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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
MattZed
Oh, I'm sure you would.
I don't like how this sounds lol
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Orpz
>When you call someone scum for keeping lynch options open as you make a post declaring your lynch options are open
I don't even think you're scum anymore because of Titus's flip but your arguments against me are weak.
Let's start a new hype train AWAY FROM ME
-vote Superjack
Worthless. Go Train yourself.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
MattZed
Okay, no.
@
Whad
, if you're town, you REALLY need to stop assuming your own innocence is self-evident. Regardless of your alignment, there have been legitimately scummy things in your posts, and when people vote you for it, it doesn't make them scum. You're proposing that your EoD train was 100% scum. When has that
ever happened? Really, I understand scum wanting to coordinate to save their own, but when is a train ONLY scum, especially on D1?
And besides, the "scum were voting Whad to save Titus" idea ENTIRELY misses the chronology of what happened. Crypt made a switch at last minute, long after many players would have been able to vote to save a scum partner. Hell, with how close it was, there's a very good chance a scum vote was sitting on Titus that couldn't be moved in time (*coughMeskcough*) Unless Orpz is somehow playing waaaaay better than I know him to as scum, your train was town driven and you need to accept that.
The notion that Orpz and I are scumbuddies is absurd and needs to stop right now.
@
Cryptonic
, if you're sincere about being okay with a SuperJack lynch, then join me. He's in my lynch pool, and if he's in yours then you should have no problem changing.
-vote SuperJack
AAAAAAAAND The Second Mafia is voting me.
Look at all the Mafia voting me. Without Reason.
Whats the point, you lose tomorrow anyway.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
@Orpz
You vote MZ or you die.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
AAAAAAAAND The Second Mafia is voting me.
Look at all the Mafia voting me. Without Reason.
Whats the point, you lose tomorrow anyway.
If you flip scum, I win. And if you're going to call Orpz and I out as scum right after I've explained how dumb that idea is, you may as well admit you're scum.
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Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
@
Orpz
You vote MZ or you die.
Oh, now you can't afford to let Orpz and I live? You're in no position to make threats, and once I talk some sense into my train, you're one of the top candidates to go.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
MattZed
If you flip scum, I win. And if you're going to call Orpz and I out as scum right after I've explained how dumb that idea is, you may as well admit you're scum.
Oh, now you can't afford to let Orpz and I live? You're in no position to make threats, and once I talk some sense into my train, you're one of the top candidates to go.
Please, Explain how this Idea is stupid, Just look at your both.
Voting with each other against me. You might as well create a team name, may I recommend Team Wankers.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
MattZed
If you flip scum, I win. And if you're going to call Orpz and I out as scum right after I've explained how dumb that idea is, you may as well admit you're scum.
Oh, now you can't afford to let Orpz and I live? You're in no position to make threats, and once I talk some sense into my train, you're one of the top candidates to go.
OH MY FUCKING GOD
@EVERYONE
LYNCH THIS GUY BEFORE HE MANIPULATES ALL YOUR MINDS AND MAKES YOU GUYS LYNCH ME WITHOUT ANY RESISTENCE.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
However, don't you think that the fact that the 2 most town-read people are voting you means something? Perish.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
MattZed
Okay, no.
@
Whad
, if you're town, you REALLY need to stop assuming your own innocence is self-evident. Regardless of your alignment, there have been legitimately scummy things in your posts, and when people vote you for it, it doesn't make them scum. You're proposing that your EoD train was 100% scum. When has that
ever happened? Really, I understand scum wanting to coordinate to save their own, but when is a train ONLY scum, especially on D1?
And besides, the "scum were voting Whad to save Titus" idea ENTIRELY misses the chronology of what happened. Crypt made a switch at last minute, long after many players would have been able to vote to save a scum partner. Hell, with how close it was, there's a very good chance a scum vote was sitting on Titus that couldn't be moved in time (*coughMeskcough*) Unless Orpz is somehow playing waaaaay better than I know him to as scum, your train was town driven and you need to accept that.
The notion that Orpz and I are scumbuddies is absurd and needs to stop right now.
@
Cryptonic
, if you're sincere about being okay with a SuperJack lynch, then join me. He's in my lynch pool, and if he's in yours then you should have no problem changing.
