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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    if you didn't know, you can check the bottom of the page to see who's viewing the thread.

    pqrnhack isn't "lurking," at least based on my definition of "lurking," which is when a player views the thread without actually contributing. pqrnhack has been straight up afk. i haven't seen her viewing the thread for a while
    Yeah I learned of that mechanic in an earlier game. Good thing there's incognito mode.

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    You just posted a reads list where you townread Varcron.
    -vote WrathCyber
    Fact check-checking Ozy here, checks out.

    Wraith posted his list with Varcron as townish at minute :37. Also added "Agree with Vacron [sic]" for Scum being in the AFK Lurker gang. Unvoted LagAttack and voted Varcron at minute :45. That does seem a bit sus. Around that time, it looks like Wrath got a bit defensive towards Varcron asking Wrath for his reads as well as towards LagAttack for challenging Wrath's Oberon read.

    At minute :48 to LagAttack: "Unlike you and Vacron who are actively manipulating this thread by using preconceived opinions about a specific player as a reason for placing them as town or scum."

    And :56 to LagAttack: "Interesting take, but I'd trust my sense on this one that Varcron is likely shadow."

    Quite a 180 in the span of 20 minutes

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  8. ISO #608

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    i may be reading too much into pqrnhack's recent posts, but i get the feeling she's acting like she's not paying attention while trying to get me on her good side. because a wagon is developing on her

    this is kind of a shitty vote, but i'm just gonna follow my townreads here and

    -vote PQrnhack


    pls note that atm i'd rather lynch wrath

  9. ISO #609

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by CRichardForumLies View Post
    I'm not liking PQR's explanation for how they've approached D1 so far.
    Not to mention there is no reason to claim roles as scum are watching so they can PR hunt.
    I did not suggest to do so. I said that unless there is some crazy mad move made by Scum D1, it seems unlikely for me that a pro would slip up, so I expect majority of this D1 genius analysis here to be speculation that's not much better than a random lynch. However, a newbie Shadow could possibly slip up, but then I might be biased to vote a newer player if restricting my voting pool only to those. ANyway, the day is still young.

  10. ISO #610

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I did not suggest to do so. I said that unless there is some crazy mad move made by Scum D1, it seems unlikely for me that a pro would slip up, so I expect majority of this D1 genius analysis here to be speculation that's not much better than a random lynch. However, a newbie Shadow could possibly slip up, but then I might be biased to vote a newer player if restricting my voting pool only to those. ANyway, the day is still young.
    Ok sure you aren't suggesting role claiming this early. Though D1 can still be used to make reads based on associations.
    D1 isn't a useless especially when there is D1 execution.
    Anyway I have to go to bed soon.
    In the unlikely world you are village, I hope you can prove yourself as such.

  11. ISO #611

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by CRichardForumLies View Post
    I'll be laughing so hard if this turns out to be a legit scum tell.
    It's not. In an earlier game, someone listed out all players online in the thread right before a day's end. I think that mechanic is cheesy. My PC is on 24/7 anyway, I could just exit Incongito mode and put an auto-refresher on But then OMG my name will appear on the Lurker list 24/7.

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Okay, so I decided not to random anyone, I don't know how y'all could find conclusive evidence that "this person" or "that" is evil while we are still at day 1.

    So uhh.. for now, I won't participate in a random day 1 vote and I'll let night action results do the talking. (or I shouldn't play this like in arcade?). But @theoneceko has my vote if needed in the ff days. Nothing to contribute atm. I'm just here to maximize my post if ever I was killed n1.

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I don't think Templar should claim. Lynching him would just result in a jester kill against one of us. We should instead try to level him up and have him as a survivor that helps until we can make him win by leveling him up again, but without him being revealed because that doesn't help town. I wouldn't spare a Templar claim, though.
    Doesn't Templar as Survivor (lvl 2) only win with the Shadows (or solo at level 3)? Could always conspire to have the 7 villagers' voting numbers on Templar (to protect TPR) but I don't think we know who Templar is.

