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/out sorry

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Could i please get a dm on discord when the game starts?

pekopeko1774

/sign

Could i please get a dm on discord when the game starts?

pekopeko1774

[QUOTE=scumbot5679;993213][IMG]https://media.makeameme.org/created/flawless-victory-j1dhnx.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyTwBLLAmNA&ab_channel=DwayneJohnson[/url]

Originally Posted by scumbot5679

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyTw...=DwayneJohnson

[QUOTE=Vittae;993222]There were points in the game where 30+ posts in a row were made by wolves and wolves had posted more than 50% of the total posts in the thread.[/QUOTE]

yeah that was great

town already had little time so we just started clogging the thread with posts to waste time. not the most ... elegant fighting style, but a wolfs gotta do what a wolfs gotta do :joycat:

Originally Posted by Vittae

There were points in the game where 30+ posts in a row were made by wolves and wolves had posted more than 50% of the total posts in the thread.

yeah that was great

town already had little time so we just started clogging the thread with posts to waste time. not the most ... elegant fighting style, but a wolfs gotta do what a wolfs gotta do :joycat:

oh and final feedback i forgot - locked votes at lylo please! always! not having locked votes at lylo makes it so the outcome of the game is often determined by availability / time zones / irl obligations. locked votes at lylo ensures the game is resolved in the context of mafia gameplay

oh and final feedback i forgot - locked votes at lylo please! always! not having locked votes at lylo makes it so the outcome of the game is often determined by availability / time zones / irl obligations. locked votes at lylo ensures the game is resolved in the context of mafia gameplay

some of the incredible things wiml did:

1) went out of his way to save me and scumbot d1 despite trying to bus him before that

2) demanded that richard and martin crossvote d4 and announced he's voting last for no reason, the balls of that guy

3) bullied richard to not vote me by threatening him with his vote

4) advised me that we should hold off voting for as long as possible to keep the threat of bullying martin and richard with votes to keep them in their place

5) posted twice more than the top posting town

im sorry that u town guys didnt have fun but wiml played a godlike game and absolutely deserved the W

some of the incredible things wiml did:

1) went out of his way to save me and scumbot d1 despite trying to bus him before that

2) demanded that richard and martin crossvote d4 and announced he's voting last for no reason, the balls of that guy

3) bullied richard to not vote me by threatening him with his vote

4) advised me that we should hold off voting for as long as possible to keep the threat of bullying martin and richard with votes to keep them in their place

5) posted twice more than the top posting town

im sorry that u town guys didnt have fun but wiml played a godlike game and absolutely deserved the W

[QUOTE=bakermir;993205]you were right. this setup is so fuckin mafia sided. this is just a scuffed mountainous where town can't even get a maj on any slot at any time[/QUOTE]

well

after the change i dont think its necessarily more mafia sided than mountainous. i think theres variance

in 12v3 u need 5 mischops to win as mafia

here u need 4 if no mafia die. 5 if one mafia dies. 6 if two mafia die. so there's a variance of +1 / 0 / -1 chops town can afford

i think the most wolfsided thing about the setup is 24 hour days

things weren't great from wolves pov too. we have no NK. no tools to kill towny players. especially in f3 - i think town almost always wins, if they make it to f3. game just needs 2 strong town players who find each other as town

another rly sucky thing for wolves is if we reach lylo - normally good for us - if town chops a wolf, we lose the lylo asset. town can afford a mischop. this was gonna be brutal

if i was chopped at any stage u guys probably could have won

overall i think this game was more so a test of endurance / how towny you can be, rather than the normal interactions of mafia gameplay

i dont think that this setup is more fun than mountainious, but thats okay, as its hard to make a more fun setup than that, thats the purest mafia setup there is

but i do like a lot of ideas of it. day phases have been communicated that its better to have been 48 hours, but i'd also suggest some sort of fix to the problem of wolves not having tools to deal with strong town players. altho i dont know how to do that without butchering the entire setup

perhaps its fine as it is - just a setup that just tests how towny u can be

i think that wiml / vittae was going to win this game pre-rand. like his alignment that he was gonna rand - that alignment was gonna win regardless of what it is. if he performed this way as wolf, imagine him as town, chopping a wolf, and wolves having 0 tools to stop him from solving the entire game

i think this setup just needed more active playerlist. it requires a lot of dedication and teamwork. i feel similarly like this to litten's terrible game - i like the setup in theory, but i ended up having to town with slankers who didn't care, the wolves top posted, i played my hearts out and i lost. and i lost that game at rand too

