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[QUOTE=SilverWolf;680623]And Fury should not have been able to get away with visiting anyone other than himself in a setup like this. I will never understand why you didn't lynch him off that.[/QUOTE]

i was modkilled at this point. i was about to push for this.

Originally Posted by SilverWolf

And Fury should not have been able to get away with visiting anyone other than himself in a setup like this. I will never understand why you didn't lynch him off that.

i was modkilled at this point. i was about to push for this.

makes me think agent was trying to find the joker here.

makes me think agent was trying to find the joker here.

fury visited gyrlander. why he did that?... idk

fury visited gyrlander. why he did that?... idk

judging by the way unknown's been acting about how he thinks i visited him, i'm less inclined to believe he's scum. i didn't follow him.

judging by the way unknown's been acting about how he thinks i visited him, i'm less inclined to believe he's scum. i didn't follow him.

so can someone explain to me why mechanically some people can't be joker?

so can someone explain to me why mechanically some people can't be joker?

if i were host of this game, i'd say he/she could do it, and it makes more sense for game play. the rules don't specifically state this though.

if i were host of this game, i'd say he/she could do it, and it makes more sense for game play. the rules don't specifically state this though.

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;679216]If someone did not self visit and you checked them, you have confirmed them as non-joker at this point.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#00FF00"]can jokers visit someone without putting a bounty on their head...[/COLOR]

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

If someone did not self visit and you checked them, you have confirmed them as non-joker at this point.

can jokers visit someone without putting a bounty on their head...

[QUOTE=Voss;679210]i'm awaiting on a host question to figure out why i saw what i saw.[/QUOTE]

though i suspect the answer won't be damning enough one way or the other.

[MENTION=4586]The[/MENTION]burningpheonix did you target someone with 2+ vowels in their name? i'm hoping we didn't stalk the same person.

Originally Posted by Voss

i'm awaiting on a host question to figure out why i saw what i saw.

though i suspect the answer won't be damning enough one way or the other.

@The burningpheonix did you target someone with 2+ vowels in their name? i'm hoping we didn't stalk the same person.

i'm awaiting on a host question to figure out why i saw what i saw.

i'm awaiting on a host question to figure out why i saw what i saw.

i love the thrill of last minute lynches.

i love the thrill of last minute lynches.

[vote]twentytwo[/vote]

-vote twentytwo

[QUOTE=Mesk514;678934]If you didn't have any doubt about that you wouldn't have just unvoted[/QUOTE]

i dont quite like to run the game like that. if someone says wait, and i'm around, i'll wait.

Originally Posted by Mesk514

If you didn't have any doubt about that you wouldn't have just unvoted

i dont quite like to run the game like that. if someone says wait, and i'm around, i'll wait.

[QUOTE=Mesk514;678931]Yeah I'm not voting 22. He got my action correct and I was honestly in my somewhat town pile[/QUOTE]

that's because he's agent.

Originally Posted by Mesk514

Yeah I'm not voting 22. He got my action correct and I was honestly in my somewhat town pile

that's because he's agent.

[unvote][/unvote]

22 claimed first, pheonix claimed 2nd, i claimed 3rd.

[MENTION=28193]Mesk514[/MENTION]

-unvote

22 claimed first, pheonix claimed 2nd, i claimed 3rd.

@Mesk514

[vote]twentytwo[/vote]

-vote twentytwo

There's enough people here to lynch 22, he should be the lynch asap

There's enough people here to lynch 22, he should be the lynch asap

Also as per the quote from you pulled, I was previously unsettled by the 22 claimed. I'm very happy with this lynch. I'll be checking the thread every 20 minutes or less if someone has qs for me.

Also as per the quote from you pulled, I was previously unsettled by the 22 claimed. I'm very happy with this lynch. I'll be checking the thread every 20 minutes or less if someone has qs for me.

Yeah sorry, again my feedback had nothing to bring to the table, and I figured I was more useful surviving 2 nights.

Yeah sorry, again my feedback had nothing to bring to the table, and I figured I was more useful surviving 2 nights.

I don't recall saying who 22 visited last night.

I don't recall saying who 22 visited last night.

I submitted my action before reading but finished reading at the start of day2.

I submitted my action before reading but finished reading at the start of day2.

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;678895]Who says that?[/QUOTE]

I figured 22 to be real detect, and didn't want to make myself a joker target, especially that I had no good info for the town

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

Who says that?

