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  1. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    On this note, I'm going to take my leave.

    #PTB
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    This. There's always room for improvement, and I think Sino realizes where. But in general, if a town is being scumread, it's the fault of the reader. Town should usually strive to make themselves as obvious as they can to their teammates, but I wouldn't look at this as a main focus for how to improve. The best way for someone to townread you is to find a scum and get them lynched after going after them aggressively. If you want to be townread, improve your scumreading skills, and then people will naturally read you as town.
    Townies need to focus on proper scum-hunting above all else.

    If you are scum-hunting well, you will inevitably be town-read.

    It does not matter if you are wrong in your pushes because your sincerity should be apparent to the players.

    It's the WAY that you push people that matters.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sino View Post
    Btw Calix, it's hard to tell, but i really hope you had fun D1, the game was over afterwards anyways.

    I liked the trolling part.


    I really want to know how DWs reacts to all of this, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    i actualy bmed silverwolf to do a sex scene in thred with me
    Lovely.

    Found new nightmare fodder
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    Is there a scum chat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessB View Post
    I'm going to take a deep breath before I yell. Breath in, breath out:

    DUDE, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU WANT PEOPLE TO START VOTING YOU. YOU'RE TOWN. THE IDEA IS TO PROVE TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE TOWN, NOT SHIFT VOTES ON YOURSELF GIVEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE TOWN. PLEASE ABANDON THIS HORRENDOUS STRATEGY WHICH HAS FAILED IN MULTIPLE GAMES NOW. IT'S FINE TO HAVE FUN, BUT WHEN YOU TANK EVERY GAME AS TOWN, IT MAKES THE OTHER TOWNIES NOT HAVE FUN ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ACT SUPER SCUMMY AND END UP FLIPPING TOWN EACH TIME!

    SP, please man -- for the love of God. You seem like a nice person -- please just take this criticism to heart and stop doing this. There's almost never any good reason to act scummy to generate votes on yourself as a Town member. Please just do this for me or Calix or Unknown or anyone else who appreciates sensible Town play. No more deliberately scummy shit for discussion purposes. I'm begging you...

    UPDATE: You tried something very similar in BFN and it failed miserably there too. There's really no reason ever to make yourself seem scummy, especially when you have issues being mislynched in games to begin with...
    This wins the thread.

    If you're town, you don't want people spending a load of time talking about you. Why would you? You already know your alignment.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    I don't actually give a shit about the MVP. I had the scum pinned down by Day 2 despite being blackmailed. That's objectively true.

    I don't need people defending or throwing shade there, there's nothing to discuss.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    then you should of taken it up to crpt/unknown (who was dead at the time), if everything loosk contradctpry ask an outside source (crypt who is fm admin) for what should be allowed or whats not.

    its still the fault of both host and player at that point becasue again, its up to you to ask for more details and if needed, get a 3rd party involved to have it straigented out. and the falut of gyr for not seeing that himself or even asking.

    but hey my sig is still a thing: host cant fix the stupid or random that happened
    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    "im gonna discredit more becasue i cant prove my point and im sour about the game"
    You need to work on your trolling.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    I love ika saying that an uninformed role that can win with town being read as town is the hardest thing to do.

    That is hilarious.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    if i got balckmailed to not use vowels i would laugh and have a ball. iirc @MattZed has done it before.

    if you want to dump the PMs you could and we could look at it cus while yes gry had a few mistakes i thnk overall he did the best he could fo knoing xmas is wound the corner

    the fact you had no idea what you were doing is falt on you, you should of pmed gry for clarifcation and if it was still odd keep askign untill it was clear cut. again not the hosts fault but a players fault
    My point is that he contradicted himself on several occasions when I was asking him "yo what's allowed with my BM?" and whatever..so how am I supposed to know what to do when he doesn't explain it properly?

    I sent him like, 40 PMs.

    The last PM he sent me before the mod-kill was "you can post normally because you're going to die at EOD" - how else do I take that but "hey I can post normally now because I'm dead anyway?"
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    I was shocked that MZ was town.