Originally Posted by bakermir

you were right. this setup is so fuckin mafia sided. this is just a scuffed mountainous where town can't even get a maj on any slot at any time

well

after the change i dont think its necessarily more mafia sided than mountainous. i think theres variance

in 12v3 u need 5 mischops to win as mafia

here u need 4 if no mafia die. 5 if one mafia dies. 6 if two mafia die. so there's a variance of +1 / 0 / -1 chops town can afford

i think the most wolfsided thing about the setup is 24 hour days

things weren't great from wolves pov too. we have no NK. no tools to kill towny players. especially in f3 - i think town almost always wins, if they make it to f3. game just needs 2 strong town players who find each other as town

another rly sucky thing for wolves is if we reach lylo - normally good for us - if town chops a wolf, we lose the lylo asset. town can afford a mischop. this was gonna be brutal

if i was chopped at any stage u guys probably could have won

overall i think this game was more so a test of endurance / how towny you can be, rather than the normal interactions of mafia gameplay

i dont think that this setup is more fun than mountainious, but thats okay, as its hard to make a more fun setup than that, thats the purest mafia setup there is

but i do like a lot of ideas of it. day phases have been communicated that its better to have been 48 hours, but i'd also suggest some sort of fix to the problem of wolves not having tools to deal with strong town players. altho i dont know how to do that without butchering the entire setup

perhaps its fine as it is - just a setup that just tests how towny u can be

i think that wiml / vittae was going to win this game pre-rand. like his alignment that he was gonna rand - that alignment was gonna win regardless of what it is. if he performed this way as wolf, imagine him as town, chopping a wolf, and wolves having 0 tools to stop him from solving the entire game

i think this setup just needed more active playerlist. it requires a lot of dedication and teamwork. i feel similarly like this to litten's terrible game - i like the setup in theory, but i ended up having to town with slankers who didn't care, the wolves top posted, i played my hearts out and i lost. and i lost that game at rand too

vittae wolf god

vittae wolf god

gg guys <3

gg guys <3

I think that Martin is more likely town than Richard. I think his emotions are extremely pure and Martin isn't the type of person to fabricate them as wolf. His insistence yesterday to be nommed today in lylo if lol flips town is absurd and I'm coming to terms to accepting it coming from a frustrated townie who was trying to prove a point, rather than surviving and playing optimally.

[VOTE]CRichardForumLies[/VOTE]

Sorry if I'm wrong.

I think that Martin is more likely town than Richard. I think his emotions are extremely pure and Martin isn't the type of person to fabricate them as wolf. His insistence yesterday to be nommed today in lylo if lol flips town is absurd and I'm coming to terms to accepting it coming from a frustrated townie who was trying to prove a point, rather than surviving and playing optimally.

-vote CRichardForumLies

Sorry if I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=Vittae;993121][MENTION=46600]tutuu[/MENTION] I'd like you to see you commit to a vote before I commit to mine.[/QUOTE]

let me look at their isos again quickly

Originally Posted by Vittae

@tutuu I'd like you to see you commit to a vote before I commit to mine.

let me look at their isos again quickly

[QUOTE=tutuu;993100]whenever games feel miserable and only town has died i think that means that we feel miserable coz we're itt with other townies only and we (as townies) tend to get rowdy and unpleasant. while the wolves are just sitting afk not getting their hands dirty

i think the most simple level 1 world is martin + richard + scumbot[/QUOTE]

well ikarus has one of the lowest post counts and richard has a high one but i think ikarus is just town idk man. sorry if wrong

