January 7th, 2021, 09:54 AM
Broccoli normally isn't porn. Broccoli can become porn in wrong hands. Everyone who faps to Broccoli is disgusting and possibly a pedophile. Understand that
Broccoli normally isn't porn. Broccoli can become porn in wrong hands. Everyone who faps to Broccoli is disgusting and possibly a pedophile. Understand that
January 6th, 2021, 03:46 PM
Flailing = Flip-flopping I think. Changing opinions quickly, acting irrationally, giving in quickly under pressure
Dunno about waffling, but it does sound like hedging
Flailing = Flip-flopping I think. Changing opinions quickly, acting irrationally, giving in quickly under pressure
Dunno about waffling, but it does sound like hedging
January 6th, 2021, 03:41 PM
Hedging refers to building a hedge around oneself, by using expressions of uncertainty, allowing one to back away of a statement when necessary.
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_(linguistics)[/url]
[url]https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/ulterior-motives/201210/what-do-linguistic-hedges-do[/url]
It's more about the choice of words in regards to one single opinion, while fence-sitting is about being on the fence between multiple stances.
Hedging refers to building a hedge around oneself, by using expressions of uncertainty, allowing one to back away of a statement when necessary.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_(linguistics)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...stic-hedges-do
It's more about the choice of words in regards to one single opinion, while fence-sitting is about being on the fence between multiple stances.
December 28th, 2020, 09:44 PM
I look for someone very submissive i liek her to be on the bottom. Ive always fantasizied about being a dominating guy. I want her to like being pounded and take a huge load on her face, that needs to turn her on.
Also passionate
I look for someone very submissive i liek her to be on the bottom. Ive always fantasizied about being a dominating guy. I want her to like being pounded and take a huge load on her face, that needs to turn her on.
Also passionate
December 26th, 2020, 04:26 AM
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecchi[/url]
Ecchi (エッチ, etchi, pronounced [et.tɕi]) is an often used slang term in the Japanese language for playfully sexual actions. As an adjective, it is used with the meaning of "sexy", "dirty" or "naughty"; as a verb, ecchi suru (エッチする or Hする) means to have sex or, as a noun, to describe someone of lascivious behavior.
In regards to OP mentioning panty shots can be more or less ecchi
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecchi
Ecchi (エッチ, etchi, pronounced [et.tɕi]) is an often used slang term in the Japanese language for playfully sexual actions. As an adjective, it is used with the meaning of "sexy", "dirty" or "naughty"; as a verb, ecchi suru (エッチする or Hする) means to have sex or, as a noun, to describe someone of lascivious behavior.
In regards to OP mentioning panty shots can be more or less ecchi
December 9th, 2020, 05:39 PM
December 7th, 2020, 02:27 AM
Once, twice, no, yes
Once, twice, no, yes
November 29th, 2020, 04:36 PM
[QUOTE=Auwt;906780]Good point.
Even though I haven't played any anonymous game, I don't see how my opinion is invalid.
The statements previously said, still stand as how I am seeing this thread.
I don't want to escalate that much this subject related to the MM/Mesk interaction.
Keep in mind, I'm not positioning myself into this.
MM being on an anonymous account would have done the same thing imo.
It's not because you are on an alt that you suddenly forget everything about everyone.
I mean, imagine someone running a red light.
Whether you have a undercover or non-undercover police man behind you, the outcome would be the same.
And grudges, "beef" or whatever you would say would therefore not be part of the judgement.[/QUOTE]You are only looking at one specific outcome there. There are many other situations where the other party is the one putting you at risk for no visible reason. In such situations them being in a police car prevents you from pressing the horn and telling them your unbiased genuine opinion. It creates a barrier between the 2 parties that wouldn't be there if both had the same standing.
Originally Posted by
Auwt
Good point.
Even though I haven't played any anonymous game, I don't see how my opinion is invalid.
The statements previously said, still stand as how I am seeing this thread.
I don't want to escalate that much this subject related to the MM/Mesk interaction.
Keep in mind, I'm not positioning myself into this.
MM being on an anonymous account would have done the same thing imo.
It's not because you are on an alt that you suddenly forget everything about everyone.
I mean, imagine someone running a red light.
Whether you have a undercover or non-undercover police man behind you, the outcome would be the same.
And grudges, "beef" or whatever you would say would therefore not be part of the judgement.
You are only looking at one specific outcome there. There are many other situations where the other party is the one putting you at risk for no visible reason. In such situations them being in a police car prevents you from pressing the horn and telling them your unbiased genuine opinion. It creates a barrier between the 2 parties that wouldn't be there if both had the same standing.
November 29th, 2020, 04:20 PM
On a serious note tho, Auwt's example is on point. An admin having a red or a white name is exactly the difference between the police driving in a police or a regular car. And the communication issue exists there too. You don't want to start shouting at someone for driving like a retard when they're in a police car. It's exactly this.
On a serious note tho, Auwt's example is on point. An admin having a red or a white name is exactly the difference between the police driving in a police or a regular car. And the communication issue exists there too. You don't want to start shouting at someone for driving like a retard when they're in a police car. It's exactly this.
November 29th, 2020, 03:37 PM
[QUOTE=Auwt;906773]It's like having a police car behind you when you are driving.
As long as you don't break the rules, you can consider them as your equivalent. The difference, however, shows up at the moment you do break the rules.
So now, try to replace regulars cars (admin) by unmarked car (anonymous admin).
You will realize, it won't change anything.[/QUOTE]
That's because you're french. Americans evidently start to panic when they see the police behind them.