    After he made that "I trust that you're of the appropriate alignment" comment, I was so sure that he was Neutral doing the same gambit as Hell Frog, lol.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    -vote Gyrlander
    I can get behind voting the host MVP

    -vote Gyrlander
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    if he saids that, then that absicly breaks the whole point of BMer rolecard to begin with and that it bascily encourages people to go "well fuck blackmiler im dead man walking"

    im not apologizing to you. i aplogized to gyr for it, you deserved to eat the dead.

    if this is his 3rd game (i dont keep track of peoples hosted games), then i would consdier getting a co-host next time



    again, if its messy wording. its up to us (the players) and the FM staff to see such things before it gets going. I msot times dont see that stuff untill game time becasue thats when i have an alignemnt and a role behind me and i reanalize it in dpeth after thinking more about it.

    seeing what gry said to claix, i would argue thats not letting "players play" thats jsut "ok im gonna favor town now" i think the best application to it would of been to say "yes you broke blackmail but you cna still post till end of day under rescrtion"

    going "well screw blackmail you failed it" is giving town so much more power and is unfair to scum. the least impactful thing would of been to say "you cna continue to post till EOD but you must follow the rescrtion still" cus then otherwise bmer is bascily useless in the sense that it only get a kill.
    From my point of view, the host deliberately went out of his way to fuck me over.

    I know you won't care but he gave me a slew of inconsistent rulings, posts, orders, etc. I had no idea what I was doing. It was the worst hosting I have ever dealt with. You would be angry too if you saw the PMs I got from him.

    I'm not the one who should be apologising.

    Blackmailer is extremely scum-sided. It gave the scum a free KPN - that's extremely powerful in a setup where the scum aren't supposed to have kills. Just nuke it and be done with it. I can't believe people actually think it's a good role. It does nothing for games.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    I took it up to gyr becasue as a host we cant change it. if the rolecard says "if they fail they die" there should be no warning, she should of just died at EOD when she broke it first time with the : (yes that is a punctuation mark). after she broke it with the read lsit and continued i was fine with her dying at EOD. but when she basicly went "fuck it" thats not doing it anymore, thats jsut breaking not only your wincon (eating the modkill), but the spirit of the game (well i broke it so im gonna post normal now)

    i already aplogized that i word lawyered it and that it is something i do basicly outside of alignement. I do agree with the ideal of "host needs to apporve" or something (cus frankly i could of chained 20 difrent resctions together with commas and joint words looking at it) but this was gyrs first game so i do give him a lot of creidt

    for the first game he did a fair job overall.

    blackmailer is one of those roles that jsut needs ot be proprly cared of
    Gyrlander told me that I was going to die at EOD and specifically told me that I was allowed to post normally.

    I did not break the blackmail with the intent of dying straight away. I posted normally AFTER he said I would die at EOD because I had no incentive to keep posting like a retard.

    That's why I'm angry.

    Apology for 'word lawyering' accepted.

    This is his third game. He needs to learn a lesson for future games.

    Blackmailer is not a role that should exist. SC2 is a site that already has issues with lurkers. Blackmailer does not help with this and I was essentially punished for playing the game.

    That is a toxic thing to reinforce on this site.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    ok here let me give my insight on how your modkill was not only blaitnety gamethowring, but also agaisnt the spirit of the game

    here the blackmailer rolecard:



    the highlighted is what you broke. not only did you decide to break your blackmail and eat a modkill you decided to say "fuck this game"

    i took the wording of the rolecard and said this is what it says.

    the fault is onus on you due to the fact that you neevr brought it up in review or signups

    as for the neutral claim, i was already under supcion and could of been lynched, claiming neutral was my only chance at survival cus if i got lynch it would of outed me right away. the other idea was to get the neutral to cc me or think i was empress doing so

    so kindly fuck off if you have ocncers about this you can take it to mods
    It says in the exact same rolecard that I die "automatically at the end of the day"

    You were not under any suspicion. yzb asked for the Neut to claim. You immediately claimed in response. Fake-claiming Neutral guarantees that the real Neutral hits you. This conveniently helps your partner win.

    I'm calling bullshit. The fact that you two are being so aggressive about a perfectly justified suspicion only strengthens my case against you two.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverWolf View Post
    Fuck you. ika and I worked our damn ass off this game NOT to OGC. Seriously Calix, I worked my ass off this game and I will not have my win tarnished like this.
    Explanation or GTFO. Lynch-proof claiming a role to avoid being lynched makes NO sense and is extremely suspicious.

