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Having known both the peaks and the valleys of public life, I have learned that you cannot really appreciate the heights unless you have also experienced the depths.

Having known both the peaks and the valleys of public life, I have learned that you cannot really appreciate the heights unless you have also experienced the depths.

[QUOTE=Richard Nixon;751377]Also, to be fair, Jefferson didn’t know how to vote and Lincoln would otherwise have been hammered, lol. But thank you SJ for the very informative post[/QUOTE]

Oh I can dump this account now!

Originally Posted by Richard Nixon

Also, to be fair, Jefferson didn’t know how to vote and Lincoln would otherwise have been hammered, lol. But thank you SJ for the very informative post

Oh I can dump this account now!

Also, to be fair, Jefferson didn’t know how to vote and Lincoln would otherwise have been hammered, lol. But thank you SJ for the very informative post

Also, to be fair, Jefferson didn’t know how to vote and Lincoln would otherwise have been hammered, lol. But thank you SJ for the very informative post

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751366]Don't push him too hard, he'll be thinking you're trying to manipulate him. That being said, Trump, here's what's happened:

I pointed out why Nixon has to be scum and Reagan, who was townreading me, instantly changed his opinion about me when I got to L-2 and tried to get people to hammer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Richard Nixon;751253]Did you read anything beyond the post you quoted here?
Of course I still scumread him, he repeatedly ignored my GOOD arguments and didn't respond to those posts and instead just focused on whether or not I comhunted and whether or not I am a bully. I left him with 4 great questions:




His response, which ignores 3 of them and gives a terrible reply to the first one:




Then he said:



He literally just quit at that point instead of answering the questions and came back later after the dust had settled and he was no longer the focus.


Eventually, Clinton called him out for running away from those questions:



Lincoln finally responds with this:



I respond with this:



and Lincoln responds with this, again ignoring 3 and 4




For me Lincoln is 99% scum, he tried to push a turbo lynch on me without letting me defend myself and then he failed miserably in giving good reasons for his actions when I actually did defend myself.[/QUOTE]

No, this is what happened

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Don't push him too hard, he'll be thinking you're trying to manipulate him. That being said, Trump, here's what's happened:

I pointed out why Nixon has to be scum and Reagan, who was townreading me, instantly changed his opinion about me when I got to L-2 and tried to get people to hammer.

Originally Posted by Richard Nixon

Did you read anything beyond the post you quoted here?
Of course I still scumread him, he repeatedly ignored my GOOD arguments and didn't respond to those posts and instead just focused on whether or not I comhunted and whether or not I am a bully. I left him with 4 great questions:




His response, which ignores 3 of them and gives a terrible reply to the first one:




Then he said:



He literally just quit at that point instead of answering the questions and came back later after the dust had settled and he was no longer the focus.


Eventually, Clinton called him out for running away from those questions:



Lincoln finally responds with this:



I respond with this:



and Lincoln responds with this, again ignoring 3 and 4




For me Lincoln is 99% scum, he tried to push a turbo lynch on me without letting me defend myself and then he failed miserably in giving good reasons for his actions when I actually did defend myself.

No, this is what happened

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751363][MENTION=31878]Donald Trump[/MENTION] you have 25 minutes to VERY RAPIDLY form an opinion and based off of that, to Lynch. Personally in your case I would already be voting Reagan.[/QUOTE]

If I were him I would vote you

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

@Donald Trump you have 25 minutes to VERY RAPIDLY form an opinion and based off of that, to Lynch. Personally in your case I would already be voting Reagan.

If I were him I would vote you

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751359]OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
Vote Nixon or Reagan asap[/QUOTE]

He has 30 minutes, you need to let him read.

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
Vote Nixon or Reagan asap

He has 30 minutes, you need to let him read.

[QUOTE=George Bush;751348]I"m a pretty fucking patient guy. And Lincoln, you've burned through that.

Part of mafia is being able to work with the town to get things done.

Jefferson didn't hammer you, making him confirmed town in your eyes, yet you're asking to lynch him.[/QUOTE]

Yes... because Lincoln is scum and I think that was made abundantly clear in his argument with me

Originally Posted by George Bush

I"m a pretty fucking patient guy. And Lincoln, you've burned through that.

Part of mafia is being able to work with the town to get things done.

Jefferson didn't hammer you, making him confirmed town in your eyes, yet you're asking to lynch him.

Yes... because Lincoln is scum and I think that was made abundantly clear in his argument with me

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751345]OH TRUMP IS ONLINE THANK THE HEAVENS[/QUOTE]

Agreed!

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

OH TRUMP IS ONLINE THANK THE HEAVENS

Agreed!

[QUOTE=Bill Clinton;751330]Im talking about lynching reagan you dummy why don't you read before you speak[/QUOTE]

So you currently believe that Lincoln, myself, Jefferson, and Bush are town with you? And Trump, Kennedy, Reagan are the scum?

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

Im talking about lynching reagan you dummy why don't you read before you speak

So you currently believe that Lincoln, myself, Jefferson, and Bush are town with you? And Trump, Kennedy, Reagan are the scum?

