S-FM 218: Mafia Wars III

[Elephant]

You obviously.

[Cancer]

To be fair, if you are going to call out one person you should be prepared to call out everyone. Yuki has done that exact same thing several time.

Problem I have is that everyone is happy to point the finger at Yuki, and not the other players that have contributed the same level of stuff.

[Okabe]

To be fair, if you are going to call out one person you should be prepared to call out everyone. Yuki has done that exact same thing several time.

I havent seen yuki make any direct, serious indictments? Granted I did just read through like 20+ pages.

Yuki's still being yuki atm.

[Yukitaka Oni]

You know what deathworld? Maybe i should spam lynch cancer! That would be a great idea for me to be a town! Right?










(If deathworld is a scum-buddy with Firebringer. I'll say he fked up himself so......good(bad, real bad)

[Yukitaka Oni]

Problem I have is that everyone is happy to point the finger at Yuki, and not the other players that have contributed the same level of stuff.

Point at Firebringer spam lynch cancer post

[Elephant]

Problem I have is that everyone is happy to point the finger at Yuki, and not the other players that have contributed the same level of stuff.

I think I've focused most people, except for Gyrlander to a degree.

In this specific example, Yuki has said this game a couple times that he has many reasons to vote someone, but doesn't follow through on this (direct example would be towards Firebringer).

[Okabe]

I think I've focused most people, except for Gyrlander to a degree.

In this specific example, Yuki has said this game a couple times that he has many reasons to vote someone, but doesn't follow through on this (direct example would be towards Firebringer).

Quoting the post would be appreciated.

[Okabe]

Also doesn't yuki do that every game? Yuki usually has implied meanings in post and doesn't straight out list isos and stuff.

[Yukitaka Oni]

I think I've focused most people, except for Gyrlander to a degree.

In this specific example, Yuki has said this game a couple times that he has many reasons to vote someone, but doesn't follow through on this (direct example would be towards Firebringer).

I keep my vote away because our godfather want to handle other problem at the moment and we have kidnapper so


In godfather i trusted him with my life, if you doubt it....that's fine. Don't worry




He just gonna make you an offer that you can't refuse it

[Cancer]

If you two would honestly get a fucking archon chat for you two to talk, that would alleviate like 80% of the problems I have with you two right now.

~Widowmaker

TBH we do. And just used it to communicate when the other wasn't on the forum.
We are not going to work together to create each post, we will post both our opinions. And I think we are just both too lazy to sign them. I know I will forget.
But you are being really picky about it. It isn't as bad as you make it out to be.
But if it helps, I will over use smiles in my posts =) so you know which area mine ^^

[Yukitaka Oni]

Also doesn't yuki do that every game? Yuki usually has implied meanings in post and doesn't straight out list isos and stuff.

Straight plan is never my style, I'm not dumb enough to yell my plan in front of day chat and believe that scum won't listen

[Elephant]

I already see a couple of reason to jail Firebringer so I disagree with you

First example.

[Yukitaka Oni]

TBH we do. And just used it to communicate when the other wasn't on the forum.
We are not going to work together to create each post, we will post both our opinions. And I think we are just both too lazy to sign them. I know I will forget.
But you are being really picky about it. It isn't as bad as you make it out to be.
But if it helps, I will over use smiles in my posts =) so you know which area mine ^^

Make a private chat for archons account to chat each other instead.....?

[Okabe]

Yukistyle X_X

Regardless, why should I be focusing on yuki instead of firebringer?
Its not exactly productive to multiple people simultaneously unless you are pre-flip associating.

[Cancer]

Yuki. @Yukitaka Oni
Please tell me you're thoughts on Empathy =)

And then look at Whad, quote some of his posts and tell me what too think of them

^^ can Yuki try some deeper forum mafia skillz for SuperJack yah? =)

[Yukitaka Oni]

First example.

Jump in straight day 2 with first post: vote RLVG!!!! Then say something awkward.....unvote....backdown....
Suddenly!!!! Vote for Yuki!!!!! Then after long long long hour....change vote!!!!
Theb spam lynch cancer lynch cancer!!!!




And then deathworld be like: he seem like a nice town, right? A good guy right?






What........the.......fuck????

[Elephant]

Okabe, you are giving me a headache because it seems like you expect people to do work for you.

