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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    Varcron genuinely says he didn't get grief fedback.

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Varcron you ever got that grief comfirmation for your role?
    No.
    Then Banana instructs him to roll with the fake claim:

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    You're jester king, embrace and roll with it
    And just like that, Varcron suddenly starts claiming getting the grief feedback:

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I'm only dead of laughter, not of death, sorry. I'm already voting you and telling your converted Jester to lynch you, though, so be grateful, you're getting your win :P

    Also, I think Banana is right. We're all just pretending to know how to read people. My Ganelon townread was wrong, my Superjack scumread is also probably wrong, given Light's action and Ganelon's death... well, maybe he is lunatic and thinks he's scum, or maybe he's mass murderer somehow, but still.
    I will be away in a bit.

    Vote Banana

    If you aren't going to lynch Banana, then just kill me tonight so the scum can win and get this over with. I won't bother playing after today, not with this spam.

    gg. See you when the game is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    @Sen

    Problem is if the Jester King is actually Cult.
    The other option is Second Passing is really Vigi or SK.

    What else do you think the last scum role would be?
    No, that's correct, but Varcron is obviously not the Cult Leader. If we are lynching one of the "jesters", we're lynching Banana.

    I pegged him as scum since early D1. I will not doubt my reads.
    -vote BananaCucho
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    Ok, just woke up. Added Banana and SP to the ignore list while the game ends. No need to read what they say at all.

    ...no. That is a bad idea. We need to kill the Jester King, not his jesters. Also, religious trigger much, reprobate?
    We don't need to kill any Jester at all. We have majority without them. Furthermore, lynching a jester would result in the Jester King getting a conversion, and that would actually be dangerous.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    It's past 6 a.m.

    I'm missing a couple of things, but I need some rest.

    -unvote


    I will make sure to post tomorrow, even if just a couple of times.

    Wait for YZB's feedback, and don't lynch anyone just yet, least of all Varcron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    What am I then? I can't be witch because my targets visited who they intended. I can't be MM because nobody died?
    You say that you lied about your targets and that you aren't sharing your feedback, so there's no way anyone can tell you what you are.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    Quick correction:

    Sleuth, ritual killer, jester king, drug dealer, and the missing scum. That's actually 5, so the game started with 8 town.

    Yeah, there's no way there's a cult here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    If people have claimed thinks which my role or other roles can't be. I'm going to assume I am cult. No town roles can cause the feedback I created unless someone lied.
    Cult doesn't make sense in this setup.

    Confirmed ritual killer = -1 town per night
    Confirmed jester King = -1 town per night
    Cultist = -1 town per night

    13 starting players. 9 starting town.

    You being a cult leader would mean that the town could lose majority by N1, even without a mislynch, and that's retarded. You aren't a cultist.
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    Oh, and I forgot to add renegade to the list of confirmed towns.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Sen View Post
    MM - Sleuth - Confirmed by Light
    *fixed
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    The last scum knows they are scum by now.

    We have a confirmed Jester King (which can man -1 town per night), a confirmed Sleuth (sided with us, but could've sided with the scum), and a confirmed Ritual Killer (another -1 town per night).

    I don't think Galon was killed by evil, as that would mean a third -1 town per night role, and that'd be the dumbest setup, and as crazy as deathworlds' setups are, they are rather fair from what I remember.

    Confirmed town/pro-town:
    MM - Sleuth - Confirmed by
    Light - BD - Confirmed by Sen as BD and as town by MM
    Sen - Confirmed town by Asylum Director
    Gyrlander - Confirmed town by death

    Confirmed scum/anti-town:
    Frinckles - Confirmed scum by death.
    Ganelon - Confirmed scum by death
    Banana - Confirmed Jester by MM
    Varcron - Confirmed Jester by MM

    Unknown:
    yzb25 - Claims Citizen and visiting renegade n1 - I checked him last night and got a citizen result, but that can mean anything. Might be a lunatic vigilante.
    secondpassing - Claims vig and visiting renegade on n1, and varcron on n2. Can't be vig.
    Ceko - Claims crazy sheriff, checking Galeon n1 (insane result), and secondpassing n2 (insane result).
    SJ - Claims investigator and lying.

    Since SJ is siding with an anti-town faction, we can't really attribute it to not understanding their role; if you don't understand your role you don't simply assume that you're scum.

    -vote SuperJack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    @deathworlds Sorry if this was already asked in the huge amount of pages we have, but does the feedback of "Rage in Grief" for sinisters get attributed at the end of the night if a Sinister gets nightkilled?

    I recieved none.
    I'm almost sure that he said that that feedback is sent at the start of the night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I probably am the last scum. I don't know.
    I'm just confused to which role I am. If I was scum wouldn't I of been informed by now by all these scum deaths?
    What feedback did you get?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    BananaCucho - Jester (claims to have been Citizen, but that's impossible to confirm although I don't really see why he'd lie about it, it doesn't really matter anyway)
    SuperJack claimed checking Banana last night, and that he came up as a doctor.