[QUOTE=Bill Clinton;751323]All we need two of you. Jefferson you or bush[/QUOTE]

on Reagan yes because he's being voted by Lincoln aka scum.

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

All we need two of you. Jefferson you or bush

on Reagan yes because he's being voted by Lincoln aka scum.

[QUOTE=Richard Nixon;751317]IMO trump is town and therefore nobody should be able to be lynched by town without him coming online, given there are 5 town and it is 5 votes to lynch. However, Roosevelt logged off with his vote on Lincoln, so it is actually possible to lynch Lincoln if YOU swap YOUR vote to Lincoln.[/QUOTE]

[vote]Abraham Lincoln[/vote]

Originally Posted by Richard Nixon

IMO trump is town and therefore nobody should be able to be lynched by town without him coming online, given there are 5 town and it is 5 votes to lynch. However, Roosevelt logged off with his vote on Lincoln, so it is actually possible to lynch Lincoln if YOU swap YOUR vote to Lincoln.

-vote Abraham Lincoln

[QUOTE=Bill Clinton;751318]He can't make logical arguments and i dont think he is clever enough to pull off a lie as scum. ;p[/QUOTE]

He didn't pull it off - as soon as we started arguing he looked scummy AF. But his teammates could have easily instructed him during the night what he needed to.

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

He can't make logical arguments and i dont think he is clever enough to pull off a lie as scum. ;p

He didn't pull it off - as soon as we started arguing he looked scummy AF. But his teammates could have easily instructed him during the night what he needed to.

[QUOTE=Bill Clinton;751314]I've stated like 4 irl days ago that Lincoln is an idiot and based on meta he is town. you shouldn't have even engaged in conversation with him honestly lol.[/QUOTE]

Meta meta meta.
Fine then, tell us what his scum meta would be?

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

I've stated like 4 irl days ago that Lincoln is an idiot and based on meta he is town. you shouldn't have even engaged in conversation with him honestly lol.

Meta meta meta.
Fine then, tell us what his scum meta would be?

[QUOTE=Bill Clinton;751313]Ok well then. Its basically end of day. We can't move votes around. You're either gamethrowing or scum. gg[/QUOTE]

IMO trump is town and therefore nobody should be able to be lynched by town without him coming online, given there are 5 town and it is 5 votes to lynch. However, Roosevelt logged off with his vote on Lincoln, so it is actually possible to lynch Lincoln if YOU swap YOUR vote to Lincoln.

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

Ok well then. Its basically end of day. We can't move votes around. You're either gamethrowing or scum. gg

IMO trump is town and therefore nobody should be able to be lynched by town without him coming online, given there are 5 town and it is 5 votes to lynch. However, Roosevelt logged off with his vote on Lincoln, so it is actually possible to lynch Lincoln if YOU swap YOUR vote to Lincoln.

[QUOTE=Bill Clinton;751308][MENTION=31873]Richard Nixon[/MENTION] why haven't you voted reagan yet? are u really on his scum team?[/QUOTE]

Why should I think Lincoln is town? You even agreed with me that his arguments were extremely weak throughout his argument with me.

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

@Richard Nixon why haven't you voted reagan yet? are u really on his scum team?

Why should I think Lincoln is town? You even agreed with me that his arguments were extremely weak throughout his argument with me.

[QUOTE=Bill Clinton;751308][MENTION=31873]Richard Nixon[/MENTION] why haven't you voted reagan yet? are u really on his scum team?[/QUOTE]

Reagan cannot be scum if Lincoln is scum, and I am committed to Lincoln being scum.

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

@Richard Nixon why haven't you voted reagan yet? are u really on his scum team?

Reagan cannot be scum if Lincoln is scum, and I am committed to Lincoln being scum.

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751301]Nope that is absolutely not pro-town at all.[/QUOTE]

Unlike you, I actually tried to count the votes, and it was clear that if Trump doesn't come online, we cannot elect a town president anyway.

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Nope that is absolutely not pro-town at all.

Unlike you, I actually tried to count the votes, and it was clear that if Trump doesn't come online, we cannot elect a town president anyway.

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751296]Lol. Please inform us who the fuck you are voting for President because you don't seem to be voting for anyone. Nor trying to get town to vote someone at all.[/QUOTE]

I said already that if people decide to lynch you then they should vote me for president, or if they lynch me then they should vote you for president, as this means a confirmed townie is president or else we mislynched and the game is over anyway.
Since the pressure on you fell off, there has been no point in pushing the presidential vote until people make up their minds about what they want to do.

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Lol. Please inform us who the fuck you are voting for President because you don't seem to be voting for anyone. Nor trying to get town to vote someone at all.

I said already that if people decide to lynch you then they should vote me for president, or if they lynch me then they should vote you for president, as this means a confirmed townie is president or else we mislynched and the game is over anyway.
Since the pressure on you fell off, there has been no point in pushing the presidential vote until people make up their minds about what they want to do.

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751291]The ONLY way I can be scum, and I mean this sincerely, is if Bush is fucking scum. And if he is scum I will hereby renounce my citizenship.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. From the events it is clear that if bush IS scum then you are scum too, however, it does not read the other way around. If you are scum, bush doesn't have to be scum for not hammering you. There was no reason for a townie to hammer you before being sure we had all the presidential votes in

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

The ONLY way I can be scum, and I mean this sincerely, is if Bush is fucking scum. And if he is scum I will hereby renounce my citizenship.

