S-FM 57: Bastardized Game Thread

[RLVG]

Since you said that, please identify my useful tips that are beneficial to neutral and scum.

Useful tip: There will be special events every day.[/I]

Useful tip: Role claim to victory.

Useful tip: Faking surprise at number of pages is scum tactic.

You inform tactics ahead of time, already on Day 0.
That's a scum tactic itself to give a premature message to the scum what they should watch out for before the night.

[Nick]

The fact that you want someone killed is anti-town, in comparision to just "checking them out".

That kind of play is for pubs. Over reliance on investigative roles. You have a lot of time left to convince town that you are not mafia.



Useful tip: After confirming that there is no Spree Killer, organize town actions to find the liars.

[Nick]

You inform tactics ahead of time, already on Day 0.
That's a scum tactic itself to give a premature message to the scum what they should watch out for before the night.

So you are accusing me of being Killing Neutral or Evil Neutral instead of Mafia?



Useful tip: Citizens have the power of free speech in addition to the power of the vote.

[The Nightbringer]

I remember the last time Nick and I played together... I named him my nemesis.
Remember Anti-Stalking 101?

Useful tip: If you try to scumhunt using the useful tips against Nick, you will fail.

[Nick]

I remember the last time Nick and I played together... I named him my nemesis.
Remember Anti-Stalking 101?

LOLOL

5. Day events may occur. One event that comes to mind is that (players can vote if they want it) everyone WILL receive their results PM, but one random town role will be bastardized or change their bastardization.

I'd like to remind everyone that there will be day events. Much like Amnesia Town. Make sure to READ the instruction and think through the choices.



Useful tip: Choose your avatars wisely. They greatly impact the tone of your posts.

[RLVG]

Useful tip: Choose your avatars wisely. They greatly impact the tone of your posts.

What if it's a picture of self? Lol.

[Damus_Graves]

Well this confirms my theory to say the least.
People are quick to assign scum onto people who buttheads with others and stand far apart from everyone else

[Damus_Graves]

I'm looking over and over on Clems posts to find something in them that makes her stand out for others but I honestly only see that Plan she made as the thing to judge her on. Perhaps I cannot see it well enough to understand what must go on through Nick's head. See for example he seems to find RLVG scum as well but I only see it as a Citizen with nothing else to do on day one. Of course this should mean that there is an alternate motive within RLVG's posts that make me weary of him. But once again I see very little that causes a need for bloodshed. You can understand the reason behind my skepticism obviously and predictably find me out to be scummy from this paragraph. Good luck to you.

[RLVG]

I only see it as a Citizen with nothing else to do on day one.

Maybe that's true.

[TheDarkestLight]

Fatalis is calling me a lurker when it is night were I am. He seems to always have some new reason as to why I am scum, like posting off topic things, were he did just after, and then calling me a lurker when it is night time in my part of the world. He is a possible Exec, yet may just be a Scum Hunting Townie.

Damus seems to be taking back his natural Town Leader position, yet it could be an attempt to get back in the good with the Town people after being accused.

Nick claims to have found all the scum, and claims to be a Vig about to kill them, yet he doesn't take into knowledge from what I have read what he would do if he was the Bastardized role.

[Damus_Graves]

Fatalis is calling me a lurker when it is night were I am. He seems to always have some new reason as to why I am scum, like posting off topic things, were he did just after, and then calling me a lurker when it is night time in my part of the world. He is a possible Exec, yet may just be a Scum Hunting Townie.

Damus seems to be taking back his natural Town Leader position, yet it could be an attempt to get back in the good with the Town people after being accused.

Nick claims to have found all the scum, and claims to be a Vig about to kill them, yet he doesn't take into knowledge from what I have read what he would do if he was the Bastardized role.

No I have not. You need to re-define what Town Leader is. I am an active player. Not Town Leader

[The Nightbringer]

Is anybody else worried about how the Special Mechanics of this game will affect us? It's ok. I've come up with a way to sort through the special mechanics to the best of our abilities. Here is what we should do:

The Baseline Plan
On Night 1, all citizens should make no action. All town power roles (except perhaps Vigilante and Veteran) should choose to take action. This will establish what the town power roles + mafia role night feedback looks like. (This is our 'baseline' that we can compare all subsequent night action feedback to)

On Night 2, all citizens should perform their action on random players. All town power roles (except perhaps Vigilante and Veteran) should choose to take action. Town power roles such as a Viglante or Veteran should either perform their action on both Night 1 and Night 2 or NOT perform their action on both Night 1 and Night 2.