I never said focus Yuki over Firebringer though, I said you should be pointing out something they do instead of saying it's only scummy for one person.

Yuki has done nothing to be read, except for a few posts and motives I have already highlighted. It's too easy for Yuki to get away with stuff.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Yuki. @Yukitaka Oni
Please tell me you're thoughts on Empathy =)

And then look at Whad, quote some of his posts and tell me what too think of them

^^ can Yuki try some deeper forum mafia skillz for SuperJack yah? =)

Give me a couple of minute!

[Okabe]

Okabe, you are giving me a headache because it seems like you expect people to do work for you.

I never said focus Yuki over Firebringer though, I said you should be pointing out something they do instead of saying it's only scummy for one person.

Yuki has done nothing to be read, except for a few posts and motives I have already highlighted. It's too easy for Yuki to get away with stuff.

You deflected the conversation though, fire was and still is online, but as soon as I attack him, you deflected it by saying shouldn't you also attack yuki for that potentially giving FB time to think of a response or shifting conversation away enough that its just forgotten/missed by ppl reading? If you think yuki is doing that you attack and pressure him on it and don't start deflecting other peoples conversations away.

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Yuki does implied meanings in his post, thats how you have to read him is literally what I am saying? He hasn't made any implied meanings that seem scummy to me.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Yuki. @Yukitaka Oni
Please tell me you're thoughts on Empathy =)

And then look at Whad, quote some of his posts and tell me what too think of them

^^ can Yuki try some deeper forum mafia skillz for SuperJack yah? =)

Ika usually a most of the time yes? That would making empathy is only silverwolf most of the time....eh....i think this is the first time i play with sliver, kinna look like the same with Stereo
I'll put Empathy half-town-half neutral <(o.o(^

[Cancer]

Ika usually a most of the time yes? That would making empathy is only silverwolf most of the time....eh....i think this is the first time i play with sliver, kinna look like the same with Stereo
I'll put Empathy half-town-half neutral <(o.o(^

Ah OK. So you are town leaning on her. =) understandable that is. Do you think any part of Empathy has been looking for scum? ^^

[Yukitaka Oni]

How long I haven't play with Whad??? It's been like eh.....3-4 month right???.....
Sorry, no clue. I dunno Whad's playstyle but yes i do agree that Whad usually avoid heat problems

[Okabe]

@MattZed How exactly does the janitor cycle work? Is it if not previous night, then next day(we started at n0)| Is it you can't janitor back to back aka night then day or day then night? or is it if you did it the Day x you can't do it Night x?

[Cancer]

How long I haven't play with Whad??? It's been like eh.....3-4 month right???.....
Sorry, no clue. I dunno Whad's playstyle but yes i do agree that Whad usually avoid heat problems

Can you go back, and find a post that you like.
And a post that you don't like?
And then quote it yes? ^^ Super will help show you how to be better at mafia yah. =)

[Whad]

Hello. I've caught up. I guess since there's no leading lynch train we're going for the jailing strategy. If I could vote for the second jail target it would be Yuki or Gyrlander. If Frozen Angel is actually FBI agent though, then I'm not sure about my scum read on Gyrlander since a lot of it revolved on Gyrlander being green.

Based on recent developments, I will need to re-evaluate Firebringer, too. He's officially in the null pile instead of the town pile. It would make sense then, for a scum Firebringer to not understand why I backed off and called it a towntell when he didn't realize scum don't get scum daychat.

[Whad]

How long I haven't play with Whad??? It's been like eh.....3-4 month right???.....
Sorry, no clue. I dunno Whad's playstyle but yes i do agree that Whad usually avoid heat problems

What heat problems do you think I am avoiding?

[Yukitaka Oni]

What heat problems do you think I am avoiding?

Nothing big deal, when most people like frozen angel vs cancer making a heat fight, you have no comment about them. That's fine though, I don't like much of that fight v)o.o)v....

[Whad]

Nothing big deal, when most people like frozen angel vs cancer making a heat fight, you have no comment about them. That's fine though, I don't like much of that fight v)o.o)v....

>)o.o)><3 <(o.o(<
whad Yuki

[Okabe]

Also can janitor change his day-targe throughout the day? or is there a minimum time it has to be in by (and can't be changed) like an hour b4 day end?