I figured 22 to be real detect, and didn't want to make myself a joker target, especially that I had no good info for the town

Mesk self visited btw

Mesk self visited btw

Just woke up and wasn't going to claim because I had shit feedback. But 1v1v1 situation or getting rid of 22 makes situation work.

I checked mesk last night and realized that it was a dumb thing to do too late as host had already processed night actions.

N1 rachael self visited... tear.

Just woke up and wasn't going to claim because I had shit feedback. But 1v1v1 situation or getting rid of 22 makes situation work.

I checked mesk last night and realized that it was a dumb thing to do too late as host had already processed night actions.

N1 rachael self visited... tear.

I'm other detective.

[Vote]twentywo[/vote]

I'm other detective.

-vote twentywo

[QUOTE=Voss;678847]i dont know why no one thinks unknown is worth the vote, so i'll try harder tomorrow.

so the remaining choices are a claimed detective, the host, [COLOR="#FFFFFF"][COLOR="#FFF0F5"][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]a NON mafia read[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR], and dougler, who unknown is voting.

please hard claim if you're actually detective.[/QUOTE]

fixed

Originally Posted by Voss

i dont know why no one thinks unknown is worth the vote, so i'll try harder tomorrow.

so the remaining choices are a claimed detective, the host, a NON mafia read, and dougler, who unknown is voting.

please hard claim if you're actually detective.

fixed

i dont know why no one thinks unknown is worth the vote, so i'll try harder tomorrow.

so the remaining choices are a claimed detective, the host, a mafia read, and dougler, who unknown is voting.

[vote]thedougler[/vote]

please hard claim if you're actually detective.

i dont know why no one thinks unknown is worth the vote, so i'll try harder tomorrow.

so the remaining choices are a claimed detective, the host, a mafia read, and dougler, who unknown is voting.

-vote thedougler

please hard claim if you're actually detective.

well i'm not detect.

well i'm not detect.

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;678722]But if the scum are Replacements?? Then they get free passes?[/QUOTE]

i didn't say that, i just said i'd feel bad.

[QUOTE=thedougler;678756]I am not PR hunting just for the sake of it. PoE requires more or less accurate reads on everyone, even the power roles. I'm using 22 as my archetype for how I expect the power roles to act in this game, which is porbably misguided but it's all I have to go on. If I give compelling reasons as to why I thought X was maf, and why I though Y was a town power role, then it also kinda serves to insulate me from suspicion as cit if the Joker hits someone completely different. It isn't a guarantee I won't be lynched, but I'll take it over nothing.

As to why I town-read Voss, he seems to be probing and making his own reads without taking too much info as granted.

Like me, he is fine with getting the Joker today if the mafia doesn't become apparent to us. He isn't dogmatically saying "hunt the mafia or nothing", he wants to do whatever he can to advance town interests today.

This is where I see him slipping cit. He has totally no outside knowledge to work with.

Like me he seems accutely aware that he has no way to prove himself as cit, and is thus trying to put himself in the shoes of the other town as much as possible. The apology seems kinda lame but I think the frustration and anxiety he is expressing here is genuine.[/QUOTE]

A+ read. Thanks doug. This is an accurate depiction of me.

also also, you shouldn't try to 'hunt prs' and especially given the divide in experience, people aren't going to play the same way as prs.

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[MENTION=24092]unknown[/MENTION]
it was this post
[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/39661-S-FM-225-WIFOM-Mafia-Q?p=677985&viewfull=1#post677985[/url]

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

But if the scum are Replacements?? Then they get free passes?

i didn't say that, i just said i'd feel bad.

Originally Posted by thedougler

I am not PR hunting just for the sake of it. PoE requires more or less accurate reads on everyone, even the power roles. I'm using 22 as my archetype for how I expect the power roles to act in this game, which is porbably misguided but it's all I have to go on. If I give compelling reasons as to why I thought X was maf, and why I though Y was a town power role, then it also kinda serves to insulate me from suspicion as cit if the Joker hits someone completely different. It isn't a guarantee I won't be lynched, but I'll take it over nothing.

As to why I town-read Voss, he seems to be probing and making his own reads without taking too much info as granted.

Like me, he is fine with getting the Joker today if the mafia doesn't become apparent to us. He isn't dogmatically saying "hunt the mafia or nothing", he wants to do whatever he can to advance town interests today.

This is where I see him slipping cit. He has totally no outside knowledge to work with.