After determining what the "incorrect" role card's feedback is, we can determine something about the incorrect town power role's role card. If the Night 1 feedback has no role blocks (for example) but the Night 2 feedback has a role block, we will know that one citizen is a hidden role blocker. This way, the citizen with the incorrect role card will definitively know his purpose and be able to utilize his role to the best of his ability.

Pros:
PR that is a cit has possibility of finding out he is a cit d1 and cit can find out d2 if:
- Role is unique in the setup
- No one is roleblocked
- Role gives distinctive feedback (not "you were successful")

Cons:
If any of the top 3 conditions are not met, cit still doesn't know what he is and is wasting nights trying to find out.
If either the PR or Cit dies before they figure it out and inform the town, the other will never know.


My proposals:
Plan A:
If Nick agrees: Since Nick claimed to be vig, how about have both cits target Nick tonight and Nick not shoot? that way the results should be: you did nothing + the missing PRs feedback.

Plan B:
I somehow doubt that Crimson will return to play and will most likely get replaced with Slaol. How about both cits target Crimson/Slaol and Crimson/Slaol does nothing (to get the same results as Plan A)

Pros: It might reward us with faster information on what feedback the cit is. (and the PR would recognize his feedback is on someone who did no action)

Cons:
-If more than one person does nothing, it might spoil the plans. (although if scum do nothing on purpose, then we are in a way roleblocking scum)
-If plans are foiled, its a little late to revert to Clems plan.


I donno... I get the impression that our time table is a little short to be worrying about 1 PR. With 2 scum kpn, towns majority is gonna fall fast.

[AppleyNO]

TDL is mostly town atm.
He is 90% town 15% scum

I'm reading and catching up.

Yes I am no longer AFK. Stopping her because 90% + 15% = 105%. Impossible.

[AppleyNO]

Yet, when someone asked him about the bus driver, he realized that it wouldn't work. I'd expect him to reason the same way with the roles I pointed out.

Yayap didn't read the setup???

One town PR, if he is the one who received the wrong role PM, actually has no action. (Essentially, one PR and one Citizen have the correct role, but received the incorrect PM. The REAL PR, told he is a citizen, still has a night action.) Jailor, Bus Driver, and Journalist are excluded.

[AppleyNO]

If Nick agrees: Since Nick claimed to be vig, how about have both cits target Nick tonight and Nick not shoot? that way the results should be: you did nothing + the missing PRs feedback.

Plan B:
I somehow doubt that Crimson will return to play and will most likely get replaced with Slaol. How about both cits target Crimson/Slaol and Crimson/Slaol does nothing (to get the same results as Plan A)

Pros: It might reward us with faster information on what feedback the cit is. (and the PR would recognize his feedback is on someone who did no action)

Cons:
-If more than one person does nothing, it might spoil the plans. (although if scum do nothing on purpose, then we are in a way roleblocking scum)
-If plans are foiled, its a little late to revert to Clems plan.


I donno... I get the impression that our time table is a little short to be worrying about 1 PR. With 2 scum kpn, towns majority is gonna fall fast.

The only risk that your plans have besides the ones you mentioned are what if one of the PRs who got a citizen role card is actually the vigilante O.o

It would be really funny if Nick was a citizen, and the vigilante shot him following plan A.
Plan B relies on Crimson/Slaol not being a citizen.

All in all, your last sentence kinda points out something that has been on my mind. KPN < 1 = Bad for us.

I would recommend a lynch tomorrow if we lose two towns.

[AppleyNO]

Yea, 8 town VS 5 non Town. Two townies die its 6 V 5 (assuming Vigilante/Veteran/Jailor doesn't kill anyone). It would be Lynch or Lose.

[The Nightbringer]

@Appley: I didn't miss it, I was testing to see who else read the setup, apparently only you did. The others thought I was stupid to try to guess that the cit couldn't be journalist or jailor which I had in red... or they are trying to make me look stupid.

Best of luck to all involved and I would like to point out this one inscrutable fact:
Today must not be skipped.

Today is an important function in Town PR night actions and skipping shall only help the scum.

I disagree, while you guys all think that you can scumhunt by analyzing posts on day 0, none of you know what you are looking for, you don't even know what "lurking" is. Scum don't know anything more than town does. Granted, Mafia might know their team mates but I doubt any of you are dumb rookies who would slip up on that level.