I disagree. From the events it is clear that if bush IS scum then you are scum too, however, it does not read the other way around. If you are scum, bush doesn't have to be scum for not hammering you. There was no reason for a townie to hammer you before being sure we had all the presidential votes in

[QUOTE=Richard Nixon;751287]This is 12 hours before I made my big chunk of posts during D2. I completely agree that you scumread me before that, just not after.[/QUOTE]

Although, honestly, right after that post you quoted you were asked why you scumread me and you just said "too cautious".

That's not exactly a strong scumread for me to get scared of...….

Originally Posted by Richard Nixon

This is 12 hours before I made my big chunk of posts during D2. I completely agree that you scumread me before that, just not after.

Although, honestly, right after that post you quoted you were asked why you scumread me and you just said "too cautious".

That's not exactly a strong scumread for me to get scared of...….

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751285]Yadda. I'll keep digging[/QUOTE]

This is 12 hours before I made my big chunk of posts during D2. I completely agree that you scumread me before that, just not after.

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Yadda. I'll keep digging

This is 12 hours before I made my big chunk of posts during D2. I completely agree that you scumread me before that, just not after.

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;750867]Going out for a couple of hours
[MENTION=31873]Richard Nixon[/MENTION] like I said I'll be giving you the benefit of the doubt, but DO NOT ping ANYONE, not even the people I mentioned, except for JFK and Bush.[/QUOTE]

Let's say that I am scum. Then when he made this post I would have stopped pushing him and been like "ayyyy I am safe now, let's see who he goes after next"

Then he posts this:
[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;750891]That being said, I'm going to push as Mr. Bush and see what can I find because his posts, I don't like. They can be read as either frustrated town or mafia having a field day, and I'm not about to let those posts solely influence my read on him. Fuck that.[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't I be like "ayyyy now I can scumpaint Bush and get him lynched, perfect!"

Instead I did not let Lincoln slink away so easily and kept pushing him.

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Going out for a couple of hours
@Richard Nixon like I said I'll be giving you the benefit of the doubt, but DO NOT ping ANYONE, not even the people I mentioned, except for JFK and Bush.

Let's say that I am scum. Then when he made this post I would have stopped pushing him and been like "ayyyy I am safe now, let's see who he goes after next"

Then he posts this:

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

That being said, I'm going to push as Mr. Bush and see what can I find because his posts, I don't like. They can be read as either frustrated town or mafia having a field day, and I'm not about to let those posts solely influence my read on him. Fuck that.

Wouldn't I be like "ayyyy now I can scumpaint Bush and get him lynched, perfect!"

Instead I did not let Lincoln slink away so easily and kept pushing him.

[QUOTE=John Kennedy;751273]He tries extremely hard to help town. Tbh I don't believe a scum would be here 6 hours non-stop faking scumhunting.[/QUOTE]

I also completely disagree with "he tries extremely hard to help town".

He spams shit that DOES NOT help town and constantly flip-flops his votes and reads to the point where Clinton and Bush both agreed that Teddy was a more useful person to listen to.

Originally Posted by John Kennedy

He tries extremely hard to help town. Tbh I don't believe a scum would be here 6 hours non-stop faking scumhunting.

I also completely disagree with "he tries extremely hard to help town".

He spams shit that DOES NOT help town and constantly flip-flops his votes and reads to the point where Clinton and Bush both agreed that Teddy was a more useful person to listen to.

[QUOTE=John Kennedy;751273]He tries extremely hard to help town. Tbh I don't believe a scum would be here 6 hours non-stop faking scumhunting.[/QUOTE]

By that logic neither of us can be scum, so as Lincoln would say:
LOGICAL FALLACY!

Originally Posted by John Kennedy

He tries extremely hard to help town. Tbh I don't believe a scum would be here 6 hours non-stop faking scumhunting.

By that logic neither of us can be scum, so as Lincoln would say:
LOGICAL FALLACY!

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751268]I completely disagree. Nixon was one of my scum reads d2, he wouldn't have been sent in for the kill as Corrupted Journalist.[/QUOTE]

I am pretty sure you and Kennedy switched to townreading me halfway through D2 after I made a bunch of posts. I don't remember you scum reading me by EOD2

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

I completely disagree. Nixon was one of my scum reads d2, he wouldn't have been sent in for the kill as Corrupted Journalist.

I am pretty sure you and Kennedy switched to townreading me halfway through D2 after I made a bunch of posts. I don't remember you scum reading me by EOD2

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751258]Lmao. Nice one. Care to explain why he tried to hammer?[/QUOTE]

He put you on L-1, he didn't hammer you

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Lmao. Nice one. Care to explain why he tried to hammer?

He put you on L-1, he didn't hammer you

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751256]Bush could've hammered me, yet he didn't. If he is scum he is against the idea of turbolynching... which clearly not the case here.[/QUOTE]

He wanted to make sure the presidential votes were all cast (necessary for town to survive tomorrow even if we correctly lynch today) and he could easily be your teammate.

