December 22nd, 2017, 04:33 PM
Thank you to iced for hosting and to everyone for playing. I had a fun time. Up until the end I was kept guessing if we had it figured out or not.
Re: fake castro claim: [MENTION=6527]Voss[/MENTION] Was that so you would know who not to nightkill? (i.e. survivor) I still don't see how that's a good town move.
Re: mass claiming, I think that setups with even numbers of citizens/TPRs (in this case 4&4) makes it a good strategy to mass claim role slot. You can find people scummy if they claim TPR, push a lynch against a fellow TPR claimer and then later retract their TPR claim, etc. With an even number of TPR/citizens then you can just pick the more heavily claimed category and lynch from that pool. And also it makes it possible to find scum via POE. In setups with a higher imbalance of citizens/TPR like 8 citizens and 1 cop, then it's obviously pointless for the cop to claim. People should design strategies designed to punish town for mass claiming, but it's not on the players for deciding to take advantage of a mass claim strategy if it will put the town at an advantage.
Thank you to iced for hosting and to everyone for playing. I had a fun time. Up until the end I was kept guessing if we had it figured out or not.
Re: fake castro claim:
@Voss
Was that so you would know who not to nightkill? (i.e. survivor) I still don't see how that's a good town move.
Re: mass claiming, I think that setups with even numbers of citizens/TPRs (in this case 4&4) makes it a good strategy to mass claim role slot. You can find people scummy if they claim TPR, push a lynch against a fellow TPR claimer and then later retract their TPR claim, etc. With an even number of TPR/citizens then you can just pick the more heavily claimed category and lynch from that pool. And also it makes it possible to find scum via POE. In setups with a higher imbalance of citizens/TPR like 8 citizens and 1 cop, then it's obviously pointless for the cop to claim. People should design strategies designed to punish town for mass claiming, but it's not on the players for deciding to take advantage of a mass claim strategy if it will put the town at an advantage.
December 18th, 2017, 12:33 AM
[vote]Yukitaka Oni[/vote]
I feel pretty good with this vote.
Distorted is 100% town, and even swore on blinkskater's kids
Fury is last TPR, another TPR not claiming at this point is basically throwing.
Hybrid is townsiding neutral
Whad is Whadimir.
Efekann if mafia I'm sure would have been coached to do more in our prof. chat to avoid suspicion
So for me it's probably Voss, if not Voss, probably unknown, and if not unknown then I guess Efekann but I would be very surprised.
Let's lynch Yuki today and probably (if Voss is mafia) then mafia will call no ballistics, and then we lynch Voss tomorrow. Hope I can get a heal off on the right person.
-vote Yukitaka Oni
I feel pretty good with this vote.
Distorted is 100% town, and even swore on blinkskater's kids
Fury is last TPR, another TPR not claiming at this point is basically throwing.
Hybrid is townsiding neutral
Whad is Whadimir.
Efekann if mafia I'm sure would have been coached to do more in our prof. chat to avoid suspicion
So for me it's probably Voss, if not Voss, probably unknown, and if not unknown then I guess Efekann but I would be very surprised.
Let's lynch Yuki today and probably (if Voss is mafia) then mafia will call no ballistics, and then we lynch Voss tomorrow. Hope I can get a heal off on the right person.
December 17th, 2017, 03:45 PM
Regardless of if Voss is town or mafia, I expected he wouldn't kill anyone with his gun last night. (read setup and see what you come up with Distorted) So let's see what he has to say but I am pretty sure I stopped the one and only expected night kill from last night.
The mafia tried to kill Hybrid!! Can you post that in big letters so he reads it Distorted? I think Hybrid only listens when u type lol.
Regardless of if Voss is town or mafia, I expected he wouldn't kill anyone with his gun last night. (read setup and see what you come up with Distorted) So let's see what he has to say but I am pretty sure I stopped the one and only expected night kill from last night.
The mafia tried to kill Hybrid!! Can you post that in big letters so he reads it Distorted? I think Hybrid only listens when u type lol.
December 17th, 2017, 03:42 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;710069]aight. either way though once tomorrow comes, both yuki and voss will be dead, so if the games still going and yuki was TPR, just lynch fury =P
I want to know if some1 else was healed though... Figured RLVG would have used his heat action the first night, so both mafia would right now have a gun....and Hybrid gave Voss a gun N2.. hmm
:think:[/QUOTE]
No I thought through this. I am pretty sure I know what Voss is going to claim happened aka why he didn't shoot Yuki with his gun last night. But I wanna hear what he says first.
Originally Posted by
Distorted
aight. either way though once tomorrow comes, both yuki and voss will be dead, so if the games still going and yuki was TPR, just lynch fury =P
I want to know if some1 else was healed though... Figured RLVG would have used his heat action the first night, so both mafia would right now have a gun....and Hybrid gave Voss a gun N2.. hmm
:think:
No I thought through this. I am pretty sure I know what Voss is going to claim happened aka why he didn't shoot Yuki with his gun last night. But I wanna hear what he says first.
December 17th, 2017, 03:34 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;710067]but Voss claimed cit, not TPR, meaning that Fury is uncounterclaimed second TPR.[/QUOTE]
Yes I know. I just still feel weird about Fury because Nawa cc'ed me as Whadimir....
Originally Posted by
Distorted
but Voss claimed cit, not TPR, meaning that Fury is uncounterclaimed second TPR.
