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I would be hard pressed to believe there are two BGs in the game. It seems way too town-friendly to be able to beat the night killers at their own game twice.

Beyond that, I STRONGLY suspect that one of the WDs was a converted town Doctor.

I considered Sino some, but I'm still fairly comfortable where my vote is places. Double Administrator seems OP as well, since that would be potentially three Dragon Heads to deal with, which makes a Sheriff kind of a bad spawn in if the DH is DI.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaoi[/COLOR]

I would be hard pressed to believe there are two BGs in the game. It seems way too town-friendly to be able to beat the night killers at their own game twice.

Beyond that, I STRONGLY suspect that one of the WDs was a converted town Doctor.

I considered Sino some, but I'm still fairly comfortable where my vote is places. Double Administrator seems OP as well, since that would be potentially three Dragon Heads to deal with, which makes a Sheriff kind of a bad spawn in if the DH is DI.

-Slaoi

I'll be heading out until tomorrow, soon, so if there's anything else you need to address with me, make it quick.

I'll be heading out until tomorrow, soon, so if there's anything else you need to address with me, make it quick.

Because I wanted to confirm an ally more than I wanted to check a confirmed town. I wanted to float the idea that we do need to be careful, but Cult is low priority right now IMO.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaoi[/COLOR]

Because I wanted to confirm an ally more than I wanted to check a confirmed town. I wanted to float the idea that we do need to be careful, but Cult is low priority right now IMO.

-Slaoi

[QUOTE=Trine;682664]One thing that bothers me about SLAOI is that he's alluded to me possibly being cult twice. But if you were sheriff wouldn't you check me to see if I show up cult? He never did that though.

Couldn't be nothing. Just odd.[/QUOTE]

I'm cautious of cult saves. Converting confirmed town is generally a strong move for cult.

Originally Posted by Trine

One thing that bothers me about SLAOI is that he's alluded to me possibly being cult twice. But if you were sheriff wouldn't you check me to see if I show up cult? He never did that though.

Couldn't be nothing. Just odd.

I'm cautious of cult saves. Converting confirmed town is generally a strong move for cult.

I suppose he COULD by GF. Or he could be a second Administrator who ascended to DH. I'll think about it on the drive home.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaoi[/COLOR]

I suppose he COULD by GF. Or he could be a second Administrator who ascended to DH. I'll think about it on the drive home.

-Slaoi

[QUOTE=Trine;682423]Why did u check sino last night?[/QUOTE]

I checked Sino last night because I wanted to make 100% sure he wasn't scum playing against scum before I got super involved with him. As of now I consider him to be beyond suspicion.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaoi[/COLOR]

Originally Posted by Trine

Why did u check sino last night?

I checked Sino last night because I wanted to make 100% sure he wasn't scum playing against scum before I got super involved with him. As of now I consider him to be beyond suspicion.

-Slaoi

I have not previously claimed any role, to answer CCantman.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]SlaoI[/COLOR]

I have not previously claimed any role, to answer CCantman.

-SlaoI

I meant hit him N1, thus explaining why there were less kills N1.

I meant hit him N1, thus explaining why there were less kills N1.

It's possible the second kill role hit Firebringer, who would have had no reason to claim he was saved.

It's possible the second kill role hit Firebringer, who would have had no reason to claim he was saved.

Since everyone else is claiming, I might as well go ahead and do it too.

I am a sheriff, and I've checked Mason-Slaol, and Sino, and both came up not suspicious. However, I can only detect Mafia/Triad and Cult, not any neutral killing roles.

As the DH is...erm, 'accounted for', we know it wasn't detection immunity protecting either, unless one is a Mafia GF.

I suspect this'll catch me a bullet tonight, but oh well.

In the meantime, I've gotta go to work, but I'm liking the idea of pushing Grommor more and more. Therefore...

[vote]Grommor[/vote]

Since everyone else is claiming, I might as well go ahead and do it too.

I am a sheriff, and I've checked Mason-Slaol, and Sino, and both came up not suspicious. However, I can only detect Mafia/Triad and Cult, not any neutral killing roles.