-vote skip

I'm waiting until day 1 before I start scumhunting.. although some have given me some bad vibes, its only gut feelings right now and I won't share those yet.

I suggest keeping a close watch on the people who agree all to readily with me.

or maybe you do agree with me... I can't tell nor will I waste my time studying your wording.

I'll be back in a few hours, I may or may not post depending on the current discussion when I get back.

Other people: OMG! Yayap is LURKING! and he voted to skip day!

Yes! I plan on lurking the rest of day 0 unless something requires my immediate attention.


Useful tip: I good player knows how to talk, but only a great player knows when to shut up!

[clementine]

Yea, 8 town VS 5 non Town. Two townies die its 6 V 5 (assuming Vigilante/Veteran/Jailor doesn't kill anyone). It would be Lynch or Lose.

SFM's aren't known to be the most balanced, but scum can kill scum unlike in Yayap's FM.

Also, I agree that we should wait on some answers from the FAQ thread before deciding to proceed. (about modkill risk if people decide not to submit actions.

[The Nightbringer]

SFM's aren't known to be the most balanced, but scum can kill scum unlike in Yayap's FM.

Also, I agree that we should wait on some answers from the FAQ thread before deciding to proceed. (about modkill risk if people decide not to submit actions.

Answers are in the FAQ OP.

[Damus_Graves]

I disagree, while you guys all think that you can scumhunt by analyzing posts on day 0, none of you know what you are looking for, you don't even know what "lurking" is. Scum don't know anything more than town does. Granted, Mafia might know their team mates but I doubt any of you are dumb rookies who would slip up on that level.

-vote skip


I'm waiting until day 1 before I start scumhunting.. although some have given me some bad vibes, its only gut feelings right now and I won't share those yet.

I think I have proven enough times that Scum can be found Day 0/1 which ever games start on.

[RLVG]

Useful tip: I good player knows how to talk, but only a great player knows when to shut up!

The useful tip syndrome is spreading.
... How the fuck is this an useful tip? Lol.

[Damus_Graves]

The useful tip syndrome is spreading.
... How the fuck is this an useful tip? Lol.

Claw used to use the day chat to manipulate players into doing as he wanted them to.
EX:
Have an escort target player X through some subtle wording in a post or two or three.

What "Yayap" is saying is that sometimes there is more use in a player, such as one in my position, not talking than continuing to chat.
xD

I am taking his advice in stride and going into the background. Good luck scum hunting

[clementine]

@Appley: I didn't miss it, I was testing to see who else read the setup, apparently only you did. The others thought I was stupid to try to guess that the cit couldn't be journalist or jailor which I had in red... or they are trying to make me look stupid.



I disagree, while you guys all think that you can scumhunt by analyzing posts on day 0, none of you know what you are looking for, you don't even know what "lurking" is. Scum don't know anything more than town does. Granted, Mafia might know their team mates but I doubt any of you are dumb rookies who would slip up on that level.

-vote skip

I'm waiting until day 1 before I start scumhunting.. although some have given me some bad vibes, its only gut feelings right now and I won't share those yet.

I totally think you can scumhunt by analyzing Day 1 posts. You give us all too much credit if you truly think that we all are good enough to hide info about our alignment.

Also, RLVG is leaning town again. (but just barely).

Town:
clementine
Fatalis
AppleyNO
creedkingsx
Nick
RLVG (maybe)

Mid/Unsure:
TDL
Mintberry Crunch
Crimson
Damus_Graves

Scum:
jr4life24
Espozito
The Nightbringer

I suggest protective roles choose a player from my town list, and investigative roles choose a player from my mid/unsure or scum list. If there's a vigilante he should shoot jr4life24 because jr is playing consistent with his scum meta.

[RLVG]

Also, RLVG is leaning town again. (but just barely).

How?

I suggest protective roles choose a player from my town list, and investigative roles choose a player from my mid/unsure or scum list. If there's a vigilante he should shoot jr4life24 because jr is playing consistent with his scum meta.

I guess Mid/Unsure for Non-Vigi PR because if Vigi are to hit the Scum it would waste the invest clues.

[RLVG]

Five hour left of this insane game.

[Jr4life24]

Alright, Now that i got my internet up and running and I've gotten some sleep, Let me put some thought into this.

[RLVG]

Alright, Now that i got my internet up and running and I've gotten some sleep, Let me put some thought into this.

Twelve pages on night one, I'm guessing at least one hour read.

[Jr4life24]

Twelve pages on night one, I'm guessing at least one hour read.