Yes I know. I just still feel weird about Fury because Nawa cc'ed me as Whadimir....
December 17th, 2017, 03:28 PM
I think we should get Yuki today because some small part of me wonders if there's any possible way in which Nawa/Fury is scum over Voss? But this may become more clear based on what Nawa/Fury says once they catch up.
I think we should get Yuki today because some small part of me wonders if there's any possible way in which Nawa/Fury is scum over Voss? But this may become more clear based on what Nawa/Fury says once they catch up.
December 17th, 2017, 03:26 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;710062][vote]voss[/vote]
Any heals?
[MENTION=28306]Whad[/MENTION]
...was expecting 1-2 deaths last night lol[/QUOTE]
I was expecting only 1 death last night. Gonna wait and see what people claim, because it will help me be more certain about who the baddies are. But yes, I am responsible for preventing one lucky [MENTION=28998]Hybrid[/MENTION] from dying last night.
Pls keep townsiding because the mafia tried to take your win away from you!!! What evil mean bad guys. Now that's just petty at this point.
Originally Posted by
Distorted
-vote voss
Any heals?
@
Whad
...was expecting 1-2 deaths last night lol
I was expecting only 1 death last night. Gonna wait and see what people claim, because it will help me be more certain about who the baddies are. But yes, I am responsible for preventing one lucky
@Hybrid
from dying last night.
Pls keep townsiding because the mafia tried to take your win away from you!!! What evil mean bad guys. Now that's just petty at this point.
December 15th, 2017, 11:36 PM
Nobody is ever on when I'm on ;(
Nobody is ever on when I'm on
December 15th, 2017, 11:25 PM
[vote]RLVG[/vote]
But just FYI we should allow Fury as much time as possible to catch up. I'm a bit shocked if neither Efekann nor Nawa turns out to be scum but at the very least it looks like RLVG for sure is scum.
-vote RLVG
But just FYI we should allow Fury as much time as possible to catch up. I'm a bit shocked if neither Efekann nor Nawa turns out to be scum but at the very least it looks like RLVG for sure is scum.
December 15th, 2017, 11:24 PM
Wow so I guess it's pretty much solved then and that Efekann actually is town lol.
[MENTION=28998]Hybrid[/MENTION] I will heal you if you send Efekann a vest tonight. I will probably get murdered so it will be good if you can send Efekann an item since I wouldn't be able to use it.
Or I wonder if mafia would then try to kill me and Efekann... In any case PSS on me and hope we can avoid me dying that way.
Wow so I guess it's pretty much solved then and that Efekann actually is town lol.
@Hybrid
I will heal you if you send Efekann a vest tonight. I will probably get murdered so it will be good if you can send Efekann an item since I wouldn't be able to use it.
Or I wonder if mafia would then try to kill me and Efekann... In any case PSS on me and hope we can avoid me dying that way.
December 15th, 2017, 11:22 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;709994]and im pretty sure them being able to change roles or abilities is something that would HAVE to be noted in the rules.[/QUOTE]
It's usually implied in every setup that any mafia can forego their usual night action to perform the kill OR in some cases perform a kill in addition to their night action. Plus there is no mafioso in the setup unless sleeper agent gets converted.
[COLOR="#00FF00"]May any member of the mafia be sent for the mafia factional kill? Would a mafia member have to forego their normal night action to perform a factional kill?[/COLOR]
Originally Posted by
Distorted
and im pretty sure them being able to change roles or abilities is something that would HAVE to be noted in the rules.
It's usually implied in every setup that any mafia can forego their usual night action to perform the kill OR in some cases perform a kill in addition to their night action. Plus there is no mafioso in the setup unless sleeper agent gets converted.
May any member of the mafia be sent for the mafia factional kill? Would a mafia member have to forego their normal night action to perform a factional kill?
December 15th, 2017, 11:20 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;709935][MENTION=28306]Whad[/MENTION] btw: protect hybrid tonight. A survivor willing to give up his win for town is not something that comes around often, gives good reputation to the "survivors always side with evils" theory. If he is willing to do that, I am willing to die and give him his win with the town, rather than taking the safer alternative and letting him die. He could have ended the game today if he used his heat, he did not. Protect hybrid, keep him alive :) He will get his win with us.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I will protect Hybrid. Thanks to him for not just skipping the day.
Originally Posted by
Distorted
@
Whad
btw: protect hybrid tonight. A survivor willing to give up his win for town is not something that comes around often, gives good reputation to the "survivors always side with evils" theory. If he is willing to do that, I am willing to die and give him his win with the town, rather than taking the safer alternative and letting him die. He could have ended the game today if he used his heat, he did not. Protect hybrid, keep him alive
He will get his win with us.
Yeah I will protect Hybrid. Thanks to him for not just skipping the day.
December 15th, 2017, 11:07 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;709841]no they cant. But Consort has the ability to give Consigliere a 1 shot gun. and GF (yuki, can kill) so there will be 2 kills tonight, just please vote YUKI FIRST TOMORROW, then voss. since after voss uses that 1 shot gun, no more kills can happen from ihm.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure any mafia can be sent for the factional kill just FYI
[QUOTE=Unknown1234;709850]Actually good point. He’s probably hoping Nawa continyes throwing and Whad keeps afking.[/QUOTE]
I'm not AFK'ing. I can't help that Iced's games are really bad for my time zone/availability. But I'm not afk, I'm still here. Just unable to be on anywhere near EoD.