Originally Posted by tutuu

whenever games feel miserable and only town has died i think that means that we feel miserable coz we're itt with other townies only and we (as townies) tend to get rowdy and unpleasant. while the wolves are just sitting afk not getting their hands dirty

i think the most simple level 1 world is martin + richard + scumbot

well ikarus has one of the lowest post counts and richard has a high one but i think ikarus is just town idk man. sorry if wrong

whenever games feel miserable and only town has died i think that means that we feel miserable coz we're itt with other townies only and we (as townies) tend to get rowdy and unpleasant. while the wolves are just sitting afk not getting their hands dirty

i think the most simple level 1 world is martin + richard + scumbot

whenever games feel miserable and only town has died i think that means that we feel miserable coz we're itt with other townies only and we (as townies) tend to get rowdy and unpleasant. while the wolves are just sitting afk not getting their hands dirty

i think the most simple level 1 world is martin + richard + scumbot

ikarus still town. i think towny for asking host question itt instead of in wolf chat

prolly towny for the "holding on thoughts on tutuu", villagers tend to set up "traps" more than wolves

shows a lot of depth to his thinking. he was wrong to scumread me but it was villagery imo

he doesn't seem like a flailing wolf. he's like ... "standing his ground" if that makes any sense. i think its towny

ikarus still town. i think towny for asking host question itt instead of in wolf chat

prolly towny for the "holding on thoughts on tutuu", villagers tend to set up "traps" more than wolves

shows a lot of depth to his thinking. he was wrong to scumread me but it was villagery imo

he doesn't seem like a flailing wolf. he's like ... "standing his ground" if that makes any sense. i think its towny

god vittae has 500 fucking posts

god vittae has 500 fucking posts

my eyes are closing ill try to muster the strength to iso ikarus. i need a vacation. somewhere warm. on the beach. sunny. water splishing at my toes.

my eyes are closing ill try to muster the strength to iso ikarus. i need a vacation. somewhere warm. on the beach. sunny. water splishing at my toes.

can this torment just end?

i apologize pre-emptively if i end up voting wrong at the end

and im sorry too if my reads were were really bad. i konw they were at least somewhat bad. but they can range from somewhat bad to really really bad

can this torment just end?

i apologize pre-emptively if i end up voting wrong at the end

and im sorry too if my reads were were really bad. i konw they were at least somewhat bad. but they can range from somewhat bad to really really bad

my head hurts and i feel miserable. i think that even if we chop the wolf here im not gonna be cleared, am i? im in for such a shitty ride man. altho i understand i deserve it for having equally shitty reads. but man.

my head hurts and i feel miserable. i think that even if we chop the wolf here im not gonna be cleared, am i? im in for such a shitty ride man. altho i understand i deserve it for having equally shitty reads. but man.

[QUOTE=bakermir;993087]yeah old news they can never be w/w and I am still paranoid of both

wbu?[/QUOTE]

oh wait, you're confident they can never be w/w? can you go over why? is it because of their demeanor at each other?

Originally Posted by bakermir

yeah old news they can never be w/w and I am still paranoid of both

wbu?

oh wait, you're confident they can never be w/w? can you go over why? is it because of their demeanor at each other?

[QUOTE=bakermir;992104]You ignoring my ping latest ping + MM flip + MM nominating you first

[img]https://i.ibb.co/bJYMqWY/4bb.png[/img]

I had you as one of the names in my anti-world note somewhere way before Vittae and you voted MM off.. You are being protected by multiple players here, which could potentially mean you or someone clearing you is not town as per the laws of universe. MM was DADV and was at the brink of being replaced if you guys didn't force a hammer = Both you and Vittae had an opportunity to change the votes to scumbot or lol, as MM could still be replaced if they didn't post. Additionally; scumbot if chopped and flipped town, would have certainly nominated MM given the gamestate, and would brought this up yesterday/today, but they never did.

Among MM voters scumbot/CRichard/vittae someone is a town misplaying here, and someone is mafia. Difference check

Both lol and Varcron can be nominated again at any point, and there's a good chance Varcron will be replaced if they don't post soon and the day should get another 12 hours.

I also think lol could be misread here and potentially the worst chop given it benefits mafia especially a mafia tutuu here to go for the easier mischop. You are engaged in game and if you happen to be town, it would be in your interest to discuss a set of nominations with us if possible.[U]You[/U] were the first one to coin the idea that there is a wolf in Baker/Vittae/Tutuu/Martin along with Varcron/MM containing the other wolf and I asked if anything has changed.

