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[QUOTE=PowersThatBe;715854]So what you're saying is that if individual members break rules or throw games, you (as clan leader/officer/whatever) will not punish or remove them from your clan? iF that is the case, how do you not expect people to look poorly on the clan for harboring people who do that?

Unfortunately, optics are the most important thing when people make judgements. If members of your clan are violating rules, and they aren't punished or removed from the clan or what have you...then that LOOKS to people like you are all in it together. So its not unreasonable for people to lump all of you together.

This is one of the many reasons I do not join any clans on sc2, because the actions of a few or maybe even like 1, can taint the image of everyone with that moniker. Unfortunately it is human behavior to make snap judgements about a whole group based on the actions of a few.

I suggest, you as clan responsible person and now sc2mafia staff? Why arent you green? Take more of a firm action against rule breakers

*yes insert here irony of the fm rule breaker lecturing people on holding others accountable blah blah blah*[/QUOTE]

If nothing else I know people have been kicked for spam/rule breaking/what have you, and I know it says right in the clan announcements not to spam beyond D1 or you'll be kicked.

Either way it's a self-feeding cycle. When you get randomly kicked from lobbies the reaction is to be defensive/upset which leads to more confrontation and more bad feelings. Either way it's just SC2Mafia, let's all just relax and have fun or something like that.

Originally Posted by PowersThatBe

So what you're saying is that if individual members break rules or throw games, you (as clan leader/officer/whatever) will not punish or remove them from your clan? iF that is the case, how do you not expect people to look poorly on the clan for harboring people who do that?

Unfortunately, optics are the most important thing when people make judgements. If members of your clan are violating rules, and they aren't punished or removed from the clan or what have you...then that LOOKS to people like you are all in it together. So its not unreasonable for people to lump all of you together.

This is one of the many reasons I do not join any clans on sc2, because the actions of a few or maybe even like 1, can taint the image of everyone with that moniker. Unfortunately it is human behavior to make snap judgements about a whole group based on the actions of a few.

I suggest, you as clan responsible person and now sc2mafia staff? Why arent you green? Take more of a firm action against rule breakers

*yes insert here irony of the fm rule breaker lecturing people on holding others accountable blah blah blah*

If nothing else I know people have been kicked for spam/rule breaking/what have you, and I know it says right in the clan announcements not to spam beyond D1 or you'll be kicked.

Either way it's a self-feeding cycle. When you get randomly kicked from lobbies the reaction is to be defensive/upset which leads to more confrontation and more bad feelings. Either way it's just SC2Mafia, let's all just relax and have fun or something like that.

I semi-recently joined CHOOOO after playing a fun game with them and not really knowing anyone in there, but I think the most disturbing thing is how people started treating me in lobbies, whether telling me that I/my clan is trash, or just outright kicking me from the lobby. If anyone has played with me they probably know I don't spam at all and I just play the game, yet it's funny that the people who have an ax to grind with CHOOOO over certain members behavior are also the same ones being really rude to people who have done nothing wrong. It's hard to play martyr when you're also feeding negativity in the community.

Saying my clan and I need to go kill ourselves isn't productive for anyone. I get that CHOOOO isn't perfect and you may find them annoying at times, but get off the cross, we need the wood.

I semi-recently joined CHOOOO after playing a fun game with them and not really knowing anyone in there, but I think the most disturbing thing is how people started treating me in lobbies, whether telling me that I/my clan is trash, or just outright kicking me from the lobby. If anyone has played with me they probably know I don't spam at all and I just play the game, yet it's funny that the people who have an ax to grind with CHOOOO over certain members behavior are also the same ones being really rude to people who have done nothing wrong. It's hard to play martyr when you're also feeding negativity in the community.

Saying my clan and I need to go kill ourselves isn't productive for anyone. I get that CHOOOO isn't perfect and you may find them annoying at times, but get off the cross, we need the wood.