Originally Posted by
Distorted
no they cant. But Consort has the ability to give Consigliere a 1 shot gun. and GF (yuki, can kill) so there will be 2 kills tonight, just please vote YUKI FIRST TOMORROW, then voss. since after voss uses that 1 shot gun, no more kills can happen from ihm.
Pretty sure any mafia can be sent for the factional kill just FYI
Originally Posted by
Unknown1234
Actually good point. He’s probably hoping Nawa continyes throwing and Whad keeps afking.
I'm not AFK'ing. I can't help that Iced's games are really bad for my time zone/availability. But I'm not afk, I'm still here. Just unable to be on anywhere near EoD.
December 15th, 2017, 11:01 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;709777][MENTION=28306]Whad[/MENTION] STAY ON HYBRID
[MENTION=28998]Hybrid[/MENTION] stay on Whad :)
After we get voss, we can hit yuki. then mafia can no longer kill.[/QUOTE]
What about Hybrid vest Efekann and I'll heal Hybrid? Mafia can kill me and then Efekann wouldn't have a vest.
Originally Posted by
Distorted
@
Whad
STAY ON HYBRID
@
Hybrid
stay on Whad
After we get voss, we can hit yuki. then mafia can no longer kill.
What about Hybrid vest Efekann and I'll heal Hybrid? Mafia can kill me and then Efekann wouldn't have a vest.
December 15th, 2017, 10:52 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;709756]Wait... Whad shot spruance 2. I think that is 2 death notes there?
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Are we supposed to be able to tell if it is 2 death notes? or is that the standard format for 1 or 2?[/COLOR]
I think that is 2 death notes.[/QUOTE]
I didn't have a gun and also did not shoot spruance.
Originally Posted by
Distorted
Wait... Whad shot spruance 2. I think that is 2 death notes there?
Are we supposed to be able to tell if it is 2 death notes? or is that the standard format for 1 or 2?
I think that is 2 death notes.
I didn't have a gun and also did not shoot spruance.
December 15th, 2017, 10:46 PM
[QUOTE=Voss;709715]With Whad not showing up to change his mind, I do that 100% of the games I'm in. I'm a firm believer in following the TPR. (I'd actually like to convince the TPR to go elsewhere, but if they're not willing, game loss would be on them). And anyway, with a Spruance lynch, blink would still be alive to kill a mafia for us, as I set that up for. And assuming Nawa is just the worlds worst TPR (which I dont think is the case), from your perspective, lynching nawa would have put us in the same place for today.
Unknown, I can concede SOME of those categorizations can be read that way, but some of them are just false. I'll go through them once Hybrid comes online, but he's literally deciding game right now.
~~
I don't know why I'm having these conversations with at the least one confirmed mafia. Toodles until someone mentions me that Hybrid is back. Please don't be an ass and not mention me![/QUOTE]
I don't find someone voting with confirmed TPR suspicious (heck, I did it with MM on scvmurderer), but I think that in your case it seems suspicious that you turned on a belief you really firmly held (that you should not lynch a TPR claimer).
Originally Posted by
Voss
With Whad not showing up to change his mind, I do that 100% of the games I'm in. I'm a firm believer in following the TPR. (I'd actually like to convince the TPR to go elsewhere, but if they're not willing, game loss would be on them). And anyway, with a Spruance lynch, blink would still be alive to kill a mafia for us, as I set that up for. And assuming Nawa is just the worlds worst TPR (which I dont think is the case), from your perspective, lynching nawa would have put us in the same place for today.
Unknown, I can concede SOME of those categorizations can be read that way, but some of them are just false. I'll go through them once Hybrid comes online, but he's literally deciding game right now.
~~
I don't know why I'm having these conversations with at the least one confirmed mafia. Toodles until someone mentions me that Hybrid is back. Please don't be an ass and not mention me!
I don't find someone voting with confirmed TPR suspicious (heck, I did it with MM on scvmurderer), but I think that in your case it seems suspicious that you turned on a belief you really firmly held (that you should not lynch a TPR claimer).
December 15th, 2017, 10:22 PM
[QUOTE=Nawa;709672][vote]whad[/vote]
i am the real lenin[/QUOTE]
Lies
Originally Posted by
Nawa
-vote whad
i am the real lenin
Lies
December 15th, 2017, 10:19 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;709654]honestly, dont buy it. RLVG was 1 of the FEW people who would NOT vote u. I think RLVG and Voss jus staged that. IF SO that literally confirms a yuki, RLVG Voss team.
DOES ANYONE ELSE CLAIM THEY WERE RBED? [MENTION=28306]Whad[/MENTION] specifically?[/QUOTE]
Not role blocked.
Originally Posted by
Distorted
honestly, dont buy it. RLVG was 1 of the FEW people who would NOT vote u. I think RLVG and Voss jus staged that. IF SO that literally confirms a yuki, RLVG Voss team.
DOES ANYONE ELSE CLAIM THEY WERE RBED?
@
Whad
specifically?
Not role blocked.
December 15th, 2017, 10:15 PM
I just got prodded for low activity even though my time zone makes it unable for me to post during day before about now anyway....?