    Banana is now confirmed either JK or Jester. if he got a citizen rolecard, that means that SJ is lying and the last scum.
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    I was very clear on d1 that only the benigns who sided with the town would get their win.

    Banana didn't help the town, so no win for him. MM gets his win.

    Let's get the final scum and end this.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    XZB visited me, then?

    Which means noone visited SP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    If MM checked me and SuperJack (Ganelon) I already know the result.
    Why would MM check Ganelon? lmao

    He has Light as a confirmed town. He checked the two of you, and you know that he'll call you out as the scum you are. Scared much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Is everyone scum in your eyes?
    Seeing how MM can confirm SP as scum or town, anyone trying to get a lynch before we get MM and YBZ's feedback is scum in my eyes, yes.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    -vote secondpassing


    Just in case I'm not able to make it before EoD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    fluff
    I just got you, didn't I?

    This is the scummiest reaction to realizing that MM checked you last night. Any town would be glad to be confirmed as such.

    gg.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    BREAKING NEWS

    I don't know if I'll have time tomorrow, but this is solved, so here's the necessary information:

    SuperJack's claim relies on noone but Banana.

    SP claims being visited. The only ones who could've done this are MM or YZB -as everyone else with supposed visitation feedback rolecards are accounted for-, but then again, if SP's claim about visiting Varcron is true, that means that YZB visited Ganelon, so MM must have visited SP. In this case MM should be able to confirm SP as town or scum.

    If neither MM nor YBZ visited me, that means Varcron did and Banana is lying about their N1 feedback.

    I visited YZB, by the way. He will confirm.

    This is enough to win. SP or Banana will die today and that's gg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    How would I know that?
    Banana's excuse for voting Varcron is that I have visitation feedback, apparently from him but also claims that he's lying, so if he's lying I must have been visited by someone else, yet there's noone claiming doing it.

    Almost everyone is accounted for. The only ones left who could have left visitation feedback would be yzb and MM. Either YZB or you are lying, since one of you killed renegade, and the same one killed Ganelon. If you truly visited Varcron, that means YZB killed Ganelon and is the true vig.

    You claim being visited, so that means MM checked you and will confirm you as town or scum today.

    There is no room for anyone visiting me but Varcron -unless you are lying about being visited-. Banana is lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Varcron made a poor alibi, and we're lynching him for it
    Who visited me, then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Yeah, but I pointed it out?
    I don't understand why you're defending Varcron right now.

    Granted you're in some sort of confirmation bias on Banana, but Varcron has to be scum.
    I'm not defending Varcron. I'm seeing a clear scum pattern there and exposing it.

    Notice how Banana didn't show any interest in pushing anyone until after SJ's fuckup, and now he is clinging to the vaguest thread in order to finally start "scumhunting".
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    ???

    I started this.
    From a misread, as you thought the BG didn't left feedback. Banana just jumped right on it.
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    Fuck the NSA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Are you high?
    Very.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    He LIED about visiting me. As to WHY he lied, whether it be because he is cult or otherwise, I dont know. But it was a lie
    Or he's a lunatic and doesn't leave feedback and my feedback is from someone else, yet you used that weak argument to try and jump into an easy (mis?)lynch that was gaining traction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    I think he is either jester or cult based off of his game and his most recent claim to get me mis-lynched.
    Yes. Let's lynch Banana. Third time's the charm.

    -vote BananaCucho
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    I didnt have feedback night ONE. I got feedback night TWO

    Night 1 - Vaccuum claims to have visited me, I didnt get feedback

    Night 2 - I got feedback

    There seems to have been a misunderstanding here.
    No, I understood it clearly.

    You are the single confirmation of SuperJack's claim.


    Then you say that Varcron must be Cult, but if anything, the feedback would have to be reversed; he would've left feedback on N1 as a bodyguard, and then failed to leave anything on N2 as a converted Cultist, so your "this is solved by mechanics" argument makes no sense whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    I was maybe 1/4 paying attention earlier. Who did Vaccuum say he visited again? Sen right? And Sen got feedback?
    Yes, I have visitation feedback. Whether it's from Varcron or not is yet to be seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Ok so if Im cult and Vaccuum is my cult leader then you benefit from lynching him so how is it a "mislynch"? Wtf am I reading lol
    You are flailing. gg
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    Earlier today Banana claimed having visitation feedback from SuperJack. Yesterday, SuperJack claimed visiting me and making it sound like there was no way to prove it because I had -conveniently- already claimed being visited by somebody else. So Banana is the single confirmation of SuperJack's claim.

    SuperJack began d2 complaining to deathworlds about the feedback he got. Then -at the end of the day- he claimed being an investigator. There's no investigator feedback that can result in feedback that would make you upset. SuperJack was converted on N1 and is pissed (reasonably, since scum is fucked) because of that. he ended d2 with an early hammer before we could plan night actions that could help confirm many others.