Let me know where your thoughts are at.[/QUOTE]

i think im just gonna call baker town and try to get myself away from my paranoia

making an excel sheet but then "indirectly" sharing it - as in - beside the point - is unlikely as wolf. it takes a lot of effort, only to not claim credit for it properly - thats just towny asf

Originally Posted by bakermir

You ignoring my ping latest ping + MM flip + MM nominating you first



I had you as one of the names in my anti-world note somewhere way before Vittae and you voted MM off.. You are being protected by multiple players here, which could potentially mean you or someone clearing you is not town as per the laws of universe. MM was DADV and was at the brink of being replaced if you guys didn't force a hammer = Both you and Vittae had an opportunity to change the votes to scumbot or lol, as MM could still be replaced if they didn't post. Additionally; scumbot if chopped and flipped town, would have certainly nominated MM given the gamestate, and would brought this up yesterday/today, but they never did.

Among MM voters scumbot/CRichard/vittae someone is a town misplaying here, and someone is mafia. Difference check

Both lol and Varcron can be nominated again at any point, and there's a good chance Varcron will be replaced if they don't post soon and the day should get another 12 hours.

I also think lol could be misread here and potentially the worst chop given it benefits mafia especially a mafia tutuu here to go for the easier mischop. You are engaged in game and if you happen to be town, it would be in your interest to discuss a set of nominations with us if possible.You were the first one to coin the idea that there is a wolf in Baker/Vittae/Tutuu/Martin along with Varcron/MM containing the other wolf and I asked if anything has changed.

Let me know where your thoughts are at.

i think im just gonna call baker town and try to get myself away from my paranoia

making an excel sheet but then "indirectly" sharing it - as in - beside the point - is unlikely as wolf. it takes a lot of effort, only to not claim credit for it properly - thats just towny asf

[QUOTE=bakermir;993084]did you forget we had an entire D2 D3 and first half of D4?


You kept going down in my reads. Scumbot kept going down in my reads. Martin kept going up in my reads. CRich kept going up in my reads.[/QUOTE]

we dont even know that he's maf but even if he's maf why couldn't i be a wrong town? admittedly - i am sorry if i was wrong so much. but like - all of us were wrong

Originally Posted by bakermir

did you forget we had an entire D2 D3 and first half of D4?


You kept going down in my reads. Scumbot kept going down in my reads. Martin kept going up in my reads. CRich kept going up in my reads.

we dont even know that he's maf but even if he's maf why couldn't i be a wrong town? admittedly - i am sorry if i was wrong so much. but like - all of us were wrong

[QUOTE=bakermir;991948]My current poe/reads looks like:

[COLOR="#FF8C00"]scumbot5679[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Marshmallow Marshall[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]ikarusdk[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]lol[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#008000"]tutuu[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#008000"]Vittae[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#008000"]MartinGG99[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]Varcron[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]CRichardForumLies[/COLOR]

I could go in to details, but I think it is too early honestly. I am probably misclearing 1 in my townreads/leans and if I am wrong on more than 1 then this is a game losing PoE.[/QUOTE]

what did the teal colors mean?

Originally Posted by bakermir

My current poe/reads looks like:

scumbot5679
Marshmallow Marshall
ikarusdk
lol
tutuu
Vittae
MartinGG99
Varcron
CRichardForumLies

I could go in to details, but I think it is too early honestly. I am probably misclearing 1 in my townreads/leans and if I am wrong on more than 1 then this is a game losing PoE.

what did the teal colors mean?

[QUOTE=bakermir;991933]Following posts seemed like Martin is unaligned with Vittae to a good extent:

[img]https://i.ibb.co/ft7GkfN/m1.png[/img]

[img]https://i.ibb.co/jrRTVZV/m2.png[/img]


Am I wrong here?[/QUOTE]

interesting coz i had the opposite opinion actually, admittedly now, this was day 1

Originally Posted by bakermir

Following posts seemed like Martin is unaligned with Vittae to a good extent:






Am I wrong here?

interesting coz i had the opposite opinion actually, admittedly now, this was day 1

[QUOTE=bakermir;991716]Vote Count:

scumbot5679 (4):
bakermir, MartinGG99, Vittae, tutuu

bakermir (1):
Varcron

lol (1):
scumbot5679

tutuu (1):
lol


I guess two of us can vote Varcron and make a two way tie.

I would much prefer voting up the hydra though. Imagine missing out the game as two people lmao

What are the legacy nominations for tied people to follow in case of a goofy hammer?[/QUOTE]

why do u keep thinking me and scumbot are teamed. did u forget that i tried to kill him?