Originally Posted by
Auwt
It's like having a police car behind you when you are driving.
As long as you don't break the rules, you can consider them as your equivalent. The difference, however, shows up at the moment you do break the rules.
So now, try to replace regulars cars (admin) by unmarked car (anonymous admin).
You will realize, it won't change anything.
That's because you're french. Americans evidently start to panic when they see the police behind them.
November 29th, 2020, 12:51 PM
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;906761]Putting something up that restricts staff members' freedom [I]as players[/I] (the freedom of having a meta and the stress of having to conceal an identity) when they don't want to and that doesn't actually prevent anything is no "solution"; plus, it's not like abuse actually happened anywhere, unless telling someone, independently from a player identity, that telling someone to be a man and blow their brains out is against the rules is abuse, in which case abuse is literally everywhere.
And if I thought the administration of a community were so deeply corrupt that righteous and legitimate reports would do nothing or would get me banned, well, I'd probably leave that community, because there would no trust in any form of fairness. This isn't the case here.
Your snake illustration has two major flaws:
- The snake and its owner are the same person in the real world. "Biting" would imply that staff has extraordinarily evil intent, it's not like it's something uncontrolled like a snake. If you really believe staff has evil intent, report. Plus...
- ...are you going to tell me that an admin with evil intent, who wants to abuse his powers, won't change accounts, even though it takes 15 seconds to do? The very existence of moderation implies the latent risk of abuse, and it won't change just because you disguise moderators.
And by the way, this kind of suggestion is, as far as I know, completely unprecedented in the worldwide FM community; it's not like we're some kind of archaic dictatorship. It's not like game integrity is at stake either. So really, I don't think there is a systemic problem. And even assuming there would be one, it would stop nothing. All it'd do is be unfair for staff.[/QUOTE]I'm not suggesting to change one's meta and actually try to stay anon as much as possible. I'm suggesting to use a white acc that obviously still belongs to you simply to further display that you're a player when signing and not an admin. It's not the perfect solution to every ploblem, but a step to simply come forward towards players. A compromise.
In my illustration the snake would be owned by someone else. I by no means intend to say you'd be a snake, but I do wanna say that no matter how much you or someone else, maybe myself, says about how friendly and kind you are, someone who doesn't know may still end up thinking that you might bite, like that snake. I think threads like this are proof that the issue does exist.
I can't say much about other sites. I'm not really involved in anything like this anywhere. It totally is possible that this would be the only site to implement that kinda system if it were to happen. But it's still a good move towards the playerbase, no? And for once this site would actually be pioneering in something that helps players, unlike with changes like the removal of lynch which happened after other sites did it.
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Putting something up that restricts staff members' freedom as players (the freedom of having a meta and the stress of having to conceal an identity) when they don't want to and that doesn't actually prevent anything is no "solution"; plus, it's not like abuse actually happened anywhere, unless telling someone, independently from a player identity, that telling someone to be a man and blow their brains out is against the rules is abuse, in which case abuse is literally everywhere.
And if I thought the administration of a community were so deeply corrupt that righteous and legitimate reports would do nothing or would get me banned, well, I'd probably leave that community, because there would no trust in any form of fairness. This isn't the case here.
Your snake illustration has two major flaws:
- The snake and its owner are the same person in the real world. "Biting" would imply that staff has extraordinarily evil intent, it's not like it's something uncontrolled like a snake. If you really believe staff has evil intent, report. Plus...
- ...are you going to tell me that an admin with evil intent, who wants to abuse his powers, won't change accounts, even though it takes 15 seconds to do? The very existence of moderation implies the latent risk of abuse, and it won't change just because you disguise moderators.
And by the way, this kind of suggestion is, as far as I know, completely unprecedented in the worldwide FM community; it's not like we're some kind of archaic dictatorship. It's not like game integrity is at stake either. So really, I don't think there is a systemic problem. And even assuming there would be one, it would stop nothing. All it'd do is be unfair for staff.
I'm not suggesting to change one's meta and actually try to stay anon as much as possible. I'm suggesting to use a white acc that obviously still belongs to you simply to further display that you're a player when signing and not an admin. It's not the perfect solution to every ploblem, but a step to simply come forward towards players. A compromise.
In my illustration the snake would be owned by someone else. I by no means intend to say you'd be a snake, but I do wanna say that no matter how much you or someone else, maybe myself, says about how friendly and kind you are, someone who doesn't know may still end up thinking that you might bite, like that snake. I think threads like this are proof that the issue does exist.
I can't say much about other sites. I'm not really involved in anything like this anywhere. It totally is possible that this would be the only site to implement that kinda system if it were to happen. But it's still a good move towards the playerbase, no? And for once this site would actually be pioneering in something that helps players, unlike with changes like the removal of lynch which happened after other sites did it.
November 29th, 2020, 11:50 AM
The ability to pull off gambits. A player succeeding at every shit strat he tries or a player being told to drop it off after trying one single thing.
The ability to identify and judge gambits. Reacting appropriately or falling right into it.
Resilience. Continuing to play a strong game after being called out for mistakes, or flopping like a flounder after stepping on a stone.
Knowledge about scumtells, both to identify them and to protect oneself from showing them.
The ability to convince others. Establishing a strong standing in the thread through good, and possibly even few, arguments, or going under as a coasting lurker.
Activity. Posting 24/7 or struggling with the minimum post count either due to a lack of time or the simple inability to express oneself with words.
