Nero: 1-S2-1-414181, Villageliu: 1-S2-1-636838, DrkVigilante: 1-S2-1-546362

[Meh]

Account Name: nero
Account ID: 1-414181
In-Game Name: ozzy osbourne

Account Name: Villageliu
Account ID: don't know
In-Game Name: don't know

Account Name: DrkVigilante
Account ID: don't know
In-Game Name: don't know


Crimes Committed: gamethrowing and skyping

Your Account Name: Meh
Summary: Gamethrowing so blatantly at the end to let his friend get a solo witch win. In the lobby he had two other friends with the same clan tag indicating they were skyping since the had no other means of communication-Mafia- (185).SC2ReplayCapture.PNG.

[Mesk514]

SC ID VERIFICATION
Nero - Correct: 1-S2-1-414181
Villageliu - 1-S2-1-636838
DrkVigilante - 1-S2-1-546362

Respective Hotkeys
Nero: CTRL + 5
Villageliu: CTRL + 2
DarkVigilante: CTRL + 3

Was the Game Result altered?
Yes, the game ended with a solo Witch win.

Summary
Nero #11 roles Kidnapper
Villageliu #14 roles Bodyguard
DarkVigilante #7 roles Amnesiac

Night 1:
#11: kidnaps and excutes #15 who claims Lookout (execution did not go through)
#14: goes to protect #7
#7: nothing

Day 2:
#14: okay i have a lead
#14: 15 was attacked but didn't need my protection?
#7: red is kn
#7: really?
#14: so 15 is night immune i guess

Night 2:
#11: nothing
#14: goes to protect #7
#7: nothing

Day 3:
#14 PM's #15: were you attacked or anything?
#15 PM's #14: nope
#4: actually i don't trust 4
*votes #4*

Night 3:
#11: kidnaps #8
#14: goes to protect #7
#7: remembers he was a witch

Day 4:

#6 was lynched, he was The Arsonist

Night 4:
#11: nothing
#14: goes to protect #7
#7: controls #4 the godfather to kill #8

Day 5:
#14: so arson was right about 4

#15 was lynched, he was A Lookout

Night 5:
#11: nothing
#14: goes to protect #7
#7: controls #12 the now mafioso to kill #8

Day 6:
#14: i think 1 may be witch
#10: not poss
#14: how come?
#10: theres only 1 witch and he's dead
#7: there was amn
#14: no amnesiac took witch role

10 is lynched, he was An Investigator

Night 6:
#11: nothing
#14: goes to protect #7
#7: controls #12 to kill #1

Day 7:
#12: okay who's what, let it out
#11: IM SHERIFF BROWNS LAST MAFIA
#14: 10 did say 12 was guilty of murder
#14 PM's #7: you're witch can you make 11 kill himself
#7 PM's #12: sure

#12 was lynched, he was a mafioso

Night 7:
#14: goes to kill #7
#14 goes to protect #7
$7: nothing



Previous Offenses
Nero:
- Leave Train
- Skyping
- Skyping
- Leave Train
- Game Throwing & Skyping
Villageliu:
- Leave Train
- Skyping
- Intentional Game Throwing
- Leave Train
- Skyping
DrkVigilante:
- Role Quitting
- Skyping // Additional information


Player Offenses
Nero: Skyping & Game Throwing
Villagliu: Skyping
DrkVigilante: Skyping

Recommended Action
Nero: BL x5 (upped from x2)
Villagliu: BL x4 (upped from x2)
DarkVigilante: WL x4 (upped from x2)

Additional Notes
Thank you for your report! I believe I was being very kind in my review here, however, given the severity of the cheating and the game throwing this must end. I think another break would be beneficial. If these players are come back and continue this behaviour, they will be most probably be PermaBanned depending on the circumstances.

[Arrow]

Nero - Correct: 1-S2-1-414181: Banlist x5-1 (Crediting one week time served)
Villageliu - 1-S2-1-636838: Banlist x4
DrkVigilante - 1-S2-1-546362: WL x4

[KingNero]

I don't even know where to start with any of this anymore, but suffice for now would be for you to respond to my pm arrow instead of ignoring it, or if you don't prefer to do your job get an admin who does to respond.

