S-FM XXIII: Eden of the East

[AppleyNO]

There is also the possibly that we lynched the wrong person and we still have a witch, although that is highly unlikely...

[Sumikoko]

Desu and I currently discussing my detective results with the buff and how it's affected by a framer over Skype right now.

Please stand by.

[Sumikoko]

Okay well here's the thing.

The Framer apparently gets to choose which investigator to mess up. As in, the Mafia bought the framing ability last night and chose me or Cap to mess up. And the framer can choose what results they get.

My detective results say that Ginger visited Oranges. My detective buff ability yields that whomever Ginger visited (supposedly Oranges) visited no one, which checks out. The catch is, even if Ginger visited no one and was still framed to visit Oranges, I'd still get the buff result that whomever Ginger visited (which is no one) visited no one.


This still makes no sense though. Because that would mean the framer either chose Cap's result to always come up suspicious, or my result to always show that the person visited Oranges, without knowing whom the two of us would visit.

[Capitalier]

What if CmG put the bomb on himself to kill anyone who investigated him, and framed Gingerzero to cause CHAOS?

[Capitalier]

Gingerzero, do you have a one-shot, baby?

[Sumikoko]

But that would mean Oranges visited CmG, which is impossible lol. As mayor. Assuming Glip was telling the truth about having the one shot ability.

Whoever decided to do this is either a genius, or didn't think it through all the way lol.

[GingerZero]

Yea i don't have a 1-shot.
And i wasn't witched.
If you kill me and I show cit. Then mafia have some framer ability thing.

[GingerZero]

-unvote
[3/4] Gingerzero - Cap, Appley, Cmg

what role is appley again?

[Sumikoko]

Ironically, because of the different way Framer operates in this game, then Glip and Appley ARE both cleared from being Mafia. Since it would mean two framing attempts were used on both me and Cap the same night. It's impossible on Night 1. The night with Appley also sounds unlikely.

[Glip]

So from what I understand, the mafia bought a purchase that kerfluffled one of the investigative role's night results.

Both of you checked Ginger. Cappy got an innocent result, and Sumi got a guilty result.

It seems to me that we can afford a mislynch today. It's either 5 town vs 1 maf (either ginger or CmG) or 4 town vs 2 maf (ginger AND CmG)

I say we lynch one of them today, and even if somehow the mafia still has 2 kills tonight, there would be enough of us left to lynch the other tomorrow.

Say the word and I'll hammer Ginger.

[GingerZero]

Back off 'citizen' if anyone is going to hammer me, it should be Sumi.

[Glip]

Back off 'citizen' if anyone is going to hammer me, it should be Sumi.

Lol, no need to get testy. I wouldn't have hammered you without Sumi's approval anyway.

I just wasn't watching the votes closely enough and didn't see that Sumi hadn't voted for you yet.

As she hasn't, I'll leave whether or not to hammer up to her.

Why weren't any buffs offered to us today? We should have had two to pick from :*(

[Sumikoko]

Why weren't any buffs offered to us today? We should have had two to pick from :*(

This.

I'm personally hoping that the multilynch somehow rolls out.

[Capitalier]

-unvote Gingerzero
-vote CmG

[Glip]

Lol, no need to get testy. I wouldn't have hammered you without Sumi's approval anyway.

I just wasn't watching the votes closely enough and didn't see that Sumi hadn't voted for you yet.

As she hasn't, I'll leave whether or not to hammer up to her.

Why weren't any buffs offered to us today? We should have had two to pick from :*(

Made it green for officialness.

[AppleyNO]

This.

I'm personally hoping that the multilynch somehow rolls out.

Sumi im so confused with all these Special Rules and stuff.....

So... its CmG or Ginger....
Sumi thinks she was framed
Cap found that Ginger was suspicious(Meaning NS due do being insane)
So the best lynch is CmG, then?
-Unvote
-Vote CmG

[GingerZero]

-vote CmG

We are not scum so it must be CmG!

[Sumikoko]

Sumi im so confused with all these Special Rules and stuff.....

So... its CmG or Ginger....
Sumi thinks she was framed
Cap found that Ginger was suspicious(Meaning NS due do being insane)
So the best lynch is CmG, then?

I didn't necessarily think I'm framed. But between Cap and me, one of us is. Or there was an ability like, witch someone onto someone else with no notification.