-vote SuperJack
Completely misrepresenting Whad's attitude. He never tried to push himself as obvious town. In fact, he said he was surprised he wasn't lynched yesterday. You're the one trying to push yourself as obvious town. And Whad has clearly had a "no hard feelings about the ISO but I scumread you anyway". Stop trying to manipulate things into something they're not.
People don't scumread you and Orpz because of the Whad train. It's more like: People scumread you and Orpz, and the Whad train also happens to be a lovely coincidence. You're focusing on the least important aspect of this.
Also, you missed my post regarding you, which was literally one page ago. >.>
Jeez.
@MattZed
[QUOTE=MattZed;674465]If you flip scum, I win. And if you're going to call Orpz and I out as scum right after I've explained how dumb that idea is, you may as well admit you're scum.
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Originally Posted by Mattzed
Oh, now you can't afford to let Orpz and I live? You're in no position to make threats, and once I talk some sense into my train, you're one of the top candidates to go.
"You're in no position to make threats". You are either completely out of it today, or you're trying to make your position into something it obviously is not.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Cryptonic
To what end, though?
I mean, if I were scum, I'd be swapping the second lynch. Especially true if it were a misslynch.
Swapping a misslynch forces the idea that the lynch was correct, and Mafia was saving their own. The next day would proceed with the misslynch. Then Mafia only needs 1 more lynch after that.
That's why I hope people will stand back and consider other lynch possibilities after the lynch-swap takes place.
If today is a mislynch, then it would certainly make sense for them to swap it, by that rationale. However, I'm not going to try and deal with the reverse-psychology and the reverse-reverse-psychology of whether or not they actually swapped a mislynch. Let's just keep it simple and focus on our scumreads.
Anyway, we have 3 lynch choices excluding the forced mislynch and 4 including it. I think you've miscounted.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
yzb25
If today is a mislynch, then it would certainly make sense for them to swap it, by that rationale. However, I'm not going to try and deal with the reverse-psychology and the reverse-reverse-psychology of whether or not they actually swapped a mislynch. Let's just keep it simple and focus on our scumreads.
Anyway, we have 3 lynch choices excluding the forced mislynch and 4 including it. I think you've miscounted.
Oh, and my point was if they force a mislynch when, say, we only have one lynch choice left, rather than earlier, that'd really fuck with us. That's what I meant by "more ambiguous".
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
AAAAAAAAND The Second Mafia is voting me.
Look at all the Mafia voting me. Without Reason.
Whats the point, you lose tomorrow anyway.
Why do they lose tomorrow?
It reads as if you are scum, and building a false dichotomy should an Orpz lynch go through today.
Will you vote MZ today? (Obviously not rn, as that would put him at L1)
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
@MattZed
How do explain a complete absence of an ISO, or read on Titus, when you promised to deliver reads on all major trains at the time. Why were you not even willing to consider that titus was scum, why did you push so hard on a whad lynch?
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
Promised to deliver ISO's*
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
@
Orpz
You vote MZ or you die.
I can defend myself against any lynch you attempt to throw at me, especially if it's built off "h-he wouldn't vote who I w-wanted him to.
Superjack is a more likely scum than MattZed and we all know it.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
Superjack logged on and stayed active for TEN minutes, only to deride my vote on him and throw other insults.
>the Superjack Internet Defense Force will defend this
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Orpz
I can defend myself against any lynch you attempt to throw at me, especially if it's built off "h-he wouldn't vote who I w-wanted him to.
Superjack is a more likely scum than MattZed and we all know it.
Obviously we do not all 'know it' - 4 votes (MZ) v 2 votes (SJ).
Maybe you'd like to actually present a case and contribute?
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Iced_Monopoly
Obviously we do not all 'know it' - 4 votes (MZ) v 2 votes (SJ).
Maybe you'd like to actually present a case and contribute?
Sure, man. For each player in the game, I can present you a post of Superjack replying to one of their posts, except for Titus.
Their relationship can only be characterized as one of purposeful distancing.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Orpz
Sure, man. For each player in the game, I can present you a post of Superjack replying to one of their posts, except for Titus.