[Arrow]

Please refer here.

[KingNero]

I have had it up to here with you fucking people. I have so many problems with how you run things it isn't even funny, and I would love just one person with a vocabulary higher than a fifth grader to explain to me how you fucking morons keep making your terrible decisions:

1. I was banned from the game an extra week because you nut-ticklers don't remove bans after their expirations, we actually have to contact you morons to do your fucking jobs. Imagine if a prison held an inmate for an extra week because the guards didn't check his cell, you are just supposed to say, "whoops, sorry" and go from there? I was supposed to be unbanned on October 18th and was prevented from playing the game for an extra six days because you borderline retards don't check your own ban list, and then you ignore PM's I sent to two of your retarded admins, with no answers. If anything, I should have more time credited than one week because you idiots don't remember to life bans.

2. How the fuck is there a ban from a supposed offense/offenses that happened more than 5 weeks ago? Ignoring the fact that there is ZERO EVIDENCE that anything immoral took place (I have never skyped in a game of Mafia in my life) it takes you nut jockeys 5 weeks to refview a case and issue a judgment? The fucking Puerto Rican DMV works on a faster fucking time frame than that. I don't even remember the games/accusations against me, and yet you dipshits still offer a consequence long after anyone can remember what actually fucking happened. You either A) Need more admins, B) Need admins that are jacking off to do their fucking jobs, or C) have a fucking statue of limitations on when someone can be accused. If you don't want to do your fucking jobs fine (I know those imaginary girlfriends take up most of your time), but how the fuck can you issue a judgmenet 6 weeks after something happened?

3. Since I can't keep track of the retarded ban times you diots continue to hand out, how about one of you retards quantifies all of my accumulated time that has been dished out, since you fucking tools are so slow at sharing when someone is actually banned? I mean, I know numbers are difficult for some of you fucks (except when it comes to counting how many MLP dolls you own), but if you all get together you should have enough fingers and toes to add everything up. I would appreciate it.

[DarknessB]

@KingNero , consider this your first and final warning against posting personal attacks here. I understand that you are frustrated, but if you make another post full of attacks against staff, you will be infracted. In response to your specific points:

1. There was a glitch in the ban manager which resulted in your ban not having been removed. You were credited for the week which you were unable to play. No one forced you to break the game rules in other ways prior to that ban being placed on you. Also, you seem to be confusing Mafia with a public service. We don't get paid for being Mafia Staff and it's certainly not our job to serve you unless you'd like to change that. You're playing a privately run and administered game where everyone is putting in their time voluntarily -- if you don't like it, there are plenty of other games that you can play in the Starcraft Arcade or elsewhere. Lastly, many games provide no means of appealing or speaking to anyone about being banned -- any discussion that we're having here is being done as outreach to the community, not because we owe you anything. especially given the havoc you've been causing in games.

2. We are currently working through a backlog in reports that caused there to be a delay in when the report against you was processed. The fact that you were repeatedly breaking the rules 5 weeks ago does not make what you did any less serious, especially to those players who were bothered enough to report it. You're also making it sound like we're punishing you for something that happened a year ago -- 5 weeks is not that long. If players bother to file reports, we will take the time to review them. The purpose of in-game moderation to ensure that players do not wreck the experience of those who want to play the game legitimately. Once again, it's no one's job to do anything here and this is not the judicial system, but a privately run game and forum. If you don't like the system, no one is forcing you to play.

3. We have a Ban Manager where you can check the status of your current punishments. According to the listing, your ban is scheduled to be lifted in about 23 1/2 days.

[Helz]

I am not going to respond to most of this but your issue seems to mostly be with 'time'

Just so you know the ban manager is an automated program that tracks time. We upload a user list it generates into the map which tags your ban. With that said punishments are always some length longer than the stated time. It could be a few hours or it could be a few months. It just depends on how long it takes for the map to get updated.

Expect your punishments to always last longer than stated. The best way to avoid dealing with that is to just play clean games.

[Lysergic]

If being banned is such a horrible inconvenience to you, I imagine the easiest solution would be to not break the rules.