I just got prodded for low activity even though my time zone makes it unable for me to post during day before about now anyway....?
December 14th, 2017, 07:29 AM
Maybe appeals to emotion/swearing on kids is my blind spot, but Distorted and blinkskater put enough reasonable doubt into my mind that we shouldn't lynch Distorted today. Plus my reread identified the secret TPR which is either masterful breadcrumbing by scum, or an actual secret TPR claim.
Maybe appeals to emotion/swearing on kids is my blind spot, but Distorted and blinkskater put enough reasonable doubt into my mind that we shouldn't lynch Distorted today. Plus my reread identified the secret TPR which is either masterful breadcrumbing by scum, or an actual secret TPR claim.
December 14th, 2017, 07:26 AM
[vote]Spruance[/vote]
If this is wrong then we've lost anyway. But I don't see this being wrong since Spruance is very highly likely not a TPR.
-vote Spruance
If this is wrong then we've lost anyway. But I don't see this being wrong since Spruance is very highly likely not a TPR.
December 13th, 2017, 09:39 PM
[QUOTE=Spruance;707783]I just want to lynch one capitalist scum today and after that whatever happens happens. Between Voss, RLVG, and Distorted, one or more is certainly scum and dangerous, so I think we should focus on them and independently decide which should be executed. No listening to other people, because the chances are too high that you're listening to scum, just like with scv's death. There are still enough town to lynch, so use your brain not someone elses.[/QUOTE]
Spruance wants to focus on lynching a mafia today. Not look for the SK. Interesting.
It's weird how Unknown immediately goes after Spruance on D2 beginning. Possibly Unknown is Nixon who checked Spruance the night before and learned he is SK? This is just because Nawa and Efekann hadn't posted at that point to communicate any night results. (At that point, Blinkskater, Voss, RLVG, Whad had posted).
Originally Posted by
Spruance
I just want to lynch one capitalist scum today and after that whatever happens happens. Between Voss, RLVG, and Distorted, one or more is certainly scum and dangerous, so I think we should focus on them and independently decide which should be executed. No listening to other people, because the chances are too high that you're listening to scum, just like with scv's death. There are still enough town to lynch, so use your brain not someone elses.
Spruance wants to focus on lynching a mafia today. Not look for the SK. Interesting.
It's weird how Unknown immediately goes after Spruance on D2 beginning. Possibly Unknown is Nixon who checked Spruance the night before and learned he is SK? This is just because Nawa and Efekann hadn't posted at that point to communicate any night results. (At that point, Blinkskater, Voss, RLVG, Whad had posted).
December 13th, 2017, 09:32 PM
[QUOTE=Voss;707730][B][U]I'm going to rail so hard on something if someone does it today. This is my soft claim, Distorted. I'm planning and will execute it.
[/U][/B]
[SIZE=2]How the eff do we have 3 reserves and no replacement!!!!.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Btw Voss what was this post about?
Originally Posted by
Voss
I'm going to rail so hard on something if someone does it today. This is my soft claim, Distorted. I'm planning and will execute it.
How the eff do we have 3 reserves and no replacement!!!!.
Btw Voss what was this post about?
December 13th, 2017, 09:26 PM
[QUOTE=Yukitaka Oni;709011]If roleblock....maybe Lenin couldn’t also have night chat with his target right?[/QUOTE]
No the night chat opening is a day action and it opens at the start of night before roleblocks happen.
Originally Posted by
Yukitaka Oni
If roleblock....maybe Lenin couldn’t also have night chat with his target right?
No the night chat opening is a day action and it opens at the start of night before roleblocks happen.
December 13th, 2017, 09:25 PM
[QUOTE=RLVG;709004]It's easily deductible because Marsh died, who were supposedly defended.[/QUOTE]
Yes, exactly. But I mean that then Spruance can't claim to be Anti-Communist Agent turned American Reporter because the SK was roleblocked N1 meaning that his plan got set back one night.
I hypothesize that Spruance purposefully no-killed on N1 and didn't realize anything was up until I said I defended MM and was confused. Gonna re-read D2 start.
Originally Posted by
RLVG
It's easily deductible because Marsh died, who were supposedly defended.
Yes, exactly. But I mean that then Spruance can't claim to be Anti-Communist Agent turned American Reporter because the SK was roleblocked N1 meaning that his plan got set back one night.
I hypothesize that Spruance purposefully no-killed on N1 and didn't realize anything was up until I said I defended MM and was confused. Gonna re-read D2 start.
December 13th, 2017, 09:22 PM
[QUOTE=RLVG;709001]Let's see... There's 3x Mafia.
Because they used the big roleblock, it means that they can't do it again.
If I use my ability correctly, I might maybe be able to prevent the factional kill - but I might also fuck it up for Town if I chose poorly.
Problem with SK : They can Roleblock two of us for two days if they use the heat action, effectively nerfing healing to the extreme if it hits you.
I propose that we lynch the SK and hope I can WIFOM with my roleblock to hit the correct factional killer.[/QUOTE]
The SK roleblock is random though. It could just as easily hit mafia as the town.
Originally Posted by
RLVG
Let's see... There's 3x Mafia.
Because they used the big roleblock, it means that they can't do it again.
If I use my ability correctly, I might maybe be able to prevent the factional kill - but I might also fuck it up for Town if I chose poorly.