  18. ISO #618

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    can someone please answer this question because I still don't understand
    is this the Darkness asking?

    Each faction's leader is able to level-up another player (and Darkness can level-down town players or kill level-0 Villagers).

    https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...ast-Hope-(14P)

    Elemental Magus (Utility) (LVL 3)
    You are a unique role. You cannot be downgraded to a lower level.
    Each day, target someone to level them up (you keep this power even when you choose an element).
    During each night, choose one of your form and use their power (you cannot choose twice the same form) :

    Darkness (Kill, Roleblock, Utility) (LVL 3) :
    Target a player at night, if this player is a Shadow or a Templar, you level them up.
    If your target is a Hero(LVL1+), you level them down.
    If your target is a Villager (LVL0), you kill them.
    If your target is the Magus or yourself, you roleblock them.
    You are a unique role, and stuck at the level 3.
    You have a one-time weapon that can only kill the Magus. (this weapon can be used along your other night action, and when used, cannot be inherit to the following Darknesses)
    If you die, another Shadow member will become the new Darkness (decided by RNG) AND will keep their previous power. (Upon being investigated they would appear as their original role, though)

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    is this the Darkness asking?

    Each faction's leader is able to level-up another player (and Darkness can level-down town players or kill level-0 Villagers).

    https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...ast-Hope-(14P)

    Elemental Magus (Utility) (LVL 3)
    You are a unique role. You cannot be downgraded to a lower level.
    Each day, target someone to level them up (you keep this power even when you choose an element).
    During each night, choose one of your form and use their power (you cannot choose twice the same form) :

    Darkness (Kill, Roleblock, Utility) (LVL 3) :
    Target a player at night, if this player is a Shadow or a Templar, you level them up.
    If your target is a Hero(LVL1+), you level them down.
    If your target is a Villager (LVL0), you kill them.
    If your target is the Magus or yourself, you roleblock them.
    You are a unique role, and stuck at the level 3.
    You have a one-time weapon that can only kill the Magus. (this weapon can be used along your other night action, and when used, cannot be inherit to the following Darknesses)
    If you die, another Shadow member will become the new Darkness (decided by RNG) AND will keep their previous power. (Upon being investigated they would appear as their original role, though)
    thanks, and I knew someone was going to make that be about my role (lol)

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    can someone please answer this question because I still don't understand
    Check the signup page, Auwt explained it there.
    Or read the role cards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    varcron and wrathcyber are nowhere near as bad as people make them out to be, pornhack and lagattack are much better lynches, ceko too
    I hate you as Jester.
    Varcron is always scummy, and that's why I read him earlier as could be anything. However #358(first part) was just pure wolf/wolf slip. Which just happened to be the most scummy slot in the game.

    Nothing caught your attention in all 600+ posts? You only can provide generalized comments or bullshit "reads" such as this? Sure sure..

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I did not suggest to do so. I said that unless there is some crazy mad move made by Scum D1, it seems unlikely for me that a pro would slip up, so I expect majority of this D1 genius analysis here to be speculation that's not much better than a random lynch. However, a newbie Shadow could possibly slip up, but then I might be biased to vote a newer player if restricting my voting pool only to those. ANyway, the day is still young.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuesford View Post
    Okay, so I decided not to random anyone, I don't know how y'all could find conclusive evidence that "this person" or "that" is evil while we are still at day 1.

    So uhh.. for now, I won't participate in a random day 1 vote and I'll let night action results do the talking. (or I shouldn't play this like in arcade?). But @theoneceko has my vote if needed in the ff days. Nothing to contribute atm. I'm just here to maximize my post if ever I was killed n1.
    @PQRnHack
    @Yuesford
    Imagine we lynching a town today - how would Day 2 be any different from Day 1?
    Perhaps we should never play FM? Perhaps we should just join the game and wait for a sheriff or something to find the scum for us?