    Banana and SuperJack started trying to get rid of me -a threat to scum-, under the guise of trolling or whatever. Furthermore, their votes weren't removed after I showed that I was confirmed as town by the Asylum Director. No amount of trolling can justify trying to lynch a confirmed town unless you are scum.

    Now that SuperJack started getting some attention, Banana suddenly remembered that he didn't get feedback, trying to jump on a train on Varcron. There isn't a single role in the setup that can NOT leave feedback one night, and start leaving feedback the night after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    We can wait for MM if you guys want. Thats fine. I dont expect him to say anything that will change my mind though. Maybe confirm Vaccuum is guilty, but its pretty clear cut fmpov
    Cult would not leave feedback. You are just trying to derail from SuperJack's fuckup from earlier, now that your win will be denied, as your only chance at getting lynched is to push for a mislynch and try o get us to lynch you tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    I would feel really bad if Sen is cult and is faking the feedback. I think he tried hard.
    I dare anyone to counterclaim me being the one getting confirmed by the Asylum Director. Noone will because that'd get them lynched today and end the game.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    If MM is indeed a Sleuth, he should be able to confirm yet another town, or a scum -as he already found Light to be town- and would've used him to compare against somebody else.

    We can just wait for MM's feedback. If he found a townie, that means there's be a million confirmed towns and a confirmed benign and scum should just give up. If he found scum, we just lynch them and everybody wins.

    Let's wait for the Sleuth.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    Wait a second. I think this is solved...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Naw He Is Confirmed Sleuth Not Defending The Slot.. But As Neutral Role Can He Win With Town?
    Yes. Executioners, Sleuths and Jesters can win with the town, that's why I've been saying that benigns should side with the town if they expect to win, as we can grant or deny them their win conditions at will, while having them siding with us helps us, so it's a win-win scenario for this partnership to exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Honestly It Came Late The Data..
    The Sleuth can PM the host during the day to inform the players of his findings. MM is pretty much confirmed unless you're on a cult team with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Also MM Claimed An Investigative Role As Well If I Recall Correctly..
    I mean, MM asked you to confirm him and you unvoted him right after, so it was already assumed that you had Sleuth feedback.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Also MM Claimed An Investigative Role As Well If I Recall Correctly..
    MM claimed Sleuth.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Doctor Would Correct?
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Our "BG" is not supposed to have left feedback.
    What do you mean?

    Not saying that he's confirmed as such, but the Bodyguard is one of the roles that leave visitation feedback.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    KILL SEN
    Kill the only confirmed town.

    If Jack flips Jester, we can just ignore Banana forever and deny them their win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Did anyone else visit Sen, I think I found a slip?
    Light and Jack claimed visiting me on N1.

    Varcrom claims visiting me on N2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Are You Sure You Arent Jester King?
    I would've claimed and won yesterday.

    I've seen people arguing that the JK would go on playing for longer just for fun, but I'm the shittiest jester ever. I can look for the games later if you want, but I've had 2 games as jester on this site and on both I ended up giving town their win. I'm sure in one of them I talked myself out of a lynch and gave them deathworlds as the arsonist -which he happened to be- lol. I'd take any win as a jester, no matter how cheap and boring.

    Plus again, I was confirmed as town by the Asylum Director, so at this point there's no doubting my alignment unless you think I was converted on n2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I would win since my death proves their role.
    Yeah, and after allowing the town to waste an entire day lynching a Jester, noone would ever help the Jester King getting their win.

    If there's a Jester King, today is your last chance to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Shit. Really?
    Yep, unless the king dies at night:

    Quote Originally Posted by setup
    Jester: Have the Jester King be lynched. If the Jester King dies at night, your win condition changes to get lynched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Perhpas I was converted to Jester. Hence you should lynch me.
    That would make you lose, as your win con would be to lynch the jester king, not getting yourself lynched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    so that I can no longer be called secondguessing anymore.
    I had forgotten all about that. hah
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    To be honest I want to know what my role is. But I'm not Investigatoras my rolecard says it is.
    Why not? Until that poor attempt at targetting me -after being my loyal until now-, I had more reason to believe you to be a real investigator while I'm a lunatic -yet confirmed- insane.

    If you are legit the JK, just tell your converts to come out and all of you can get your win today. We get MM tomorrow -since he claimed benign and I'm sure there's only one in the setup- and that's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    Easy claim for an executioner who learned he was Serial Killer to make. We can't tell if night kills are done by Vig/SK/MM/RK.

    Are you claiming you shot Ganelon as well, and that Frinckles was the only Neutral Killing role? Obviously, there could be another Ritual Killer. That would make for a pretty boring setup though, since there wouldn't be any scum kills until a few nights passed.

    The best way to clear this WIFOM up is by lynching SecondPassing at EOD (not immediately, we still have plenty of time to discussion). If SP really is vigilante, then lynch me tomorrow to confirm:

    a) I'm really Crazy Sheriff
    b) I was witched.

    Or some combination of those things.
    c) you're a lunatic.
    d) you're an executioner.
    e) you're a jester and sp is jester king.
    f) secret stuff.
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