More like 20ish, I'm a fast reader.

Anyways, Currently most ideas that i have currently have been said so far, So i don't exactly have much input my self.

I put some things in my notes so far to use later, Since i hate day 0 i think i'm going to save it for tomorrow.

[RLVG]

More like 20ish, I'm a fast reader.

Anyways, Currently most ideas that i have currently have been said so far, So i don't exactly have much input my self.

I put some things in my notes so far to use later, Since i hate day 0 i think i'm going to save it for tomorrow.

What's your opinion about Yap, RLVG (yes me), Clem and Damus?

[Damus_Graves]

What's your opinion about Yap, RLVG (yes me), Clem and Damus?

"Yayap" is everything so far. However as saying so means that it is also more likely than not for him to actually be anything.
RLVG needs to do something meaningful
Clem is Clem
Damus is Damus however not usual Damus of course

[RLVG]

RLVG needs to do something meaningful

Do I really need to do something useful?

[Jr4life24]

What's your opinion about Yap, RLVG (yes me), Clem and Damus?

Yapap-Being Yapap hard to tell
You-Opinionated currently
Clem-Town
Damus-Neutral or town

[AppleyNO]

"Yayap" is everything so far. However as saying so means that it is also more likely than not for him to actually be anything.
RLVG needs to do something meaningful
Clem is Clem
Damus is Damus however not usual Damus of course

What.

This post..

I dont even.

[Fatalis]

What.

This post..

I dont even.

^ This

Fatalis is calling me a lurker when it is night were I am. He seems to always have some new reason as to why I am scum, like posting off topic things, were he did just after, and then calling me a lurker when it is night time in my part of the world. He is a possible Exec, yet may just be a Scum Hunting Townie.

TDL's reaction have been a little over defensive to what I have been saying. But I'm still fairly unsure since he haven't made any apparent scummy acts.


Also Appley, I found it weird that Clem would trust you as of the moment

[AppleyNO]

Also Appley, I found it weird that Clem would trust you as of the moment

Why is that? She trusts me for a special meta reason, apparently.

Its probably because I haven't made any lists yet.

[Fatalis]

Will Crimson be replaced if he doesn't post today?

[Fatalis]

Why is that? She trusts me for a special meta reason, apparently.

Its probably because I haven't made any lists yet.

Maybe, but I can't meta you because I haven't played with you enough as of the recent. And iirc everytime you act pro-town you are more likely to flip scum.

[Fatalis]

The useful tip syndrome is spreading.
... How the fuck is this an useful tip? Lol.

That could be true in certain situations. For example, sometimes because you talk too much you could easily lose the trust you've gain. Like being read as over-reactive or tunnel-visioning.

Claw used to use the day chat to manipulate players into doing as he wanted them to.
EX:
Have an escort target player X through some subtle wording in a post or two or three.

What "Yayap" is saying is that sometimes there is more use in a player, such as one in my position, not talking than continuing to chat.
xD

I am taking his advice in stride and going into the background. Good luck scum hunting

However this just says that he is either super important TPR or scum
It's very obvious how Damus seeks to intentionally make him look scummy. Which makes him less likely to be a town.

[RLVG]

Like being read as over-reactive or tunnel-visioning.

That's stupid in general.

[Nazzhoul]

Will Crimson be replaced if he doesn't post today?

Yes. If he does not post in the next 25 hours, I will replace him with a hungry Magmar.

[Fatalis]

That's stupid in general.

Which sometimes come from talking too much

[Fatalis]

Wait what this day is 48 hours

[RLVG]

Wait what this day is 48 hours

Omfg wtf I thougth it's one hour left.

... And people demanded to skip lol.

[Nazzhoul]

There is no lynch today! Day may be skipped with a majority vote, once everyone has posted. Otherwise, day will end at this time:

8:00 PM EST January 27

I'll just leave this here

[creedkingsx]

*lurk*

[Damus_Graves]

good man. Long days = good days

[Damus_Graves]

Fatalis is thinking about this too hard.

[RLVG]

*lurk*

Town.

[creedkingsx]

Fatalis is thinking about this too hard.

Yeah, you espo and RLVG are mafia.
Pretty ez.

[Damus_Graves]

Yeah, you espo and RLVG are mafia.
Pretty ez.

I would have to say so.
I did not try very hard this game. Fatalis brought out the fight in me and unfortunately that did me in. GGnoRE Fatalis. U r 2 pro 4 me