As the DH is...erm, 'accounted for', we know it wasn't detection immunity protecting either, unless one is a Mafia GF.

I suspect this'll catch me a bullet tonight, but oh well.

In the meantime, I've gotta go to work, but I'm liking the idea of pushing Grommor more and more. Therefore...

-vote Grommor

That is calendar day, not game day.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaoi[/COLOR]

That is calendar day, not game day.

-Slaoi

OK, this is just a thought before bed, but does anyone else find Trine claiming the number of group lynches they had left being "TBD" kinda suspicious? I don't see much situation where the town benefits from the Marshall playing coy about that number.

So for my final question for the day, Trine, do you have any Group Executions left? You went from playing Coy to implying we're in a LYLO, and it's just giving me the heebie-jeebies. Because if you had a GE left, a LYLO would be the time to fire it off, IMO.

OK, this is just a thought before bed, but does anyone else find Trine claiming the number of group lynches they had left being "TBD" kinda suspicious? I don't see much situation where the town benefits from the Marshall playing coy about that number.

So for my final question for the day, Trine, do you have any Group Executions left? You went from playing Coy to implying we're in a LYLO, and it's just giving me the heebie-jeebies. Because if you had a GE left, a LYLO would be the time to fire it off, IMO.

That implies Fury is not-triad as well, since there'd be no reason for Triad to hit their own members.

That implies Fury is not-triad as well, since there'd be no reason for Triad to hit their own members.

Pretty sure Sino is not scum, myself, since he's been pushing pretty hard to get people. I know he was one of the strong people on the FB train, and I don't think there was any benefit to pushing FB for the Triad, especially since he didn't end up dying by lynch.

Someone check me, but I'm pretty sure he also was on the RLVG train, and so that puts him on record voting against two of the Triad. So I'm pretty much positive Sino is not Triad.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaoi[/COLOR]

Pretty sure Sino is not scum, myself, since he's been pushing pretty hard to get people. I know he was one of the strong people on the FB train, and I don't think there was any benefit to pushing FB for the Triad, especially since he didn't end up dying by lynch.

Someone check me, but I'm pretty sure he also was on the RLVG train, and so that puts him on record voting against two of the Triad. So I'm pretty much positive Sino is not Triad.

-Slaoi

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Is the person who bg died for notified?[/COLOR]

Is the person who bg died for notified?

Well, I was right on Firebringer and other people were right on RLVG. Grommor still gives me bad vibes, but at the moment, he's the only person I'm really reading as scum.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaoi[/COLOR]

Well, I was right on Firebringer and other people were right on RLVG. Grommor still gives me bad vibes, but at the moment, he's the only person I'm really reading as scum.

-Slaoi

[COLOR="#0000FF"]Blue Slaoi is still alive.[/COLOR]

Blue Slaoi is still alive.

Initial gut feelings from start of day: Triad is down to 1 or 2 members IMO, and the second Witch Doctor, to me, implies the cult converted a town Doctor N1 who became a WD.

Initial gut feelings from start of day: Triad is down to 1 or 2 members IMO, and the second Witch Doctor, to me, implies the cult converted a town Doctor N1 who became a WD.

Violent night, indeed. That's 6 deaths since yesterday.

Violent night, indeed. That's 6 deaths since yesterday.

[vote]RLVG[/vote]

-vote RLVG

[unvote][/unvote]

While I check RLVG's posts some more.

-unvote

While I check RLVG's posts some more.

Are we really trying to switch the train with 4 hours to go?

Are we really trying to switch the train with 4 hours to go?

The truth is, though, I'm not really sure who I want to lynch other than Grommor. I'm mostly waiting for day end to try and see what sorts out with the modkills.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaol[/COLOR]

The truth is, though, I'm not really sure who I want to lynch other than Grommor. I'm mostly waiting for day end to try and see what sorts out with the modkills.

-Slaol

I think of all the players right now, Grommor is my strongest scum read, based on my previously mentioned scumtell of him.

I think of all the players right now, Grommor is my strongest scum read, based on my previously mentioned scumtell of him.

