S-FM 212: Paired Mafia

[SuperJack]

Orpz is being a Dick and not Explaining the Miller mechanics to try and sway the game off course (again)

[Eggy]

I know for a fact that there is an Executioner and Survivor in this game. In fact, those are the two 3P's.

Refute me.

Protip: you can't

executioner is paired with SK there is no way for an executioner to be in game with a survivor. What are all these people hinting at you say you know for a fact when that doesnt seem possible?

[Eggy]

To push scum further, I don't mind at all. He hasn't lied.
Are you worried?

how do you know he hasnt lied? im not worried at all but im oretty sure prince just claimed sheriff so what info could mattzed possibly have

[SuperJack]

@Quick

Check out my rolecard QT I'm gonna be posting questions since you dont wanna answer them publically.

[Orpz]

Prove it. You can't.

I can.

Also, I'm more curious about what you mean by it's impossible. I checked the setup again and there's literally nothing that says it's impossible. The closest I can find is "something is paired with something" in the Special Mechanics which I can understand might be interpreted as "these roles exist together". I understood it as "These roles share a night chat".

Host, what did you mean by this?

[MiniZed]

Pretty sure this is right, but let me see...

Town:
Duck
Titus
Me
MattZed
SuperJack
ThePrince

Neutral:
FROG
Eggy

Scum:
Yuki
Orpz

There is a method to this madness, and the game seems to be settling out fairly quickly it seems.

[SuperJack]

how do you know he hasnt lied? im not worried at all but im oretty sure prince just claimed sheriff so what info could mattzed possibly have

He has claimed that he has feedback. So far he has not admitted to lying.
If he is caught lying the hammer goes down on him.

Trying to relate to that LaL topic earlier.

[MiniZed]

I can.

Also, I'm more curious about what you mean by it's impossible. I checked the setup again and there's literally nothing that says it's impossible. The closest I can find is "something is paired with something" in the Special Mechanics which I can understand might be interpreted as "these roles exist together". I understood it as "These roles share a night chat".

Host, what did you mean by this?

No. the role that a role is paired with can ONLY exist in a game that the other one is in.

[SuperJack]

I can.

Also, I'm more curious about what you mean by it's impossible. I checked the setup again and there's literally nothing that says it's impossible. The closest I can find is "something is paired with something" in the Special Mechanics which I can understand might be interpreted as "these roles exist together". I understood it as "These roles share a night chat".

Host, what did you mean by this?

Lookout is paired with Enabler. Sheriff is paired with Millar. Doctor is paired with 1HP Townie. 5HP Townie is paired with Actor. Millar will be checked as a 3P that is not in the game. Agent is paired with Consort and Detector is paired with Sacrificer. Executioner is paired with Serial KillerAbductor and Survivor is paired with Malicious Savior. If Serial Killer Abductor recruits someone in the game they win and both parties are taken out of the game. The person recruited can still win with their original team and do not share a win con with the Serial Killer Abductor. for all intents and purposes lets just say Serial Killer Abductor kills the person they recruit.

[Orpz]

So did Host actually clarify or are we all assuming that that's what it means?

[Orpz]

The wording is vague and I've seen pairing used in both contexts.

[MiniZed]

So did Host actually clarify or are we all assuming that that's what it means?

I've asked several questions for clarifications.

[Orpz]

Anyways, I concede it's more likely that it means existence is paired so to not waste time, this post will assume that hypothesis.

Possible 3P's:
Exec/Abductor -- This would have to mean that the Abductor did not target Titus for an easy win (Doctor rolecard only heals Night Kills), so either it does not exist, a Consort roleblocked the Abductor, or Titus lied.

Survivor/Savior -- Contradicts my night action.

Since Titus was not counterclaimed, the most likely option is that Abductor was roleblocked, and the only roleblocking role is Consort.

[SuperJack]

Here is Orpz painting MZ as scummy for not understanding key parts of the setup, and missing day posts.

Daily reminder that MattZed missed one of the most key parts of the setup (Roles are unique) as well as Titus's claim, which was the big event of Day 1.

I can.

Also, I'm more curious about what you mean by it's impossible. I checked the setup again and there's literally nothing that says it's impossible. The closest I can find is "something is paired with something" in the Special Mechanics which I can understand might be interpreted as "these roles exist together". I understood it as "These roles share a night chat".