Originally Posted by bakermir

Vote Count:

scumbot5679 (4):
bakermir, MartinGG99, Vittae, tutuu

bakermir (1):
Varcron

lol (1):
scumbot5679

tutuu (1):
lol


I guess two of us can vote Varcron and make a two way tie.

I would much prefer voting up the hydra though. Imagine missing out the game as two people lmao

What are the legacy nominations for tied people to follow in case of a goofy hammer?

why do u keep thinking me and scumbot are teamed. did u forget that i tried to kill him?

[QUOTE=bakermir;991704]It should be allowed as it is clearly stated under Special Mechanics :)[/QUOTE]

yeah this is just town, i like the smug tonal energy behind the smiley face

Originally Posted by bakermir

It should be allowed as it is clearly stated under Special Mechanics

yeah this is just town, i like the smug tonal energy behind the smiley face

[QUOTE=bakermir;991699]Basically, it is in our best interest to maintain a tie in D1 votes until every player has made a certain number of posts, making sure that we have a clear plan for D2 and D3.

I'd be okay with anyone being tied with scumbot. We just need to ensure that this mechanical advantage is communicated to everyone to prevent hammers.[/QUOTE]

we only managed to get the d1 extension coz of baker

while this ended up saving scumbot, i think the intent was super pro-town. none of us had figured out the secret mechanic to have infinite days. i think town tend to go digging for that more than wolves

Originally Posted by bakermir

Basically, it is in our best interest to maintain a tie in D1 votes until every player has made a certain number of posts, making sure that we have a clear plan for D2 and D3.

I'd be okay with anyone being tied with scumbot. We just need to ensure that this mechanical advantage is communicated to everyone to prevent hammers.

we only managed to get the d1 extension coz of baker

while this ended up saving scumbot, i think the intent was super pro-town. none of us had figured out the secret mechanic to have infinite days. i think town tend to go digging for that more than wolves

other posts on page 1 of his iso look towny

im finding myself townreading him for the same reasons i townread him d1 and had forgotten

i am just paranoid

other posts on page 1 of his iso look towny

im finding myself townreading him for the same reasons i townread him d1 and had forgotten

i am just paranoid

[QUOTE=bakermir;991669][img]https://i.ibb.co/wNrT8GW/37293.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

second openwolfing post

Originally Posted by bakermir

second openwolfing post

[QUOTE=bakermir;991512]Why are you so good ;)[/QUOTE]

potentially tried to pocket me with the winking emoji

Originally Posted by bakermir

Why are you so good ;)

potentially tried to pocket me with the winking emoji

[QUOTE=bakermir;993069]is it the avatar difference or is it me pressuring you?

you must pay for your crimes[/QUOTE]

i really hope that this is one of your gambits. if ur town i need your vote lol

Originally Posted by bakermir

is it the avatar difference or is it me pressuring you?

you must pay for your crimes

i really hope that this is one of your gambits. if ur town i need your vote lol

[QUOTE=bakermir;991506][vote]MartinGG99[/vote]

I have a good reason[/QUOTE]

What was the reason?

Originally Posted by bakermir

-vote MartinGG99

I have a good reason

What was the reason?

[QUOTE=bakermir;991505]im mafia
glgl[/QUOTE]

can i just stop reading here?

Originally Posted by bakermir

im mafia
glgl

can i just stop reading here?

[QUOTE=bakermir;993064][COLOR="#FFFF00"]Tutuu has seen me wolf on FoL and Syndicate btw!![/COLOR]


Cyberpunk and Lack-a-Daisy

Probably read my MU games too[/QUOTE]

not on fol

ive no idea what lackadaisy is and about mu

i did forget about that one syndicate game where you subbed out after making 20 posts. u had a dwight avatar. i remembered u as a completely different person than anime girl avatar baker

Originally Posted by bakermir

Tutuu has seen me wolf on FoL and Syndicate btw!!