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Bush could've hammered me, yet he didn't. If he is scum he is against the idea of turbolynching... which clearly not the case here.

He wanted to make sure the presidential votes were all cast (necessary for town to survive tomorrow even if we correctly lynch today) and he could easily be your teammate.

[QUOTE=John Kennedy;751255]Idem if YOU are scum lol.[/QUOTE]

WHY are you so sure Lincoln is town? Can you please give a reason besides "he acts confused and flip-flops"? How is that sufficient to strongly town-read him and not believe any scenario where he could be scum?

Originally Posted by John Kennedy

Idem if YOU are scum lol.

WHY are you so sure Lincoln is town? Can you please give a reason besides "he acts confused and flip-flops"? How is that sufficient to strongly town-read him and not believe any scenario where he could be scum?

[QUOTE=John Kennedy;751250]1) True and convincing.
2) Didn't he DO that? Out of the slip part?
3) I did too, EVERYONE did. No turbolynch was occuring, because we had trouble getting votes to move.
4) :thinking: That feels like a town focus to me. Just maybe... badly worded.[/QUOTE]

2) No... he immediately revealed that he roleblocked Reagan the second the day started.

3) There are specific points here that are directed at Lincoln specifically. The first is that he was the most vocal person all game before that to not lynch people before EOD, and the second is that he repeatedly claimed to think Washington was town.

4) He literally said AS SOON AS YOU COME ONLINE, I do not see how you could consider that to be badly worded or town-aligned.

Originally Posted by John Kennedy

1) True and convincing.
2) Didn't he DO that? Out of the slip part?
3) I did too, EVERYONE did. No turbolynch was occuring, because we had trouble getting votes to move.
4) That feels like a town focus to me. Just maybe... badly worded.

2) No... he immediately revealed that he roleblocked Reagan the second the day started.

3) There are specific points here that are directed at Lincoln specifically. The first is that he was the most vocal person all game before that to not lynch people before EOD, and the second is that he repeatedly claimed to think Washington was town.

4) He literally said AS SOON AS YOU COME ONLINE, I do not see how you could consider that to be badly worded or town-aligned.

[QUOTE=John Kennedy;751248]Oh yeah... What happened N2 with interview? :thinking:[/QUOTE]

I didn't interview anybody because I was already confirmed journalist so what's the point...…………..

Actually I just realized that if I was scum I would have interviewed Roosevelt N2 and told him who all of the scum were, so maybe that should give me some town cred.

Originally Posted by John Kennedy

Oh yeah... What happened N2 with interview?

I didn't interview anybody because I was already confirmed journalist so what's the point...…………..

Actually I just realized that if I was scum I would have interviewed Roosevelt N2 and told him who all of the scum were, so maybe that should give me some town cred.

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751243][MENTION=31873]Richard Nixon[/MENTION], if you are actually town, you should agree with me when I say that Reagan has been acting scummy AF.[/QUOTE]

Reagan cannot be scum if you are also scum, and you are scum, so I do not agree with a Reagan lynch.

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

@Richard Nixon , if you are actually town, you should agree with me when I say that Reagan has been acting scummy AF.

Reagan cannot be scum if you are also scum, and you are scum, so I do not agree with a Reagan lynch.

[QUOTE=John Kennedy;751233][MENTION=31873]Richard Nixon[/MENTION] Do you still scumread Lincoln?[/QUOTE]

Did you read anything beyond the post you quoted here?
Of course I still scumread him, he repeatedly ignored my GOOD arguments and didn't respond to those posts and instead just focused on whether or not I comhunted and whether or not I am a bully. I left him with 4 great questions:


[QUOTE=Richard Nixon;750861]Lincoln can you respond to the following things that actually pertain to the game:

1) If I am scum, why did I say you were consort and end the tunnel that was on Clinton V Reagan? As I have pointed out:
a) If scum get 1 mislynch today they win, so I don't need to earn the town points.
b) Scum need 1 mislynch today to win, so I don't need to specifically lynch a powerful escort versus a less useful town role
c) if Reagan and Clinton are both town scum would happily sit back and watch a mislynch occur.
d) if 1 of them is scum, I (along with my 2 teammates) can push the lynch onto the other 1 - we would only need 2 town to vote before we could hammer. Even if we come off as confirmed scum afterwards it doesn't matter because we have already won with the mislynch completed
e) If they are both scum it makes sense for me to save them, but nobody seems to think they are both scum with me. If you want to push that narrative it's the only one that would make sense


2) As Escort who roleblocked Reagan, why didn't you push Reagan and Clinton to see who their teammates were and to see if they slipped up BEFORE revealing that you blocked Reagan? The information you had if you are town would be the most useful information anybody has had all game and yet you just wasted it and locked us into another 1 V 1 as soon as D3 started.

3) While repeatedly saying all game not to turbolynch people or to lynch people before EOD, even going so far as to fake claim town assassin to stop people from voting trump, and as somebody who thought Washington was a townie, why did you join the lynch on Washington long before EOD2?

