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[QUOTE=BananaCucho;595020]I messed up. My plan was to town read SJ day 2 then scum read day 3 whoever we tailored n2 and reveal as sheriff

When SJ revealed as sheriff I should.have said I checked someone else as town, but I reacted poorly and kept going with the plan instead of adapting. Like I said, I played lazy this game.[/QUOTE]

I dunno, it caused more waves that way. It worked better than I had expected. I can't fault it.

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

I messed up. My plan was to town read SJ day 2 then scum read day 3 whoever we tailored n2 and reveal as sheriff

When SJ revealed as sheriff I should.have said I checked someone else as town, but I reacted poorly and kept going with the plan instead of adapting. Like I said, I played lazy this game.

I dunno, it caused more waves that way. It worked better than I had expected. I can't fault it.

[QUOTE=Saik0Shinigami;595010]I cannot in good conscience make an MVP. [/QUOTE]

Upon further review... [vote]Excalibur[/vote] Because fuck the establishment, I'll post one thing that pissed off the SK so much that he died... I really want to know what [MENTION=3897]powerofdeath[/MENTION] was thinking killing him. It perplexes me.

Originally Posted by Saik0Shinigami

I cannot in good conscience make an MVP.

Upon further review...

-vote Excalibur

Because fuck the establishment, I'll post one thing that pissed off the SK so much that he died... I really want to know what @powerofdeath was thinking killing him. It perplexes me.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;595008]Some things that sucked:

Game Freaks last will[/QUOTE]

Yes, GF last will hurt us too though as mafia. The original plan was that Calix would claim to have used gun and PoD didn't die. I was already talking about trying to kill PoD since... what... day1? So We could have pushed together on that. ESPECIALLY if GF left in will that Calix was given a gun. But he didn't... Then calix subbed out and Firebringer kinda didn't have time or effort to catch that we had a plan he needed to get on? So I had to push the gambit. I was just hoping firebringer caught on that I would take that position in the plan now.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

Some things that sucked:

Game Freaks last will

Yes, GF last will hurt us too though as mafia. The original plan was that Calix would claim to have used gun and PoD didn't die. I was already talking about trying to kill PoD since... what... day1? So We could have pushed together on that. ESPECIALLY if GF left in will that Calix was given a gun. But he didn't... Then calix subbed out and Firebringer kinda didn't have time or effort to catch that we had a plan he needed to get on? So I had to push the gambit. I was just hoping firebringer caught on that I would take that position in the plan now.

I cannot in good conscience make an MVP. Most people on town side made gladiator fights that helped nobody. MattZed was on the right page, but went about it all wrong.

Both Banana and Calix were great... Banana for taking the bullet to lead us 3 or 4 different kills/lynches and Calix for that wonderful N1 PoD SK guess/read.

I made a couple of big mistakes that would of hung me, but I guess people didn't piece it together?

I cannot in good conscience make an MVP. Most people on town side made gladiator fights that helped nobody. MattZed was on the right page, but went about it all wrong.

Both Banana and Calix were great... Banana for taking the bullet to lead us 3 or 4 different kills/lynches and Calix for that wonderful N1 PoD SK guess/read.

I made a couple of big mistakes that would of hung me, but I guess people didn't piece it together?

[QUOTE=Gyrlander;594979]Nope, no restore thing saved me. *cries*

Good game! This setup was amazing, really prepared and so. Sad I got a role that, in my hands, couldn't be exploited all it was possible. I have learnt many things from this game, and I'm sure I'll remember this one as being one of the trickiest I've ever seen. Vote for MVP? I don't know. I feel like no one really deserves that. Mafia saved themselves thanks to my stupidity more or less... I've to learn big posts don't mean Town/Mafia.

Gyrlander, Signing out![/QUOTE]

We drew a materia that last night. So either you or Pisskop got one... and even then there's only 2 materia that could have even hoped to save you. Sorry, but it would have been an act of pasta jesus to save you.

I don't know why there were so many attempt to manipulate you. If they had stopped that shit and let you come to your own conclusion we wouldn't have kept you alive as long as we did(at least I would have pushed for it). I have to be brutally honest, if you feel like you're being pushed over like all of this game, you're being used. You were a gigantic tool for us with your double vote and ease of exploit. Hopefully you can realize in the future that people have an agenda if they're attempting to push you over. Let people present their opinions/reasoning then look at context of the game and position people are currently in. If something doesn't add up, or if you think there's something more important, then tell them to fuck off and present your counter-argument and vote how you see everything.

Originally Posted by Gyrlander

Nope, no restore thing saved me. *cries*

Good game! This setup was amazing, really prepared and so. Sad I got a role that, in my hands, couldn't be exploited all it was possible. I have learnt many things from this game, and I'm sure I'll remember this one as being one of the trickiest I've ever seen. Vote for MVP? I don't know. I feel like no one really deserves that. Mafia saved themselves thanks to my stupidity more or less... I've to learn big posts don't mean Town/Mafia.

Gyrlander, Signing out!

We drew a materia that last night. So either you or Pisskop got one... and even then there's only 2 materia that could have even hoped to save you. Sorry, but it would have been an act of pasta jesus to save you.

I don't know why there were so many attempt to manipulate you. If they had stopped that shit and let you come to your own conclusion we wouldn't have kept you alive as long as we did(at least I would have pushed for it). I have to be brutally honest, if you feel like you're being pushed over like all of this game, you're being used. You were a gigantic tool for us with your double vote and ease of exploit. Hopefully you can realize in the future that people have an agenda if they're attempting to push you over. Let people present their opinions/reasoning then look at context of the game and position people are currently in. If something doesn't add up, or if you think there's something more important, then tell them to fuck off and present your counter-argument and vote how you see everything.

[QUOTE=Calix;594996][vote]Saik0Shinigami[/vote]

If anyone wants an example of why it's a bad idea to allow RNG to affect night actions this much, this is the poster game. Even when town lost majority, they still had a chance at winning the game based on nothing but night actions that the scum could NOT predict.

A large part of why the Mafia won was because of the numerous misplays of town. Hyped-up conflicts between two players, questionable TPR play, lack of critical thinking/ over-reliance on the Mayor, etc. It...really wasn't good...[/QUOTE]

Gotta be honest though. This game was a blast for me. I feel like I orchestrated the murder of dozens and got away scot-free.

Originally Posted by Calix

-vote Saik0Shinigami

If anyone wants an example of why it's a bad idea to allow RNG to affect night actions this much, this is the poster game. Even when town lost majority, they still had a chance at winning the game based on nothing but night actions that the scum could NOT predict.

A large part of why the Mafia won was because of the numerous misplays of town. Hyped-up conflicts between two players, questionable TPR play, lack of critical thinking/ over-reliance on the Mayor, etc. It...really wasn't good...