Host, what did you mean by this?

So did Host actually clarify or are we all assuming that that's what it means?

The wording is vague and I've seen pairing used in both contexts.

Here is Orpz not understanding key parts of the setup, and missing day posts.

@Quick

What does the Pairing mean?


Arguement will be solved, Now we can talk about real shit, instead of fuffing with stupid setup mechanics that are solved with a question.

So Yes, @Titus I'm not happy that you will drag this on. Its nothing but a distraction. You know better.

This should be asked in the game thread or your QT.

Paired mafia is called paired mafia because roles are paired together. Look over the special mechanics in the setup thread to know what roles are paired with what.

Here are the Answers

[Eggy]

Pretty sure this is right, but let me see...

Town:
Duck
Titus
Me
MattZed
SuperJack
ThePrince

Neutral:
FROG
Eggy

Scum:
Yuki
Orpz

There is a method to this madness, and the game seems to be settling out fairly quickly it seems.

im not neutral. List pretty accurate but I would swap mine and your spot

[SuperJack]

Orpz, MZ and Prince all claiming feedback.

Orpz please explain your feedback. Since you are in the shitter atm.

[Eggy]

@Orpz how do you "know for a fact" there is survivor and executioner in this game?

[SuperJack]

@Orpz how do you "know for a fact" there is survivor and executioner in this game?

He is saying he -KNOWS- there is either an Exec/Abductor. Which Contridicts his Night Action (not feedback)

[Eggy]

Orpz, MZ and Prince all claiming feedback.

Orpz please explain your feedback. Since you are in the shitter atm.

this is impossible unless one of them is lying including titus. If titus is telling the truth there is a doctor as positive town utility. And if prince is telling the truth the last posistive is a sheriff which is himself. That means 2 of these people are lying. Or maybe mattzed is doctor has a bit if info but cant really be that useful. And there is no way for to know there is exec and survivor

[SuperJack]

He is saying he -KNOWS- there is either an Exec/Abductor. Which matches his Night Action (not feedback)

Matches* not contradicts

[Eggy]

He is saying he -KNOWS- there is either an Exec/Abductor. Which Contridicts his Night Action (not feedback)

he said he knows for sure there is an exec and survivor which is inpossible

[MiniZed]

im not neutral. List pretty accurate but I would swap mine and your spot

I might swap you and Duck depending on roles. I'm still waiting for all this shit info.

[Eggy]

Matches* not contradicts

how does it match his night action? how do you know his night action?

[SuperJack]

@Orpz

Reveal your Information. ASAP.

Anyone online. Vote him and Mention him until he does.

[Eggy]

I might swap you and Duck depending on roles. I'm still waiting for all this shit info.

duck is either mafia or town I dont see him being neutral

[SuperJack]

Anyways, I concede it's more likely that it means existence is paired so to not waste time, this post will assume that hypothesis.

Possible 3P's:
Exec/Abductor -- This would have to mean that the Abductor did not target Titus for an easy win (Doctor rolecard only heals Night Kills), so either it does not exist, a Consort roleblocked the Abductor, or Titus lied.

Survivor/Savior -- Contradicts my night action.

Since Titus was not counterclaimed, the most likely option is that Abductor was roleblocked, and the only roleblocking role is Consort.

Orp's claims he has used a night action here. This claim means that he is 1) A power role, 2) Confirms the existence of Exec/Abductor

[MattZed]

Orpz and SJ prob town

Happy voting between MattZedd / Prince with a heavy nod to MZ

Are my posts not going through? Fuck it

Lynch Matt Zedd - confirmed scum ez

@Frog , are you going to actually play this game, or belly up? Your call.

[SuperJack]

Note that he said ACTION and not FEEDBACK

[MiniZed]

duck is either mafia or town I dont see him being neutral

I'm not arguing with you. Only way your theory is plausible is if Yuki flips neutral. Not really the point though.

[MattZed]

Note that he said ACTION and not FEEDBACK

@Orpz , please explain why you simultaneously claim to have a night action (IE: be a role that is paired) and believe that paired roles share night chats.

[Orpz]

Since I think Superjack could use a bit of humbling, I'm a [Malicious Savior] Millar. The "night action" I was referring to is actually just the fact that my role itself tell me there's no such Malicious Savior.