    Swearing at me isn't going to make that go away, sorry to say.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sino View Post
    I have to agree with sp here, the lack of a scum night kill makes this setup town sided imo, even if ika didn't fake claim assassin, once the assassin's objective was to kill scum, town was in a pretty good spot.
    If you're suggesting to lower the number of TPRs, give the scum a night kill and heavily modify the Neutral's win condition then I think that's a good idea. You would have to neuter the scum roles accordingly, of course.

    Blackmailer should just be taken out and you'd want to remove the night-immune/ lynch-immune business going on to something else.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    when Calix answers your questions better than the host.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Don't say that I changed the BM rule. It wasn't clear qnd could have been understood in two ways
    @Gyrlander perhaps try addressing the criticisms leveled against you yourself instead of using me as a spokesperson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    We had four power roles though. We had so many opportunities to catch scum just with night actions.
    Also they lacked a night kill. I'm thinking it was town sided.
    TPRs had no impact over the result. The Detective did not post checks, the Escort roleblocked nobody, the Doctor was mod-confirmed as a role due to the host fucking up.

    The only impact it had was 'confirming' Sino as town due to the way he claimed, otherwise I disagree with your conclusion.

    However I agree that four TPRs is excessive in general and can be cut down to 2-3 (to counter scum PRs).
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    As for the scum play, the fact that they still lost despite the host giving the scum team multiple advantages says it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Tomorrow. If I don't die tonight ZZZZ
    Here, I shall help you out.

    I have many criticisms about this game. I don't think I'll even be able to cover all of my complaints. However, I shall try to note some initial issues here.

    1. Gyrlander messing up the night actions.

    - His slip with Unknown is the least egregious thing that he did, although it's indicative of the host not fully knowing the ins-and-outs of his own setup (the fact that I was healing Unknown should not have been something that he took into account). However this is a genuine host error and not something that affected the game in and of itself.

    - SuperJack/ MattZed. I feel that if you did not kill MattZed officially BEFORE a lynch then the killed player should not have died. This blunder essentially led to the death of two townies (MattZed and secondpassing) - this is a devastating outcome in a game with 8 town players. The scum should not have such a blatant advantage with unnecessary town deaths.

    - My modkill. This was HORRENDOUSLY executed. The rolecard clearly states that I "automatically die at EOD" and I should not have been killed instantly as a result of that. What's awful about this is the fact that Gyrlander admitted to me that he had changed this rule because of the scum PMing him. This is CLEARLY something that the host should not be doing - hosts should review the setup and clarify things accordingly, not cave in to demands from biased parties. Given that my reads were reasonably accurate, Gyrlander should have noticed the obvious bias that the scum had in making that request.

    2. Scum should not have been trying to exploit the host.

    - This violates the spirits of the rules. Unknown did not try manipulating the host by surviving. I did not try to exploit the host with my blackmail restrictions. The scum tried to game the host to gain an advantage. This is deplorable behaviour and 100% deserves to be called out @ika

    3. I would like to express concerns over ika/ SW potentially OGCing.

    - I fail to understand the play being made with ika fake-claiming Neutral (something which would make him unlynchable) as...the Lynchproof role. Conveniently, the same role that SW had to kill to win the game. I want an explanation for this because I don't see how this helps the scum team at all.

    In conclusion, the scum team were exploitative and @Gyrlander was the fourth mafia this game.
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    Gyrlander, when can we expect to see that host analysis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sino View Post
    Given their interaction I have a hard time seeing them both as scum (ika and sp), my guess would be sp town and ika scum, what do you think about it ?
    Would need to reread it, but yeah, it's unlikely that scum would completely ignore the tempting DW ML to rag on at their scum buddy.

    It also meshes with my reads because I think the more questionable reads are...SP and ika...so it would check out that the townie is among those two.

    I will see how it was done, however, before making a definitive conclusion. Scum love their lame bussing attempts on here, after all.
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    Also I forgot to mention this earlier but MZ's case on SJ is very sheep-worthy.

    He just forgot to account for scum bussing.

    SJ's troll-train happened way too fast for scum to NOT be among the voters.

    That would be SW, RLVG, ika and myself.

    VCA bitches
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sino View Post
    Alright, in case we hit the Emperor, do i risk stalling the game out by jailing him or do i just let the Assassin kill him ?
    I think letting the Neutral fulfil their win condition is the best move.

    I actually have some tinfoil theories about who could be who tbh lol.

    I'm still pretty sure yzb is Guard just because the obvious Assassin hasn't died yet and yzb hasn't turned up

    Emperor most likely SP or ika imo.