[Okabe]

What heat problems do you think I am avoiding?

Like why I am specifically a mole in your reads....

[Whad]

Like why I am specifically a mole in your reads....

TBH I was trying to get aggressive and see how you would respond to me calling you scum. Your response was to respond with a question. I was respecting you to respond with some kind of denial of being scum and the tone of the denial could give me some information to help read you. However you just responded with a bunch of questions so my little experiment there failed since I didn't really consider that a possible outcome.

[Whad]

Like why I am specifically a mole in your reads....

Although I guess if FA/Firebringer is the green pair then you could still be orange with Yuki. Which would explain why you didn't ever state you're not scum and instead asked why greenscum (which is the wrong flavor of scum for you).

[Whad]

I would be very happy with the jailors jailing people on this list:

Frozen Angel, Firebringer, Yukitaka Oni, Okabe.

I also have my suspicions about Gyrlander, but enough of my townreads seem to be townreading him for now.
Deathworlds is another I'm unsure about but seems less obviously scummy than the previous 4 listed.

[MattZed]

@MattZed How exactly does the janitor cycle work? Is it if not previous night, then next day(we started at n0)| Is it you can't janitor back to back aka night then day or day then night? or is it if you did it the Day x you can't do it Night x?

A janitor may perform their action as a night action or a day action, and performing it as a night or day action does not prevent them from performing it in the future in any way.

Also can janitor change his day-targe throughout the day? or is there a minimum time it has to be in by (and can't be changed) like an hour b4 day end?

A janitor must indicate their choice to sanitize before I post the flip. Any time before then is acceptable.

[Empathy17]

jailor should jail okabi and exectue, silver has the workign theory that they are currently the janitor ebcasue of the line of questioning.

[Okabe]

jailor should jail okabi and exectue, silver has the workign theory that they are currently the janitor ebcasue of the line of questioning.

Your theory discounts the entire, and more likely scenario where an actual janitor would pm the host to obtain this information.

Our questioning was to determine the suitability of lynch vs jail for todays outcome. We had considered that if a cleaning had been performed last night, perhaps it wasnt possible to have happen today day. Likewise if happening today, it wouldnt be possible to happen tonight.

[Okabe]

Although I guess if FA/Firebringer is the green pair then you could still be orange with Yuki. Which would explain why you didn't ever state you're not scum and instead asked why greenscum (which is the wrong flavor of scum for you).

We asked why greenscum because you stated greenscum. How do you determine our partnership with yukitaka, what has led you to this conclusion.

If you are also skeptical of gyr, how does he slot into the scum mix, since you have 4 accounted for in your current working theory

[Empathy17]

Your theory discounts the entire, and more likely scenario where an actual janitor would pm the host to obtain this information.

Our questioning was to determine the suitability of lynch vs jail for todays outcome. We had considered that if a cleaning had been performed last night, perhaps it wasnt possible to have happen today day. Likewise if happening today, it wouldnt be possible to happen tonight.

You discount i have already considered that idea and presume that scums are not smart based on the NK already.

You should of accounted for the fact that mayeb they didnt ask and were nto aware and now you gaev them the idea to do so if your not the janitor already.

[Okabe]

Subnote - is tbe site periodically going down temporarily for others? We have both expereinced excessively long load times, or periods of no availability

[Okabe]

You discount i have already considered that idea and presume that scums are not smart based on the NK already.

You should of accounted for the fact that mayeb they didnt ask and were nto aware and now you gaev them the idea to do so if your not the janitor already.

RLVG (I believe, unless it was someone else) already covered this topic. Anyone given the option to choose their role would have thoroughly read and understood their role, and if needed, already made clarifications. Nobody is gaining any 'ideas' from such a basic line of questioning, if anything it only serves to help the rest of us make a more informed decision on lynch vs jail.

[Okabe]

You discount i have already considered that idea and presume that scums are not smart based on the NK already.

You should of accounted for the fact that mayeb they didnt ask and were nto aware and now you gaev them the idea to do so if your not the janitor already.

Also, it is a risky game to assume the intelligence of scum based on the actions of 1 night, especially the first night. You may inadvertantly bias your reads based on meta assumptions.

