S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

[deathworlds]

Oh no, that's called scumpainting. How about you address the scummy points you've had before this... unexpected claim of bus driver. I believe you actually displayed interest in the Switcher, didn't ya? :P

You also seem to want this lynch much more than I do. I would say that's proof of you being the Switcher. True town wouldn't have revealed like this. In fact I would refer to the game where SUperJack had 3 bus drivers. A game which town lost because they didn't believe there were that many bus drivers.

Heh, I hosted a game where three people thought they were Investigators

[Frinckles]

I'm not unvoting a guy who claims my role while also hard-claiming switcher earlier on. That is, by definition, confirmed scum unless Auwt decided to fuck town over by confirming one busdriver but not the other in the setup.

Or do you think I should be the elimination today?

yeah Martin is real. Gg oberon

[Oberon]

Its in response to his Skyrim comment, and that his anti-setup speculation comment was short & swift; it wasn't detailed in any regard as to why exactly your setup speculation was correct/right or wrong/incorrect or anything.

Obviously Frinckles is a skilled player, but I've been practicing to *not* over-analyze things as of late, so I'm stopping at a town read on him for now.

Do I need to repeat myself?
This is Martin throwing discredit within literally the fisrt 10 posts of the game at someone.

[Renegade]

Don't Reward Goofy Big Brain Plays!

[Oberon]

you aren't complaining about getting cit
you spent plenty of time shitposting

your posts are garbage btw. I hope someone takes a very close look at you tomorrow just so you don't have a chance to go "but he made me mad!!!"

[Renegade]

your posts are garbage btw. I hope someone takes a very close look at you tomorrow just so you don't have a chance to go "but he made me mad!!!"

yikes (!!!!)

[Frinckles]

your posts are garbage btw. I hope someone takes a very close look at you tomorrow just so you don't have a chance to go "but he made me mad!!!"

muh garbage

[deathworlds]

as much as I want to just hammer magoroth and have day end so I can go back to bed before work, it's correct to spend more time reading since we haven't even past the 24hr mark yet

[Frinckles]

I'm literally a town power role. The only one looking at me is the dragon head and he can fuck off

[Oberon]

@Awut

What would happen if a Busdriver was targeted by an operator?

Like, for example:

Player A is Busdriver
Player B is Hunter
Player C is Citizen
Player D is Operator

Player A (Busdriver) switches Players C and D.
Player B (Hunter) tries to shoot player C.
Player D (Operator) switches Players A and B's targets.

What would happen? Would the Hunter try to shoot two people at once, and the Busdriver only visits player C?

This is assuming the Hunter has two charges.

I mean Martin actually did talk about the bus driver lol

[MartinGG99]

Do I need to repeat myself?
This is Martin throwing discredit within literally the fisrt 10 posts of the game at someone.

How is that discredit?

It was a necessary note or observation at the time, while I was crediting him.

Me trying to discredit him doesn't fit with how I've doubled-down at some points with me thinking Frinckles is town (IIRC I believe at one point I called him my strongest town read).

[naz]

I don't know 100% how a switcher will act considering they can use their night action the next day. The reason I feel you could be more likely switcher than Frinckles is because he didn't encourage the conversation at all. If I was switcher I would want people to continue talking about it in order to get a feel for the best possible decision to make. I felt the way you approached it seemed more of a challenge vs ignoring it entirely.

As of right now, it feels like it's you. That being said, less than half the game has actively participated.

try hard chut up

[Unknown1234]

Naza Ill beat u up in star party again

[deathworlds]

First:

Could you give an example?
And. Before anyone asks. No, this isn't me softing switcher.

Next:

I HARDCLAIM SWITCHER.

[Oberon]

I'm literally a town power role. The only one looking at me is the dragon head and he can fuck off

You probably are.
Voting with your heart is anti-town no matter what role you are, however...

Why isn't Renegade hammering?

[Frinckles]

First:

Next:

HES A PILOT

[deathworlds]

You probably are.
Voting with your heart is anti-town no matter what role you are, however...

Why isn't Renegade hammering?

Renegade already voted

[Unknown1234]

I don’t think Martin is scum either, but I don’t understand why someone has to be lying between the two of you.