4) Why did you say "EVERYONE VOTE NIXON AS SOON AS YOU COME ONLINE"? Where is the town motivation in trying to push a lynch before anybody can defend themselves? You have flip-flopped all game but suddenly, and conveniently while most people are asleep, you have a 100% sure scumread on me and are not even slightly afraid of mislynching?[/QUOTE]

His response, which ignores 3 of them and gives a terrible reply to the first one:


[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;750864]1)Because you were trying to get an easy misiynch on me and and/or pocketing me
b) Not true.
c) Happily sitting back is something only one person in this game would not be lynched for.
d) Yep but you'd have to explain why one of the other is town while the other one is not. I admit this CAN have a towny motivation and for this reason I'll be giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I don't trust you.[/QUOTE]

Then he said:

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;750867]Going out for a couple of hours
[MENTION=31873]Richard Nixon[/MENTION] like I said I'll be giving you the benefit of the doubt, but DO NOT ping ANYONE, not even the people I mentioned, except for JFK and Bush.[/QUOTE]

He literally just quit at that point instead of answering the questions and came back later after the dust had settled and he was no longer the focus.


Eventually, Clinton called him out for running away from those questions:

[QUOTE=Bill Clinton;750940][MENTION=31868]Abraham Lincoln[/MENTION] why haven't you answered 2-4?[/QUOTE]

Lincoln finally responds with this:

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;750943]2) I have no defense in this regard because this is just fucking stupid and I agree. This is a CORRECT reason to be scumreading me but that's not what happened.
3)I joined the Lynch on Washington because Roosevelt here is a master manipulator and a scumbag and convinced me to vote for Washington even though I didn't want to do so.
4)I was overheated and overjoyed at the possibility of having figured you out as scum (honestly, I still am). No I wasn't afraid of mislynching, I am SOMEWHAT afraid of mislynching but at this point, the only two things that can happen is we lose the game or we keep it going for two more days where we have to ACCURATELY Lynch twice in a row, which is... FUCKING gay, if you ask me. Also I RETRACTED that statement almost immediately when I realized Roosevelt voted you, because I realized scum don't have to really Lynch one of us, they just have to prevent us from getting a President elected. That's really what this setup is about.[/QUOTE]

I respond with this:

[QUOTE=Richard Nixon;750946]2) What did happen then?

3) You need to give us something more than "even though I didn't want to do so". You submitted the vote. That tells us you wanted to do so. Otherwise - you can just simply not vote Washington.

4) You have been saying all game that you found so and so as scum confirmed, flip flopping back and forth. Just a few posts before your first one that said I was scum you said I was town. What made you so sure that you had no fear of mislynching me, to the point that you were pinging the whole game to lynch me?
Your point about the presidential election is a good one, but then we should be lynching Roosevelt to stop him from being president.
IMO, though, you unvoted because I was at L-1 and it would be unlikely for someone to just come in and hammer before I could respond. However, if I am at L-2 they can vote me with less guilt and then you can hammer and win the game.[/QUOTE]

and Lincoln responds with this, again ignoring 3 and 4

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;750950]2)What happened was I was waiting the whole previous day to piss off Roosevelt being genuinely convinced that Reagan was scum. I posted that so I could get Reagan lynched, thinking that mafia had not killed anyone - at the start I posted that thing about who killed Obama, and I hadn't yet had time to process the information of what exactly Obama's death meant, I acted on impulse and I agree I fucked it up. But put it this way - if I hadn't claimed that I had blocked Reagan, the Lynch would be between me and Reagan and if he was scum he would've NOT said that I had roleblocked him. Besides I was the only claim in the game so it would've been obvious I blocked him.[/QUOTE]


For me Lincoln is 99% scum, he tried to push a turbo lynch on me without letting me defend myself and then he failed miserably in giving good reasons for his actions when I actually did defend myself.

Originally Posted by John Kennedy

@Richard Nixon Do you still scumread Lincoln?

Did you read anything beyond the post you quoted here?
Of course I still scumread him, he repeatedly ignored my GOOD arguments and didn't respond to those posts and instead just focused on whether or not I comhunted and whether or not I am a bully. I left him with 4 great questions:

Originally Posted by Richard Nixon

Lincoln can you respond to the following things that actually pertain to the game:

1) If I am scum, why did I say you were consort and end the tunnel that was on Clinton V Reagan? As I have pointed out:
a) If scum get 1 mislynch today they win, so I don't need to earn the town points.
b) Scum need 1 mislynch today to win, so I don't need to specifically lynch a powerful escort versus a less useful town role
c) if Reagan and Clinton are both town scum would happily sit back and watch a mislynch occur.
d) if 1 of them is scum, I (along with my 2 teammates) can push the lynch onto the other 1 - we would only need 2 town to vote before we could hammer. Even if we come off as confirmed scum afterwards it doesn't matter because we have already won with the mislynch completed
e) If they are both scum it makes sense for me to save them, but nobody seems to think they are both scum with me. If you want to push that narrative it's the only one that would make sense


2) As Escort who roleblocked Reagan, why didn't you push Reagan and Clinton to see who their teammates were and to see if they slipped up BEFORE revealing that you blocked Reagan? The information you had if you are town would be the most useful information anybody has had all game and yet you just wasted it and locked us into another 1 V 1 as soon as D3 started.