Paying attention. Noticing every detail and using the skills one has at their disposal when possible, or skipping large chunks of posts and forgetting the current gamestate.
Passive charisma. Having others want one alive for reasons not even game-related, or being a day 1 lynch for a meme.
Luck and good gut reads. A player sometimes having unexplained sparks and saving the game through them, or a player doing it more often than not and being a massive pain in the ass for everyone else involved.
All that can be measured to some extent and qualifies as skill imo. How much each aspect individually matters and how they correlate to each other is a more complicated matter. Everyone usually plays differently every game too.
The ability to pull off gambits. A player succeeding at every shit strat he tries or a player being told to drop it off after trying one single thing.
The ability to identify and judge gambits. Reacting appropriately or falling right into it.
Resilience. Continuing to play a strong game after being called out for mistakes, or flopping like a flounder after stepping on a stone.
Knowledge about scumtells, both to identify them and to protect oneself from showing them.
The ability to convince others. Establishing a strong standing in the thread through good, and possibly even few, arguments, or going under as a coasting lurker.
Activity. Posting 24/7 or struggling with the minimum post count either due to a lack of time or the simple inability to express oneself with words.
Paying attention. Noticing every detail and using the skills one has at their disposal when possible, or skipping large chunks of posts and forgetting the current gamestate.
Passive charisma. Having others want one alive for reasons not even game-related, or being a day 1 lynch for a meme.
Luck and good gut reads. A player sometimes having unexplained sparks and saving the game through them, or a player doing it more often than not and being a massive pain in the ass for everyone else involved.
All that can be measured to some extent and qualifies as skill imo. How much each aspect individually matters and how they correlate to each other is a more complicated matter. Everyone usually plays differently every game too.
November 29th, 2020, 11:00 AM
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;906725][COLOR="#FF0000"]Literally this.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]That quote is entirely proving the point tho, isn't it? This thread here exists. So obviously that means you, or another admin, did give off the feeling of having flexed admin powers. Same thing with Mesk's thread too. She made it that way because she felt you acted in her game like an admin instead of a player.
The solution of using an acc with white name on the other hand would highlight and show that your sign was made as a player, and you're participating as a player. Even if you're still the same person, using a different acc and as a result having to change accounts for admin actions would be a totally different situation that gives off a far more relaxing feel to other players. It's one more barrier the admin has to cross before getting the chance to act, which he's supposed to never use.
Here, an example to illustrate the situation, without intent of any negative implications. Try imagining having a tame but deadly snake in front of you. The guy owning the snake says it's harmless, but there's still the chance it's gonna bite. Then imagine there's a glass door between you and the snake. Even knowing the snake could just get through the door if it wanted to, you'd be far more relaxed with the barrier than without, wouldn't you? I think that's roughly comparable here.
The extra account would be that barrier, and by placing it you're showing everyone that you actually really mean it when you're saying that you're only participating as player instead of admin. Mesk fairly clearly said she didn't feel like you're just acting like a player, so I think showing it that way would be great.
I'm not even trying to criticise the actions you took or are taking as admin. You should know by now that I'd just tell you on discord if I felt like that. I'm going by the responses that were displayed by several players so far here. These threads here show that just your simple words about acting and playing as player instead of admin don't mean enough. This is mafia after all, words mean shit here.
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Literally this.
That quote is entirely proving the point tho, isn't it? This thread here exists. So obviously that means you, or another admin, did give off the feeling of having flexed admin powers. Same thing with Mesk's thread too. She made it that way because she felt you acted in her game like an admin instead of a player.
The solution of using an acc with white name on the other hand would highlight and show that your sign was made as a player, and you're participating as a player. Even if you're still the same person, using a different acc and as a result having to change accounts for admin actions would be a totally different situation that gives off a far more relaxing feel to other players. It's one more barrier the admin has to cross before getting the chance to act, which he's supposed to never use.
Here, an example to illustrate the situation, without intent of any negative implications. Try imagining having a tame but deadly snake in front of you. The guy owning the snake says it's harmless, but there's still the chance it's gonna bite. Then imagine there's a glass door between you and the snake. Even knowing the snake could just get through the door if it wanted to, you'd be far more relaxed with the barrier than without, wouldn't you? I think that's roughly comparable here.
The extra account would be that barrier, and by placing it you're showing everyone that you actually really mean it when you're saying that you're only participating as player instead of admin. Mesk fairly clearly said she didn't feel like you're just acting like a player, so I think showing it that way would be great.
I'm not even trying to criticise the actions you took or are taking as admin. You should know by now that I'd just tell you on discord if I felt like that. I'm going by the responses that were displayed by several players so far here. These threads here show that just your simple words about acting and playing as player instead of admin don't mean enough. This is mafia after all, words mean shit here.
November 29th, 2020, 01:18 AM
I think the root problem is that for example aamirus saying someone gamethrows as part of her scumgame has much more impact and might get people to actually take it serious when her name is red, than it would if she was on the white smurf acc bbmirus. Being known or not isn't the problem here, just that use of the account with colour also implies that the powers are there and the action can be taken at any time. When it's a (not anonymous) smurf acc it kinda tells you mod status is now off, and the only people doing something are the other mods outside the game
I think the root problem is that for example aamirus saying someone gamethrows as part of her scumgame has much more impact and might get people to actually take it serious when her name is red, than it would if she was on the white smurf acc bbmirus. Being known or not isn't the problem here, just that use of the account with colour also implies that the powers are there and the action can be taken at any time. When it's a (not anonymous) smurf acc it kinda tells you mod status is now off, and the only people doing something are the other mods outside the game
October 29th, 2020, 09:55 PM
Oh man, mentioning my name here really doesn't make much of a difference. I've been watchlisted for pretty much exactly this before too, as have been several others. The issue isn't the initial use of colors in the first place, those are a 20k+ points unlock and perfectly allowed to use. The issue and what likely turned it into chat abuse is that you did it to a point where someone asked you to stop, and your response was to disrespect the request and continue, as far as I can tell.