[Oberon]

I don’t think Martin is scum either, but I don’t understand why someone has to be lying between the two of you.

I don't either. This is not a CC lol and if he's town we've literally just had 3 TPRs outed d1.

[bakermir]

You probably are.
Voting with your heart is anti-town no matter what role you are, however...

Why isn't Renegade hammering?

FrostByte (1 [L-6]):
Unknown1234
Oberon (6 [L-1]):
Frinckles, MattZed, MartinGG99, FrostByte, Renegade, Dark Magician
Unknown1234 (1 [L-6]):
naz
MartinGG99 (2 [L-5]):
Helz, Oberon
Dark Magician (1 [L-6]):
bakermir


this is the second time I can hammer you and I think I should but I can't..

[MartinGG99]

HES A PILOT

Okay, this deserves 500 rep lol

[deathworlds]

Nah, I can be on a leash, like a good pet.
I offer my submission unto y'all. Just let me live.
Pwease?

Okay I see what y'all meant now.

In what world does anyone fakeclaim switcher?

[naz]

omg should i hammer so u guys can shut the fuck up and i can catch up

[Oberon]

lmao did I genuinely fuck up that bad?
Fakeclaiming Switcher can work...

[Oberon]

omg should i hammer so u guys can shut the fuck up and i can catch up

If you hammer a bus driver you're dead tomorrow

[bakermir]

i think martin is operator, frinckles is DH and DM is corrupted assessor

[Oberon]

i think martin is operator, frinckles is DH and DM is corrupted assessor

?????????????????

[Oberon]

how did you come up with those ideas

[Unknown1234]

lmao did I genuinely fuck up that bad?
Fakeclaiming Switcher can work...

You’ve been at L-1 twice in under 10 hours.

[Frinckles]

i think martin is operator, frinckles is DH and DM is corrupted assessor

Holy shit you are making this game too easy baker

[deathworlds]

lmao did I genuinely fuck up that bad?
Fakeclaiming Switcher can work...

I'll entertain any explanation you can give for now since I'm still catching up.

IF: you are town, then what do YOU or the rest of town have to gain by fakeclaiming switcher?

[Unknown1234]

Martin would have 0 reason to fake claim busdriver unless he really wanted Oberon dead.

[MartinGG99]

FrostByte (1 [L-6]):
Unknown1234
Oberon (6 [L-1]):
Frinckles, MattZed, MartinGG99, FrostByte, Renegade, Dark Magician
Unknown1234 (1 [L-6]):
naz
MartinGG99 (2 [L-5]):
Helz, Oberon
Dark Magician (1 [L-6]):
bakermir


this is the second time I can hammer you and I think I should but I can't..

No one knows for 100% sure who their allies are afaik

And if he's switcher

there isn't really anyone to blame or scum-read for hammering imo

when I've been claiming that I'm busdriver and that the Hardclaim-switcher-turned-busdriver-hardclaim likely doesn't exist at all and is 100% scum (namely switcher).

If he SOMEHOW flips busdriver then obviously I'm going to be the one who will have a lot of justified heat on their plate.

[Oberon]

I'll entertain any explanation you can give for now since I'm still catching up.

IF: you are town, then what do YOU or the rest of town have to gain by fakeclaiming switcher?

Getting the Switcher to react.
Baiting an easy lynch onto me from scum.
Those 3 seem pretty good.

People talked about restarting the game due to this (yzb). That could be a scum tell. I swear to God if it's a scum tell (I think it is), I will laugh so fucking hard I will probably drop fucken dead.
Especially if MattZed is also Triad.

[deathworlds]

Mag thinks MattZed is evil for trying to lynch him. He thinks it's me as well because I joined that train (although I meant to fake vote, i never changed it either).

Since mag is not backing down from his claim, I'm going to clarify why I said we had benefits.

There are good and bad situations with this role, im just gonna briefly make a list.

1.) Switcher is lynched day 1, one less evil role for us to lynch.
2.) Switcher takes a triad role night 1. The new switcher now reveals the old switcher as triad, and we lynch the triad and let the switcher take a new role. (This cycle can continue into either lynching the next switcher, lynching the current switcher if it fails, or lynching the new triad if a triad player is chosen again).
3.) The switcher becomes town n1, he tells us who the new switcher is, we lynch the switcher.
4.) The switcher becomes town n1, and he does not tell us who the new switcher is. The cycle continues until someone decides to reveal the switcher, or another triad is found and a lynch on triad occurs.