Gotta be honest though. This game was a blast for me. I feel like I orchestrated the murder of dozens and got away scot-free.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;594984]How did Shakira use a gun on PoD, if both guns where used that night to kill darkness and head.[/QUOTE]

We pushed PoD for death on night 1 and he survived... Doesn't take much more to guess that he's SK since both materia were claimed that day as well. I could 'safely' say that I used the gun that was given to calix(I took it from her with a steal materia, the night that nobody claimed the second one). Since your armorer died that night it was easy to say that I was given the gun and make the claim. It was supposed to be calix, it would have been more credible that way, but Firebringer just subbed in and made that a mess.

So your armorer gave Calix and DarknessB a gun. I took calix's gun since her skill as godfather was to kill during night anyway.

I wasn't expecting the Headshrinker kill but that worked out for us anyway.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

How did Shakira use a gun on PoD, if both guns where used that night to kill darkness and head.

We pushed PoD for death on night 1 and he survived... Doesn't take much more to guess that he's SK since both materia were claimed that day as well. I could 'safely' say that I used the gun that was given to calix(I took it from her with a steal materia, the night that nobody claimed the second one). Since your armorer died that night it was easy to say that I was given the gun and make the claim. It was supposed to be calix, it would have been more credible that way, but Firebringer just subbed in and made that a mess.

So your armorer gave Calix and DarknessB a gun. I took calix's gun since her skill as godfather was to kill during night anyway.

I wasn't expecting the Headshrinker kill but that worked out for us anyway.

Corrections:

[Quote] As long as it's a mafia kill tonight I'm happy.[/quote]
I meant 'day'... It's currently night where I live and I'm getting confused -.-''

[Quote] if it you or Calix/Firebringer, [/quote]
should be "it's"

Corrections:

As long as it's a mafia kill tonight I'm happy.

I meant 'day'... It's currently night where I live and I'm getting confused -.-''

if it you or Calix/Firebringer,

should be "it's"

[QUOTE=AIVION;594328]How is it Wishy/Washy? I still have a strong suspicion that Firebringer's slot could possibly be Cloud... When I said I retract my reads it means I'm forcing my reads off of him since it's not Calix anymore. My Suspicons on the slot stay for reasons I explained. [/Quote]

It's wishy/washy because you sat there writing a full page on why you think that person is scum being so sure of it, then you turn around and don't vote them.

[Quote]Also @ your reasonings why I am scum just prove you barely read through this game AT ALL... Superjack had a null read on me all game, he never "didn't believe I was innocent." at any point in time. Darkness and I also never had a problem with each other ever, the only thing I remembered that he spoke ill of me is when he voted me alongside Gyrlander (But I already cleared that up in my defense). [/Quote]

The funny thing is, while I was writing that long post, I was going through EACH AND EVERY PAGE. I read that shit over again before I posted it. Yes both players had issues with you. That's why I wrote it because they've said it. I went through 70-ish pages and because I didn't sit there and annotate every post post with sources you're going to dismiss it saying there was never a problem. That's fine. Neither one of them town-read you. It was always mixed or can't read because you weren't participating in day conversations.

[Quote]I mean you're even using the whole "The Mayor roleblocked me and not a single kill happened." as another reason to make me seem like the godfather..? You realize the godfather can't be blocked right? WE SAID THIS SO MANY TIMES You just have so many gaps in your logic... not reading is scummy dude.
[/quote]
No, the quote is "there was only 1 kill that night" not " and not a single kill happened". You're now twisting my words saying I'm not reading anything when you can't even understand what I've said and don't even have the balls to quote it properly. I believe your scum, whether your godfather or not doesn't matter to me, because I subscribe to the 3/2 camp right now, if it you or Calix/Firebringer, I don't care. As long as it's a mafia kill tonight I'm happy.

[Quote] Also it wasn't you that pushed PoD's death it was SJ with Headshrinker Hammering him (I actually went into a slight paranoia stage at that point possibly thinking Superjack was Cloud who bussed Banana and was just playing us when I saw that...) [/quote]

I'm the one that started a PoD train twice. First time failed and I didn't have proof anyway, second committed with proof/information and guess what... they were SK. I didn't say I hammered, I said I started. And you say I'm not reading posts... hypocrite.

[quote]Also not to mention you said you had a gun and Shot PoD on the same night when the host himself even cleared up that it was impossible for that to happen, I'm a bit suprised no one like SJ caught that. To me that looked like a scum saying "Hey look at my excuse to saying PoD Is immune!" Instead of pushing anyone else that day.
[/quote]

Caught what? I got a gun, I used it that night (I received at start of day, which is why I said it the way I did if you read my posts about it), I shot PoD. PoD didn't die, because SK is immune to death at night. I do not understand what you think is impossible about this situation.

[Quote]Oh and also to reiterate my point that you barely read through any of the facts when you made your *case* against me:

^ I did. Not reading is scummy dude.[/QUOTE]

I missed a post... sue me.

I notice you conveniently ignored every other shred of evidence I presented. You know you can't refute it.

Honestly this is a three-way tie between us here. Pisskop alone can't break it which means that mayor is the decider here with his dual vote. SJ and Darkness both did have beef with you and they moved on ONLY because of the gladiator shenanigans and because I provided proof for PoDs role. Both never said that they we're town-reading you at any point(that I can remember, I'm not dredging up all 70+ posts to prove this one, but I think I'd remember a town-read on you). And SJ trusted my information as they accepted my PoD assertion and voted with me on PoD. Both of them died on the same night which is convenient for you not me. They both died the night prior to the day where they would have came to the same conclusion as me. You're scum.

Btw, you say I don't read... but in my post misread/misrepresented something I said 4 times from one single post. At least whatever mistakes I may have made, if any, were from multiple dozens of posts being collected together.

Originally Posted by AIVION

How is it Wishy/Washy? I still have a strong suspicion that Firebringer's slot could possibly be Cloud... When I said I retract my reads it means I'm forcing my reads off of him since it's not Calix anymore. My Suspicons on the slot stay for reasons I explained.

It's wishy/washy because you sat there writing a full page on why you think that person is scum being so sure of it, then you turn around and don't vote them.

Also @ your reasonings why I am scum just prove you barely read through this game AT ALL... Superjack had a null read on me all game, he never "didn't believe I was innocent." at any point in time. Darkness and I also never had a problem with each other ever, the only thing I remembered that he spoke ill of me is when he voted me alongside Gyrlander (But I already cleared that up in my defense).

The funny thing is, while I was writing that long post, I was going through EACH AND EVERY PAGE. I read that shit over again before I posted it. Yes both players had issues with you. That's why I wrote it because they've said it. I went through 70-ish pages and because I didn't sit there and annotate every post post with sources you're going to dismiss it saying there was never a problem. That's fine. Neither one of them town-read you. It was always mixed or can't read because you weren't participating in day conversations.

I mean you're even using the whole "The Mayor roleblocked me and not a single kill happened." as another reason to make me seem like the godfather..? You realize the godfather can't be blocked right? WE SAID THIS SO MANY TIMES You just have so many gaps in your logic... not reading is scummy dude.

No, the quote is "there was only 1 kill that night" not " and not a single kill happened". You're now twisting my words saying I'm not reading anything when you can't even understand what I've said and don't even have the balls to quote it properly. I believe your scum, whether your godfather or not doesn't matter to me, because I subscribe to the 3/2 camp right now, if it you or Calix/Firebringer, I don't care. As long as it's a mafia kill tonight I'm happy.