3) While repeatedly saying all game not to turbolynch people or to lynch people before EOD, even going so far as to fake claim town assassin to stop people from voting trump, and as somebody who thought Washington was a townie, why did you join the lynch on Washington long before EOD2?

4) Why did you say "EVERYONE VOTE NIXON AS SOON AS YOU COME ONLINE"? Where is the town motivation in trying to push a lynch before anybody can defend themselves? You have flip-flopped all game but suddenly, and conveniently while most people are asleep, you have a 100% sure scumread on me and are not even slightly afraid of mislynching?

His response, which ignores 3 of them and gives a terrible reply to the first one:

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

1)Because you were trying to get an easy misiynch on me and and/or pocketing me
b) Not true.
c) Happily sitting back is something only one person in this game would not be lynched for.
d) Yep but you'd have to explain why one of the other is town while the other one is not. I admit this CAN have a towny motivation and for this reason I'll be giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I don't trust you.

Then he said:

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Going out for a couple of hours
@Richard Nixon like I said I'll be giving you the benefit of the doubt, but DO NOT ping ANYONE, not even the people I mentioned, except for JFK and Bush.

He literally just quit at that point instead of answering the questions and came back later after the dust had settled and he was no longer the focus.


Eventually, Clinton called him out for running away from those questions:

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

@Abraham Lincoln why haven't you answered 2-4?

Lincoln finally responds with this:

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

2) I have no defense in this regard because this is just fucking stupid and I agree. This is a CORRECT reason to be scumreading me but that's not what happened.
3)I joined the Lynch on Washington because Roosevelt here is a master manipulator and a scumbag and convinced me to vote for Washington even though I didn't want to do so.
4)I was overheated and overjoyed at the possibility of having figured you out as scum (honestly, I still am). No I wasn't afraid of mislynching, I am SOMEWHAT afraid of mislynching but at this point, the only two things that can happen is we lose the game or we keep it going for two more days where we have to ACCURATELY Lynch twice in a row, which is... FUCKING gay, if you ask me. Also I RETRACTED that statement almost immediately when I realized Roosevelt voted you, because I realized scum don't have to really Lynch one of us, they just have to prevent us from getting a President elected. That's really what this setup is about.

I respond with this:

Originally Posted by Richard Nixon

2) What did happen then?

3) You need to give us something more than "even though I didn't want to do so". You submitted the vote. That tells us you wanted to do so. Otherwise - you can just simply not vote Washington.

4) You have been saying all game that you found so and so as scum confirmed, flip flopping back and forth. Just a few posts before your first one that said I was scum you said I was town. What made you so sure that you had no fear of mislynching me, to the point that you were pinging the whole game to lynch me?
Your point about the presidential election is a good one, but then we should be lynching Roosevelt to stop him from being president.
IMO, though, you unvoted because I was at L-1 and it would be unlikely for someone to just come in and hammer before I could respond. However, if I am at L-2 they can vote me with less guilt and then you can hammer and win the game.

and Lincoln responds with this, again ignoring 3 and 4

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

2)What happened was I was waiting the whole previous day to piss off Roosevelt being genuinely convinced that Reagan was scum. I posted that so I could get Reagan lynched, thinking that mafia had not killed anyone - at the start I posted that thing about who killed Obama, and I hadn't yet had time to process the information of what exactly Obama's death meant, I acted on impulse and I agree I fucked it up. But put it this way - if I hadn't claimed that I had blocked Reagan, the Lynch would be between me and Reagan and if he was scum he would've NOT said that I had roleblocked him. Besides I was the only claim in the game so it would've been obvious I blocked him.

For me Lincoln is 99% scum, he tried to push a turbo lynch on me without letting me defend myself and then he failed miserably in giving good reasons for his actions when I actually did defend myself.

[QUOTE=Bill Clinton;751202][vote]john kennedy[/vote]
fuck this guy[/QUOTE]

Cannot believe he read like 2 posts and then just left. I understand real life calls but it really sucks because this was LYLO.

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

-vote john kennedy

fuck this guy

Cannot believe he read like 2 posts and then just left. I understand real life calls but it really sucks because this was LYLO.

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751201]You willing to Lynch Nixon? IMO we can do it right now.[/QUOTE]

See, he doesn't care about getting trump to vote for Bush for president even though Town needs all town to vote for the same person. He just wants to push a lynch through.

Sadly it looks like Kennedy logged off so we have already lost.

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

You willing to Lynch Nixon? IMO we can do it right now.

See, he doesn't care about getting trump to vote for Bush for president even though Town needs all town to vote for the same person. He just wants to push a lynch through.

Sadly it looks like Kennedy logged off so we have already lost.

[QUOTE=Richard Nixon;751197]If Reagan and I are scummates, why didn't we just hammer Clinton when he was at L-2?[/QUOTE]

Votes on Clinton when he was at L-2

Lincoln, Bush, Roosevelt

Originally Posted by Richard Nixon

If Reagan and I are scummates, why didn't we just hammer Clinton when he was at L-2?

Votes on Clinton when he was at L-2

Lincoln, Bush, Roosevelt

If Reagan and I are scummates, why didn't we just hammer Clinton when he was at L-2?