There are pros and cons to leaving Oberon alive, but at the end of the game hes not on our team. Thought it was worth discussing earlier but I did not want to dissuade the Switcher from revealing if he thought he was going to be lynched by accidentally taking a triad role. I don't really have much thoughts aside from this, and it's possible I missed some scenarios as I'm a bit out of focus right now.

Switcher is scum, so we lynch scum 100% of the time, right?

[Oberon]

Has anyone considered the potential scenario where Mafia claims they were a switcher and then frames someone else as the 'new' Switcher?

[Oberon]

Nvm that's a bullshit idea. Ignore that.

[Oberon]

Getting the Switcher to react.
Baiting an easy lynch onto me from scum.
Those 3 seem pretty good.

People talked about restarting the game due to this (yzb). That could be a scum tell. I swear to God if it's a scum tell (I think it is), I will laugh so fucking hard I will probably drop fucken dead.
Especially if MattZed is also Triad.

This is meant to say 'those two'***

[deathworlds]

Has anyone considered the potential scenario where Mafia claims they were a switcher and then frames someone else as the 'new' Switcher?

Much the more reason to lynch switcher D1 to avoid that scenario

[Renegade]

You probably are.
Voting with your heart is anti-town no matter what role you are, however...

Why isn't Renegade hammering?

I'm already voting you

[Oberon]

Much the more reason to lynch switcher D1 to avoid that scenario

Yeah hence why I fake-claimed to bait the switcher out.
The switcher needs to fucken die.

[naz]

1.) He seemed to encourage switcher discussion while at the same time saying he wanted it to stop. Indication of potential Switcher mindset.

2.) He seemed to be openly buying into Frinckles' bait and sheeping him without much thought (his own words). Finding it hard to decide if what Frinckles did or what Martin did is more buddying/potential teammate hunting. This could be Indicative of being scum.

3.) The way he's been talking feels very forced and scripted. I don't know if this is how he plays but none of it feels genuine.

try hard chut up

[deathworlds]

Yeah hence why I fake-claimed to bait the switcher out.
The switcher needs to fucken die.

"bait the switcher" I don't think switcher has good reason to CC a claim against them?
That's like if someone claimed DH with the hope someone else would be like "NO FUCK YOU I'M DRAGON HEAD, SCUM!!!!"

[MartinGG99]

Yeah hence why I fake-claimed to bait the switcher out.
The switcher needs to fucken die.

Look if I'm switcher then you hardclaimed busdriver in order to bait the switcher out

not hardclaim switcher to bait switcher out lol

[Oberon]

"bait the switcher" I don't think switcher has good reason to CC a claim against them?
That's like if someone claimed DH with the hope someone else would be like "NO FUCK YOU I'M DRAGON HEAD, SCUM!!!!"

No, but you could observe people and watch who reacts and in what way. People reacting in a manner that suggested they didn't believe you were the switcher could be the switcher.

[Renegade]

Claiming switcher to bait switcher MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.

WAKE UP PPL.

[bakermir]

Yeah hence why I fake-claimed to bait the switcher out.
The switcher needs to fucken die.

triad and town feels like town1 vs town2 since both side are uninformed

switcher is the "public enemy" in this setup it seems

[Renegade]

Obe JUMPED into the thread without reading it, starting spouting off nonsense, then claimed his role. It is so obvious.

[Oberon]

Look if I'm switcher then you hardclaimed busdriver in order to bait the switcher out

not hardclaim switcher to bait switcher out lol

Uh, what? I had you on my top 3 list for switcher because you didn't react. I already read you switcher lol
Also, the switcher doesn't actually have to react... it's a gambit, high risk, high reward. I could die but I could also out the switcher (by accident).

[naz]

I don't see any town motivation in Frinckles play. Aside from maybe a very stretched performance trying to read reactions towards him, the fact he openly discussed his own scum-play and said that he was a try-hard (the complete opposite of what hes doing) struck as very scummy to me. I don't like when people try to twist their own meta.

CHUT
UP