I guess we're in agreement with this vote.

I'm going to be keeping an eye on Firebringer and Grommor, though. Just have a bad gut feeling from both of them.

[vote]Slaol[/vote]

I guess we're in agreement with this vote.

I'm going to be keeping an eye on Firebringer and Grommor, though. Just have a bad gut feeling from both of them.

-vote Slaol

I'm open to switching my vote to Slaol if necessary. I'll be on intermittently for a few hours, but I will be here for day-end.

This is going to be a violent night.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaoi[/COLOR]

I'm open to switching my vote to Slaol if necessary. I'll be on intermittently for a few hours, but I will be here for day-end.

This is going to be a violent night.

-Slaoi

I'd like to see more reasoning from Slaol on why he thinks Firebringer is a good lynch. I think with less than 12 hours left in the day, we're pretty much committed to either Firebringer or SLaoL.

Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaoi[/COLOR]

I'd like to see more reasoning from Slaol on why he thinks Firebringer is a good lynch. I think with less than 12 hours left in the day, we're pretty much committed to either Firebringer or SLaoL.

Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

-Slaoi

If all the Slaols are on the same team, someone forgot to tell me this in my rolecard.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaoi[/COLOR]

If all the Slaols are on the same team, someone forgot to tell me this in my rolecard.

-Slaoi

That was me.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaoi[/COLOR]

That was me.

-Slaoi

Back this morning, woo. Catching up.

Back this morning, woo. Catching up.

I'm out for a bit. Going to eat and deal with family and such. Day doesn't end tonight, so I should be good.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]The I guy[/COLOR]

I'm out for a bit. Going to eat and deal with family and such. Day doesn't end tonight, so I should be good.

-The I guy

Going a bit more meta than I was previously, I suspect at least one of the Slaol people is scum, just to make it hard to lynch them even if they are obvious scum, because it'll be harder to tell which is which.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaol[/COLOR]

Going a bit more meta than I was previously, I suspect at least one of the Slaol people is scum, just to make it hard to lynch them even if they are obvious scum, because it'll be harder to tell which is which.

-Slaol

IMO, The chance of there being no additional cult, as I stated earlier, is effectively zero just because it's just plain unfair to the Witch Doctor.

IMO, The chance of there being no additional cult, as I stated earlier, is effectively zero just because it's just plain unfair to the Witch Doctor.

Honestly, though, while I hate to throw shade on the confirmed town, it is a legit question. Especially since a doctor would most likely, even with that option on, not heal a Marshall because it's such an edge case.

Mostly something we should probably keep in mind for the future.

Honestly, though, while I hate to throw shade on the confirmed town, it is a legit question. Especially since a doctor would most likely, even with that option on, not heal a Marshall because it's such an edge case.

Mostly something we should probably keep in mind for the future.

[QUOTE=Sino;681933]I have a question. I know that Marshall can't be healed by Doc after revealing, but can Doc still prevent cult conversion?[/QUOTE]

I've never seen this come up. Probably a good question for the host.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Can Doctor prevent Marshall from becoming a cultist, assuming that option is enabled for the doctor in question?[/COLOR]

Originally Posted by Sino

I have a question. I know that Marshall can't be healed by Doc after revealing, but can Doc still prevent cult conversion?

I've never seen this come up. Probably a good question for the host.

Can Doctor prevent Marshall from becoming a cultist, assuming that option is enabled for the doctor in question?

[QUOTE=Iced_Monopoly;681913]Yet you saw me being the only one who answered that post, and not scumreading him off of it and didn't decide to say "hey guys, this might be scum indicative"?[/QUOTE]

As I alluded to in my first post, I spent most of Day 1 vomiting IRL, which is why I minimally participated and was unable to contribute.

Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly

Yet you saw me being the only one who answered that post, and not scumreading him off of it and didn't decide to say "hey guys, this might be scum indicative"?

As I alluded to in my first post, I spent most of Day 1 vomiting IRL, which is why I minimally participated and was unable to contribute.

Because I thought it was self-obvious. Apparently it wasn't.