Cyberpunk and Lack-a-Daisy

Probably read my MU games too

not on fol

ive no idea what lackadaisy is and about mu

i did forget about that one syndicate game where you subbed out after making 20 posts. u had a dwight avatar. i remembered u as a completely different person than anime girl avatar baker

im going to do my due diligence and iso baker too, im starting to get paranoid of his erroneous treatment of me

im going to do my due diligence and iso baker too, im starting to get paranoid of his erroneous treatment of me

[QUOTE=bakermir;993054]i think it makes sense tutuu was pocketing me coming into lylo instead of solving.


i am actually surprised why no one is taking note on that. does that mean people TR tutuu more than me?



summary of tutuu's game so far:

have a 1v1 with ikarus and dodge the chop D1 as a result
shade lol and afk D2
chop lol and afk D3
pocket baker and afk until called out D4[/QUOTE]

egregious mischaracterization of my play

why would anyone say i was afk considering the post counts

[img]https://i.imgur.com/nHBcByT.png[/img]

im one of the ppl putting in the most effort

and me vs ikarus was never a 1v1. it was a 1v0. he was suspecting me, i was defending myself. i didnt scumread him

Originally Posted by bakermir

i think it makes sense tutuu was pocketing me coming into lylo instead of solving.


i am actually surprised why no one is taking note on that. does that mean people TR tutuu more than me?



summary of tutuu's game so far:

have a 1v1 with ikarus and dodge the chop D1 as a result
shade lol and afk D2
chop lol and afk D3
pocket baker and afk until called out D4

egregious mischaracterization of my play

why would anyone say i was afk considering the post counts



im one of the ppl putting in the most effort

and me vs ikarus was never a 1v1. it was a 1v0. he was suspecting me, i was defending myself. i didnt scumread him

im reading scumbot's iso and all i see is 50% derpy nonsensical posts and 50% AtE posts getting emotional at people for no reason

sure they could be mafia, i townread ate by principle, i think in general its >rand town but admittedly i should have accounted for the fact that they said they're an alt and some players weaponize it as wolves

im reading scumbot's iso and all i see is 50% derpy nonsensical posts and 50% AtE posts getting emotional at people for no reason

sure they could be mafia, i townread ate by principle, i think in general its >rand town but admittedly i should have accounted for the fact that they said they're an alt and some players weaponize it as wolves

isoing scumbot next i need a short break. this is so hard. surviving as town until the end game is by far the most unenjoyable mafia experience. i hate this and i hate myself

isoing scumbot next i need a short break. this is so hard. surviving as town until the end game is by far the most unenjoyable mafia experience. i hate this and i hate myself

[QUOTE=bakermir;993023]tutuu calling me teamed with scumbot

:joy_cat:[/QUOTE]

this is the opposite of what i said 10 times

Originally Posted by bakermir

tutuu calling me teamed with scumbot

:joy_cat:

this is the opposite of what i said 10 times

[QUOTE=bakermir;993018]I appreciate the cook here, but you are kinda late?


I was cooking from the beginning.

[img]https://i.ibb.co/GfShq0B/auuuuuu.png[/img][/QUOTE]

its a cute post and i appreciate u but im town dude. even if scumbot is mafia and even if i was wrongly townreading him at one point im still town

Originally Posted by bakermir

I appreciate the cook here, but you are kinda late?


I was cooking from the beginning.

its a cute post and i appreciate u but im town dude. even if scumbot is mafia and even if i was wrongly townreading him at one point im still town

[QUOTE=Vittae;993017]Thoughts on the likelihood that we've been seriously wrong on at least one consensus townread given how poorly we've been doing so far?[/QUOTE]

it's very likely

i'm more focused on martin/richard first since thats the pressing matters at hand

Originally Posted by Vittae

Thoughts on the likelihood that we've been seriously wrong on at least one consensus townread given how poorly we've been doing so far?

it's very likely

i'm more focused on martin/richard first since thats the pressing matters at hand

[QUOTE=Vittae;993014]We don't have any control over who we chop tomorrow (assuming we hit a wolf today) since the dead wolf will be able to choose nominations.[/QUOTE]

oh right i forgot mafia also nominates

well this isnt the worst. a lot of info to be gained

Originally Posted by Vittae

We don't have any control over who we chop tomorrow (assuming we hit a wolf today) since the dead wolf will be able to choose nominations.

oh right i forgot mafia also nominates

well this isnt the worst. a lot of info to be gained

my gut feel is that the wolves have accepted a wolf is getting chopped today and they're cutting their losses and are in semi-anti-spewing

both richard and martin have expressed that they aren't enthusiastic about cross voting. yet they're still doing it. they're not actively burying their thunderdome opponent - something that should be pro-wincon for them

[B]leads me to conclude that they are afraid of spewing people town, myself included[/B]