If Reagan and I are scummates, why didn't we just hammer Clinton when he was at L-2?

[QUOTE=Richard Nixon;751194]No no no. you cannot leave without reading the argument between Lincoln and I. You can't do this to town because we need all 5 votes to lynch. Please at least read a few pages further than the Lincoln post you quoted.[/QUOTE]

At least notice that he said this before I came online or had any chance to defend myself:

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;750729]This is just a game, and I hope you're not going to let the fact that I'm interfering with your scum agenda of leading the town astray fuck up our friendship :D

That being said. EVERYONE VOTE NIXON ONCE YOU GET ONLINE - NIXON IS LITERALLY CONFIRMED SCUM, JUST LIKE ROOSEVELT[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Richard Nixon

No no no. you cannot leave without reading the argument between Lincoln and I. You can't do this to town because we need all 5 votes to lynch. Please at least read a few pages further than the Lincoln post you quoted.

At least notice that he said this before I came online or had any chance to defend myself:

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

This is just a game, and I hope you're not going to let the fact that I'm interfering with your scum agenda of leading the town astray fuck up our friendship

That being said. EVERYONE VOTE NIXON ONCE YOU GET ONLINE - NIXON IS LITERALLY CONFIRMED SCUM, JUST LIKE ROOSEVELT

[QUOTE=John Kennedy;751193]Well, Lincoln pretty much pushed on the same track I was on yesterday IRL..... My vote remains. If Lincoln is scum, he played really well and deserves this win lol. I still have a 5% chance of him to be scum, but it's the mastermind chance. Gtg now cya[/QUOTE]

No no no. you cannot leave without reading the argument between Lincoln and I. You can't do this to town because we need all 5 votes to lynch. Please at least read a few pages further than the Lincoln post you quoted.

Originally Posted by John Kennedy

Well, Lincoln pretty much pushed on the same track I was on yesterday IRL..... My vote remains. If Lincoln is scum, he played really well and deserves this win lol. I still have a 5% chance of him to be scum, but it's the mastermind chance. Gtg now cya

No no no. you cannot leave without reading the argument between Lincoln and I. You can't do this to town because we need all 5 votes to lynch. Please at least read a few pages further than the Lincoln post you quoted.

[QUOTE=John Kennedy;751190]If you're right, and tbh I believe you are (Sorry for that, I shouldn't have let him go away lol)... Reagan is confirmed Town, so are you, and I believe I'm obvtown. We're good there :D

My vote is ALREADY on nixon ^^[/QUOTE]

Oh I see, you're going to read and respond to all of it. Alright, should take an hour or two lol.

Originally Posted by John Kennedy

If you're right, and tbh I believe you are (Sorry for that, I shouldn't have let him go away lol)... Reagan is confirmed Town, so are you, and I believe I'm obvtown. We're good there

My vote is ALREADY on nixon ^^

Oh I see, you're going to read and respond to all of it. Alright, should take an hour or two lol.

[QUOTE=Richard Nixon;751020]Kennedy and Bush leave their votes on me and then go to sleep.

Lincoln sees nobody is on and scumpaints me heavily, voting me and pinging everyone in the lobby to VOTE NIXON AS SOON AS YOU COME ONLINE! (he literally said that). He got me to L-1 with Teddy voting me as well but then hit a roadblock -
The next person to come online was me, and in the process of defending myself I think I revealed that Lincoln is a consort.
Clinton and Bush came online and agreed that Lincoln's arguments were shitty but only Clinton voted Lincoln with me, who also had Teddy's vote sitting on him and he is thus at L-2.

IMO, we should lynch Lincoln and you should vote me for president, or else you should lynch me and vote Lincoln for president, because I cannot believe that we are both town and hence if there is not a mislynch we would have a guaranteed town president tomorrow[/QUOTE]

Kennedy - this sums up what happened, then after I posted this Reagan put Lincoln at L-1 and immediately all pressure on Lincoln was dropped and Reagan and I were labelled scum mates.

Then I was put back up to L-2 and Lincoln pushed for Bush to be voted president and we all realized that if you and Trump did not come on before EOD, nothing would happen. Now you're here.

Originally Posted by Richard Nixon

Kennedy and Bush leave their votes on me and then go to sleep.

Lincoln sees nobody is on and scumpaints me heavily, voting me and pinging everyone in the lobby to VOTE NIXON AS SOON AS YOU COME ONLINE! (he literally said that). He got me to L-1 with Teddy voting me as well but then hit a roadblock -
The next person to come online was me, and in the process of defending myself I think I revealed that Lincoln is a consort.
Clinton and Bush came online and agreed that Lincoln's arguments were shitty but only Clinton voted Lincoln with me, who also had Teddy's vote sitting on him and he is thus at L-2.

IMO, we should lynch Lincoln and you should vote me for president, or else you should lynch me and vote Lincoln for president, because I cannot believe that we are both town and hence if there is not a mislynch we would have a guaranteed town president tomorrow

Kennedy - this sums up what happened, then after I posted this Reagan put Lincoln at L-1 and immediately all pressure on Lincoln was dropped and Reagan and I were labelled scum mates.