Their relationship can only be characterized as one of purposeful distancing.
How does this trump the behaviours outlined by myself and others exhibited by MZ?
I dont think MZ has interacted with every player here either, and Titus surely didnt interact with every player?
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
Why are so many people using invis as well, 7 people browsing this thread?
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Iced_Monopoly
How does this trump the behaviours outlined by myself and others exhibited by MZ?
I dont think MZ has interacted with every player here either, and Titus surely didnt interact with every player?
It's a very narrow margin. I've already mentioned that I'm certain at least one scum is between SJ/MZ but that I'd rather go with SJ.
Titus interacted with everyone and has mentioned Superjack by name in a good amount of her posts. He ignores all of them, whereas he replies to everyone else's posts. He also claims to pay attention to posts pinging him, yet ignores Titus.
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
LOL. I knew there was no night, didn't know they got no kill.
I tend to skip a lot of posts until they ping me like yours did.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Iced_Monopoly
Why are so many people using invis as well, 7 people browsing this thread?
I use invis so I can read the thread without posting and not have to deal with a bunch of "omg Orpz read the thread but didnt post" attacks
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
Fine. I'll vote MattZed. But Orpz and MZ voting together bothers me.
-vote MattZed
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
Well it looks like we're in a hammerable situation, a lot sooner than id like. Although the main periods of activity for this site appear to be completely irrelevant in this game, as next to no discussion goes down, as whitnessed over the past several irl days.
Im prepared to hammer, but id like MZ to come back and answer my previous questions, as well as give him a chance to
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talk some sense into my train
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Iced_Monopoly
@
MattZed
How do explain a complete absence of an ISO, or read on Titus, when you promised to deliver reads on all major trains at the time. Why were you not even willing to consider that titus was scum, why did you push so hard on a whad lynch?
IIRC, Titus had a single vote when I started ISO'ing. And to be frank, I usually just ISO until I find someone especially scummy, which is what happened with Whad. I still stand by the reasoning I had there, although I wouldn't push Whad yet given Titus' flip. I pushed Whad because I was very confident he was scum, and I wasn't about to let him slide by. Hell, I figured that by pushing so hard on scum I'd get to enjoy a safe town leader position. There was a lot of deception in Whad's play that I haven't seen from a town ever. I'm still surprised by how yesterday went down.
As for Titus, I never ruled her out as scum. I don't think timezones even let me interact with her. But Whad was pretty much obvscum to me, so I went after him.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
@Iced_Monopoly
, have you seen what's SJ's been up to today? 0 contribution, and throwing shade onto me+Orpz. There's no reason for a town to have that sort of carelessness. (I'd also put Gyrlander forth as a suspect for this sort of nonsense. If you really do end up lynching me, PLEASE get around to pressuring them both, and don't mindlessly "hurdur one of Orpz/MattZed must have been scum, so let's get the other")
GET. SUPERJACK.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
MattZed
IIRC, Titus had a single vote when I started ISO'ing. And to be frank, I usually just ISO until I find someone especially scummy, which is what happened with Whad. I still stand by the reasoning I had there, although I wouldn't push Whad yet given Titus' flip. I pushed Whad because I was very confident he was scum, and I wasn't about to let him slide by. Hell, I figured that by pushing so hard on scum I'd get to enjoy a safe town leader position. There was a lot of deception in Whad's play that I haven't seen from a town ever. I'm still surprised by how yesterday went down.
As for Titus, I never ruled her out as scum. I don't think timezones even let me interact with her. But Whad was pretty much obvscum to me, so I went after him.
Cryptonic was a major leading train at the same time whads train picked up. Where was your ISO or reads on him?
Why did you not reavaluate your position on titus when she gained traction. You couldve ISO her without her being around for an interaction.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
MattZed
@
Iced_Monopoly
, have you
seen what's SJ's been up to today? 0 contribution, and throwing shade onto me+Orpz. There's no reason for a town to have that sort of carelessness. (I'd also put Gyrlander forth as a suspect for this sort of nonsense. If you really do end up lynching me, PLEASE get around to pressuring them both, and don't mindlessly "hurdur one of Orpz/MattZed must have been scum, so let's get the other")
GET. SUPERJACK.