Problem with SK : They can Roleblock two of us for two days if they use the heat action, effectively nerfing healing to the extreme if it hits you.
I propose that we lynch the SK and hope I can WIFOM with my roleblock to hit the correct factional killer.
The SK roleblock is random though. It could just as easily hit mafia as the town.
December 13th, 2017, 09:16 PM
[QUOTE=RLVG;708993]... :|
This makes too much sense.
Start a train?[/QUOTE]
I was thinking the only weird thing is that such a claim wouldn't be able to hold up because an article would never get published, however...
Step 1. Claim attacked by SK N1
Step 2. Claim Anti Communist Agent who turned into American Reporter without ever publishing an article
Step 3. Claim that you want to wait until the game is closer to completion before you interview someone and change your win condition
Step 4. Never have to publish an article because you never "changed your win condition" because you are the SK
I think that Step 1 of this plan couldn't happen though once Sprunce learned that the mafia used a heat ability to block everyone.
For reference:
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Anti-Communist Agent[/COLOR]
Ask a player during the day to post a anonymous message for the next day
player asked must post a report to the Putin(me) to be posted to town if they do not comply a 'Accident, will be staged on such player.
if attacked by the Capitalist Scum will covert into a American reporter.
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]American Reporter[/COLOR]
Choose a player to post a anonymous message the next day, non mandatory
Heat action:Free Press, Change his/her win con to:
Make sure the Proletariat wins-is revealed to town but cannot be lynched for 1 day.
Make sure Stalin wins-gain a auto vest and 1 use gun.
Make sure Fidel Castro wins-gets revealed but is immune to attacks.
Continue with the Own agenda-Continue with win condition.
Originally Posted by
RLVG
...
This makes too much sense.
Start a train?
I was thinking the only weird thing is that such a claim wouldn't be able to hold up because an article would never get published, however...
Step 1. Claim attacked by SK N1
Step 2. Claim Anti Communist Agent who turned into American Reporter without ever publishing an article
Step 3. Claim that you want to wait until the game is closer to completion before you interview someone and change your win condition
Step 4. Never have to publish an article because you never "changed your win condition" because you are the SK
I think that Step 1 of this plan couldn't happen though once Sprunce learned that the mafia used a heat ability to block everyone.
For reference:
Anti-Communist Agent
Ask a player during the day to post a anonymous message for the next day
player asked must post a report to the Putin(me) to be posted to town if they do not comply a 'Accident, will be staged on such player.
if attacked by the Capitalist Scum will covert into a American reporter.
American Reporter
Choose a player to post a anonymous message the next day, non mandatory
Heat action:Free Press, Change his/her win con to:
Make sure the Proletariat wins-is revealed to town but cannot be lynched for 1 day.
Make sure Stalin wins-gain a auto vest and 1 use gun.
Make sure Fidel Castro wins-gets revealed but is immune to attacks.
Continue with the Own agenda-Continue with win condition.
December 13th, 2017, 09:10 PM
I want to know what RLVG thinks we should do because Voss obviously doesn't know what is going on right now.
I want to know what RLVG thinks we should do because Voss obviously doesn't know what is going on right now.
December 13th, 2017, 09:07 PM
If we want to eliminate the SK we should vote Spruance.
Not sure if we then lose the tempo game against the mafia.
If we want to eliminate the SK we should vote Spruance.
Not sure if we then lose the tempo game against the mafia.
December 13th, 2017, 09:06 PM
[QUOTE=Voss;708988]I hardcore claim citizen. Put the heal elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
Can you read between the lines? I know you're a citizen claimer claiming citizen but I'm trying to have you provide cover for the actual sleeper agent.
Originally Posted by
Voss
I hardcore claim citizen. Put the heal elsewhere.
Can you read between the lines? I know you're a citizen claimer claiming citizen but I'm trying to have you provide cover for the actual sleeper agent.
December 13th, 2017, 09:04 PM
Like KGB Agent/Sleeper Agent just makes so much sense...
OH hey. Spruance claimed Anti Communist Agent earlier and semi-retracted. If attacked by SK, he would turn into american reporter which is a neutral. Spruance for SK who wants to claim American Reporter.
Mafia: Unknown, Efekann, Nawa (which would then make sense why Unknown doesn't want to lynch Nawa).
Like KGB Agent/Sleeper Agent just makes so much sense...
OH hey. Spruance claimed Anti Communist Agent earlier and semi-retracted. If attacked by SK, he would turn into american reporter which is a neutral. Spruance for SK who wants to claim American Reporter.
Mafia: Unknown, Efekann, Nawa (which would then make sense why Unknown doesn't want to lynch Nawa).
December 13th, 2017, 09:01 PM
[QUOTE=Voss;708981]I don't want a heal, and wish to die.[/QUOTE]
Also as sleeper agent not wanting a heal means that you want to turn into mafia. Please don't be anti-town here.
Originally Posted by
Voss
I don't want a heal, and wish to die.
Also as sleeper agent not wanting a heal means that you want to turn into mafia. Please don't be anti-town here.
December 13th, 2017, 09:00 PM
[QUOTE=Voss;708984]and if we're wrong its even more detrimental to the town, because we lose out on that ability. and this is even assuming a TPR is hiding.[/QUOTE]
If the TPRs were anything other than KGB Agent/Sleeper Agent I would totally agree with you here Voss. The only bad thing is that when we let scum take care of sorting the TPR claims via who flips dead in the graveyard it actually converts sleeper agent to the mafia's side. That's WORSE than a night kill since it's +1 to the mafia.