Also it wasn't you that pushed PoD's death it was SJ with Headshrinker Hammering him (I actually went into a slight paranoia stage at that point possibly thinking Superjack was Cloud who bussed Banana and was just playing us when I saw that...)

I'm the one that started a PoD train twice. First time failed and I didn't have proof anyway, second committed with proof/information and guess what... they were SK. I didn't say I hammered, I said I started. And you say I'm not reading posts... hypocrite.

Also not to mention you said you had a gun and Shot PoD on the same night when the host himself even cleared up that it was impossible for that to happen, I'm a bit suprised no one like SJ caught that. To me that looked like a scum saying "Hey look at my excuse to saying PoD Is immune!" Instead of pushing anyone else that day.

Caught what? I got a gun, I used it that night (I received at start of day, which is why I said it the way I did if you read my posts about it), I shot PoD. PoD didn't die, because SK is immune to death at night. I do not understand what you think is impossible about this situation.

Oh and also to reiterate my point that you barely read through any of the facts when you made your *case* against me:

^ I did. Not reading is scummy dude.

I missed a post... sue me.

I notice you conveniently ignored every other shred of evidence I presented. You know you can't refute it.

Honestly this is a three-way tie between us here. Pisskop alone can't break it which means that mayor is the decider here with his dual vote. SJ and Darkness both did have beef with you and they moved on ONLY because of the gladiator shenanigans and because I provided proof for PoDs role. Both never said that they we're town-reading you at any point(that I can remember, I'm not dredging up all 70+ posts to prove this one, but I think I'd remember a town-read on you). And SJ trusted my information as they accepted my PoD assertion and voted with me on PoD. Both of them died on the same night which is convenient for you not me. They both died the night prior to the day where they would have came to the same conclusion as me. You're scum.

Btw, you say I don't read... but in my post misread/misrepresented something I said 4 times from one single post. At least whatever mistakes I may have made, if any, were from multiple dozens of posts being collected together.

[QUOTE=AIVION;593805]I like this plan since I'm forced to retract my reads on your slot because it's a different player...

God replacements are confusing.[/QUOTE]

Forced to? Seriously? That's your excuse for voting me? It's either 3/2 or 4/1 at this point. if it's 3/2 then you're forced to kill scum or die today and you want to ignore Calix/firebringer just because they're new. See, this is very wishy/washy. It's a great way to distance them from each other. I believe very firmly now that this is 3/2 and our 2 are AIVION and Calix/Firebringer. I believe that AIVION is godfather.

Also,
[QUOTE=AIVION]
I suppose I should re-read some interactions earlier in the game to see if I can find any connections between either slot and Banana/HeadShrinker. Not sure if I will but It doesn't hurt.[/Quote]

What does Headshrinker have to do with anything? Do you believe he was suited?

Originally Posted by AIVION

I like this plan since I'm forced to retract my reads on your slot because it's a different player...

God replacements are confusing.

Forced to? Seriously? That's your excuse for voting me? It's either 3/2 or 4/1 at this point. if it's 3/2 then you're forced to kill scum or die today and you want to ignore Calix/firebringer just because they're new. See, this is very wishy/washy. It's a great way to distance them from each other. I believe very firmly now that this is 3/2 and our 2 are AIVION and Calix/Firebringer. I believe that AIVION is godfather.

Also,

Originally Posted by AIVION

I suppose I should re-read some interactions earlier in the game to see if I can find any connections between either slot and Banana/HeadShrinker. Not sure if I will but It doesn't hurt.

What does Headshrinker have to do with anything? Do you believe he was suited?

[QUOTE=Firebringer;593822]
Worst case scenario, Sak0 is town, and you are scum. But I highly doubt it right now.

Have fun with work.[/QUOTE]

Can't worse case scenario anymore. We're at the point in the game when it's win or lose. We must vote off a scum today or we lose.

I'm firmly placing you as number 2. I know you don't have many posts in this thread but you're not playing like you're town... saying things similar to 'worst case scenario' and such. We can't afford that shit, we're at either 4/1 or 3/2. I've always been leaning to Calix as slight scum, and considering who we have left if it's 4/1, then is AIVION. If it's 3/2 then it's AIVION and you. I'm voting AIVION and I'm not changing it unless PissKop says something reallllly scum or claims scum role. He doesn't fit how I read the game anyway. I just don't like the way he plays.

Originally Posted by Firebringer

Worst case scenario, Sak0 is town, and you are scum. But I highly doubt it right now.

Have fun with work.

Can't worse case scenario anymore. We're at the point in the game when it's win or lose. We must vote off a scum today or we lose.

I'm firmly placing you as number 2. I know you don't have many posts in this thread but you're not playing like you're town... saying things similar to 'worst case scenario' and such. We can't afford that shit, we're at either 4/1 or 3/2. I've always been leaning to Calix as slight scum, and considering who we have left if it's 4/1, then is AIVION. If it's 3/2 then it's AIVION and you. I'm voting AIVION and I'm not changing it unless PissKop says something reallllly scum or claims scum role. He doesn't fit how I read the game anyway. I just don't like the way he plays.

[QUOTE=Gyrlander;593847]I think we all agree saik0 is scum. I'll hammer him in some time[/QUOTE]

You might want to be damn sure of your call Gyrlander. If it's 3/2, and a scum isn't lynched today, then they win.

If we make it to night and make no lynch, then it's 2/2 tomorrow and they'll definitely run the rest of the game.
If we make a wrong kill today, it's 1/2 tomorrow, and they win.
If you kill right person then you have a chance, but very slim one.

If it's 4/1 then we're likely dealing with cloud on a remembered role. It may be tough to ID them properly because thy can make a claim on a TPR or something and not worry about falling out of the role. They're actions would always align because they actually have that roles position.

Why AIVION is EXTREMELY suspicious and likely godfather:

Up until about page 14 or 15 AIVION didn't contribute any and then there were 2 or 3 posts then nothing again for a long while, and was at the time on a short leash as they were at L-4 early on day 1.

After the whole Gyrlander debacle, for some ungodly reason the votes of AIVION vanished for day 1... like hiding under the rock and not saying anything made people forget they were pushing AIVION. AIVION came back on day one with only 2 hours remaining on timer hopped on the MattZed train without explanation and then disappeared again. Didn't say why or anything just "that sounds right."

Day 2 AIVION was at L-2

Only posted ~3-5 posts... one of which being his/her defense which was:

[QUOTE=AIVION;589066]Well here's my defense since I won't be on most of the day tomorrow:

I troll early on day 1, it's something I do to help relax myself and get into the game a bit better. I apologize for taking it a bit too far this time, the final fantasy theme really got to me, it did. But I guess I started getting into this game a bit too late... and when I got back near the end of the day, apparently my top scum-read turned out to be the mayor! What a twist. That really flipped this game over on it's head for me, and I sort of didn't really know what to think so I basically went with Mattzed (I read him as null to scum-lean For a while now, didn't like his interactions early game) And his buddying with the Mayor that I eventually read up on really was scummy to me, and to be honest I don't regret being the vote to lynch him for it, I don't. Take it with a grain of salt if you want.