It sure isn't written out with this exact example in the rulebook, that's true, but it's a common sense rule. Abusing colors to win an argument, to grief, or even just to make someone feel bad. One and one put together. There is some lenience here, similar to names, where the line is the usage being disruptive. Unreadable names, names being so long they cut off text etc. Some roles also gain advantages through color text which they couldn't from preselected names unless preferred.
Please try to take it as a lesson, be a bit more considerate with others while using abilities they don't have access to. Some people with arguably shallow minds hate it, and those features don't exist for pissing others off. It's really only there for fun. Argue and get them mad with normal chat.
Sorry anyway that I failed to tell you in advance when you asked about the fish. I even feel somewhat bad about failing to prevent this.
Also, other people, please don't post in report threads when you aren't the reported person or a mod. We don't do kinkshaming here. Do that in circlejerk.
Just butting in because I was mentioned btw. This isn't a verdict on the appeal request. I didn't watch the replay and can't say how far what I'm saying applies here, especially with them being a d2 lynched silencer like one of the reports says.
Oh man, mentioning my name here really doesn't make much of a difference. I've been watchlisted for pretty much exactly this before too, as have been several others. The issue isn't the initial use of colors in the first place, those are a 20k+ points unlock and perfectly allowed to use. The issue and what likely turned it into chat abuse is that you did it to a point where someone asked you to stop, and your response was to disrespect the request and continue, as far as I can tell.
It sure isn't written out with this exact example in the rulebook, that's true, but it's a common sense rule. Abusing colors to win an argument, to grief, or even just to make someone feel bad. One and one put together. There is some lenience here, similar to names, where the line is the usage being disruptive. Unreadable names, names being so long they cut off text etc. Some roles also gain advantages through color text which they couldn't from preselected names unless preferred.
Please try to take it as a lesson, be a bit more considerate with others while using abilities they don't have access to. Some people with arguably shallow minds hate it, and those features don't exist for pissing others off. It's really only there for fun. Argue and get them mad with normal chat.
Sorry anyway that I failed to tell you in advance when you asked about the fish. I even feel somewhat bad about failing to prevent this.
Also, other people, please don't post in report threads when you aren't the reported person or a mod. We don't do kinkshaming here. Do that in circlejerk.
Just butting in because I was mentioned btw. This isn't a verdict on the appeal request. I didn't watch the replay and can't say how far what I'm saying applies here, especially with them being a d2 lynched silencer like one of the reports says.
October 25th, 2020, 02:53 PM
[QUOTE=bakermir;898980]yea zone is equally annoying as bruno
neither have flip value
GREAT SCUM THEATRE
when I flip tonight get the people who pushed for this lynch[/QUOTE]
Get zone to flip first. We'll have exactly this same situation tomorrow again if you don't
Originally Posted by
bakermir
yea zone is equally annoying as bruno
neither have flip value
GREAT SCUM THEATRE
when I flip tonight get the people who pushed for this lynch
Get zone to flip first. We'll have exactly this same situation tomorrow again if you don't
October 25th, 2020, 02:52 PM
[QUOTE=Gyrlander;898979]You mean YOU have.[/QUOTE]
Martin literally went off a few minutes ago now that there's a solid train on zone. he even voted bruno saying policy lynch
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
You mean YOU have.
Martin literally went off a few minutes ago now that there's a solid train on zone. he even voted bruno saying policy lynch
October 25th, 2020, 02:49 PM
[QUOTE=bakermir;898975]zone flip value = 0
you or martin are better options for flip value. ceko too.
or vote Mike the outed 3P[/QUOTE]
On what basis? Why the fuck did you wait till now to start talking? EoD is 10 minutes. We have pretty good association tells on zone with gyro and martin. The guy has been acting scummy and did nothing to tell the town. We'd literally have this same situation every other day too if he's not flipping over now
Originally Posted by
bakermir
zone flip value = 0
you or martin are better options for flip value. ceko too.
or vote Mike the outed 3P
On what basis? Why the fuck did you wait till now to start talking? EoD is 10 minutes. We have pretty good association tells on zone with gyro and martin. The guy has been acting scummy and did nothing to tell the town. We'd literally have this same situation every other day too if he's not flipping over now
October 25th, 2020, 02:46 PM
baker what the fuck do you know now
baker what the fuck do you know now
October 25th, 2020, 02:43 PM
[QUOTE=Renegade;898966]I'm okay with this vote
[vote]Zone_QQ11[/vote][/QUOTE]
you have a typo there
Originally Posted by
Renegade
I'm okay with this vote
-vote Zone_QQ11
you have a typo there
October 25th, 2020, 02:42 PM
[MENTION=45327]bakermir[/MENTION] [MENTION=30852]Renegade[/MENTION] EoD in 20 minutes
@bakermir
@Renegade
EoD in 20 minutes
October 25th, 2020, 02:29 PM
[MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION] place your vote on zone if you wanna look town. It's him or no-lynch now
@MartinGG99
place your vote on zone if you wanna look town. It's him or no-lynch now
October 25th, 2020, 02:28 PM
[vote]zone_q11[/vote]
-vote zone_q11
October 25th, 2020, 01:48 PM
[QUOTE=Mike;898884]But if zone was mafia why doest he flip his vote over to me. Get me mislyned to save martin????[/QUOTE]
He's been a depressive potato this entire game. Like, you don't actually believe he'd have a chance of surviving this day after trying to suddenly start aggressively pushing an active player who has others townreading him, do you? That'd be suicidal
Originally Posted by
Mike
But if zone was mafia why doest he flip his vote over to me. Get me mislyned to save martin????