Originally Posted by
Voss
and if we're wrong its even more detrimental to the town, because we lose out on that ability. and this is even assuming a TPR is hiding.
If the TPRs were anything other than KGB Agent/Sleeper Agent I would totally agree with you here Voss. The only bad thing is that when we let scum take care of sorting the TPR claims via who flips dead in the graveyard it actually converts sleeper agent to the mafia's side. That's WORSE than a night kill since it's +1 to the mafia.
December 13th, 2017, 08:52 PM
[QUOTE=RLVG;708973]You know I can confirm myself by denying someone from voting and that counts as an unique feedback, yeah?[/QUOTE]
Hmm well I guess Sleeper Agent/KGB Agent kinda makes sense for roles in the game. And the hidden TPR claimer makes sense as a sleeper agent.
So let's swap Spruance for RLVG:
SK - Nawa
Mafia - Unknown
Mafia - Spruance
Mafia - Efekann
I'm less sure about this but becoming more convinced that sleeper agent/KGB agent makes sense and that's why the sleeper agent (Voss) claimed citizen and became really weird when I outed him. I think I can heal the sleeper agent though to prevent them getting converted? At least for the short term.
Originally Posted by
RLVG
You know I can confirm myself by denying someone from voting and that counts as an unique feedback, yeah?
Hmm well I guess Sleeper Agent/KGB Agent kinda makes sense for roles in the game. And the hidden TPR claimer makes sense as a sleeper agent.
So let's swap Spruance for RLVG:
SK - Nawa
Mafia - Unknown
Mafia - Spruance
Mafia - Efekann
I'm less sure about this but becoming more convinced that sleeper agent/KGB agent makes sense and that's why the sleeper agent (Voss) claimed citizen and became really weird when I outed him. I think I can heal the sleeper agent though to prevent them getting converted? At least for the short term.
December 13th, 2017, 08:47 PM
Let's swap Nawa as sk, and make mafia: Unknown, RLVG, and Efekann. Going to try to read and see if this makes sense.
Let's swap Nawa as sk, and make mafia: Unknown, RLVG, and Efekann. Going to try to read and see if this makes sense.
December 13th, 2017, 08:45 PM
[QUOTE=Voss;708970]look's like Whad's brains are actually fried!
If you putting me on TPR list means me dying tonight. please. scum kill me.[/QUOTE]
So you disagree with my analysis that one of the citizen claims is actually TPR?
I was trying to give you a chance to take a bullet since it's not you. But your response is a bit suspicious here.
Originally Posted by
Voss
look's like Whad's brains are actually fried!
If you putting me on TPR list means me dying tonight. please. scum kill me.
So you disagree with my analysis that one of the citizen claims is actually TPR?
I was trying to give you a chance to take a bullet since it's not you. But your response is a bit suspicious here.
December 13th, 2017, 08:43 PM
[QUOTE=RLVG;708967]That's just shitty. Suspicious eye on Efekann now.
Ohhhhh!
How do you even know how the threat took place, and why is that legitimate reason of reading Efekann?
Excuse me, but the day was still early lol.
Poor kids. LUL
But Citizen are not supposed to do that. FailFish
D'aww!
THE FUCK LUL
The fuck? If both Nawa and me are scum, that leaves 1 TPR as a Citizen claimer. NotLikeThis
This logic doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
Glad to know you're unaligned scum then.
Originally Posted by
RLVG
That's just shitty. Suspicious eye on Efekann now.
Ohhhhh!
How do you even know how the threat took place, and why is that legitimate reason of reading Efekann?
Excuse me, but the day was still early lol.
Poor kids.
But Citizen are not supposed to do that.
D'aww!
THE FUCK
The fuck? If both Nawa and me are scum, that leaves 1 TPR as a Citizen claimer.
This logic doesn't work.
Glad to know you're unaligned scum then.
December 13th, 2017, 08:37 PM
Here's what I'm thinking right now. I picked up on a citizen claimer who is TPR hiding as a citizen claimer. I believe Spruance and the hidden TPR as town over Nawa and RLVG. Sorry for outing you Voss, but I think that it's important for everyone to know that your hidden TPR claim is a thing. By process of elimination the rest are scum. I need to re-read though and see if this set of roles makes sense though since this is my jumbled interpretation after getting caught up with the game thread.
Whadimir - Whad
Hidden TPR - Spruance
Hidden TPR - Voss
Citizen - Yukitaka Oni
Citizen - Distorted
Citizen - Blinkskater
Hybrid - cus neutral
Unknown1234 - serial killer
Consort - RLVG
Mafia - Nawa
Mafia - Efekannn02
Here's what I'm thinking right now. I picked up on a citizen claimer who is TPR hiding as a citizen claimer. I believe Spruance and the hidden TPR as town over Nawa and RLVG. Sorry for outing you Voss, but I think that it's important for everyone to know that your hidden TPR claim is a thing. By process of elimination the rest are scum. I need to re-read though and see if this set of roles makes sense though since this is my jumbled interpretation after getting caught up with the game thread.