But I shall claim, because why not? I'm a [color=#00FF00]Shinra Employee[/color], and proud of it. Lynch me if you want, It doesn't make a lick of difference to me. I'm basically a prisoner on deathrow now, and ready to join the dead.

My word of caution to all: If you are scumreading me because of my trolling earlier, Shame on you. Again, I apologize I did go a bit too far but shame on you. If you are scumreading me because of My vote on Mattzed, so be it. I just ask that you give everyone a glance over, like PowerofDeath here for example who is so eager to lynch me, it almost seems like he's voting me hoping for the easy lynch on me.

Make the right call Shinra, I believe you can do it. :)[/QUOTE]

and then vanished again. For some reason votes fell off again real quick(likely partners pushing game in another direction). Then the PissKop 'I played a materia, but really didn't and it's my role' thing happened... so nobody questioned AIVION again for day 2. Nobody even noticed that after their defense which was relatively early in the day, AIVION didn't show back up at all... Didn't weigh in on anything happening during the day. Voted WITH Calix(new guy now), who I believe to be likely #2 on scum currently. And conveniently never spoke about BananaCucho's probable/likely Scum role until day 3.

I think that we can all agree that BananaCucho was likely a suited scum at this point. It makes sense and fits...

Day 3 AIVION early voted Calix (likely second scum)
then unvoted because calix substituted in. And then because of BananaCucho's death speculated hard that DarknessB was also scum, which we know isn't true and I don't think anyone else really thought he was scum. Posted a HUGE post claiming Calix is scum which can be an easy Mafia play of 'we'll sacrifice you so they trust me and then they won't lynch me 'til it's too late' or 'I'll vote you to distance us from each other' which works great since nobody else was voting Calix/Firebringer it is safe to do this. <Keep this in mind, because after that huge post shouldn't AIVION still be pushing Calix/Firebringer today? No, that doesn't work because there's too few people now, they need to shift their aim at a town... me.>

SuperJack didn't believe AIVION to be innocent on day 2 and was voted by AIVION on D2 conveniently SJ died Night 3 which is when SJ would have figured it out for sure as I have today.

AIVION has had issues with DarknessB early who's conveniently dead right now. Especially since DarknessB was likely to target AIVION today after finding out HeadShrinker was town.

AIVION DIDN'T vote off BananaCucho because they were teamed and it didn't benefit them on Day 2.

Now on day 4 AIVION is targetting me when I'm the one who pushed SK death successfully and voted off BananaCucho. I'm town who's pieced together AIVION's shit and they know it so they want to kill me.

Gyrlander... Also, remember that night you roleblocked AIVION and there was only 1 kill that night? I brought it up in post #871, that it's pretty damning. That fits in with everything else here.

AIVION is fucking scum. And we need to vote off scum now otherwise we lose.

Originally Posted by Gyrlander

I think we all agree saik0 is scum. I'll hammer him in some time

You might want to be damn sure of your call Gyrlander. If it's 3/2, and a scum isn't lynched today, then they win.

If we make it to night and make no lynch, then it's 2/2 tomorrow and they'll definitely run the rest of the game.
If we make a wrong kill today, it's 1/2 tomorrow, and they win.
If you kill right person then you have a chance, but very slim one.

If it's 4/1 then we're likely dealing with cloud on a remembered role. It may be tough to ID them properly because thy can make a claim on a TPR or something and not worry about falling out of the role. They're actions would always align because they actually have that roles position.

Why AIVION is EXTREMELY suspicious and likely godfather:

Up until about page 14 or 15 AIVION didn't contribute any and then there were 2 or 3 posts then nothing again for a long while, and was at the time on a short leash as they were at L-4 early on day 1.

After the whole Gyrlander debacle, for some ungodly reason the votes of AIVION vanished for day 1... like hiding under the rock and not saying anything made people forget they were pushing AIVION. AIVION came back on day one with only 2 hours remaining on timer hopped on the MattZed train without explanation and then disappeared again. Didn't say why or anything just "that sounds right."

Day 2 AIVION was at L-2

Only posted ~3-5 posts... one of which being his/her defense which was:

Originally Posted by AIVION

Well here's my defense since I won't be on most of the day tomorrow:

I troll early on day 1, it's something I do to help relax myself and get into the game a bit better. I apologize for taking it a bit too far this time, the final fantasy theme really got to me, it did. But I guess I started getting into this game a bit too late... and when I got back near the end of the day, apparently my top scum-read turned out to be the mayor! What a twist. That really flipped this game over on it's head for me, and I sort of didn't really know what to think so I basically went with Mattzed (I read him as null to scum-lean For a while now, didn't like his interactions early game) And his buddying with the Mayor that I eventually read up on really was scummy to me, and to be honest I don't regret being the vote to lynch him for it, I don't. Take it with a grain of salt if you want.

But I shall claim, because why not? I'm a Shinra Employee, and proud of it. Lynch me if you want, It doesn't make a lick of difference to me. I'm basically a prisoner on deathrow now, and ready to join the dead.

My word of caution to all: If you are scumreading me because of my trolling earlier, Shame on you. Again, I apologize I did go a bit too far but shame on you. If you are scumreading me because of My vote on Mattzed, so be it. I just ask that you give everyone a glance over, like PowerofDeath here for example who is so eager to lynch me, it almost seems like he's voting me hoping for the easy lynch on me.

Make the right call Shinra, I believe you can do it.

and then vanished again. For some reason votes fell off again real quick(likely partners pushing game in another direction). Then the PissKop 'I played a materia, but really didn't and it's my role' thing happened... so nobody questioned AIVION again for day 2. Nobody even noticed that after their defense which was relatively early in the day, AIVION didn't show back up at all... Didn't weigh in on anything happening during the day. Voted WITH Calix(new guy now), who I believe to be likely #2 on scum currently. And conveniently never spoke about BananaCucho's probable/likely Scum role until day 3.

I think that we can all agree that BananaCucho was likely a suited scum at this point. It makes sense and fits...

Day 3 AIVION early voted Calix (likely second scum)
then unvoted because calix substituted in. And then because of BananaCucho's death speculated hard that DarknessB was also scum, which we know isn't true and I don't think anyone else really thought he was scum. Posted a HUGE post claiming Calix is scum which can be an easy Mafia play of 'we'll sacrifice you so they trust me and then they won't lynch me 'til it's too late' or 'I'll vote you to distance us from each other' which works great since nobody else was voting Calix/Firebringer it is safe to do this.

SuperJack didn't believe AIVION to be innocent on day 2 and was voted by AIVION on D2 conveniently SJ died Night 3 which is when SJ would have figured it out for sure as I have today.

AIVION has had issues with DarknessB early who's conveniently dead right now. Especially since DarknessB was likely to target AIVION today after finding out HeadShrinker was town.

AIVION DIDN'T vote off BananaCucho because they were teamed and it didn't benefit them on Day 2.