[B]wolves objective today doesnt feel like winning the game. they're trying to set up a good spew[/B]

my gut feel is that the wolves have accepted a wolf is getting chopped today and they're cutting their losses and are in semi-anti-spewing

both richard and martin have expressed that they aren't enthusiastic about cross voting. yet they're still doing it. they're not actively burying their thunderdome opponent - something that should be pro-wincon for them

leads me to conclude that they are afraid of spewing people town, myself included

wolves objective today doesnt feel like winning the game. they're trying to set up a good spew

[QUOTE=tutuu;993012]vittae ikarus baker are all names difficult to justify being wolf, if there's a wolf there they're deep. if theres 2 wolves game is unwinnable no matter what i do so im gonna disregard the possibility

since we can afford a mischop if we chop a wolf, i propose the following:

chop richard/martin. hopefully get the wolf flip. we then earn the luxury of a mischop. chop the other one in martin/richard. then see the results:

if both are mafia - baker is the third mafia

if not - baker is town, and scumbot is mafia. chop scumbot. we earn a mischop

gamestate would be 3v1 with tutuu, baker, vittae, ikarus alive, with 1 mischop available

i think that this is our best bet. we just need to chop a wolf today[/QUOTE]

alternatively

if we dont lose today - we can chop sumbot tomorrow and pre-emptively bet on baker town. its not game losing if scumbot is a mischop

Originally Posted by tutuu

vittae ikarus baker are all names difficult to justify being wolf, if there's a wolf there they're deep. if theres 2 wolves game is unwinnable no matter what i do so im gonna disregard the possibility

since we can afford a mischop if we chop a wolf, i propose the following:

chop richard/martin. hopefully get the wolf flip. we then earn the luxury of a mischop. chop the other one in martin/richard. then see the results:

if both are mafia - baker is the third mafia

if not - baker is town, and scumbot is mafia. chop scumbot. we earn a mischop

gamestate would be 3v1 with tutuu, baker, vittae, ikarus alive, with 1 mischop available

i think that this is our best bet. we just need to chop a wolf today

alternatively

if we dont lose today - we can chop sumbot tomorrow and pre-emptively bet on baker town. its not game losing if scumbot is a mischop

vittae ikarus baker are all names difficult to justify being wolf, if there's a wolf there they're deep. if theres 2 wolves game is unwinnable no matter what i do so im gonna disregard the possibility

since we can afford a mischop if we chop a wolf, i propose the following:

chop richard/martin. hopefully get the wolf flip. we then earn the luxury of a mischop. chop the other one in martin/richard. then see the results:

if both are mafia - baker is the third mafia

if not - baker is town, and scumbot is mafia. chop scumbot. we earn a mischop

gamestate would be 3v1 with tutuu, baker, vittae, ikarus alive, with 1 mischop available

i think that this is our best bet. we just need to chop a wolf today

vittae ikarus baker are all names difficult to justify being wolf, if there's a wolf there they're deep. if theres 2 wolves game is unwinnable no matter what i do so im gonna disregard the possibility

since we can afford a mischop if we chop a wolf, i propose the following:

chop richard/martin. hopefully get the wolf flip. we then earn the luxury of a mischop. chop the other one in martin/richard. then see the results:

if both are mafia - baker is the third mafia

if not - baker is town, and scumbot is mafia. chop scumbot. we earn a mischop

gamestate would be 3v1 with tutuu, baker, vittae, ikarus alive, with 1 mischop available

i think that this is our best bet. we just need to chop a wolf today

[QUOTE=tutuu;993008]let me do quick maths

if u take 4 random ppl, is the chance for at least 1 wolf to be there more or less than 50%? if its more im disregarding this tell, as u could easily confirmation bias urself into believing its a >rand accurate tell, when its just math[/QUOTE]

i should not get distracted

Originally Posted by tutuu

let me do quick maths

if u take 4 random ppl, is the chance for at least 1 wolf to be there more or less than 50%? if its more im disregarding this tell, as u could easily confirmation bias urself into believing its a >rand accurate tell, when its just math

i should not get distracted

[QUOTE=tutuu;993007]interesting

abigail has mischopped me more times than i have brain cells so respectfullly im skeptical[/QUOTE]

let me do quick maths

if u take 4 random ppl, is the chance for at least 1 wolf to be there more or less than 50%? if its more im disregarding this tell, as u could easily confirmation bias urself into believing its a >rand accurate tell, when its just math