Whadimir - Whad
Hidden TPR - Spruance
Hidden TPR - Voss
Citizen - Yukitaka Oni
Citizen - Distorted
Citizen - Blinkskater
Hybrid - cus neutral
Unknown1234 - serial killer
Consort - RLVG
Mafia - Nawa
Mafia - Efekannn02
December 13th, 2017, 08:29 PM
[QUOTE=Spruance;708960][vote]Yukitaka Oni[/vote]
Not changing it. Lottery ftw.[/QUOTE]
Unvote. Hard town reading Yukitaka Oni so we're not lynching him today or ever if I can help it.
Originally Posted by
Spruance
-vote Yukitaka Oni
Not changing it. Lottery ftw.
Unvote. Hard town reading Yukitaka Oni so we're not lynching him today or ever if I can help it.
December 13th, 2017, 08:21 PM
Honestly I think that Nawa and RLVG are both scum now because a few people are lying about their roles. But I need to go through and figure out what the implications of this are.
It might open up a slot for Distorted as town although it's a head scratcher for sure.
Honestly I think that Nawa and RLVG are both scum now because a few people are lying about their roles. But I need to go through and figure out what the implications of this are.
It might open up a slot for Distorted as town although it's a head scratcher for sure.
December 13th, 2017, 08:16 PM
[vote]unvote[/vote]
Hmm ok I need to think a little bit.
-vote unvote
Hmm ok I need to think a little bit.
December 13th, 2017, 07:37 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;708660]that is suspect as hell too, which u didnt come clean at until AFTER spy died. pretty much gave hybrid a false sense of not needing to protect/vest MM. I mean going through ur game just seems full of scum plays.[/QUOTE]
How is distorted so bad this game?
1. It was already was answered that my heal protects against all attacks.
2. Vests handed out by survivor cannot be used until the next night due to order of operations. (slight aside, scum can get an auto-vest so you being scum is probably why you're confused about vest mechanics.)
3. We already established a long time ago that the mafia roleblocked everyone so Hybrid wasn't even able to give out items.
I'm forced to conclude from all this that yup Distorted is still scum despite the blatant appeals to emotion by swearing on blink's kids.
Originally Posted by
Distorted
that is suspect as hell too, which u didnt come clean at until AFTER spy died. pretty much gave hybrid a false sense of not needing to protect/vest MM. I mean going through ur game just seems full of scum plays.
How is distorted so bad this game?
1. It was already was answered that my heal protects against all attacks.
2. Vests handed out by survivor cannot be used until the next night due to order of operations. (slight aside, scum can get an auto-vest so you being scum is probably why you're confused about vest mechanics.)
3. We already established a long time ago that the mafia roleblocked everyone so Hybrid wasn't even able to give out items.
I'm forced to conclude from all this that yup Distorted is still scum despite the blatant appeals to emotion by swearing on blink's kids.
December 13th, 2017, 07:24 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;708909]if u made him protege and he blew it off, ill hammer him. that is info i had no idea about. I still think u should have trusted hybrid with it though =P[/QUOTE]
1. I don't trust neutrals.
2. Now scum have incentive to kill a less analysis heavy slot (mafia or sk).
3. I townread efekann originally but also wanted to use the prof. chat to consolidate my read on him.
I guess one question I have is what motivation does efekann have to blow off professor chat? I think it's a more scum motivation although scum might want to play ball with me better to blend in. I think that the lack of voting with me on Distorted is what is pinging my scumdar the hardest.
Originally Posted by
Distorted
if u made him protege and he blew it off, ill hammer him. that is info i had no idea about. I still think u should have trusted hybrid with it though =P
1. I don't trust neutrals.
2. Now scum have incentive to kill a less analysis heavy slot (mafia or sk).
3. I townread efekann originally but also wanted to use the prof. chat to consolidate my read on him.
I guess one question I have is what motivation does efekann have to blow off professor chat? I think it's a more scum motivation although scum might want to play ball with me better to blend in. I think that the lack of voting with me on Distorted is what is pinging my scumdar the hardest.
December 13th, 2017, 07:21 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;708905]Honestly I want to hear if Whad is going to be susp of me all game. If it is going to mess with the game I want to let him come to the decision on if me and efe theory is plausible or the alternative theory.
Literally right now pretend I am not here, and my rolecard is town revealed confirmed. What is ur next move?[/QUOTE]
My next move is I will be dead by the beginning of the next day so not really my problem.
So I gotta make sure we take the best stab at lynching scum today as possible.
Originally Posted by
Distorted
Honestly I want to hear if Whad is going to be susp of me all game. If it is going to mess with the game I want to let him come to the decision on if me and efe theory is plausible or the alternative theory.
Literally right now pretend I am not here, and my rolecard is town revealed confirmed. What is ur next move?
My next move is I will be dead by the beginning of the next day so not really my problem.
So I gotta make sure we take the best stab at lynching scum today as possible.
December 13th, 2017, 07:19 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;708899][MENTION=28306]Whad[/MENTION] i can swear to u i am citizen, on blinks kids.
But the reason i am defending efekannn is i feel bad that he is trying hard this game after being threatened to be banned and would get lynched. I wanted to see him play more.[/QUOTE]
If efekann is town then why did he have to wait so long to post content in professor chat? It really seems like someone got coached to me.
Also his interactions and vote patterns regarding you make me suspicious. Already was independently suspecting you but I think there is def. a link here.