Like me he seems accutely aware that he has no way to prove himself as cit, and is thus trying to put himself in the shoes of the other town as much as possible. The apology seems kinda lame but I think the frustration and anxiety he is expressing here is genuine.

A+ read. Thanks doug. This is an accurate depiction of me.

also also, you shouldn't try to 'hunt prs' and especially given the divide in experience, people aren't going to play the same way as prs.

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@unknown
it was this post
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post677985

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;678705]Honestly, we need to narrow down suspects and I'm not comfortable lynching Fury.

Thedougler.
Voss.
Gyrlander.

I don't feel like lynching out of those right now.[/QUOTE]

apart from gyr, i can see why you'd say there's scum in the replacement, and i'm sorry i dont have any interaction on d1 to prove i'm not.

i'd MAYBE support the lynch on doug, but i'd feel bad because he's a replacement, and that'd be shitty.

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

Honestly, we need to narrow down suspects and I'm not comfortable lynching Fury.

Thedougler.
Voss.
Gyrlander.

I don't feel like lynching out of those right now.

apart from gyr, i can see why you'd say there's scum in the replacement, and i'm sorry i dont have any interaction on d1 to prove i'm not.

i'd MAYBE support the lynch on doug, but i'd feel bad because he's a replacement, and that'd be shitty.

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;678698]Voss, can you find me that post that makes you think Gyrlander isn't scum? He doesn't have many posts so it won't be hard for you.[/QUOTE]

is there a way i can read the posts of gyr from only this thread?

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

Voss, can you find me that post that makes you think Gyrlander isn't scum? He doesn't have many posts so it won't be hard for you.

is there a way i can read the posts of gyr from only this thread?

[QUOTE=thedougler;678693]I also suspected TBP, but IIRC he came out early and fiercely against Alijach on d1, who turned out to be mafia. He either bussed his ally or is town/joker. I need to go back now and find the relevant post because I don't want to be speaking out of my ass on this.[/QUOTE]

i can back this up as my read on ali/tbp

Originally Posted by thedougler

I also suspected TBP, but IIRC he came out early and fiercely against Alijach on d1, who turned out to be mafia. He either bussed his ally or is town/joker. I need to go back now and find the relevant post because I don't want to be speaking out of my ass on this.

i can back this up as my read on ali/tbp

[MENTION=8936]thedougler[/MENTION]

i've discounted fury, gyr, and pheonix from being mafia in my eyes

@thedougler

i've discounted fury, gyr, and pheonix from being mafia in my eyes

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;678656]Voss, you can't really say you will be disappointed given your case on me and the fact that you aren't even pushing me.[/QUOTE]

my reads will probably only change with flips at this point.

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

Voss, you can't really say you will be disappointed given your case on me and the fact that you aren't even pushing me.

my reads will probably only change with flips at this point.

why is my vote literally not sticking

[vote]unknown1234[/vote]

why is my vote literally not sticking

-vote unknown1234

i think i stated this before, or if not, i'm going to explicitly state this now,

fury is not a mafia read for me, and i want to try to lynch the last mafia. if we get joker, i'll take it, but i'm not going to support the fury train.

also ccing detective doesn't do much good, as there's 2, right? am i stating the obvious or missing something?

i think i stated this before, or if not, i'm going to explicitly state this now,

fury is not a mafia read for me, and i want to try to lynch the last mafia. if we get joker, i'll take it, but i'm not going to support the fury train.

also ccing detective doesn't do much good, as there's 2, right? am i stating the obvious or missing something?

i will be very disappointed if fury is the lynch today

i will be very disappointed if fury is the lynch today

well my name is irish, but i dont have a drop of irish blood in me, so chew on that.

also i'm disappointed i took no car bombs of the irish variety today/yesterday.

well my name is irish, but i dont have a drop of irish blood in me, so chew on that.

also i'm disappointed i took no car bombs of the irish variety today/yesterday.

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;678524]Somebody give me a good reason why Fury is scum that can't be refuted. Otherwise move your votes elsewhere.

Voss why am I scummy? If you seriously think I was discrediting Fury and lying I'm going to have problems with you.[/QUOTE]

uh that and PoE. i mean you were discrediting him before, idk how i'd read that interaction between the two of you.

the only thing stopping me from voting 22 is his detective claim. i GUESS he'd be my number 2.