Now on day 4 AIVION is targetting me when I'm the one who pushed SK death successfully and voted off BananaCucho. I'm town who's pieced together AIVION's shit and they know it so they want to kill me.

Gyrlander... Also, remember that night you roleblocked AIVION and there was only 1 kill that night? I brought it up in post #871, that it's pretty damning. That fits in with everything else here.

AIVION is fucking scum. And we need to vote off scum now otherwise we lose.

Based on the information I stated previously and until someone can provide me with other information...

[vote]AIVION[/vote]

Based on the information I stated previously and until someone can provide me with other information...

-vote AIVION

[QUOTE=Saik0Shinigami;593656][...]it could be that AIVION is mafia playing more neutral to hide... maybe godfather?[/QUOTE]

If it's 3/2 remaining, then my bet is on Firebringer/Calix as second.

I wish I could continue my tirade and hate against PissKop, but at this point it isn't him and I'm sure of it.

Originally Posted by Saik0Shinigami

[...]it could be that AIVION is mafia playing more neutral to hide... maybe godfather?

If it's 3/2 remaining, then my bet is on Firebringer/Calix as second.

I wish I could continue my tirade and hate against PissKop, but at this point it isn't him and I'm sure of it.

[QUOTE=Firebringer;593590]
Roles Left:
Wait... confused here

Rufus Shinra
Turk/Shinra Executive
Shinra Employee
?

I am confused on this, this should be 3 scum.[/QUOTE]

There was 3 scum at start, there were more roles than there were scum. So not all roles have been chosen. What you copied here were just the role categories that town can be in. You have to open ALL the 'spoiler' tagged items to see the actual roles.

Game started with 9 town, 3 scum, 1 Serial Killer.

We're down to either 3/2 or 4/1

Originally Posted by Firebringer

Roles Left:
Wait... confused here

Rufus Shinra
Turk/Shinra Executive
Shinra Employee
?

I am confused on this, this should be 3 scum.

There was 3 scum at start, there were more roles than there were scum. So not all roles have been chosen. What you copied here were just the role categories that town can be in. You have to open ALL the 'spoiler' tagged items to see the actual roles.

Game started with 9 town, 3 scum, 1 Serial Killer.

We're down to either 3/2 or 4/1

It's a shame that Headshrinker died. I called it since the beginning he was town. He played like it. It makes sense that EITHER SJ or darkness would die. I don't know how both did. But that makes it odd that Darkness would go after him so hard as to go and kill him rather than someone like AIVION who had multiple trains fail on him/her(suspicious), has been very aloof(suspicious), hasn't weighed in on much especially when it comes to the harder choices/decisions (very suspicious). IF PoD didn't turn up as SK (I was sure he was) I would have put it on AIVION to be SK, it could be that AIVION is mafia playing more neutral to hide... maybe godfather?

It's a shame that Headshrinker died. I called it since the beginning he was town. He played like it. It makes sense that EITHER SJ or darkness would die. I don't know how both did. But that makes it odd that Darkness would go after him so hard as to go and kill him rather than someone like AIVION who had multiple trains fail on him/her(suspicious), has been very aloof(suspicious), hasn't weighed in on much especially when it comes to the harder choices/decisions (very suspicious). IF PoD didn't turn up as SK (I was sure he was) I would have put it on AIVION to be SK, it could be that AIVION is mafia playing more neutral to hide... maybe godfather?

[QUOTE=Gyrlander;593583]Wait... 3 people died... 1 MAFIA 1 DARKNESS GUN 1 ??? (sk or the other gun) Seriously, people not making LW is really upsetting. If here is a townie who used a gun talk NOW.[/QUOTE]

Darkness's LW says he used gun on Headshrinker. He used the gun.

Originally Posted by Gyrlander

Wait... 3 people died... 1 MAFIA 1 DARKNESS GUN 1 ??? (sk or the other gun) Seriously, people not making LW is really upsetting. If here is a townie who used a gun talk NOW.

Darkness's LW says he used gun on Headshrinker. He used the gun.

I'll it's very unlikely.

I'll it's very unlikely.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;592065]There would never be 2 Tsengs. They are a shit role that can detect only 50% of scum.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shifty;584197]
PR roles are not unique, no.
[/QUOTE]

Soooooo... there could have been 2 Tseng if the random generator demanded it...

Originally Posted by SuperJack

There would never be 2 Tsengs. They are a shit role that can detect only 50% of scum.

Originally Posted by Shifty

PR roles are not unique, no.

Soooooo... there could have been 2 Tseng if the random generator demanded it...

[QUOTE=SuperJack;592011]You said you got a gun and shot him the same night lol.


Also why not reveal this earlier?[/QUOTE]

Eh well it's same to me. Couldn't use it until last night.

Reveal earlier? As in yesterday? So I got killed before I could use it and find out results?

Or do you mean today? I was hoping to fish out someone else with it a bit, but decided that I don't care about that anymore. It's better to place all my information out there at this point. If I die for it, then oh well.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

You said you got a gun and shot him the same night lol.


Also why not reveal this earlier?

Eh well it's same to me. Couldn't use it until last night.

Reveal earlier? As in yesterday? So I got killed before I could use it and find out results?

Or do you mean today? I was hoping to fish out someone else with it a bit, but decided that I don't care about that anymore. It's better to place all my information out there at this point. If I die for it, then oh well.

[QUOTE=Saik0Shinigami;591999]How what? GF gave me gun, I used on PoD... PoD is still alive and GF is now dead. I don't understand what is so hard to figure out.[/QUOTE]

I'm actually surprised and hurt that GF didn't put their actions in their will. but that was likely to protect the people given to.

Originally Posted by Saik0Shinigami

How what? GF gave me gun, I used on PoD... PoD is still alive and GF is now dead. I don't understand what is so hard to figure out.

I'm actually surprised and hurt that GF didn't put their actions in their will. but that was likely to protect the people given to.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;591998][MENTION=28214]Saik0Shinigami[/MENTION][/QUOTE]

How what? GF gave me gun, I used on PoD... PoD is still alive and GF is now dead. I don't understand what is so hard to figure out.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

@Saik0Shinigami

How what? GF gave me gun, I used on PoD... PoD is still alive and GF is now dead. I don't understand what is so hard to figure out.

[QUOTE=Saik0Shinigami;591913]giving[/QUOTE]

Given...

Originally Posted by Saik0Shinigami

giving

Given...

[QUOTE=DarknessB;591910]Why are you so curious about whether anyone has guns or vests? I feel like this is a question only scum would want to know in terms of neutralizing those folks to increase their chances of victory.[/QUOTE]

Because I would want to see if I could catch someone in a poor soft-claim again a-la PissKop.

I was giving gun by GF last night. I attempted to use it on PoD. Guess who's still alive. PoD is either cloud or SK.

Originally Posted by DarknessB

Why are you so curious about whether anyone has guns or vests? I feel like this is a question only scum would want to know in terms of neutralizing those folks to increase their chances of victory.

Because I would want to see if I could catch someone in a poor soft-claim again a-la PissKop.

