S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

[Stealthbomber16]

MM + SB16 are outed w/w

I didn’t know we were celebrating Trash Take Thursday

[Loldebite]

look we just found smth out (pqrn and me)
medic has to be town: otherwise theres no sense in their role power
judge+ governor are probably town: they didnt do anything n1. scum would have used their power for their goals
so if theres 2 scum power roles for balance
scum is: mayor(rene) and anonymous State attorney who placed a vote on lag

As for the medic : that assumption is what doomed town in 334, as it was the sole basis for Light's blind trust of Mike. So that is a completely false.
As for Judge/Gov : scum trying to look towny would also not use their power, WIFOM, so here again nothing conclusive. Despite my trolly claims about paopan.
As for state attorney : the vote on D1's counter-wagon is not inherently scummy, it could very well have been made by town.

Your ideas are becoming worse by the hour.

nonono you dont understand
2 power roles havbent done anything
if one of them was scum perforiming NK
then the other one was town, or he could have done his role power

Nothing other than your perception of balance points towards 2 PRs. Why not 1 PR + congressman + a voter (mafiosi) ? Since the PRs are shit for town until a scum is outted, that doesnt sound impossible to me.

[oliverz144]

MM + SB16 are outed w/w

elaborate

[Stealthbomber16]

but porn is conf cmen??

Yes and?

I stated like on my 3rd post day 1 that I expect one of the congressman to be scum. PQ is claiming congressman and is one of my top scumreads. This fits perfectly.

[Loldebite]

Yeah that would be the only scenario. Mayor + PR. At this point it would have to be Mayor + attorney if it’s 2 scum.

If lag flips green I’m going straight for you. No hard feelings!

Why attorney and not Governor ? Removing a vote from town is arguably even better than adding 1 vote

[PQRnHack]

MM + SB16 are outed w/w

wait wot? MM is like open(wolfing?) here, unless he is doing the too wolfy to be a wolf thing, I dont see him as a wolf.

[Stealthbomber16]

Why attorney and not Governor ? Removing a vote from town is arguably even better than adding 1 vote

Because of the way voting patterns have panned out today. Renegade is still actively trying to get Lag lynched. Because there’s already an extra vote there, maybe? Probably not but I don’t want to play into that possibility.

[PQRnHack]

As for the medic : that assumption is what doomed town in 334, as it was the sole basis for Light's blind trust of Mike. So that is a completely false.

To be fair, that game had a vigilante so scum~medic was useful. In this one, while possible, scum~medic is useless but i would totally consider doing it as host to mess with the town!

[Stealthbomber16]

Why attorney and not Governor ? Removing a vote from town is arguably even better than adding 1 vote

Scum team with an extra 2 votes is just a really interesting concept and it makes it really easy to get a ML with proper planning

[oliverz144]

Yes and?

I stated like on my 3rd post day 1 that I expect one of the congressman to be scum. PQ is claiming congressman and is one of my top scumreads. This fits perfectly.

you were talking bout power roles
not cmen

[Stealthbomber16]

but porn is conf cmen??

Off topic but this guy literally just posted “porn is confirmed semen” and nobody noticed

[Lumi]

I didn’t know we were celebrating Trash Take Thursday

lmao okay

You + MM are the main proponents of pushing people that voted for Frinckles yesterday. Now sit back and think about, why would someone make those pushes?

Is it because they genuinely believe that wolves just went out of their way to save me? Or is it because they see the opportunity for one, two, maybe even three easy MLs?

I refuse to believe that the wolves went out of their way just to save me over Frinckles. If that's the case, then I'm hard-pocketed. There's maybe one wolf on my wagon, but that's it.

And then I see you + MM pushing these wagons like PQ and me, seems like you want to ML someone off of my wagon and then be like "oh, maybe that one was a miss, let's just push Lag instead to see if day 1 wagons actually were t/t?" Like this game state is just operating on bad wagonomics.


The wolves are the ones that sat back yesterday and watched town implode and are now focusing the entire gamestate around the day 1 Frinckles wagon. You + MM fit that description

[Loldebite]

To be fair, that game had a vigilante so scum~medic was useful. In this one, while possible, scum~medic is useless but i would totally consider doing it as host to mess with the town!

Mike was a scum sheriff.

[Stealthbomber16]

you were talking bout power roles
not cmen

This is actually kind of interesting.

I would assume always that the host would put one scum congressman in the chat. I think that any host would do that. So if you approach the chat as though it's like a final 3 scenario, ie, there is one imposter among us, I don't see why it would be a bad thing. Creating further information disadvantage for town is never something that benefits the town.

Please don’t misquote me. It makes you look bad.

[PQRnHack]

Off topic but this guy literally just posted “porn is confirmed semen” and nobody noticed

LOL nice way to make me go from *facepalm* to *Z*

[PQRnHack]

Mike was a scum sheriff.

Yo, come on now. That game had 13 unique roles, so naturally some of them landed in mafia via RNG. This game has roles assigned by Host with INTENT.