    Like how do you plan to win games?

  27. ISO #627

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    wrath and varcron are among the only people making any sense dude... everyone else is playing 3D chess and concocting crazy reads

    pornhack and lag attack should be the Lynch today 100%. both for sheeping. im not solid on lag attack but pornhack seems like a pretty good alternative, with maybe yuesford as well cuz he feels like mafia metawise

  28. ISO #628

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    idk why you're so tunnelled on me being jester, your reasons don't even make sense and are in fact self-contradictory, I already claimed I'm not jester, and then you jumped to me being mafia pretending to be jester, which is literally you admitting im not jester lol

  29. ISO #629

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Good morning. Glad I read 4 pages of everyone's takes and reads. Everything seems plausible atm, I do think we should leave our reads open-ended instead of concrete. Tunneling on players specifically and locking does not help our chances of winning especially. Seems to me as though we still need to wait for the lurkers/afkers who have not joined in order to gain a better read.

  30. ISO #630

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    idk why you're so tunnelled on me being jester, your reasons don't even make sense and are in fact self-contradictory, I already claimed I'm not jester, and then you jumped to me being mafia pretending to be jester, which is literally you admitting im not jester lol
    What are you talking about?
    Presumably you're referring to me referring to your meta?
    IRT Oberon,
    I would kinda value MM's and blink's opinions on him over my own, but meta-wise he's towny imo. To be more exact, it's he's meta where he tries to play his scum meta as town; based on the apathy + the held back tantrum.
    "Trying to play his scum meta as town" =/= mafia pretending to be jester.
    Are you referring to something else?
    Are you on drugs? Because you keep hallucinating stuff.

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    @OzyWho

    Uhh cos there are 10 towns and 3 evils. If we initiated a random lynch, there's a 70% chance of it flipping town. Day 2 is highly different from Day 1 cos we already gathered some evidences that may help us pin down the evil roles. In my opinion, day 1 random lynching favors evil roles.

    Also, this game has no trials right? Just a majority votes needed and lynchin can be done.

  34. ISO #634

  35. ISO #635

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    pornhack and lag attack should be the Lynch today 100%. both for sheeping.
    By sheeping, I assume it means following others rather than establishing own foundations? Day is not even halfway over, I have plenty of time to make my own decision tomorrow (my calendar tomorrow). From my prior couple games, my thoughts are likely to be flawed anyway, so I am not going to make a rash judgment early on. And I have not jumped on any vote wagon by copying/following others.

    I do find it suspect that you magically decided to call me out earlier "PORNHACK is also a good scum candidate for being a sheep tbh" while I was sleeping at a time when other folks were heavily discussing Wrath. I don't want to "sheep" others' thoughts that Wrath+Oberon could be a team, but you make it easier for me to start thinking so.

    and "100%" that Lag or I should be the lynch today? So you want to lynch Village members?

  36. ISO #636

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Personally if i was the templar i probably wouldn't reveal day 1 since that would just eliminate all the fun of playing this game, right?

    There is no glory in winning a game on day 1 simply by claiming your role and getting insta lynched. (i realise this post looks scummy and everyone will use it against me, but im just being realistic about our chances of getting a day 1 templar lynch)

  37. ISO #637

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Numbertwo View Post
    Personally if i was the templar i probably wouldn't reveal day 1 since that would just eliminate all the fun of playing this game, right?

    There is no glory in winning a game on day 1 simply by claiming your role and getting insta lynched. (i realise this post looks scummy and everyone will use it against me, but im just being realistic about our chances of getting a day 1 templar lynch)
    Not scummy imho. On this topic, scummier was MM with his "Templar revealing himself is bad for town".

  38. ISO #638

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Numbertwo View Post
    Personally if i was the templar i probably wouldn't reveal day 1 since that would just eliminate all the fun of playing this game, right?

