk for not giving Khalid his well deserved win.

Wasn't me.

" Both hosts made quite a few mistakes handling player actions. We'd set up a quite extensive set of tables to register everything that was going on. What we failed to do was take a proper systematic approach to fill in the data, perform double checks and handle day/night transitions. If we had, there would've been less oversights."

a classic error which most people do. Never worked in an office i guess!? ;)

[FM Montaron]

The Lunatic probably would have killed you once he was lynched, I shared the heartward chat with him

I don't mind. I knew I wouldn't win this from the point I was revealed, unless I would've gotten insanely lucky.

I was a tool for the Town; nothing else, honestly.

Harpers had an easy ride. :P

[FM Montaron]

Wasn't me.

" Both hosts made quite a few mistakes handling player actions. We'd set up a quite extensive set of tables to register everything that was going on. What we failed to do was take a proper systematic approach to fill in the data, perform double checks and handle day/night transitions. If we had, there would've been less oversights."

a classic error which most people do. Never worked in an office i guess!? ;)

I would've loved for you to shoot me though. I figured out you were CmG way early in the game, when we had our altercation in the puzzle chat and we started insulting each other. I was like, ''WELL, HELLO, CMG.''

[FM Korgan]

I would've loved for you to shoot me though. I figured out you were CmG way early in the game, when we had our altercation in the puzzle chat and we started insulting each other. I was like, ''WELL, HELLO, CMG.''

I didn't think you deserved to die. So i didn't shoot you when i could. I might be a dick sometimes but usually i try to be fair at least :P

[FM Kivan]

Well, at least I won. Poor Khalid, he deserved his win...

I received Alchemist's Fire day before, I was planning on killing Harpers by my own hand but I guess it just wasn't meant to happen.


As for FM: I had lot of fun and I'm glad I had my part in this. Thank you hosts! (Btw, I bet you really hated yourself for that Ghost riddle) Town had a lot of luck. Montaron killing Cults, Valygar killing the Avenger, Keldorn's lynch - all that was incredibly lucky.

As for my MVP choice I'll have to think - Cernd was really consistent, Montaron had epic curse actions, Keldorn and Shar-Teel played their Town roles really damn well.

Oh, and Edwin was Ypmagic? Noted

[Azuriae]

My biggest mistake was to ignite on the night I was sure the Sanctum would open. I didn't have much of a choice; but if I had waited the next day, I would have killed Jan myself and would've gotten the auto-vest, which might have turned things around for me.

[FM Korgan]

Finaly got that incognito achievement...

[Poriomania]

Well, at least I won. Poor Khalid, he deserved his win...

I received Alchemist's Fire day before, I was planning on killing Harpers by my own hand but I guess it just wasn't meant to happen.


As for FM: I had lot of fun and I'm glad I had my part in this. Thank you hosts! (Btw, I bet you really hated yourself for that Ghost riddle) Town had a lot of luck. Montaron killing Cults, Valygar killing the Avenger, Keldorn's lynch - all that was incredibly lucky.

As for my MVP choice I'll have to think - Cernd was really consistent, Montaron had epic curse actions, Keldorn and Shar-Teel played their Town roles really damn well.

Oh, and Edwin was Ypmagic? Noted

I was surprised when you flipped as Dagaen.

Between Lost in the Amazon and this game, you've grown a lot.

[CmG]

Lol he united the duke and the prophet n1. That was really awkward. Troll to win. Always works on sc2mafia. It's fool proof.

[Orpz]

mfw end of day 1 LW

Nalia is Town.
Valygar is 100% Town. If he's scum then I will +rep his COM every chance I get for the next year.

[Azuriae]

mfw end of day 1 LW

Yeah. I went on a gut feeling for him. I don't know, he just made me feel uneasy.

Also, I did curse Minsc over Quayle. I can't be the only one that felt his behavior changed.

[FM Ferengi]

Lol he united the duke and the prophet n1. That was really awkward.

Kivan's unites were quite funny from start to finish.

1: Valygar and Korgan
2: Quayle and Minsc
3: Quayle and Keldorn
4: Ajantis and Alora
5: Khalid and Jan
6: Aerie and Montaron
7: Aerie and Xan
8: Xzar and Korgan
9: Haer-Dalis and Garrick
10: Cernd and Tiax
11: Yeslick and Khalid

So much for providing a town communication tools. Damn hippy wants everyone to get along!

[Slaol]

The only time that he united 2 Town they both died...

[FM Kivan]

I was surprised when you flipped as Dagaen.

Between Lost in the Amazon and this game, you've grown a lot.

Aww, thanks^^

Reasoning for my night 1 action: Valygar looked like Townie who tried to stay low profile and I was pretty sure Korgan is Townie, who trolls to not get culted. I tried to join targets that are bad/unlikely to be converted. Funny how it went.

On n2 I assumed Minsc was Townie and joined him with Quayle to protect him. Thanks to Quayle's fail Minsc was cursed. I guess two wrongs make a right;]

Keldorn was a starting Cult? Wow, damn well played.

[Ganondorf]

mfw end of day 1 LW

[Poriomania]

I don't think Keldorn was a starting cult.

[FM Kivan]

Kivan's unites were quite funny from start to finish.