If there is a mislynch today, I will not buy into a false dichotomy dillema. I will of course re-evaluate and move accordingly.
Im not ready to hammer you yet, there is still something im waiting for to happen before im prepared to move, in case we come into d3.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
=)
While I wait for that to happen; Super, you say both scum are currently voting you, yet you yourself have not voted?
If I give my hammer vote to you, will you vote MZ?
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Iced_Monopoly
While I wait for that to happen; Super, you say both scum are currently voting you, yet you yourself have not voted?
If I give my hammer vote to you, will you vote MZ?
Just in case youve slinked away before I made my post,
@SuperJack
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Iced_Monopoly
Cryptonic was a major leading train at the same time whads train picked up. Where was your ISO or reads on him?
Why did you not reavaluate your position on titus when she gained traction. You couldve ISO her without her being around for an interaction.
As
@Orpz
can testify, I've been busy these past few days. I've also learned from experience that going after alternative trains when you've found a scum already is pretty much always a mistake. Gives waaaaay too much room for scum to escape.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
MattZed
As
@
Orpz
can testify, I've been busy these past few days. I've also learned from experience that going after alternative trains when you've found a scum already is pretty much always a mistake. Gives waaaaay too much room for scum to escape.
I cant, and wont hold IRL reasons against you for abscense. However the fact of the matter is that you were willing to iso multiple people, and Whad wasnt that big of a case, he was on par with crypt at the time. Room or not, tunneling isnt good. Nobody was asking you to give up your convictions on Whad, only that you broaden your search. There were 3 scum after all. I dont see a town motive to not want to consider others, especially when they said they would.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Iced_Monopoly
I cant, and wont hold IRL reasons against you for abscense. However the fact of the matter is that you were willing to iso multiple people, and Whad wasnt that big of a case, he was on par with crypt at the time. Room or not, tunneling isnt good. Nobody was asking you to give up your convictions on Whad, only that you broaden your search. There were 3 scum after all. I dont see a town motive to not want to consider others, especially when they said they would.
It was less than 24 hours to EoD and I believe I only put Whad up to L-2. There were a lot of fencesitters, and I wanted to lynch my strong scumread. This setup is not the sort of game you solve. There's no point to figuring out the entire scumteam when you only need to kill two of them. I was looking for one scum at a time, and when I locked onto them, I stayed locked on.
No one was all "omg MZ how do you feel about these people???"
If you want to use your vote productively, pressure SJ.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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MattZed has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!
MattZed (5 [L-0]): Mesk514, Gyrlander, yzb25, Cryptonic, SuperJack
Orpz (1 [L-4]): Whad
SuperJack (2 [L-3]): Orpz, MattZed
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
Game is over.
I'll post my thoughts later, but i'm caught in something ATM.
Superjack was Lynched!! He was a Goon!
1. Mesk514 : Citizen.
2. Orpz : Citizen.
3. Iced_Monopoly : Citizen.
4. Gyrlander : Citizen.
5. Titus : Goon.
6. Whad : Citizen.
7. MattZed : Goon.
8. yzb25 : Citizen.
9. SuperJack : Goon.
10. Cryptonic : Citizen.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
Uhh...did you lynch the wrong guy
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
Guess Mafia used their ability to commit sudoku then. :thinking:
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
Iced for MVP
yzb was good, too. Effort made him seem really Towny. It also explains why he twisted what I said lol
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
When you set a test for super, but he flips it on his head and lynches his buddy ;-;
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
lol gg everyone.
I told you SJ was scum.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Cryptonic
Iced for MVP
yzb was good, too. Effort made him seem really Towny. It also explains why he twisted what I said lol
Yeah I was gonna say he played a good scum game, but then Unknown edited the game end post and it turns out Yzb is Town.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Cryptonic
Iced for MVP
yzb was good, too. Effort made him seem really Towny. It also explains why he twisted what I said lol
Your vote no joke actually changed the entire games result. Just saying.
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Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)
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Originally Posted by
Unknown1234
Your vote no joke actually changed the entire games result. Just saying.
Boy have I never been so caught with my pants down than after that Titus flip.