[Orpz]

Millers are probably the best role in the game.

Oh, and also I thought it was Exec/Survivor since Serial Killer not Abducting Titus is stupid and I know there wasn't a Malicious Savior. The fallacious reasoning comes from the fact that I interpreted the special mechanics incorrectly.

[MiniZed]

Since I think Superjack could use a bit of humbling, I'm a [Malicious Savior] Millar. The "night action" I was referring to is actually just the fact that my role itself tell me there's no such Malicious Savior.

..

[MattZed]

Since I think Superjack could use a bit of humbling, I'm a [Malicious Savior] Millar. The "night action" I was referring to is actually just the fact that my role itself tell me there's no such Malicious Savior.

And you characterize this as a "night action" because...?

[SuperJack]

Since I think Superjack could use a bit of humbling, I'm a [Malicious Savior] Millar. The "night action" I was referring to is actually just the fact that my role itself tell me there's no such Malicious Savior.

So whats all this about not understanding how pairing works?

[Orpz]

And you characterize this as a "night action" because...?

Should I have said "Oh I know this because of the way my role is designed BUT DUDE LMAO IM TOTALLY NOT ROLE CLAIMING"?

[MattZed]

@ThePrince , @Frog , @SuperJack , everyone okay with Orpz being the negative utility?

If a survivor exists, they should CC Orpz now. Your wincon is essentially to win with town, and Orpz could well be the Malicious Savior if you exist.

[MiniZed]

-unvote

Prince and Matt, feedback and roles.

[Orpz]

So whats all this about not understanding how pairing works?

It's a shame that Executioners can't turn into Jesters, huh? Any Executioner could only win through a lynch...ouch. I can see Quick trying to help the role out by giving him a Miller as a target. Makes for an easier lynch.

Don't you agree, Superjack?

[Titus]

What do you think about Mattzed admitting he has information, but has not released it straight away.
Also, why so little effort?

Because I already caught scum and they know it. Plus rl.

Delayed info blah blah bullshit. Day to short for that crap from town.

[MiniZed]

How does SURVIVOR CC Orpz exactly?

[MattZed]

How does SURVIVOR CC Orpz exactly?

Survivor cannot exist in a setup with a Malicious Savior Millar.

[Orpz]

@ThePrince , @Frog , @SuperJack , everyone okay with Orpz being the negative utility?

If a survivor exists, they should CC Orpz now. Your wincon is essentially to win with town, and Orpz could well be the Malicious Savior if you exist.

I claimed earlier that Millar was the best role in the game.

This is why:
-Strongest Negative Utility role
-Confirms the neutral roles at the start of the game
-3 HP uncucked

[Orpz]

Because I already caught scum and they know it. Plus rl.

Delayed info blah blah bullshit. Day to short for that crap from town.

What do you think happened with the Abductor?

[Eggy]

@Orpz , please explain why you simultaneously claim to have a night action (IE: be a role that is paired) and believe that paired roles share night chats.

yea wtf is he talking about??

[MiniZed]

Survivor cannot exist in a setup with a Malicious Savior Millar.

Isn't he claiming a town role? You've lost me.

[Titus]

nvm, found it. 1 HP cit. Hmm, I'll give her credit for not being counterclaimed as the negative utility in D1. An annoying mechanical clear, but I'll leave it for now.

If someone other than Titus is the negative utility in Group 1, let's hear a counterclaim.
@Titus , if you're really town, work on your slot's goddamned town play this game. Alternating posts between "omg this guy scum eat rope" and flagrant misreps gets us nowhere. The fact your train got as big as it did says something about how suspicious you were getting. You've been an FM MVP before, and if you're town I expect a lot more from your slot going forward. Please don't pull a Tracer.

Yeah, you're still scum and you should stop calling true statements and misunderstandings misreps.

[Orpz]

I just want you to know, If I am alive tomorrow, I am going to lynch the fuck out of you. (No omguserino plz)

Daily reminder that Duckk has yet to put his sizable amount of money where his mouth is.

[Orpz]

yea wtf is he talking about??

It was a fake claim. I don't actually have a night action.

[MiniZed]

@ThePrince please return this is the worst time to leave.