It's just boggling that the Mafia would choose one of us to frame when we haven't announced whom we were visiting. But following this train of thought, it's more plausible that Cap would be the one to frame. Cap would just get the opposite result, I believe? So he would essentially become sane for one night.

Whereas mine would have to be hand selected, as in, the mafia member would have to explicitly say, make Sumi's result come up as "blah blah blah visited Orange." In which case it would be more dangerous since the person wouldn't have known who I visited. I could have very well visited the Mafia, who really did visit Orange, and it would only further incriminate them, complemented with Cap's result, which would be right if I were framed.

In other words, there's a higher risk of choosing me to frame. But since we don't know who it is, we have no idea the level of risk this person is willing to take.

[AppleyNO]

I didn't necessarily think I'm framed. But between Cap and me, one of us is. Or there was an ability like, witch someone onto someone else with no notification.

It's just boggling that the Mafia would choose one of us to frame when we haven't announced whom we were visiting. But following this train of thought, it's more plausible that Cap would be the one to frame. Cap would just get the opposite result, I believe? So he would essentially become sane for one night.

Whereas mine would have to be hand selected, as in, the mafia member would have to explicitly say, make Sumi's result come up as "blah blah blah visited Orange." In which case it would be more dangerous since the person wouldn't have known who I visited. I could have very well visited the Mafia, who really did visit Orange, and it would only further incriminate them, complemented with Cap's result, which would be right if I were framed.

In other words, there's a higher risk of choosing me to frame. But since we don't know who it is, we have no idea the level of risk this person is willing to take.

What to you think the best course of action is? We could lynch CmG OR Ginger.... They are both scummy to me.

[Capitalier]

I didn't necessarily think I'm framed. But between Cap and me, one of us is. Or there was an ability like, witch someone onto someone else with no notification.

It's just boggling that the Mafia would choose one of us to frame when we haven't announced whom we were visiting. But following this train of thought, it's more plausible that Cap would be the one to frame. Cap would just get the opposite result, I believe? So he would essentially become sane for one night.

Whereas mine would have to be hand selected, as in, the mafia member would have to explicitly say, make Sumi's result come up as "blah blah blah visited Orange." In which case it would be more dangerous since the person wouldn't have known who I visited. I could have very well visited the Mafia, who really did visit Orange, and it would only further incriminate them, complemented with Cap's result, which would be right if I were framed.

In other words, there's a higher risk of choosing me to frame. But since we don't know who it is, we have no idea the level of risk this person is willing to take.

I suggest you vote CmG.

And it's not mind boggling at all. We were either going to visit Gingerzero or CmG.

Or, Deathfire lied about mechanics. This is the most probable.

[AppleyNO]

Before the day ends, we need a lynch.

We have three on CmG, so someone hammer him today and if he is a citizen then we know that it is Gingerzero.

[Sumikoko]

Okay, so I just read over the entire thread again. Didn't really make heads or tails out of it. GingerZero made several scummy posts and so did CmG. I have specific meta reasons against both of them as well.

I am leaning towards the fact that GingerZero is actually scum, but it's whatever at this point.

Glip, feel free to hammer CmG. I'd rather not, since I've had a hand in CmG's death far too many times.

[Glip]

Okay, so I just read over the entire thread again. Didn't really make heads or tails out of it. GingerZero made several scummy posts and so did CmG. I have specific meta reasons against both of them as well.

I am leaning towards the fact that GingerZero is actually scum, but it's whatever at this point.

Glip, feel free to hammer CmG. I'd rather not, since I've had a hand in CmG's death far too many times.

Glad I decided to check up on this game during my dinner break, or else the day would have ended before I would have had a chance to hammer him.

-vote CmG

[Glip]

In other news, I think this is the first time I've ever been the hammer voter

Hope he's the scum.

[Sumikoko]

Time for the moment of truth.

[CmG]

gj you have won! Despite all of my efforts. I wasted so many hours of my life for this game! I schemed with profesionel analitics about this game. All in vain! I was chanceless. Your combined genius got me good and the other mafia team as well! Well played guys! I seriously hope i will be on your side next time we play!

Btw a big hug for our host. This was the most balanced and fair setup i have ever seen! Kudos too you! If you ever host again pls autosign me up!

I love you all so much! :3


TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

[Sumikoko]

Lol, CmG. And they say foreigners can't perceive sarcasm.

So what exactly did you buy last night?