    You have any objections to my reads btw? Don't want to die and then have the town be idiots and ML my town circle, lol.
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    brb doing the laundry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sino View Post
    You also said SJ is the one who plays his scum game the best compared to the others, we shouldn't underestimate him, could you give us more details about that ?

    What makes you think SJ is a good scum here ?
    As I noted earlier, SJ's main contribution at EOD1 was to stir up paranoia about jailing because of the Blackmailer. The way he does this is also extremely scummy - he shifts the blame onto the other (active!) players because "they didn't discuss BMer when discussing the setup"

    This is a weak excuse if I ever heard one because the setup spec was ABOUT THE NEUTRAL TOWN-SIDING. Why the fuck would anyone want to discuss the BMer at that time or give the scum team ideas?

    In any case, SJ's BM!Paranoia posts led to DWs being MLed. Note that SJ was against you jailing because "nobody suspects Sino" and "scum will lie to you in jail"

    He's very subtle at sowing doubt among the town and making them distrust each other. In this case, he knew that DW vs you wasn't SvT, thus he had incentive to do that.

    This is the only thing I'm using against SJ, by the way, because I consider it damning enough by itself. I don't think town ever does that and then react to this being brought up like SJ has.

    It's probably the only good play that scum has made so far. I'll look forward to seeing what other tricks SJ has up his sleeve for me.
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    Thread:S-FM 220: Empire

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    Here are most of my posts. They're not word-for-word because I am lazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    Points Against SP

    Very bad posts

    Lynch for this alone

    Bickers with ika over discussing the other events such as NoL vs DW/ Mesk, etc.

    This is very scummy because it's unlikely that scum were up for the lynch.

    Means he had no reason to get involved in the chat.

    Very apathetic towards the lynch. Classic scum tell.
    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    I don't like this response.

    SJ puts responsibility on other people.

    He has not followed up on those "suspicions" of his.


    I would still consider voting him.



    Maybe reviewing the SJ train

    This may be very helpful

    And to look back and reread the game especially when DW was town and Sino likely town. Was wrong on 2 reads and SP was third.

    SP is always scummy and current scum-reads could be wrong.

    SJ maybe scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    SP, your reads are dumb

    SJ isn't solid town. He makes posts that LOOK good but they're scummy when Calix analyses them and looks beneath the surface.

    Calix is never scum, idiot. Why would scum act like Calix at EOD1? I'm very town because of my posting style which is a very town personality trait (I wanted to say attribute )

    SP is very bad at the game and he gets worse with every game.

    MZ needs to be killed by the guard because he is playing like shit. Kill him.

    Not lynching SW because she is not mafia.
    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    READS

    Sino

    Confirmed town. Scum never claims Jailor like that. Gyrlander is an idiot with how he balanced the roles.

    Mesk514
    Very town. Has a very townie tone and scum do not claim like Mesk.
    (not using the truth tell before anyone tries to throw shade here)
    Mesk never claimed first thing when scum in any of her scum games.
    Calix was scum with Mesk in BFN and thinks Mesk is playing very differently.

    SuperJack
    Made a great scum play at EOD which has a weak town explanation. Don't underestimate him.

    MattZed
    Neutral. Why has the Guard not killed him yet? Christ.

    RLVG
    The way that he responded to the shitty town-reads on him is EXTREMELY town. Scum don't react like that.

    yzb25
    Thread-policing and writes nothing in his long posts. Also a lurker.

    SilverWolf
    Insane mind-melds.

    ika
    Still need to reread him but I don't like SP attacking him at EOD.
    Not reading Calix's posts means he is possible scum who knows that Calix is dangerous and wants an excuse to shut Calix up and make her less motivated to post.

    secondpassing
    Scum or bad.

    RLVG please work with Calix and Sino and MESK and SW for a town block and vote together
    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post


    Check yzb's posts please.

    Lowest poster and he says nothing.

    Very safe reads because he had one scum-read who people scum-read anyway.

    Tells people what to do but does none of those things himself. Inconsistency between what he says and does.

    Lacks drive and initiative.

    Not obvious town like yzb usually is.

    Confirmed scum by meta and that massive inconsistency between words and actions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    Town perspective for SJ's post is weaker than scum perspective

    Town perspective doesn't explain why you were only being productive (sarcasm) at EOD when there was a ML on the table.