Originally Posted by
Distorted
@
Whad
i can swear to u i am citizen, on blinks kids.
But the reason i am defending efekannn is i feel bad that he is trying hard this game after being threatened to be banned and would get lynched. I wanted to see him play more.
If efekann is town then why did he have to wait so long to post content in professor chat? It really seems like someone got coached to me.
Also his interactions and vote patterns regarding you make me suspicious. Already was independently suspecting you but I think there is def. a link here.
December 13th, 2017, 07:10 PM
[QUOTE=Distorted;708558]Yuki I have absolutely no read on, but denying to vote and just sitting there as a cit just seems so anti-town. Citizen is a free pass to push at people and figure out wtf is going on, since we are not prime night targets; hence a lot of what I have been doing.
efekannn seems like he is trying a lot more and has put his votes where susp people are, i don't feel comofortable with an efe lynch.
Blink I am back and fourth on. The reason im not pushing much anymore is just because the group of ppl who voted him...which I wish i would have copy pasted more of. but that coming in here and voting me to L-2 without even catching up on reading with over 24 hours left, that was kind of..rushed.
Whad is whad.
RLVG is still top scum read from the TPR group
unknown - voss, apparently i cant get a second vote on either of them which in itself to me is just odd (not even 1 mafia has agreed to my points and TRIED to discredit either). but if town favors something else first; alright then I will leave it alone for now.[/QUOTE]
Distorted defending Efekann
Originally Posted by
Distorted
Yuki I have absolutely no read on, but denying to vote and just sitting there as a cit just seems so anti-town. Citizen is a free pass to push at people and figure out wtf is going on, since we are not prime night targets; hence a lot of what I have been doing.
efekannn seems like he is trying a lot more and has put his votes where susp people are, i don't feel comofortable with an efe lynch.
Blink I am back and fourth on. The reason im not pushing much anymore is just because the group of ppl who voted him...which I wish i would have copy pasted more of. but that coming in here and voting me to L-2 without even catching up on reading with over 24 hours left, that was kind of..rushed.
Whad is whad.
RLVG is still top scum read from the TPR group
unknown - voss, apparently i cant get a second vote on either of them which in itself to me is just odd (not even 1 mafia has agreed to my points and TRIED to discredit either). but if town favors something else first; alright then I will leave it alone for now.
Distorted defending Efekann
December 13th, 2017, 07:06 PM
Ok my new theory involves Distorted being mafia.
I townread Efekann and knew he is an unlikely night kill so I made him Whadimir's protege. Plus Efekann was voting happily with me on Voss yesterday so I felt like we could be a solid voting block without it seeming suspicious.
However, Efekann posted once to say hi in professor chat, and I tried to converse with him. He didn't come back to post any suspicions or information until much later (probably coached by fellow mafia members). I also notice that Efekann is avoiding at all costs to hop on my Distorted train. Distorted also keeps defending Efekann. I definitely see a strong link between the two of them.
Still though, I feel like Distorted is the better scum to lynch. SK is gonna be very wary of the mafia once I die and the mafia has doctor powers via Efekann.
Ok my new theory involves Distorted being mafia.
I townread Efekann and knew he is an unlikely night kill so I made him Whadimir's protege. Plus Efekann was voting happily with me on Voss yesterday so I felt like we could be a solid voting block without it seeming suspicious.
However, Efekann posted once to say hi in professor chat, and I tried to converse with him. He didn't come back to post any suspicions or information until much later (probably coached by fellow mafia members). I also notice that Efekann is avoiding at all costs to hop on my Distorted train. Distorted also keeps defending Efekann. I definitely see a strong link between the two of them.
Still though, I feel like Distorted is the better scum to lynch. SK is gonna be very wary of the mafia once I die and the mafia has doctor powers via Efekann.
December 13th, 2017, 10:14 AM
The way that everyone is "suspecting" Distorted but that nobody will actually vote him with me makes me more and more convinced that he is scum.
Plus, pretty sure the citizen slots go to
scvmurderer
Yuki
Efekann
(open) <- ok maybe Voss here but I waffle on this one.
The way that everyone is "suspecting" Distorted but that nobody will actually vote him with me makes me more and more convinced that he is scum.
Plus, pretty sure the citizen slots go to
scvmurderer
Yuki
Efekann
(open) <- ok maybe Voss here but I waffle on this one.
December 13th, 2017, 10:13 AM
Does anyone else find Efekann's behavior right now a little odd? He seems almost manic or something.
Does anyone else find Efekann's behavior right now a little odd? He seems almost manic or something.
December 13th, 2017, 10:12 AM
[QUOTE=Distorted;708093]we have a lot of cit claims... lol [MENTION=27577]Spruance[/MENTION] you jumping on the cit train too? not going to vote u if u claim cit, just want to know where to add your name at this point lol[/QUOTE]
WTF Distorted clearly "hasn't read" and is trying to "fake" important contributions by re-gathering info we've already gathered. Uhmmmm No. Not gonna fly.
[vote]Distorted[/vote]
Originally Posted by
Distorted
we have a lot of cit claims... lol
@
Spruance
you jumping on the cit train too? not going to vote u if u claim cit, just want to know where to add your name at this point lol
WTF Distorted clearly "hasn't read" and is trying to "fake" important contributions by re-gathering info we've already gathered. Uhmmmm No. Not gonna fly.
-vote Distorted