Then I was put back up to L-2 and Lincoln pushed for Bush to be voted president and we all realized that if you and Trump did not come on before EOD, nothing would happen. Now you're here.

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751177]That or SJ will decide for a town win if we correctly Lynch. It would only be fair.[/QUOTE]

I really, really hate that you made a post demanding that the host give town the win with zero scum dead just to earn yourself more town points. That is disgusting.

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

That or SJ will decide for a town win if we correctly Lynch. It would only be fair.

I really, really hate that you made a post demanding that the host give town the win with zero scum dead just to earn yourself more town points. That is disgusting.

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751169]Lmfao you think anyone's going to vote him up?[/QUOTE]

Even I agree that is dumb. Plus Trump is probably town at this point with scum team being you, bush, and jefferson

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Lmfao you think anyone's going to vote him up?

Even I agree that is dumb. Plus Trump is probably town at this point with scum team being you, bush, and jefferson

[QUOTE=Bill Clinton;751166]Jefferson did try to hammer, but I unvoted before he did[/QUOTE]

I disagree. He only voted Lincoln after you had unvoted so that it wouldn't look like he and Lincoln were teammates

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

Jefferson did try to hammer, but I unvoted before he did

I disagree. He only voted Lincoln after you had unvoted so that it wouldn't look like he and Lincoln were teammates

Anyway, I've realized that without Trump and Kennedy coming online, at least 1 of which must be town, we cannot lynch Lincoln or get all 4 town to vote a president, so eh/meh guess it's time to just sit and wait

Anyway, I've realized that without Trump and Kennedy coming online, at least 1 of which must be town, we cannot lynch Lincoln or get all 4 town to vote a president, so eh/meh guess it's time to just sit and wait

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751162]Yep but I may not be. UK time.[/QUOTE]

You're on 24/7, I think you'll be on midnight your time, nice try to pressure him to lynch me now though

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Yep but I may not be. UK time.

You're on 24/7, I think you'll be on midnight your time, nice try to pressure him to lynch me now though

[QUOTE=George Bush;751154]because you were more scum read.[/QUOTE]

So? Does Reagan just have some useless role then that it wasn't worth sending him for his other night action, over a couple people scumreading me?

Originally Posted by George Bush

because you were more scum read.

So? Does Reagan just have some useless role then that it wasn't worth sending him for his other night action, over a couple people scumreading me?

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;749713][vote] George Washington [/vote]

Cool beans[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;749716][MENTION=31869]Theodore Roosevelt[/MENTION] I apologize if he flips scum, I will write a big 'fuck you' in red capital letters if he flips town.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;749717][vote] unvote [/vote][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;749722]Go ahead and vote him up, I'm keeping hammer power :=)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;749726]Kay then

[vote] George Washington [/vote]

I'd love to hammer though.

[COLOR="#FF0000"][SIZE=6]CHOO CHOO[/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;749737]Washingmachine is invest and Nixon is journalist.[/QUOTE]


You characterize that shit as "Roosevelt is so clever he made me vote Washington against my will"?????

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

-vote George Washington

Cool beans

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

@Theodore Roosevelt I apologize if he flips scum, I will write a big 'fuck you' in red capital letters if he flips town.

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

-vote unvote

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Go ahead and vote him up, I'm keeping hammer power :=)

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Kay then

-vote George Washington

I'd love to hammer though.

CHOO CHOO

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Washingmachine is invest and Nixon is journalist.

You characterize that shit as "Roosevelt is so clever he made me vote Washington against my will"?????

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751146]No, I said I scum read him AFTER EoD2, because I realized Mafia had to have had an infiltrator in the town's ranks or else Washington would never have died.[/QUOTE]

Reagan did not vote Washington to be lynched, neither did I, Obama, or Jefferson.

You, however, voted Washington to be lynched

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

No, I said I scum read him AFTER EoD2, because I realized Mafia had to have had an infiltrator in the town's ranks or else Washington would never have died.

Reagan did not vote Washington to be lynched, neither did I, Obama, or Jefferson.

You, however, voted Washington to be lynched

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751144]Because Reagan was fucking town read by me the entire game.[/QUOTE]

You said you heavily scumread Reagan by EOD2, and you had stopped scumreading me after Kennedy pushed me halfway through D2

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

Because Reagan was fucking town read by me the entire game.

You said you heavily scumread Reagan by EOD2, and you had stopped scumreading me after Kennedy pushed me halfway through D2

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln;751139]In my honest opinion, Nixon is CONFIRMED scum. I could go for a Reagan vote but ONLY if we can get enough votes on him. Which we can't, unless you'd rather trust Trump or Nixon to vote Reagan?[/QUOTE]

you can call me confirmed scum all you want but anybody who reads our argument would be able to see that you're Consort

Also, if I am corrupted journalist, why didn't I do the factional kill instead of Reagan?

Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln

In my honest opinion, Nixon is CONFIRMED scum. I could go for a Reagan vote but ONLY if we can get enough votes on him. Which we can't, unless you'd rather trust Trump or Nixon to vote Reagan?

you can call me confirmed scum all you want but anybody who reads our argument would be able to see that you're Consort

Also, if I am corrupted journalist, why didn't I do the factional kill instead of Reagan?