    Scum perspective more logical and consistent with SJ play.

    Nice discredit though.

    Give reads.
    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    VCA is shit because the scum are lurking

    Scum have little sway over the game thread.

    I conclude this because of how the game is progressing - THERE IS A DISTINCT LACK OF SCUM MANIPULATION WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THE SCUM ARE INACTIVE.

    Only manipulation is with SJ's good scumplay with blackmailer paranoia.

    Scum are very lurky.

    Don't kill active players because there are less scum among them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    YZB25

    What Calix wants to expand on is how worthless yzb is being.

    Every game when he's town, he's extremely obvious to me.

    Yzb isn't behaving like obvious town, therefore likely scum by default.

    Plus his fluffy wall-posts where he says nothing new or original.

    Repeats what townies have said before him.

    There's a lack of logical arguments like yzb often does as town.
    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    Calix will make this ika's problem because RLVG's response to shitty town-reads was way townier than yours.
    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    Nice dodging of the point with my post and discrediting SP at once, lol.

    ika isn't reacting properly to the stupid town-reads so he is scummy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    I'm not claiming feedback.

    This isn't OW where I'm Tracer because I learned my lesson from mislynching the Doctor.

    If MZ is town then MZ's play is stupid and reactive.

    MZ picks on easy targets like Mesk and Blackmailed!Calix.

    Lots of talk about the neutral.
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    My restriction was that I can't use vowels and punctuation. I'm not going to sweat it because that's insanely hard to do. I wasn't allowed to use substitutes for vowels so I couldn't dump my posts into a machine and post a bunch. Had to do it all manually.

    No idea why Gyrlander didn't think of adding a "subject to host's discretion" disclaimer with a Blackmailer. If he doesn't stop the scum doing that N2 then I'm calling bullshit because it essentially means that you cannot post at all.

    It gives the scum a way to make the game a lurk-fest. It's sad because ALL my scum-reads are lurkers and instead of trying to play properly, they just try to lurk it out. I'm disappointed.

    SJ has only started posting more once people rightly suspect him for his EOD1. SP was lurking it up for most of D1 and most of his posts then were absolute drivel. I'm considering ika as one because he is actively lurking. His posts do nothing. He's almost as bad as yzb who has done less than MESK.

    If there is more than one town among SJ/ SP/ ika/ YZB then town deserves to lose because I want every single one of them dead. MZ, please kill among this group tonight instead of killing my strongest town-read this time

    We should lynch SJ, kill ika, lynch yzb, kill SP imo. I'll expand on this in a bit but I think this is a good idea.
    @MattZed could do with helping us given that you're the most obvious Neutral I've ever seen, love ;) You try to appease everyone, you make long-winded posts appealing to the Neutral, you try not to rock the boat and you scum-read Unknown.

    (he also made this one post which reminded me so much of Hell Frog's admission that he was neutral to me in FB's game. I thought he was signalling to me that he was Neutral and that he town-read me enough to reveal like that. I was getting angry at him near EOD1 because for the fact that he's the guy with the gun, he was acting weirdly scummy and cautious and it made me wonder if I was being played. He's being less weird for now but that's still in the back of my head. I'm pretty sure the only reason that the scum haven't killed NeutZed yet is because yzb is the Guard who has yet to turn up, kek)

    Given that the scum's first response to me playing a game is to try to shut me up/ kill me N1, I don't think I'll be playing here again. I take a break, come back and the same shit happens. It's not worth my time to play a game where I will always die early as town.



    I'll still be posting and whatever since I'm in the game until EOD2 so if you have any doubts as to why there isn't three scummers among the group mentioned [yzb, SJ, ika, SP] then please ask because I'm lynching in that group today and I 100% want everyone to sheep my reads when I die.

    RLVG is town. Mesk is town. Sino is town. SW is town. Again, if anyone doubts these reads, ASK BEFORE I DIE SO THAT YOU DON'T ACT LIKE A MORON AND MISLYNCH THEM AFTER I DIE, THANKS.

    Seriously, don't lynch among this group and town wins by POE.
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    aeiou!"£$%^&*()_=+;:@'~#,.<>/?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    @Calix, on a scale from 1-10, how much of your townread on Mesk is trusting her trust tell?
    3

    twn tll crppy wy 2 ply

    tn nd wy MSK tlks v twny

    dffrnt frm BFN ply

    bt tr prtly BC th wy MSK clmd

    flt twn t CLX
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Not fully able to translate. Would appreciate hints at my guesses in [brackets].