[Lumi]

wait wot? MM is like open(wolfing?) here, unless he is doing the too wolfy to be a wolf thing, I dont see him as a wolf.

MM is the main person pushing you, FMPOV, you have no reason to try to save me over Frinckles on day 1, so you're just >>rand town. MM and SB16 are focusing the gamestate around the people that voted for Frinckles yesterday as a way to shield anyone that was off wagon and score one, probably two easy mis-chops.

Once you realize that fact, re-read MM's posts and notice where the majority of his attention lies. It's a TMI slip.

[Loldebite]

lmao okay

You + MM are the main proponents of pushing people that voted for Frinckles yesterday. Now sit back and think about, why would someone make those pushes?

Is it because they genuinely believe that wolves just went out of their way to save me? Or is it because they see the opportunity for one, two, maybe even three easy MLs?

I refuse to believe that the wolves went out of their way just to save me over Frinckles. If that's the case, then I'm hard-pocketed. There's maybe one wolf on my wagon, but that's it.

And then I see you + MM pushing these wagons like PQ and me, seems like you want to ML someone off of my wagon and then be like "oh, maybe that one was a miss, let's just push Lag instead to see if day 1 wagons actually were t/t?" Like this game state is just operating on bad wagonomics.


The wolves are the ones that sat back yesterday and watched town implode and are now focusing the entire gamestate around the day 1 Frinckles wagon. You + MM fit that description

I've said it before but i'll say it again : the leading train before you & frinckles got voted, even a few hours only before EoD, was PQR. That is the train that got extinguished. Those that actually were there around EoD should be able to confirm that.

[Loldebite]

Yo, come on now. That game had 13 unique roles, so naturally some of them landed in mafia via RNG. This game has roles assigned by Host with INTENT.

Please...

[Renegade]

Of course while I wrote this Lag shows up and says something stupid and Renegade fucks off

I haven't fucked off. I'm here. I'm working so not checking the thread constantly and have a call at 12:30 I'm prepping for :eyeroll:

[Lumi]

I've said it before but i'll say it again : the leading train before you & frinckles got voted, even a few hours only before EoD, was PQR. That is the train that got extinguished. Those that actually were there around EoD should be able to confirm that.

Who extinguished the train?

[Lumi]

Of course while I wrote this Lag shows up and says something stupid and Renegade fucks off

Wolves love to discredit my reads. FM-Last Hope anyone?

[Renegade]

Because of the way voting patterns have panned out today. Renegade is still actively trying to get Lag lynched. Because there’s already an extra vote there, maybe? Probably not but I don’t want to play into that possibility.

I buy into the theory that the SA is scum and the Lag vote is a misdirection.

[PQRnHack]

MM is the main person pushing you, FMPOV, you have no reason to try to save me over Frinckles on day 1, so you're just >>rand town. MM and SB16 are focusing the gamestate around the people that voted for Frinckles yesterday as a way to shield anyone that was off wagon and score one, probably two easy mis-chops.

Once you realize that fact, re-read MM's posts and notice where the majority of his attention lies. It's a TMI slip.

In the event that you are correct, I will add that oliver specifically asked me in C-chat that MM is not to be lynched today, asked if i agreed. Just adding this here in case becomes relevant. It is hard for me to consider voting oliver now, when he unvoted me quick, but I am vulnerable to pocketing at the moment with all the pushes on me. It could be a little suspect how quickly oliver said he trusts me now, but I dont want to read too much into it seeing as I am indeed town.

[Loldebite]

Who extinguished the train?

Renegade, with a post i have already quoted :

I'd rather see Frinkles go over PQ

[Stealthbomber16]

MM is the main person pushing you, FMPOV, you have no reason to try to save me over Frinckles on day 1, so you're just >>rand town. MM and SB16 are focusing the gamestate around the people that voted for Frinckles yesterday as a way to shield anyone that was off wagon and score one, probably two easy mis-chops.

Once you realize that fact, re-read MM's posts and notice where the majority of his attention lies. It's a TMI slip.

You can absolutely analyze today’s game state in a vacuum and come to the conclusion that PQ is scum. I did. He wasn’t even my choice for scum until halfway through today. His actions just reflect poorly on you from the day 1 voting analysis.

You’ve alluded to my analysis twice now by talking about the Frinckles train but you have not yet actually responded to it when you were the one who requested it. That’s weak, dude.

New question, if MM is scum why wouldn’t he just push you today? Why bother with the PQ stuff. It seems much easier to fabricate a train on you and use the vote that is already there and the remnants from the D1 train.

[Lumi]

-vote oliverz144

oliver is wolf

@oliverz144

[Stealthbomber16]

I haven't fucked off. I'm here. I'm working so not checking the thread constantly and have a call at 12:30 I'm prepping for :eyeroll:

You’re fine. I misspoke. My implication was “fucked off the wagon”.

That’s my bad. Carry on.

[PQRnHack]

-vote oliverz144

oliver is wolf

@oliverz144

reasoning?

[Stealthbomber16]

Like let me clarify this: I scumread PQ and Lag individually and independently. They also are just correlated in a way that it makes sense for them to be scum together.