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the thing here is that I'm trying to avoid my 'not mafia' reads, which are gyr, mesk, tpb, and fury. and superjack's jester reveal yesterday doesn't deserve my vote today. you're the best lynch in my eyes.

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

Somebody give me a good reason why Fury is scum that can't be refuted. Otherwise move your votes elsewhere.

Voss why am I scummy? If you seriously think I was discrediting Fury and lying I'm going to have problems with you.

uh that and PoE. i mean you were discrediting him before, idk how i'd read that interaction between the two of you.

the only thing stopping me from voting 22 is his detective claim. i GUESS he'd be my number 2.

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the thing here is that I'm trying to avoid my 'not mafia' reads, which are gyr, mesk, tpb, and fury. and superjack's jester reveal yesterday doesn't deserve my vote today. you're the best lynch in my eyes.

[QUOTE=Gyrlander;678516]Can't tell if you actually tried to vote him or you are screwing us.[/QUOTE]

option c:
i'm an idiot
[vote]unknown 1234[/vote]

if you ever wanna comm hunt me in big mafia games, chances are I'm that guy.

Originally Posted by Gyrlander

Can't tell if you actually tried to vote him or you are screwing us.

option c:
i'm an idiot

-vote unknown 1234

if you ever wanna comm hunt me in big mafia games, chances are I'm that guy.

oh gotta correct my vote, because i think fury is a subpar lynch to unknown [vote]unknown1234[/unknown]

oh gotta correct my vote, because i think fury is a subpar lynch to unknown [vote]unknown1234[/unknown]

[QUOTE=Mesk514;678505]you mean SWORDS :tf: :tf:[/QUOTE]

NOW its a party

Originally Posted by Mesk514

you mean SWORDS

NOW its a party

[QUOTE=thedougler;678500]When John Lennon got shot, I thanked God.[/QUOTE]

you're a divisive fellow, aren't you.

Originally Posted by thedougler

When John Lennon got shot, I thanked God.

you're a divisive fellow, aren't you.

[QUOTE=Mesk514;678422]okay im gonna say something legit for a moment cause after doing some rereading, i just realized.... ika said alijach was the joker because he looked out on himself and alijach was the only one ika said visited him? so wtf LOL[/QUOTE]

yeah, ika had to have lied. why else protect the 'real' joker? He was doing some reaction test thing there.

Originally Posted by Mesk514

okay im gonna say something legit for a moment cause after doing some rereading, i just realized.... ika said alijach was the joker because he looked out on himself and alijach was the only one ika said visited him? so wtf LOL

yeah, ika had to have lied. why else protect the 'real' joker? He was doing some reaction test thing there.

[vote]unknown[/vote]

-vote unknown

[QUOTE=Mesk514;678401]btw, i would totally let you touch me with your 10m stick[/QUOTE]

i'm more of a sword fighting guy myself

Originally Posted by Mesk514

btw, i would totally let you touch me with your 10m stick

i'm more of a sword fighting guy myself

[QUOTE=Mesk514;678394]:O i was just gonna ask you to join our block, i guess not :([/QUOTE]

You're asking me to choose between going against my read and fulflling my dream of being part of a block because i'm usually read as too scummy to be touched with a 10m stick.

its a hard choice but

[unvote][/unvote]

Originally Posted by Mesk514

i was just gonna ask you to join our block, i guess not

You're asking me to choose between going against my read and fulflling my dream of being part of a block because i'm usually read as too scummy to be touched with a 10m stick.

its a hard choice but

-unvote

[vote]unknown1234[/vote]

-vote unknown1234

[vote]unknown1234[vote]

[vote]unknown1234[vote]

[QUOTE=Mesk514;678372]Well if you actually read, I was no where around eod. Last thing I read was stealth saying no putting ccantman at l1[/QUOTE]

yeeeeeee

Originally Posted by Mesk514

Well if you actually read, I was no where around eod. Last thing I read was stealth saying no putting ccantman at l1

yeeeeeee

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;678353]The Alijach/Gyrlander part makes no sense, and your reads seem a little fuzzy. Do you pair me with Alijach and Stealth then?[/QUOTE]

I believe Gyr genuinely said he'd be okay with Ali jester kill, and not a distancing from partner throw away.

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

The Alijach/Gyrlander part makes no sense, and your reads seem a little fuzzy. Do you pair me with Alijach and Stealth then?

I believe Gyr genuinely said he'd be okay with Ali jester kill, and not a distancing from partner throw away.