    There is no glory in winning a game on day 1 simply by claiming your role and getting insta lynched. (i realise this post looks scummy and everyone will use it against me, but im just being realistic about our chances of getting a day 1 templar lynch)
    From reading the setup, the templar's win con seems to be very easy, I don't think there's much glory to be gained from that role

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    i swear at some point during this game we already found scum from one of the ppl that actually posted.

    i've noticed a trend of games being solved day 1; in last game, frinckles found both scum on day 1. i played one where scum!wisp was lynched day 1, then on day 2 town won when oberon, who was the last scum, forfeited. i also played one with bruno where he basically called out three scum on day 1...

    i re-read wrath's iso. sorry crichard, but i heavily disagree with ur townread on him. even though it can be argued that the interactions between wrath and oberon were town v town, pretty much every other post he makes just looks scummy lol
    Games get a lot easier when you can find townies and put wolves in boxes.
    (๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ 레드벨벳 ! ! ٩(♡ε♡ )۶

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Given that we have Last Will's, I think that's the more reason to keep the Town Powers alive for as long as possible.
    Hence I suggest any Town Powers able of killing to never do it. Leave the necessity of killing off the PR's in the hands of the Shadows.
    1) This would mean that that the Shadows can never get their Terrible Prophet (kill).
    2) The only remaining killing roles for them would be:
    leveling down (can't kill a PR); Necromancer (can't use if no PR's are dead); the Impersonator (earliest kill is Night 4).

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Given that we have Last Will's, I think that's the more reason to keep the Town Powers alive for as long as possible.
    Hence I suggest any Town Powers able of killing to never do it. Leave the necessity of killing off the PR's in the hands of the Shadows.
    1) This would mean that that the Shadows can never get their Terrible Prophet (kill).
    2) The only remaining killing roles for them would be:
    leveling down (can't kill a PR); Necromancer (can't use if no PR's are dead); the Impersonator (earliest kill is Night 4).
    I agree with this. The heroes/magus should avoid TK as long as possible (unless drastic measures) and should mainly engage in lynching. Especially if Templar is lv2 where they are immune to being killed.

  47. ISO #647

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    i swear at some point during this game we already found scum from one of the ppl that actually posted.

    i've noticed a trend of games being solved day 1; in last game, frinckles found both scum on day 1. i played one where scum!wisp was lynched day 1, then on day 2 town won when oberon, who was the last scum, forfeited. i also played one with bruno where he basically called out three scum on day 1...

    i re-read wrath's iso. sorry crichard, but i heavily disagree with ur townread on him. even though it can be argued that the interactions between wrath and oberon were town v town, pretty much every other post he makes just looks scummy lol
    As much as I would like to agree with you in the scumread on Wrath, I think Richard has a point where Wrath would just be incriminating himself from hardcore defending Oberon if Oberon flipped scum.

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    wrath and varcron are among the only people making any sense dude... everyone else is playing 3D chess and concocting crazy reads

    pornhack and lag attack should be the Lynch today 100%. both for sheeping. im not solid on lag attack but pornhack seems like a pretty good alternative, with maybe yuesford as well cuz he feels like mafia metawise
    Can you explain your POV on LagAttack? I'm pretty sure you've played with PQ before but I'm curious what drives you to think that Lag is scum.

  50. ISO #650

    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuesford View Post
    Okay, so I decided not to random anyone, I don't know how y'all could find conclusive evidence that "this person" or "that" is evil while we are still at day 1.

    So uhh.. for now, I won't participate in a random day 1 vote and I'll let night action results do the talking. (or I shouldn't play this like in arcade?). But @theoneceko has my vote if needed in the ff days. Nothing to contribute atm. I'm just here to maximize my post if ever I was killed n1.
    ur a good mod player, so u can be good at fm too xD

    if this is too overwhelming for u, u could sign up for the 6-player "lazy" setup; it's a lot easier to play than this setup

 

 

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