I was giving gun by GF last night. I attempted to use it on PoD. Guess who's still alive. PoD is either cloud or SK.

[QUOTE=Gyrlander;591898]I'm sure we want to keep that information confidential.[/QUOTE]

How-so? If they've received it I would hope they would have used or attempted to use it by now.

Originally Posted by Gyrlander

I'm sure we want to keep that information confidential.

How-so? If they've received it I would hope they would have used or attempted to use it by now.

[QUOTE=AIVION;591892]uhhh... Yay?

Well, have fun catching up.



Also is ANYONE gonna comment on my earlier Thought process...? Or am I posting to a wall here?[/QUOTE]

You posted a wall... so yeah. With scarlet dead, has anyone gotten a gun or bullet vest? Did GF use their skill at all?

Originally Posted by AIVION

uhhh... Yay?

Well, have fun catching up.



Also is ANYONE gonna comment on my earlier Thought process...? Or am I posting to a wall here?

You posted a wall... so yeah. With scarlet dead, has anyone gotten a gun or bullet vest? Did GF use their skill at all?

[QUOTE=SuperJack;591519][MENTION=28214]Saik0Shinigami[/MENTION]

Why the no-posting?[/QUOTE]

Filing FAFSA since I am trying to settle my shit for going to college in fall semester. I'm already late. Don't worry my vote and reasoning still stand. I am convinced PoD is SK and I am tired of voting people who I slight-read as town then finding out they are indeed town.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

@Saik0Shinigami

Why the no-posting?

Filing FAFSA since I am trying to settle my shit for going to college in fall semester. I'm already late. Don't worry my vote and reasoning still stand. I am convinced PoD is SK and I am tired of voting people who I slight-read as town then finding out they are indeed town.

Before this 1v1 bullshit two days in a row, I had been pushing for PoD. I'm back on that vote now. These past 2 days have proven to me more and more that you guys can't play for shit. Killing town day after day just because you all want to act shady as shit. SJ was read town by dead cop. Regardless of SJ's actual role, to me that's 'verified' town. Pisskop... I'm coming for you next.

[vote]powerofdeath[/vote]

Nothing you've said has ever convinced me you were town. You either cop out and give poor responses or minimal responses to everything that actually matters. You've given me poor stats and data for me to read you properly. You sit negative in my matrix information. I believe you are SK as you do not have datapoints linking you to another cooperative player. I previously said that I was voting PoD based on lack of information, now it makes sense I had no information. At the time he was playing super neutral and unbiased and most importantly as unreadable as he could. These are traits of a SK that is passively teasing out roles to kill.

Before this 1v1 bullshit two days in a row, I had been pushing for PoD. I'm back on that vote now. These past 2 days have proven to me more and more that you guys can't play for shit. Killing town day after day just because you all want to act shady as shit. SJ was read town by dead cop. Regardless of SJ's actual role, to me that's 'verified' town. Pisskop... I'm coming for you next.

-vote powerofdeath

Nothing you've said has ever convinced me you were town. You either cop out and give poor responses or minimal responses to everything that actually matters. You've given me poor stats and data for me to read you properly. You sit negative in my matrix information. I believe you are SK as you do not have datapoints linking you to another cooperative player. I previously said that I was voting PoD based on lack of information, now it makes sense I had no information. At the time he was playing super neutral and unbiased and most importantly as unreadable as he could. These are traits of a SK that is passively teasing out roles to kill.

[QUOTE=pisskop;590759][...]We have Darkness/SJ to kill. And SJ is first[/QUOTE]

Banana said they investigated SJ and got Town read back... SJ is not on the chop block yet no matter how much they claimed a bullshit role at least not for being mafia. Need to explain what the fuck they claimed a role they probably don't have though.

Originally Posted by pisskop

[...]We have Darkness/SJ to kill. And SJ is first

Banana said they investigated SJ and got Town read back... SJ is not on the chop block yet no matter how much they claimed a bullshit role at least not for being mafia. Need to explain what the fuck they claimed a role they probably don't have though.

[QUOTE=Gyrlander;589903]Who is... shakira?[/QUOTE]

I suppose me...

Originally Posted by Gyrlander

Who is... shakira?

I suppose me...

[QUOTE=pisskop;589902]:o

saiko saiko
you shoud tell us about your feelz
[/QUOTE]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/aUbk9ha.gif[/IMG]

I suppose I have to. These forced 1v1 are weird.
[Vote]BananaCucho[/Vote]

On this 1v1 I literally have no idea. I think it's TvT bullshit again. If Banana flips TPR/Cop, then SJ needs to die immediately. The problem is I don't know what role SJ would be filling if not town. I don't read enough people as mafia if I accept that SJ is one.

Originally Posted by pisskop

:o

saiko saiko
you shoud tell us about your feelz

I suppose I have to. These forced 1v1 are weird.

-vote BananaCucho

On this 1v1 I literally have no idea. I think it's TvT bullshit again. If Banana flips TPR/Cop, then SJ needs to die immediately. The problem is I don't know what role SJ would be filling if not town. I don't read enough people as mafia if I accept that SJ is one.

[QUOTE=Saik0Shinigami;589751]Uhhh this doesn't make sense to me... It clearly says that "you will [B]NOT[/B] be notified" So how are they told if it fails?[/QUOTE]

I misquoted wrong post... Whatever. Your first purple line.

"Target one player at night, roleblocking them.
You will not be notified if the roleblock is unsuccessful."

Says NOT notified. So please tell me how "Since you have never told us that you received feedback saying your roleblock failed." happens?

Originally Posted by Saik0Shinigami

Uhhh this doesn't make sense to me... It clearly says that "you will NOT be notified" So how are they told if it fails?

I misquoted wrong post... Whatever. Your first purple line.

"Target one player at night, roleblocking them.
You will not be notified if the roleblock is unsuccessful."

Says NOT notified. So please tell me how "Since you have never told us that you received feedback saying your roleblock failed." happens?

[QUOTE=SuperJack;589728]DarknessB cannot be Sephiroth or Cloud Strife.

Since you have never told us that you received feedback saying your roleblock failed.

Which leaves two slots for DarknessB to be [COLOR="#FF0000"]Red Scum[/COLOR].
And since one of them slots is own by Banana.

There is only 1 left for DarknessB. So you are claiming that DarknessB is Banana's scum buddy.[/QUOTE]

Uhhh this doesn't make sense to me... It clearly says that "you will [B]NOT[/B] be notified" So how are they told if it fails?

Originally Posted by SuperJack

DarknessB cannot be Sephiroth or Cloud Strife.

Since you have never told us that you received feedback saying your roleblock failed.

Which leaves two slots for DarknessB to be Red Scum.
And since one of them slots is own by Banana.

There is only 1 left for DarknessB. So you are claiming that DarknessB is Banana's scum buddy.

Uhhh this doesn't make sense to me... It clearly says that "you will NOT be notified" So how are they told if it fails?

[unvote][/unvote]

The fuck is happening. I need a xanax.