He's been a depressive potato this entire game. Like, you don't actually believe he'd have a chance of surviving this day after trying to suddenly start aggressively pushing an active player who has others townreading him, do you? That'd be suicidal
October 25th, 2020, 01:44 PM
[QUOTE=Zone_Q11;898883]You WIFOMed to be Mario, then stated that you are not Mario, and instead asked Mairo to check you when other questionable people (e.g. Ceko and Kenny) were present. No matter how I see it, that looks like a Neutral wanting to get some kill-power.
Why would you think so?
Speaking of weak, didn't you say you would vote me? What happened to [I]that[/I]?[/QUOTE]
Balance? 4 mafia + 1 cult-like neut evil against 10 town would be near unwinnable
Originally Posted by
Zone_Q11
You WIFOMed to be Mario, then stated that you are not Mario, and instead asked Mairo to check you when other questionable people (e.g. Ceko and Kenny) were present. No matter how I see it, that looks like a Neutral wanting to get some kill-power.
Why would you think so?
Speaking of weak, didn't you say you would vote me? What happened to that?
Balance? 4 mafia + 1 cult-like neut evil against 10 town would be near unwinnable
October 25th, 2020, 01:41 PM
q11 gyro martin is my scumcore. Anyone of those 3 would be a good lynch. Everyone else would be a mistake. I won't be changing my mind here until I see a flip from one of those three. Gyro and zone currently trying to create a train outside that scumcore strengthens my read too. They won't push each other outside of unserious pushes, like Martin's who sounded downright depressive when he voted.
q11 gyro martin is my scumcore. Anyone of those 3 would be a good lynch. Everyone else would be a mistake. I won't be changing my mind here until I see a flip from one of those three. Gyro and zone currently trying to create a train outside that scumcore strengthens my read too. They won't push each other outside of unserious pushes, like Martin's who sounded downright depressive when he voted.
October 25th, 2020, 01:36 PM
[QUOTE=Zone_Q11;898878]Eh... Ceko was answering a question you made, so it might as well be a scripted talk.
IYAM, out of all the posts that Ceko has written, the only one that made me doubt my scumread on him, would be when he voted Mike who was (and still is) the top Neutral suspect. Meanwhile, all I remember from you is your circular argument of "scum = scum" and nothing else.
--on a side note, there is literally a pool of three that nobody seems to be talking about; Firebringer, Whysper and Bahkieh. These three have been silent AFAICR and the only one who did something against this was Baker, who voted Whysper for a while before jumping off again to vote the most probable Neutral.[/QUOTE]
There was no night 0
Originally Posted by
Zone_Q11
Eh... Ceko was answering a question you made, so it might as well be a scripted talk.
IYAM, out of all the posts that Ceko has written, the only one that made me doubt my scumread on him, would be when he voted Mike who was (and still is) the top Neutral suspect. Meanwhile, all I remember from you is your circular argument of "scum = scum" and nothing else.
--on a side note, there is literally a pool of three that nobody seems to be talking about; Firebringer, Whysper and Bahkieh. These three have been silent AFAICR and the only one who did something against this was Baker, who voted Whysper for a while before jumping off again to vote the most probable Neutral.
There was no night 0
October 25th, 2020, 01:32 PM
[QUOTE=Gyrlander;898874]Weak[/QUOTE]
I'm aware
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
Weak
I'm aware
October 25th, 2020, 01:30 PM
Guys this is 15p we're not gonna have 4 mafia with half the town claiming citizen already
Guys this is 15p we're not gonna have 4 mafia with half the town claiming citizen already
October 25th, 2020, 01:28 PM
[QUOTE=Gyrlander;898861]Also, where did you read on Renegade go? You changed from Rene to me/zone/martin all of a sudden.[/QUOTE]
There's a lack of association tells around ren. And there's MM saying he's 100% sure ren is town. It's really just that
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
Also, where did you read on Renegade go? You changed from Rene to me/zone/martin all of a sudden.
There's a lack of association tells around ren. And there's MM saying he's 100% sure ren is town. It's really just that
October 25th, 2020, 01:24 PM
[QUOTE=Zone_Q11;898854]"I wish to die."
I think Mike is Princess Toadstool, but I am committed to policy lynch Bruno, so I won't do anything about it.
...hm? Mafia can't talk at day?
If it's scumteam you want, then I'll just say it's you, Ceko, and FrostByte. The former two backs each other up while the last one just complains about everyone else AFAIK.
Ceko's vote on you was a surprise, but I knew that wouldn't last long.[/QUOTE]
that's actually a good read about me, ceko, frostbyte. I don't even have a read on frostbyte to respond to that with.
Ceko's post that locked him as town for me was this:
[QUOTE=theoneceko;898219]the whole thing. i'm not omniscient :angerry: r u trying to make me look like i LIED about reading the setup??
guess i'll check and post what i find so EVERYONE knows the answer. town should never be kept in the dark unless u have a high-iq play up ur sleeve.