Originally Posted by tutuu

interesting

abigail has mischopped me more times than i have brain cells so respectfullly im skeptical

let me do quick maths

if u take 4 random ppl, is the chance for at least 1 wolf to be there more or less than 50%? if its more im disregarding this tell, as u could easily confirmation bias urself into believing its a >rand accurate tell, when its just math

[QUOTE=Vittae;993006]I can actually answer this one on behalf of CRich since he's asleep: it's Abigail's first wagon to reach 3 votes includes exactly one wolf or is on a wolf tell (which is currently trendy on MU).[/QUOTE]

interesting

abigail has mischopped me more times than i have brain cells so respectfullly im skeptical

Originally Posted by Vittae

I can actually answer this one on behalf of CRich since he's asleep: it's Abigail's first wagon to reach 3 votes includes exactly one wolf or is on a wolf tell (which is currently trendy on MU).

interesting

abigail has mischopped me more times than i have brain cells so respectfullly im skeptical

i think scumbot is at a difference check with baker

martin and richard have both been ignoring scumbot earlier and now when they're on the chopping block are pushing back against him (i realize my hypocrisy here but im town so suck it)

scumbot could be mafia; me getting fooled by ppl getting upset is nothing new. if he's mafia both martin and richard's demeanors around him make sense - at least one is wolf distancing. the other one could be also. or he could just be a correct town with the scumread

alternatively baker is snowing us all and he's throwing the thread into chaos trying to win today. if baker is wolf he's probably wolf with both martin and richard and he doesn't trust that he can win the f3 - as martin and richard probably both get chopped. in that world baker mafia scumbot town.

hence scumbot baker difference check

i think scumbot is at a difference check with baker

martin and richard have both been ignoring scumbot earlier and now when they're on the chopping block are pushing back against him (i realize my hypocrisy here but im town so suck it)

scumbot could be mafia; me getting fooled by ppl getting upset is nothing new. if he's mafia both martin and richard's demeanors around him make sense - at least one is wolf distancing. the other one could be also. or he could just be a correct town with the scumread

alternatively baker is snowing us all and he's throwing the thread into chaos trying to win today. if baker is wolf he's probably wolf with both martin and richard and he doesn't trust that he can win the f3 - as martin and richard probably both get chopped. in that world baker mafia scumbot town.

hence scumbot baker difference check

i remember martin's posts by heart better since ive played with him a lot so im used to assimilating and remembering his posts much easier

i think his general tone and demeanor is typical town martin; his emotional outbursts are towny. another good look for him imo is the fact that he seems like a lost solo agent, wandering around

if he's mafia it's because 1) i always get fooled by emotion and 2) i found it extremely weird for him to insist being part of today's nominations to lol, felt manipulative/theatrical, its objectively anti-alignment for him, it was just posturing regardless of his alignment. thing is town sometimes posture / are theatrical too when they feel like they have something to prove, ideally ppl play towards their wincon at all times but humans have feeble emotions at times and they can overtake

i remember martin's posts by heart better since ive played with him a lot so im used to assimilating and remembering his posts much easier

i think his general tone and demeanor is typical town martin; his emotional outbursts are towny. another good look for him imo is the fact that he seems like a lost solo agent, wandering around

if he's mafia it's because 1) i always get fooled by emotion and 2) i found it extremely weird for him to insist being part of today's nominations to lol, felt manipulative/theatrical, its objectively anti-alignment for him, it was just posturing regardless of his alignment. thing is town sometimes posture / are theatrical too when they feel like they have something to prove, ideally ppl play towards their wincon at all times but humans have feeble emotions at times and they can overtake

i find richard's calmness to chill on martin (ordered by vittae) and then move to me (ordered by baker) unnerving

im town and im stressed out. im not sure whos the mafia and its lylo. richard seems really calm for a lylo situation. this isnt necessarily damning as i think this is my first game with him and this could be his personality? i know that i cant stay calm though

i find richard's calmness to chill on martin (ordered by vittae) and then move to me (ordered by baker) unnerving

im town and im stressed out. im not sure whos the mafia and its lylo. richard seems really calm for a lylo situation. this isnt necessarily damning as i think this is my first game with him and this could be his personality? i know that i cant stay calm though