-unvote

The fuck is happening. I need a xanax.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;589385]Don't forget the mz v be a yesterday. Everyone seems to have forgotten it.[/QUOTE]

I've posted 3-4 times about it, looking for other peoples feelings about it.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

Don't forget the mz v be a yesterday. Everyone seems to have forgotten it.

I've posted 3-4 times about it, looking for other peoples feelings about it.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;589374]My case started from "he was on all 3 town trains, like banana was. along with seeing pisskop being unnoticed.


And Yeh. The hole pisskop has dug is just shows he is scum.[/QUOTE]

Can I assume then that you will be investigating him tonight so we can do proper lynch tomorrow? Considering your read on banana this seems like the best course of action. Assuming you are truly Tseng/Cop.

Btw, I'm waiting on Banana to show up before I will start to entertain the fact that you are Cop, just to disclose. Since we can't verify your claim until you die there's nothing to prove your claim other than lack of claims from another 'cop'.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

My case started from "he was on all 3 town trains, like banana was. along with seeing pisskop being unnoticed.


And Yeh. The hole pisskop has dug is just shows he is scum.

Can I assume then that you will be investigating him tonight so we can do proper lynch tomorrow? Considering your read on banana this seems like the best course of action. Assuming you are truly Tseng/Cop.

Btw, I'm waiting on Banana to show up before I will start to entertain the fact that you are Cop, just to disclose. Since we can't verify your claim until you die there's nothing to prove your claim other than lack of claims from another 'cop'.

[QUOTE=Saik0Shinigami;589351][vote]BananCucho[/vote]

I'll come back to you later PissKop[/QUOTE]

[vote]BananaCucho[/vote]
apparently I can't spell

Originally Posted by Saik0Shinigami

-vote BananCucho

I'll come back to you later PissKop

-vote BananaCucho

apparently I can't spell

[vote]BananCucho[/vote]

I'll come back to you later PissKop

-vote BananCucho

I'll come back to you later PissKop

[QUOTE=pisskop;589342]Did I say that? Or did I say that people are ignoring it? In my origianl case on Dark, did I mention his posts were weak/noncentent?


See, youre not looking for scum. Youre looking for an excuse to justify yourself.[/QUOTE]

You didn't mention ANYTHING. You even said this yourself. "Why I didnt type out a huge case on him is because its much more effective to let people make their own conclusions rather than make those..."

You didn't make a case at all. What you did was quote a bunch of shit. Write 2 relevant sentences, then speculated, then called for a vote. THEN YOU WAIVED AROUND A BULLSHIT MATERIA PLAY AND CHANGED YOUR STORY TWICE.

Originally Posted by pisskop

Did I say that? Or did I say that people are ignoring it? In my origianl case on Dark, did I mention his posts were weak/noncentent?


See, youre not looking for scum. Youre looking for an excuse to justify yourself.

You didn't mention ANYTHING. You even said this yourself. "Why I didnt type out a huge case on him is because its much more effective to let people make their own conclusions rather than make those..."

You didn't make a case at all. What you did was quote a bunch of shit. Write 2 relevant sentences, then speculated, then called for a vote. THEN YOU WAIVED AROUND A BULLSHIT MATERIA PLAY AND CHANGED YOUR STORY TWICE.

[QUOTE=pisskop;589339]Thats right. Theyre neglected while you wallow in this Illogic.



Still people ignore how terribly weak Dark has performed. Still I cannot get those who are the worst offenders to be brought forth.[/QUOTE]

So now your argument is vote darkness because he's performed weak?

Originally Posted by pisskop

Thats right. Theyre neglected while you wallow in this Illogic.



Still people ignore how terribly weak Dark has performed. Still I cannot get those who are the worst offenders to be brought forth.

So now your argument is vote darkness because he's performed weak?

[QUOTE=pisskop;589337]and still you neglect these reads then? methinks you talk more than chew[/QUOTE]

I haven't neglected. I'm telling you they're insubstantial.

Originally Posted by pisskop

and still you neglect these reads then? methinks you talk more than chew

I haven't neglected. I'm telling you they're insubstantial.

[QUOTE=pisskop;589325]
And yet through my continued efforts you are making them slowly.[/QUOTE]
No. If you think you've presented me new information you are naive. D1 I speculated MZ and DarknessB team shenanigans. I still suspect DarknessB. Nothing you've presented has been anything I've overlooked. On basis of merit, relationship data, and my own inferences, I have other people who are more likely than darknessB to be scum.

Originally Posted by pisskop

And yet through my continued efforts you are making them slowly.

No. If you think you've presented me new information you are naive. D1 I speculated MZ and DarknessB team shenanigans. I still suspect DarknessB. Nothing you've presented has been anything I've overlooked. On basis of merit, relationship data, and my own inferences, I have other people who are more likely than darknessB to be scum.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;589315]This. The fight is stupid. Would rather see this get pressured

[Vote]powerofdeath[/vote][/QUOTE]

If that's your sentiment then cool. But this was written before it came out that he lied about materia and his supposed TPR

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

This. The fight is stupid. Would rather see this get pressured

-vote powerofdeath

If that's your sentiment then cool. But this was written before it came out that he lied about materia and his supposed TPR

[QUOTE=pisskop;589300]saiko - holy crap the kid must have come from a site where everyone is honest henrys or something. Lives in a box and doesnt seem to know how to come out of it.[/QUOTE]

I come from a site where you need substantial evidence to make a case. There's virtually no reason to lie as a town. Maybe withhold information. But if you were so sure of your case for Darkness it shouldn't have required BS materia claim. Your claim doesn't even help your case. I've read your post on Darkness twice now since you've posted it twice and it's not compelling.

Here let me tell you every reason why your shit isn't compelling to me. In order from your list:
1) He was providing a narrative here that was appropriate for the time.
2) He isn't a mind reader and didn't know that someone else was willing to push to end. In the end he was attempting to give a Townie a chance(we know this after the fact)
3) The fuck is meatspace? Is this a term or something?
4) You didn't even comment on this one. It's your claim, do the fucking work
5) same as #4. This is a legitimate conclusion to make since that's all the data we had at the time. It was also the same conclusion I made since I originally wanted to vote PoD but was forced by Matt to join his train since he wanted to act so damn scummy. Just the same as your doing here. It's too fucking scummy.

Stop acting scum and people won't assume you are. Quack like a duck and people will assume you are one.


Yes I can agree that DarknessB's quotes there appear just a little flip-floppy in the way you presented them and suspicious, but not enough to pull my eyes away from my own list. On the other hand, lying about Materia and night actions and then soft-claiming a TPR when you got caught [B]does[/B] warrant me looking at you over my list.

Originally Posted by pisskop

saiko - holy crap the kid must have come from a site where everyone is honest henrys or something. Lives in a box and doesnt seem to know how to come out of it.

I come from a site where you need substantial evidence to make a case. There's virtually no reason to lie as a town. Maybe withhold information. But if you were so sure of your case for Darkness it shouldn't have required BS materia claim. Your claim doesn't even help your case. I've read your post on Darkness twice now since you've posted it twice and it's not compelling.