~
ok ig the answer is YES all mafia can act at the same time. i don't think it said in the setup explicitly though, which is why i pinged banana.[/QUOTE]
He did it shortly after Mike coming in with the surface reads, and literally messed up on info that is written right in mafia rolecard. That seems like too much wifom for him to have knowingly done that.
Originally Posted by
Zone_Q11
"I wish to die."
I think Mike is Princess Toadstool, but I am committed to policy lynch Bruno, so I won't do anything about it.
...hm? Mafia can't talk at day?
If it's scumteam you want, then I'll just say it's you, Ceko, and FrostByte. The former two backs each other up while the last one just complains about everyone else AFAIK.
Ceko's vote on you was a surprise, but I knew that wouldn't last long.
that's actually a good read about me, ceko, frostbyte. I don't even have a read on frostbyte to respond to that with.
Ceko's post that locked him as town for me was this:
Originally Posted by
theoneceko
the whole thing. i'm not omniscient :angerry: r u trying to make me look like i LIED about reading the setup??
guess i'll check and post what i find so EVERYONE knows the answer. town should never be kept in the dark unless u have a high-iq play up ur sleeve.
~
ok ig the answer is YES all mafia can act at the same time. i don't think it said in the setup explicitly though, which is why i pinged banana.
He did it shortly after Mike coming in with the surface reads, and literally messed up on info that is written right in mafia rolecard. That seems like too much wifom for him to have knowingly done that.
October 25th, 2020, 01:18 PM
[QUOTE=Mike;898853]Ok MM was like the GF and Martion was his demon. only 2 mafia in the game. Martian Voted for his Partner day 1 could have moved his vote and safed his partner but let him die for the town cred.[/QUOTE]
In that case no. There is no easy way for martin to save his partner here
Originally Posted by
Mike
Ok MM was like the GF and Martion was his demon. only 2 mafia in the game. Martian Voted for his Partner day 1 could have moved his vote and safed his partner but let him die for the town cred.
In that case no. There is no easy way for martin to save his partner here
October 25th, 2020, 01:16 PM
But Martin made a lot of appeals to emotion, so I suppose the answer is yes
But Martin made a lot of appeals to emotion, so I suppose the answer is yes
October 25th, 2020, 01:15 PM
I've actually never played with Martin before, pretty sure
I've actually never played with Martin before, pretty sure
October 25th, 2020, 01:14 PM
[QUOTE=Mike;898848]Anyone sum reading Kenny should be ashamed.
If zone is Mafia and I got pocketed again. I am going to take a break from FM. and just play VM for a while.
Do you think Martin is doing the same thing again? bussing his partner day 1 for the town cred like last game when he bussed MM day 1.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't in that game and didn't read it. I have no way to answer that for you now lol
Originally Posted by
Mike
Anyone sum reading Kenny should be ashamed.
If zone is Mafia and I got pocketed again. I am going to take a break from FM. and just play VM for a while.
Do you think Martin is doing the same thing again? bussing his partner day 1 for the town cred like last game when he bussed MM day 1.
I wasn't in that game and didn't read it. I have no way to answer that for you now lol
October 25th, 2020, 01:07 PM
[QUOTE=bakermir;898841]ceko got TR'd by a lot of people from different parties.
isn't that suspicious???[/QUOTE]
No it's not
Originally Posted by
bakermir
ceko got TR'd by a lot of people from different parties.
isn't that suspicious???
No it's not
October 25th, 2020, 01:06 PM
[QUOTE=Gyrlander;898837]All I remember you said about Zone is that he hasn't said he isn't Mafia. I'm asking you something more, I don't expect you to mention every post but you should have a general idea to make me understand where you at right now. Capiche?
Martin all I've read from you is a literal continous "no, you're reeking scum" to every post of his so I'm legit ignoring that one.[/QUOTE]
Zone has been stuck in one mindset since practically the start of this game. He was called scum once, experienced a healthy dose of toxicity, and practically gave up. He did not once say that the people calling him scum are wrong, or acting scummy in doing so. He continued to focus on himself, talk about himself regretting to sign up, he got all emotional. Later on he then started trying to justify his lack of a reaction to the scumreads thrown at him. He still isn't calling anyone scum as far as I can tell.
The justifying part is the newbie mistake I mentioned a bunch of times. When you're town and realize you messed up you try to understand where the other townies are coming from and accept their reads. You don't go further in your hole and say you're being right, while also not denying that they are being right. Only exposed scum do that.
Take this as a tldr of the back of my head.
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
All I remember you said about Zone is that he hasn't said he isn't Mafia. I'm asking you something more, I don't expect you to mention every post but you should have a general idea to make me understand where you at right now. Capiche?
Martin all I've read from you is a literal continous "no, you're reeking scum" to every post of his so I'm legit ignoring that one.
Zone has been stuck in one mindset since practically the start of this game. He was called scum once, experienced a healthy dose of toxicity, and practically gave up. He did not once say that the people calling him scum are wrong, or acting scummy in doing so. He continued to focus on himself, talk about himself regretting to sign up, he got all emotional. Later on he then started trying to justify his lack of a reaction to the scumreads thrown at him. He still isn't calling anyone scum as far as I can tell.
The justifying part is the newbie mistake I mentioned a bunch of times. When you're town and realize you messed up you try to understand where the other townies are coming from and accept their reads. You don't go further in your hole and say you're being right, while also not denying that they are being right. Only exposed scum do that.
Take this as a tldr of the back of my head.