    We ask for claims before lynching for a reason, and "there's a jailor" was not a good enough reason to continue to lynch a TPR claim, especially when we had a jailor to confirm. But we can discuss this after the game if you're town.
    Y


    wrs lk bd r shtty


    Y


    TPRs r vrrtd nd VT gms r th bst bt cn dscss ltr

    CLX twn

    MZ bd t rdng CLX lk CLX bd t rdng MZ
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I will forgive you for now, especially on the assumption that you are in fact BM'd. (if someone else is BM'd, they should vote Calix, btw) If you're town, PLEASE learn your lesson and don't try to guess role lists when lynching players. I can kinda get the 3 DD thing, but Escort and Jailer aren't even the same role, nor would Jailer activate most nights. It was well within reason, especially since we're against 3 scum and a killing neut.

    -vote SuperJack


    There was a very strategic sabotage of DW here. I've been misrepped a million times (looking at you, @SilverWolf) as to why I scumread SJ before; IT WAS NOT BECAUSE HE LEFT, HOLY SHIT. But after yesterday, yes, he needs to do some talking.
    CLX wntd DW LYNCHD lk BC wntd GYR lynchd


    Prv shtty TPR ply shll b LYNCHD

    FCK plyng wrs s TPR


    DW vry scmmy nd dsrvd LYNCH


    Clm nt rlvnt

    MZ pnt n SJ frst gd MZ pnt
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Meta point: I've only seen "you can't use vowels" used once, and that was RLVG using it on me in S-FM Watermeloann, although ika was also a player in that game.
    SJ plyd WM
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    ika, you really need an attitude check. You joined on a train to lynch a claimed TPR with 10 minutes to EoD while we had a claimed jailor. You are not in the position to start accusing me of things.

    If you're scum, it's cute, but if you're town, you really need to calm down.
    Cn y nvt CLX nd LYNCH scm pls


    LYNCH SJ N YZB

    MZ cn vt kkk w rsns

    CLX nt scm jst md mstk wth DW


    CLX cn rdm hrslf tdy

    CLX nt Trcr
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    If you're the guard you can try to kill me. ;) I dare you.

    Can someone translate what Calix means by "GRD"?
    chck MZ pst

    scm rl

    wntd MZ klld b scm GRD BC bd ntrl ply md CLX wndr f MZ scm sdng

    CLX wnts MZ t d twn thngs BC h s lckng
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    You're... not claiming feedback as the reason? I'm fine to move on to others of the fail train if you're actually just bad at reading my alignment.
    nt clmng fbck

    nt VRWTCH w Trcr vs Rdhg BC CLX lrnd lssn frm Dc ML

    f MZ twn thn MZ ply s stpd nd rctv


    MZ pcks n smpl trgts lk msk nd CLX


    lts f tlk bt th ntrl
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I did not visit Unknown last night. Unless I'm misreading what she's saying, Calix is pulling some shit out of her ass. Since her alleged blackmail is a typing disorder, she can't have been ordered to fake that feedback. Town Calix doing FPS? Yeah, since when? She's outright lying, and she needs to die for it.

    I am calling bullshit. Calix has been subtly driving this town into the ground went for the kill the moment we got a TPR claim last night.

    It stops now.

    -vote Calix
    nvm MZ v stpd nd cnt slp

    CLX clmng MZ ntrl

    MZ ntrl r rd nt fdbck

    nt clmng TPR vst n MZ

    wld clm TPR bt CLX nt dng tht

    stp bng dmb
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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    so sorry i am not kissing your ass or appeasing you
    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    or to better put. i dont get what you are asking at all to beginw with but if your refering to RLVGs reads lsit its something that he does all the time. when it comes to RLVG hes a diffrent player in itself
    Tht wsnt wht CLX ws syng nd ts vry clr wht CLX ws gttng crss

    dvrtng pnts n kkk cld b scmmy

    GN

    zzz
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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    good luck making it my problem that second can not read my posts
    sck ddgng f th pnt wthn th CLX pst nd dscrdtng SP

    kkk nt rctng t th stpd twn rds bt kkk scmmy
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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    people have been town reading me based on the fact im not lurking?
    not my problem
    CLX wll mk ths kkks prblm BC RLVGs rspns wth crppy twn rds ws twnr thn yrs
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    YZB25