[CmG]

Lottery tickets, because i was out of cash. Yo! Guess what? Didn't win anything at all. So i took the spare i had and bought everybody of you a condom. So at least i won't get any diseases while you were fucking me. :o

While Deathfire123 was filming it.

[Sumikoko]

Lol. Wat.

[Duzero]

gj you have won! Despite all of my efforts. I wasted so many hours of my life for this game! I schemed with profesionel analitics about this game. All in vain! I was chanceless. Your combined genius got me good and the other mafia team as well! Well played guys! I seriously hope i will be on your side next time we play!

Btw a big hug for our host. This was the most balanced and fair setup i have ever seen! Kudos too you! If you ever host again pls autosign me up!

I love you all so much! :3


TROLOVELOVELOVELOVELOVE! <3

I love you too <3

[Gingerape]

I almost died. Duzero kept posting scummy posts @_@

[Duzero]

I almost died. Duzero kept posting scummy posts @_@

What ?! You were the scummy one .

The way you unvoted CmG when it was clear that he or we were scum.

[Deathfire123]

I suggest you vote CmG.

And it's not mind boggling at all. We were either going to visit Gingerzero or CmG.

Or, Deathfire lied about mechanics. This is the most probable.

I did not

[Deathfire123]

CmG was cornered, just like Bahkieh, his partner, he had nowhere to go. So he ran. He ran back to his house, where he had installed him bomb and threatened to kill everyone on site. He held a knife in his hand and yelled, "NOBODY FUCKING MOVE" Someone held up a gun and was about to shoot him when he snapped, and cut the wire. But nothing happened. No explosion. Nothing. Distraught, CmG was taken to jail for life.

CmG was the Explosives Artist

THE END. All the mafia members have died. The Town has won. Blazer, clementine, Bahkieh, and CmG were mafia members.

My thoughts: There were some definite problems with this game's idea. I needed to be a bit more organized, and quicker with day starts, but the main problem was the barter system. The town barter system needed a few things to make it more fair, it needed bigger penalties to buying overpowered items, and also not random.org choosing what was available, I should have handpicked it. My main reason for not letting mafia die kill night 1 was because a lot of people complained about always dying early, and I wanted to see how my system played out. The money increase was also far too much, but I expected the town to go crazy with spending day one. The mafia barter system had it's own problems but nowhere near the problem as the town one. Mafia members got to buy their own roles (which I liked) but I needed to show them all the possible augments before they bought their roles as well. Also, the second half of this game was while I was on vacation so I kept on forgetting about it lol. Sorry guys.

Overall, the test went pretty well so I know what to do for next time! Thanks for playing!

I'll give MVP to Cap since he investermagated 2 mafia members and got em lynched. And also because I'm his bitch

[Phyr]

Well, the Open Roles List made it for town. Everything that came afterwards was easy going. Can we have a look at what perks Mafia had available? And what the one-shot abilities were?

[Deathfire123]

Sumi and Glip were part times whores and oranges was a part time vigilante.

Mafia got "a kill and a use ability" perk, and then CmG got a one use frame

[clementine]

I agree, I think the open roles list was a little too OP for town. Maybe if it was only available for purchase on Day 1 before mafia could buy their roles. In any case, I really liked the concept of this game! My only suggestion is to include a neutral aligned vigilante (the Supporter) next time. Thanks for hosting, deathfire! Have fun on the rest of your vacation! :]

[Gingerape]

I think...the game would have been a lot more fair if we didn't massive roleclaim right before buying the open role list. it was kinda like a loophole, but extremely strategic for town.

[oranges]

Sumi and Glip were part times whores and oranges was a part time vigilante.

Mafia got "a kill and a use ability" perk, and then CmG got a one use frame

Oh god, I just re-read the role PM and whoops, I did in fact have a 1shot vigi ability. Totally didn't even notice... clearly, I only read what my role was and then moved on. My bad!

[Sumikoko]

Lol.

I'm so glad I used my whore ability when I did. Else, Blazer would have killed me that night he got roleblocked. Kufufu.

[Fatalis]

GG all
I didn't suspect myself to die that early, Open role list was too powerful though

[Glip]

Oh god, I just re-read the role PM and whoops, I did in fact have a 1shot vigi ability. Totally didn't even notice... clearly, I only read what my role was and then moved on. My bad!

See? I'm not the only one who forgets they have a one-shot ability at first

[Blazer]

I keel u all