October 25th, 2020, 12:54 PM
[QUOTE=Gyrlander;898818]Please tell me what's up with Zone and Martin in a clear way. You have been talking about Zone making "newbie mistakes" but I apparently missed those posts. And your interaction with Mike makes me want to vote you for being a haughty ass but yeah.[/QUOTE]
Look I'm not keeping notes with the number of every post I write. I'd have to search for the posts with zone's fuck ups or my explanations to them as much as you would. If you want to look like you care, do the work yourself, scroll up, go through my iso, read what I'm writing. The same applies to my read on Martin too. Town's gotta form reads for themselves. There is no tldr with one sentence.
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
Please tell me what's up with Zone and Martin in a clear way. You have been talking about Zone making "newbie mistakes" but I apparently missed those posts. And your interaction with Mike makes me want to vote you for being a haughty ass but yeah.
Look I'm not keeping notes with the number of every post I write. I'd have to search for the posts with zone's fuck ups or my explanations to them as much as you would. If you want to look like you care, do the work yourself, scroll up, go through my iso, read what I'm writing. The same applies to my read on Martin too. Town's gotta form reads for themselves. There is no tldr with one sentence.
October 25th, 2020, 12:43 PM
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;898781]Well aint that's just wonderful
If gyro Gyrlander is scum and both me and Zone are town
then be sure to give him my congratulations to him
for deceiving one of my stronger town-reads to scum-read me
[SIZE=1](on a separate note though I think Grylander is probably town but that's fairly pointless to say atp imo)[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;898812]Oh. My self-vote didn't count.
Whatever
[vote]Zone_Q11[/vote]
At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity
And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny
I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)[/QUOTE]
You make some interesting progressions
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Well aint that's just wonderful
If gyro Gyrlander is scum and both me and Zone are town
then be sure to give him my congratulations to him
for deceiving one of my stronger town-reads to scum-read me
(on a separate note though I think Grylander is probably town but that's fairly pointless to say atp imo)
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Oh. My self-vote didn't count.
Whatever
-vote Zone_Q11
At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity
And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny
I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)
You make some interesting progressions
October 25th, 2020, 12:38 PM
[QUOTE=Mike;898798]What am I missing and where did you influence my view and what is a strawman's argument?
And if you tried to influence my views in game yes that is scummy as all hell.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mike;898665]This is BULL CRAP. How can you see what he means because his post is BS. Go back in the discord. I sent him DM about how he Pocketed me hard. He knows that post was genuine. The fact he is even pushing this naritive is a Pile of Crap.
I want town to Look back on this post if I ever die and You see my flip
Martian and Ceko seem to align themselfs. to a Lie.
I had a town read on you ceko but this post is BS. This feels like you know I am going to flip town and want some defense for when I do.[/QUOTE]
That 2nd quote is a quote on ceko's reaction to Martin's post. To strawman means to use a normally unrelated but hard to disprove argument to divert attention from the original issue, an argument that acts like a strawman to attack.
Here and the quoted posts:
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;898716]Technically scum have done everything at some point or somewhere.
Its up to us to decide if we think that's what happened or not, and whether it was for scum-side intent.[/QUOTE]
Originally Posted by
Mike
What am I missing and where did you influence my view and what is a strawman's argument?
And if you tried to influence my views in game yes that is scummy as all hell.
Originally Posted by
Mike
This is BULL CRAP. How can you see what he means because his post is BS. Go back in the discord. I sent him DM about how he Pocketed me hard. He knows that post was genuine. The fact he is even pushing this naritive is a Pile of Crap.
I want town to Look back on this post if I ever die and You see my flip
Martian and Ceko seem to align themselfs. to a Lie.
I had a town read on you ceko but this post is BS. This feels like you know I am going to flip town and want some defense for when I do.
That 2nd quote is a quote on ceko's reaction to Martin's post. To strawman means to use a normally unrelated but hard to disprove argument to divert attention from the original issue, an argument that acts like a strawman to attack.
Here and the quoted posts:
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Technically scum have done everything at some point or somewhere.
Its up to us to decide if we think that's what happened or not, and whether it was for scum-side intent.
October 25th, 2020, 12:31 PM
Ok I know y'all are getting pocketed by cryouts to motherly instincts easier than I am. So I think about this: as what are alignment are you more worried about people feeling let down by your play? It's always, absolutely always, mafia. You only care about your team going on as mafia. When you're town you eat it up. Like 10 more townies around anyway. Nothing's gonna happen from one mistake or two.
Ok I know y'all are getting pocketed by cryouts to motherly instincts easier than I am. So I think about this: as what are alignment are you more worried about people feeling let down by your play? It's always, absolutely always, mafia. You only care about your team going on as mafia. When you're town you eat it up. Like 10 more townies around anyway. Nothing's gonna happen from one mistake or two.
October 25th, 2020, 12:25 PM
[QUOTE=Zone_Q11;898789]I don't even understand what you're getting at. The only thing I acknowledge is that Bruno is dead-wrong about his read on me, and he kept pushing his reads like a VI so obviously I went on and ignored him.
70 games as town with 36% win-rate and still dropping. I wouldn't mind dying though, since at the very least I would be rid of the suffering that is this game.
Yeah. I still regret signing up since all I see is your so-called derailing instead of literally anything else.
Talking to Bruno is a waste of time since he is at best a VI, and VIs never listen to other people. I learn this from DM whenever we play together in another site.
I would rather be called weak by avoiding Bruno since talking to him is literally begging for me to lose my sanity.
[MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION], could you please not die and just policy vote Bruno off?[/QUOTE]
Oh no 36% winrate and still dropping
Martin plz help
bruno making us lose policy lynch!!!!
Originally Posted by
Zone_Q11
I don't even understand what you're getting at. The only thing I acknowledge is that Bruno is dead-wrong about his read on me, and he kept pushing his reads like a VI so obviously I went on and ignored him.
70 games as town with 36% win-rate and still dropping. I wouldn't mind dying though, since at the very least I would be rid of the suffering that is this game.
Yeah. I still regret signing up since all I see is your so-called derailing instead of literally anything else.
Talking to Bruno is a waste of time since he is at best a VI, and VIs never listen to other people. I learn this from DM whenever we play together in another site.
I would rather be called weak by avoiding Bruno since talking to him is literally begging for me to lose my sanity.
@
MartinGG99
, could you please not die and just policy vote Bruno off?
Oh no 36% winrate and still dropping
Martin plz help
bruno making us lose policy lynch!!!!
October 25th, 2020, 12:21 PM
[QUOTE=Mike;898787]In that thought. You meaning Martin and ceko teamed. I thought about that. But Ceko has pushed Martin and voted on him. Yes he could have been Bussing. But I honstly think you should check Ceko tonight. I am scum reading Ceko. But I am not trusting my reads after Last game yes I am a bit gun shy.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying ceko not realizing the mistake and being town. ceko town martin scum
Originally Posted by
Mike
In that thought. You meaning Martin and ceko teamed. I thought about that. But Ceko has pushed Martin and voted on him. Yes he could have been Bussing. But I honstly think you should check Ceko tonight. I am scum reading Ceko. But I am not trusting my reads after Last game yes I am a bit gun shy.
I'm saying ceko not realizing the mistake and being town. ceko town martin scum
October 25th, 2020, 12:20 PM
Honestly I do somewhat have the impression I'm overthinking MM here, but I'd rather verify the reads I'm actually confident about first
Honestly I do somewhat have the impression I'm overthinking MM here, but I'd rather verify the reads I'm actually confident about first
October 25th, 2020, 12:16 PM
[QUOTE=bakermir;898784]what if you are wrong? who is the next group?[/QUOTE]
No idea. I'll write a lw if I'll have to.
Originally Posted by
bakermir
what if you are wrong? who is the next group?
No idea. I'll write a lw if I'll have to.
October 25th, 2020, 12:15 PM
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;898781]Well aint that's just wonderful
If gyro Gyrlander is scum and both me and Zone are town
then be sure to give him my congratulations to him
for deceiving one of my stronger town-reads to scum-read me
[SIZE=1](on a separate note though I think Grylander is probably town but that's fairly pointless to say atp imo)[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Yea sure, that would be a pretty high level play.
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Well aint that's just wonderful
If gyro Gyrlander is scum and both me and Zone are town
then be sure to give him my congratulations to him
for deceiving one of my stronger town-reads to scum-read me
(on a separate note though I think Grylander is probably town but that's fairly pointless to say atp imo)
Yea sure, that would be a pretty high level play.
October 25th, 2020, 12:07 PM
[QUOTE=bakermir;898776]yea ok martin is actin goofy on his last posts
thats not scum.
unless he changed his agenda heavy scum gameplay into AtE heavy one which is concerning at most but not deserving a yeet.
who do you associate them with here?[/QUOTE]
I based my scumteam around gyro
Originally Posted by
bakermir
yea ok martin is actin goofy on his last posts
thats not scum.
unless he changed his agenda heavy scum gameplay into AtE heavy one which is concerning at most but not deserving a yeet.
who do you associate them with here?
I based my scumteam around gyro
October 25th, 2020, 12:06 PM
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;898772]Suit yourself.
You can't scum-paint a role-card though.
And while I think there may be some legitimacy against Zone_Q11 (on the basis that I think it looks a bit weirder that he's experienced and reacting to Bruno like that so quickly 100ish posts in instead of wondering if moderators or hosts will step in)
I wouldn't as confidently scum-read him as you do on the basis of myself.
Just like we have town and scum behaviors, we have behaviors as a result of being a person. There are emotions that are not directly relevant to the game that influence our actions or thoughts.[/QUOTE]
Are you worrying about me now? Put down some proper alternatives then. Take a hard stance if you think you know something better. Stop fence-sitting. Stop those AtE posts.
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Suit yourself.
You can't scum-paint a role-card though.
And while I think there may be some legitimacy against Zone_Q11 (on the basis that I think it looks a bit weirder that he's experienced and reacting to Bruno like that so quickly 100ish posts in instead of wondering if moderators or hosts will step in)
I wouldn't as confidently scum-read him as you do on the basis of myself.
Just like we have town and scum behaviors, we have behaviors as a result of being a person. There are emotions that are not directly relevant to the game that influence our actions or thoughts.
Are you worrying about me now? Put down some proper alternatives then. Take a hard stance if you think you know something better. Stop fence-sitting. Stop those AtE posts.
October 25th, 2020, 12:01 PM
[QUOTE=bakermir;898771]MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall, Gyrlander
what the fuck is this[/QUOTE]
Gotta read the thread my man
Originally Posted by
bakermir
MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall, Gyrlander
what the fuck is this
Gotta read the thread my man
October 25th, 2020, 11:57 AM
Look at me I'm trying to get myself lynched so those other 2 people you're scumreading must be town along with me!!!
Look at me I'm trying to get myself lynched so those other 2 people you're scumreading must be town along with me!!!