    Wht CLX wnts t xpnd n s hw wrthlss YZB25 s ctng


    vry gm whn YZB twn YZB vry clr nd bvs twn


    YZB nt bhvng lk clr twn thrfr lkly scm by dflt


    Pls hs wllpsts f flff whr YZB sys nthng nw r crtv


    Rpts wht twns hv sd bfr hm


    H ds nt crt lgcl rgmnts lk twn YZB


    Wld kll YZB nd SJ rght nw
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    That's why you can ask her to do things? You can suggest them? They don't have to be commands.
    Aside from deathworlds (who is dead) and me (whose head you want on a platter) where are your other scum reads.

    Why do you scum read SuperJack?
    What do you have to say towards the meta used to town read you— namely, that you lurk as scum + you are not lurking right now?
    Your posts are harder to read than Calix's without vowels.
    sng mtr rds n kkk s v bd BC hs mtr s clrly chngd


    kkk nt dprssd r pthtc nymr

    lv lst cmmnt BC v fnny
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Basically the same reason I am scum reading ika.
    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    TH;DR Give your reads please.
    SP cn lv rn BC hlpfl

    hwvr SPs kkk pnts t fnsh f dy v bd

    pls mk bttr pnts gsnt kkk
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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    told you VCA is shit
    sht BC scm lrk

    scm hv lttl swy n th GM THRD

    cncldng tht BC hw gm prgrssng dsnt shw scm mnpltshn

    nt tll SJ fnshd dy w grt scmply w BMr

    scm v lrky

    kll lrkrs

    dnt kll ppl prtcptng n th GM THRD BC lss scm t kll
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Lol really, you think I'm scum because what I've done is apparently good scum play?
    Good Scum Play = Being seen as town

    Is it really inconceivable that I am really town and just playing normally.

    Your going to end up at PTB conspiracy levels soon.
    twn prspctv wkr thn scm prspctv

    twn prspctv dsnt xpln y nly bng prdctv prdctv bng srcsm btw nr fnshng f dy whn ML n tbl

    scm prspctv mr snsbl nd cnsstnt w SJ ply

    sck dscrdt thgh

    plz gv rds lk CLX
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sino View Post
    Ok, i get the most of it, i'm willing to work with you, Mesk and SW as it stands right now, let's just not rush the votes, shall we ?


    chck yzb psts

    lwst pstr

    nd sys nthng

    v sf rds BC hs 1 scmrd DWs wh ppl scmrd nywy

    tlls ppl wht t sy bt ds nthng hmslf

    lcks drv nd blty t d wht h tlls thrs t d

    nt bv twn lk yzb slly wld b

    bsclly cnfrmd scm by prvs gms
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    TLDR

    LYNCH SJ

    LYNCH SP

    LYNCH YZB

    KLL MZ GRD

    CHCK KK
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    RDS PLS RD THM V HLPFL

    Sn

    V twn scm nvr clm jlr cnfrmd twn
    Gyr v stpd w TPR rl lst

    Msk514
    V twn hs twn tn nd scm dnt clm lk Msk
    Msk nvr clmd rl frst thng whl scm n ny f hr gms
    CLX ws scm w MSK w BFN BFN BFN BFN Blck Flg Nghtlss nd thnks MSK v dffrnt
    DNT LYNCH

    SuperJack
    Scm bc wy tht DW LYNCH hppnd v gd scm ply dnt ndrstmt hm
    lrkr
    LYNCH

    MattZed
    V ntrl
    GRD KLL

    Y HS GRD NT KLLD MZ YT

    CHRST

    RLVG
    Twn bc wy rspndd t shtty twnrds v v v v twny scm dnt rct t twnrds
    DNT LYNCH

    yzb25
    thrd plcng nd wrts nthng wth psts
    lrkr
    LYNCH

    SilverWolf
    Lts f mndmldng
    DNT LYNCH

    ika
    stll nd t rrd bt SP ttckng hm v bd
    nt rdng CLX psts mns pssbl scm knwng CLX dngrs t scm nd wnts t sht CLX nd stp CLX pstng

    secondpassing
    Scm r bd
    LYNCH

    RLVG pls wrk w CLX nd Sn nd MSK nd SW twn blck nd vt tgthr
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