-[COLOR="#0000FF"]Slaol[/COLOR]

Because I thought it was self-obvious. Apparently it wasn't.

-Slaol

[QUOTE][COLOR="#A52A2A"]Grommor [/COLOR]Classic after lynch scum tell [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/39816-M-FM-April-Fools!-Game-Thread?p=681245&viewfull=1#post681245"]#242[/URL][/QUOTE]

I agree this may well have been a scumtell. It seems to be encouraging the Marshall to keep lynching, and since we now know that the Mafia wasn't a target of any of the lynches, a scum would've been in favor of keeping the lynchtrain going on town (or scum of other factions.)

Grommor Classic after lynch scum tell #242

I agree this may well have been a scumtell. It seems to be encouraging the Marshall to keep lynching, and since we now know that the Mafia wasn't a target of any of the lynches, a scum would've been in favor of keeping the lynchtrain going on town (or scum of other factions.)

[COLOR="#0000FF"]And since nobody seems to be doing it, I'll start us off. I got no feedback last night.[/COLOR]

And since nobody seems to be doing it, I'll start us off. I got no feedback last night.

I did put a vote on Grommor and then swap it to Firebringer. I thought the points about Grommor were legitimate, but then decided to pressure FB instead. Beyond that, Grommor seems to have been AFK, so pressuring him wouldn't have helped anyways.

For me, I'm going to try and remember to talk all in [B][COLOR="#0000FF"]BLUE [/COLOR][/B]from now on in order to help you differentiate me.

I did put a vote on Grommor and then swap it to Firebringer. I thought the points about Grommor were legitimate, but then decided to pressure FB instead. Beyond that, Grommor seems to have been AFK, so pressuring him wouldn't have helped anyways.

For me, I'm going to try and remember to talk all in BLUE from now on in order to help you differentiate me.

Further last minute thought: I find it reasonably unlikely that the Witch Doctor was alone in the game. Solo Witch Doctor is a terrible spawn in, so there's probably a Cultist or two, maybe even three by now, that we'll have to find.

Further last minute thought: I find it reasonably unlikely that the Witch Doctor was alone in the game. Solo Witch Doctor is a terrible spawn in, so there's probably a Cultist or two, maybe even three by now, that we'll have to find.

If he goes past L-3, people who are awake(which will probably not include me) should unvote so that the scum can't hammer.

If he goes past L-3, people who are awake(which will probably not include me) should unvote so that the scum can't hammer.

[vote]Firebringer[/vote]

Even if he can't further his defense, let's make him wake up more panicked.

-vote Firebringer

Even if he can't further his defense, let's make him wake up more panicked.

[QUOTE=Trine;681824]also there's 2 killing roles. Unless witch doctor was mod killed/killed by mattzed jester lynch.[/QUOTE]

With a game this large it's reasonable to assume there's at least one Neutral Killer, or possibly a Triad/Mafia war going on.

Originally Posted by Trine

also there's 2 killing roles. Unless witch doctor was mod killed/killed by mattzed jester lynch.

With a game this large it's reasonable to assume there's at least one Neutral Killer, or possibly a Triad/Mafia war going on.

[vote]Grommor[/vote]

For now. I think Secondpassing might've been onto something.

-vote Grommor

For now. I think Secondpassing might've been onto something.

[QUOTE=Trine;681764]why am I still alive? ugh.[/QUOTE]

Because Scum obviously doesn't view you as a threat. But since you're the only confirmed town, prove them wrong.

Originally Posted by Trine

why am I still alive? ugh.

Because Scum obviously doesn't view you as a threat. But since you're the only confirmed town, prove them wrong.

Based only on player count and a gut feeling, I figure we probably have about 7 scum amongst us. And we're going to be short on TPRs to deal with them.

Based only on player count and a gut feeling, I figure we probably have about 7 scum amongst us. And we're going to be short on TPRs to deal with them.

Well at least one death so far isn't a town member...not counting MattZed, obv.

Well at least one death so far isn't a town member...not counting MattZed, obv.

[vote]Fred[/vote]

-vote Fred

[vote]Alright[/vote]

-vote Alright