[Empathy17]

RLVG (I believe, unless it was someone else) already covered this topic. Anyone given the option to choose their role would have thoroughly read and understood their role, and if needed, already made clarifications. Nobody is gaining any 'ideas' from such a basic line of questioning, if anything it only serves to help the rest of us make a more informed decision on lynch vs jail.

not really, i hosted a game once where i gave a choice for people to pick roles, people still asked questiosn about it after getting the said role

Also, it is a risky game to assume the intelligence of scum based on the actions of 1 night, especially the first night. You may inadvertantly bias your reads based on meta assumptions.

good thing im not using it to make my reads now am i?

why did you replace out then come back as a *****?

[Whad]

We asked why greenscum because you stated greenscum. How do you determine our partnership with yukitaka, what has led you to this conclusion.

If you are also skeptical of gyr, how does he slot into the scum mix, since you have 4 accounted for in your current working theory

I think you're scum and I like the idea that FA and Firebringer are linked. If FA is FBI agent and you are scum then you have to be orange.

I'm totally open to my slottings of scum being wrong. Need some more flips to get more information to shuffle people around. As for now Gyrlander doesn't make my top 4 scummy player list.

[Whad]

@Okabe Are you scum?

[Okabe]

Both my partner and I may be unavailable during EoD today. At the moment, we both maintain our scum fire and scum whad reads, and are skeptical of DW.

We are split on what the optimal outcome of today should be (lynch vs jail). As there is no guarantee that there are in fact 2 kidnappers (it could be a role coaxing by rlvg - from town perspective), we also have no guarantee that both kidnappera are town.

I personally believe that risking for double jail is more beneficial than a near confirmed cleaning on lynch, but it seems that there may not even be enough players online or around to discuss or drive a lynch if its deemed a better alternative

[Empathy17]

RLVG (I believe, unless it was someone else) already covered this topic. Anyone given the option to choose their role would have thoroughly read and understood their role, and if needed, already made clarifications. Nobody is gaining any 'ideas' from such a basic line of questioning, if anything it only serves to help the rest of us make a more informed decision on lynch vs jail.

Both my partner and I may be unavailable during EoD today. At the moment, we both maintain our scum fire and scum whad reads, and are skeptical of DW.

We are split on what the optimal outcome of today should be (lynch vs jail). As there is no guarantee that there are in fact 2 kidnappers (it could be a role coaxing by rlvg - from town perspective), we also have no guarantee that both kidnappera are town.

I personally believe that risking for double jail is more beneficial than a near confirmed cleaning on lynch, but it seems that there may not even be enough players online or around to discuss or drive a lynch if its deemed a better alternative

clearly not reading about how if either jailor tries to deviate they will be insta lynched...

[Empathy17]

sigh tupid fucking multi

[Whad]

jailor should jail okabi and exectue, silver has the workign theory that they are currently the janitor ebcasue of the line of questioning.

That's like, too obvious for the janitor to ask about their role in the thread. Although I have been townreading people for asking things in the thread such as Firebringer asking about scum daychats and Cancer asking about Mattzed nerfing the kidnapper role. I think in this case, Okabe's question about the janitor role is not an indicator.

[Okabe]

not really, i hosted a game once where i gave a choice for people to pick roles, people still asked questiosn about it after getting the said role



good thing im not using it to make my reads now am i?

why did you replace out then come back as a *****?

I wasnt implying you were, it was more of a subconscious thing to take note of, since you already believe scum to be dumb.

I (Iced) was replaced in to take paladins slot because he hadnt arrived for the game. Shortly after taking the slot he returned and we arranged to ***** as I felt bad for taking his slot given he hadnt missed all that much of the game yet.

[Whad]

Both my partner and I may be unavailable during EoD today. At the moment, we both maintain our scum fire and scum whad reads, and are skeptical of DW.

We are split on what the optimal outcome of today should be (lynch vs jail). As there is no guarantee that there are in fact 2 kidnappers (it could be a role coaxing by rlvg - from town perspective), we also have no guarantee that both kidnappera are town.

I personally believe that risking for double jail is more beneficial than a near confirmed cleaning on lynch, but it seems that there may not even be enough players online or around to discuss or drive a lynch if its deemed a better alternative

There are more than just 3 scum. Firebringer, myself, DW, and who else is the 4th on your top scumlist?