Here let me tell you every reason why your shit isn't compelling to me. In order from your list:
1) He was providing a narrative here that was appropriate for the time.
2) He isn't a mind reader and didn't know that someone else was willing to push to end. In the end he was attempting to give a Townie a chance(we know this after the fact)
3) The fuck is meatspace? Is this a term or something?
4) You didn't even comment on this one. It's your claim, do the fucking work
5) same as #4. This is a legitimate conclusion to make since that's all the data we had at the time. It was also the same conclusion I made since I originally wanted to vote PoD but was forced by Matt to join his train since he wanted to act so damn scummy. Just the same as your doing here. It's too fucking scummy.

Stop acting scum and people won't assume you are. Quack like a duck and people will assume you are one.


Yes I can agree that DarknessB's quotes there appear just a little flip-floppy in the way you presented them and suspicious, but not enough to pull my eyes away from my own list. On the other hand, lying about Materia and night actions and then soft-claiming a TPR when you got caught does warrant me looking at you over my list.

[QUOTE=pisskop;589278]Ive done [i]all[/i] of the heavy lifting today so far.

We have saiko who cant logic their way out of a paper bagand waffles around because its ruled by feelings, Gyro who even types my name wrong in votes, and Dark who is also ignoring my point about how he played yesterday.[/QUOTE]

I've given you my reasons for everything you brought up and you want to sit there a degrade and bullshit me when you've yet to counter a SINGLE point I've made with anything that actually makes any real sense. You're response have been 'figure it out' when you made the claim. Fuck that. you're the one making the damn claim, tell us why. Not 'figure out why I'm making this claim'.

Originally Posted by pisskop

Ive done all of the heavy lifting today so far.

We have saiko who cant logic their way out of a paper bagand waffles around because its ruled by feelings, Gyro who even types my name wrong in votes, and Dark who is also ignoring my point about how he played yesterday.

I've given you my reasons for everything you brought up and you want to sit there a degrade and bullshit me when you've yet to counter a SINGLE point I've made with anything that actually makes any real sense. You're response have been 'figure it out' when you made the claim. Fuck that. you're the one making the damn claim, tell us why. Not 'figure out why I'm making this claim'.

[QUOTE=pisskop;589262]Liek thats the part you cant really explain.

Why I outed hat I blocked Dark should be obvious enough.
Why I didnt out that I was PR should be even more obvious.
Why I am forced to claim now is that you suck at putting together the pieces.[/QUOTE]

1) No, it's not obvious
EVEN IF you had the materia and role blocked and no one else claimed. Gyrlander already blocked AIVION. You're Block doesn't shine any real suspicions on DarknessB... as a matter of fact all it does is make the block on AIVION garbage data.

2) Sure, can agree here. But why out anything with incomplete data?

3) You now have to out your 'role' because you suck at getting all the information together and piecing together a real case. Instead you now have to out your 'role' to make your case more substantial... except it's still lacking because we're still split on if DarknessB had a role to roleblock. My suspicions on DarknessB have waned a while ago. I found it more productive to go after PoD or look into AIVION. I'm still on the fence of DarknessB or Calix being the third Mafia at the moment. So you do not make a compelling case just based on 'I roleblocked him last night so he must be mafia'

Originally Posted by pisskop

Liek thats the part you cant really explain.

Why I outed hat I blocked Dark should be obvious enough.
Why I didnt out that I was PR should be even more obvious.
Why I am forced to claim now is that you suck at putting together the pieces.

1) No, it's not obvious
EVEN IF you had the materia and role blocked and no one else claimed. Gyrlander already blocked AIVION. You're Block doesn't shine any real suspicions on DarknessB... as a matter of fact all it does is make the block on AIVION garbage data.

2) Sure, can agree here. But why out anything with incomplete data?

3) You now have to out your 'role' because you suck at getting all the information together and piecing together a real case. Instead you now have to out your 'role' to make your case more substantial... except it's still lacking because we're still split on if DarknessB had a role to roleblock. My suspicions on DarknessB have waned a while ago. I found it more productive to go after PoD or look into AIVION. I'm still on the fence of DarknessB or Calix being the third Mafia at the moment. So you do not make a compelling case just based on 'I roleblocked him last night so he must be mafia'

[QUOTE=pisskop;589253]See, I never accused anyone of lying. Youre just being an eager beaver who isnt addressing the points raised against you.[/QUOTE]

It's not a valid point you raised when you base it off of a lie... which is that you materia'd which you didn't actually have. If you're looking to change your excuse now to 'I'm TPR blocker', that is now super shady. Why in the world do you think you would look good on so little information when half the damn players haven't posted yet and someone else was likely to get the second Materia and post about it?

Originally Posted by pisskop

See, I never accused anyone of lying. Youre just being an eager beaver who isnt addressing the points raised against you.

It's not a valid point you raised when you base it off of a lie... which is that you materia'd which you didn't actually have. If you're looking to change your excuse now to 'I'm TPR blocker', that is now super shady. Why in the world do you think you would look good on so little information when half the damn players haven't posted yet and someone else was likely to get the second Materia and post about it?

[QUOTE=pisskop;589250]Its apparent that you guys aren't exactly keen on softclaiming.

Im the roleblcoker.[/QUOTE]

Is this the meta on this site? Dig myself a hole so deep I have to claim a role in order to fix anything at all?!

Originally Posted by pisskop

Its apparent that you guys aren't exactly keen on softclaiming.

Im the roleblcoker.

Is this the meta on this site? Dig myself a hole so deep I have to claim a role in order to fix anything at all?!

[QUOTE=SuperJack;589243][Unvote][/unvote]

Still a lot to discuss.[/QUOTE]

The discussion now is simple... I doubt Gyrlander lied about his materia... especially after his plays yesterday. He's not going to go for bold things like that anymore especially since it doesn't help his case as superTPR.

So either PissKop is lying and trying to shift to DarknessB, or Headshrinker is lying and isn't shifting to anyone.

Which one looks more shady to you... I stand by my read that PissKop isn't Mafia. But I understand that I have a terrible habit of reading SK as town. This 'mistake' makes too much sense to me to fit SK motive. Somehow PissKop got himself to L-2 and realized nobody claimed second materia and thought he could use that to get the heat off himself. Which is really bold so early in the day.

I currently believe PissKop is SK.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

-unvote

Still a lot to discuss.

The discussion now is simple... I doubt Gyrlander lied about his materia... especially after his plays yesterday. He's not going to go for bold things like that anymore especially since it doesn't help his case as superTPR.

So either PissKop is lying and trying to shift to DarknessB, or Headshrinker is lying and isn't shifting to anyone.

Which one looks more shady to you... I stand by my read that PissKop isn't Mafia. But I understand that I have a terrible habit of reading SK as town. This 'mistake' makes too much sense to me to fit SK motive. Somehow PissKop got himself to L-2 and realized nobody claimed second materia and thought he could use that to get the heat off himself. Which is really bold so early in the day.

I currently believe PissKop is SK.

I firmly don't believe Pisskop is mafia. He doesn't align that way in my notes. This leaves SK slot.

I firmly don't believe Pisskop is mafia. He doesn't align that way in my notes. This leaves SK slot.