1: Valygar and Korgan
2: Quayle and Minsc
3: Quayle and Keldorn
4: Ajantis and Alora
5: Khalid and Jan
6: Aerie and Montaron
7: Aerie and Xan
8: Xzar and Korgan
9: Haer-Dalis and Garrick
10: Cernd and Tiax
11: Yeslick and Khalid

So much for providing a town communication tools. Damn hippy wants everyone to get along!

Hey, I didn't want Cult to have double convertions! Joing two Townies would be high risk, low reward actions.

But yeah, my actions look awesome now

[Ganondorf]

I don't think Keldorn was a starting cult.

He was N2 recruiy

[FM Khalid]

Well shit, lost with Montaron.

Oh well was fun anyways haha

[FM Kivan]

He was N2 recruiy

Oh ok, I thought his role would be smth like Bard/Bard in such case.

[Azuriae]

Well shit, lost with Montaron.

Oh well was fun anyways haha

Well shit, lost with Montaron.

Oh well was fun anyways haha

You... you would have shot me?

Traitor!
Monster!

You... are an abomination!

[FM Kivan]

Open dead chats, please?

[Slaol]

Open dead chats, please?

Use COM account.

[FM Ferengi]

Aww, thanks^^

Reasoning for my night 1 action: Valygar looked like Townie who tried to stay low profile and I was pretty sure Korgan is Townie, who trolls to not get culted. I tried to join targets that are bad/unlikely to be converted. Funny how it went.

On n2 I assumed Minsc was Townie and joined him with Quayle to protect him. Thanks to Quayle's fail Minsc was cursed. I guess two wrongs make a right;]

Keldorn was a starting Cult? Wow, damn well played.

Quayle died because of the night 2 unite. Montaron's target was Minsc.

Keldorn was the night 2 convert. You managed to put Minsc and Keldorn into your chat the nights after they got converted. You must have been thinking the same as Valygar

[AppleyNO]

T.T

GG WP everyone! I had a lot of fun, and while there are things I would change with my play, I think I did well xD

[FM Ferengi]

@Khalid:
You were complaining about getting duplicate puzzle clues on the last night, but didn't realise that you had ALL the clues already

More info in this thread

[Orpz]

Use COM account.

I can't see the dead chat on my main acc, either

[Dagaen]

Use COM account.

I see even less now:P No dead chats and can't even see puzzle chats.


And I've joined Quayle with Minsc because I was sure Quayle would drive himself!

[RLVG]

I loved the part I died with an extreme amount of responsibility carried by scum.

[CmG]

I loved the part I died with an extreme amount of responsibility carried by scum.

Serves you right for unneccesarily outing your Duke, douchebag :P

[Muso]

GG. Nice work hosts - you guys were polite, extremely hard-working, and it was obvious how much hard work you'd put in to planning and implementing this game.

-vote FM Shar-teel

4 playerz choice.

HEIL KORGAMG

[Muso]

Omg stop posting so I can post

[FM Khalid]

Yeah, I figured it shouldn't be too complicated past a simple Einstein's puzzle, and that resulted in my undoing haha

But yeah terrific work hosts, was a well-made FM indeed!

[RLVG]

Serves you right for unneccesarily outing your Duke, douchebag :P

That was unintended. *Acts like nothing*

[Slaol]

Full vision should be up.

[Azuriae]

Yeah, I figured it shouldn't be too complicated past a simple Einstein's puzzle, and that resulted in my undoing haha

But yeah terrific work hosts, was a well-made FM indeed!

I hate you.
:c

[FM Kivan]

Full vision should be up.

Yup! Time for some bedtime reading!

[FM Kivan]

That Keldorn...

I'm currently devising a plan to create an information network for the Adventurers. This may take a while but I think it will be worth the effort.

And he actually was doing this from what I see in the Heart chat.

[Citrus]

I hate you.
:c

I am truly sorry, I was rooting for you. Allying with Jan/Safana plus your dousing us fucked me over hard

[FM Ferengi]

Night actions table was added to the OP

[madbird20]

Good game everybody! I'm really sad Khalid and Montaron didn't get their wins. I was rooting for you guys

For Town MVP: Montaron, XD. No really. She literally was the biggest reason Cult lost. Her burn cause us to side with her, killing Jan, who could potentially have struck a deal with the Cult and possibly altered the game. And if I'm not allowed to vote for Neutrals for Town MVP, then probably Cernd. He played quite well, kept himself unconverted, confirmed Yeslick, who was a potential mislynch target, and was rarely on the wrong train. Some might say he wasn't vocal enough about his reads, but I say he was smart to keep them to himself. If he went blabbing about how X is Town and Y is scum, he definitely would have been converted, giving the Cult another Graverobber and intelligent, town-leading player

For Scum MVP: I'm torn between Mazzy and Shar-Teel. Mazzy avoided a lynch for, what? 2 days straight? She got Viconia lynched, and as a side-effect also Anomen. But at the same time, Shar morphed 2 Cults into PRs, which could be viewed as good or bad. Dynaheir I believe only used her ability once, so even if she was an Assassin she probably wouldn't have gotten more kills in than she did. Then AT would have been a great choice if he hadn't died.

[FM Kivan]

Holy shit.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post371042

Guys, you have to check this out