I’m starting to maybe understand Lag’s thought process here, so I’m hesitant to keep moving forward. PQ is a much more solid train that I think is the correct way of moving forward today.

[Loldebite]

Renegade, with a post i have already quoted :

I should add that voss did the same at the same time :

I'd vote for Lag or Oliverz over PQR.

[Lumi]

You can absolutely analyze today’s game state in a vacuum and come to the conclusion that PQ is scum. I did. He wasn’t even my choice for scum until halfway through today. His actions just reflect poorly on you from the day 1 voting analysis.

You’ve alluded to my analysis twice now by talking about the Frinckles train but you have not yet actually responded to it when you were the one who requested it. That’s weak, dude.

New question, if MM is scum why wouldn’t he just push you today? Why bother with the PQ stuff. It seems much easier to fabricate a train on you and use the vote that is already there and the remnants from the D1 train.

Because if he pushes me today then after I flip it exonerates everyone that voted Frinckles because it was t/t wagons while it also incriminates people that voted off wagon. So to get an ML and protect his team, he's saving me for later.

He also has just been kind of weird around my slot in general - saying he expects the epitome of towniness when he fully knows that I have other commitments during this game. Setting high expectations is a classic wolf strategy for scum painting.

And finally, he knows it'd be a bitch to actually get me to go over if I'm online to fight it, so he goes for an easier target first that grants wolves better chances anyway.

[PQRnHack]

Like let me clarify this: I scumread PQ and Lag individually and independently. They also are just correlated in a way that it makes sense for them to be scum together.

I’m starting to maybe understand Lag’s thought process here, so I’m hesitant to keep moving forward. PQ is a much more solid train that I think is the correct way of moving forward today.

That's great and all, but I am town!

[oliverz144]

In the event that you are correct, I will add that oliver specifically asked me in C-chat that MM is not to be lynched today, asked if i agreed. Just adding this here in case becomes relevant. It is hard for me to consider voting oliver now, when he unvoted me quick, but I am vulnerable to pocketing at the moment with all the pushes on me. It could be a little suspect how quickly oliver said he trusts me now, but I dont want to read too much into it seeing as I am indeed town.

ok ok ok
mm can be lynched
he just pocketed me
and i think that there are better targets (or maybe not? idk day is long)

[Stealthbomber16]

Like let me clarify this: I scumread PQ and Lag individually and independently. They also are just correlated in a way that it makes sense for them to be scum together.

I’m starting to maybe understand Lag’s thought process here, so I’m hesitant to keep moving forward. PQ is a much more solid train that I think is the correct way of moving forward today.

Additional clarity: I think lag’s thoughts here are stupid, poopy, and/or dumb, but I can kind of see how he got them? See: SJ in Bisected Souls, except with way less benefit of the doubt

[oliverz144]

-vote oliverz144

oliver is wolf

@oliverz144

elaborate?

[Lumi]

ok ok ok
mm can be lynched
he just pocketed me
and i think that there are better targets (or maybe not? idk day is long)

oliver, did you see my other post, I outed you as a wolf

[PQRnHack]

oliver, did you see my other post, I outed you as a wolf

Have to say, I must be missing something. I dont get it. Oliver was in your town-read list yesterday. And he was on-wagon, not off-wagon. So how is he a wolf?

[Stealthbomber16]

My EoD presence today will be very spotty at best. I have plans for the next few hours.

[oliverz144]

oliver, did you see my other post, I outed you as a wolf

no i didnt see anythinhg

[Lumi]

elaborate?

If you're not wolf, then who is?

[oliverz144]

If you're not wolf, then who is?

umm
good question
i heard thats the main question of this game
atleast when you are town...

[Loldebite]

My EoD presence today will be very spotty at best. I have plans for the next few hours.

doesnt the day end in 28h ?

[oliverz144]

doesnt the day end in 28h ?

yeah it does

[Renegade]

My EoD presence today will be very spotty at best. I have plans for the next few hours.

Day doesn't end until Friday at 4PM est, right?

[Stealthbomber16]

doesnt the day end in 28h ?

It does? Never mind then.

[Lumi]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Nevermind with that oliver vote, I was trying to see if he'd have a townie overreaction like he did in the Bisected Souls game, was a pretty weak reaction test, but never hurts to try.

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled programming

[oliverz144]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Nevermind with that oliver vote, I was trying to see if he'd have a townie overreaction like he did in the Bisected Souls game, was a pretty weak reaction test, but never hurts to try.

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled programming

you...

[PQRnHack]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Nevermind with that oliver vote, I was trying to see if he'd have a townie overreaction like he did in the Bisected Souls game, was a pretty weak reaction test, but never hurts to try.

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled programming

You know that if I join you in this vote, then I will get hammered, right?

[Lumi]

If you flip town, my plan is to be surprised and to keep analyzing the Frinckles wagon :P.

Even more evidence, setting up the gameplan to flip PQ green for a ML, and then keep putting pressure on the Frinckles wagons to milk as many mis-chops as possible from it