[Villageliu]

I haven't been playing in over six weeks so I didn't even remember this game until I logged in and saw a ban for "skyping." I am fairly certain I did not let the "witch win," but had instead concluded the town was full of shit heads. #7 had a name I thought was funny and I guessed he might have been one of the people in my clan. So yes, in that way I cheated. I decided to guard the person whose name made me laugh instead of a bunch of deplorables. For the record, you don't need to be in Skype just to guess who you are playing with. I like names like Marshall Lynchouse, Ch00pacabra, Ch00bacca and Hillary's Baggy Tits. I have a style and theme to my names and my clannies can often pick up on it.

So congratulations on ridding the game of casual small timers like us. We are the biggest scourge this game has. When I first started this game three-four years ago, I enjoyed it because I thought it was supposed to be about deception, lies and misdirection. I have played with many styles and frequently favored tactics that relied on betraying people who aren't that helpful. Throwing people I don't like under the bus to survive seems legitimate to me. It is also hilarious. Oh sure I vote up the mayor as town once in a while. Good fun if the mayor is chimping out on stupid stuff and about to lynch a more useful townie. At least that shuts the newbie up. These days however, doing stuff like that leads to having to listen to derp-de-derps tell me how I am game throwing because they lack the creativity to understand how other people play. I could live with that, but now the moderators are breeding some kind of demented safe-space for the most obnoxious of the complainers.

It doesn't take a five page forensic analysis to see that you guys are going to perma-ban us either way since showing up with a clan name is always going to piss off people even when we play by the rules. It would have mattered to me a few months ago, but to be honest the game is getting kind of stale and shit like this makes it less worth it. I went a few years without a ban and now in the space of six months I have been repeat ban listed four times. Instead of spending so much time on people like us maybe you should tell the developer to make some new roles. That would be way more helpful to this game than doubling down on people like us. Think how awesome it would be to have a Hillary Clinton role that when lynched could redirect the lynch to another person. Maybe a cultist who can assume the name of a person who kills him?

I am being nice. I expect you to come back and tell me why you think I am wrong and justify why we need to "take a break." Before you start, I want you to know this: I used to run one of the largest North American World of Warcraft Guilds with over 500 active players. I ran a hardcore PvP server for Terraria and on a routine weekend had literally thousands of distinct people log in and out. I understand logistics and I understand what good administration is. People still hit me up on chats to tell me how they miss the good old days on my server or in my guild. The best thing I learned is that a good leader doesn't cater to the people who complain the most but instead is one that reaches a fair balance between rules and chaos. I think it is safe to say that people like me and Eric are representative of much more of your fan base than the people who get on here to complain. Remember that before deciding to punish your fans.

[Helz]

I expect you to come back and tell me why you think I am wrong and justify why we need to "take a break."

Sure thing.
-The objective of proper moderation is to encourage an enjoyable environment for players. It runs in line with the utilitarianist view of encouraging the greatest amount of fun for the largest number of players.
-The rules we enforce were created by the community expressing specific behaviors ruined their experience. The only reports we get are submitted by players.
-In general if someone reports you its because you ruined their experience. Your play pissed them off enough for them to take the time to submit a report.
-Punishments serve a few purposes. They provide incentive to players that lack courtesy to play in a way that does not hurt the community; and bans protect the community from having to tolerate that behavior.

With those things in mind its easy to identify that your behavior hurt other players experiences. I think you are wrong because your actions are inconsiderate of the other players. Because the objective of moderation is to preserve players experience you should take a break. Hopefully you will see this and consider the impact your actions have on other players.

[DarknessB]

A couple of points. There are a bunch of clans that play Mafia -- no one is suggesting that being in a clan is going to get you in trouble in and of itself. It's more an indication that two players know each other and might be collaborating to the extent something fishy takes place between those two players. We also use players who enter a game in a party to be potential indicator as well. No one is saying you can't have fun playing Mafia, but there's a big difference between that and lynching a confirmed member of your team (a Mayor) because the Mayor isn't performing to your standards. It'd be the equivalent of you team-killing someone simply because you don't like them or how they are playing -- that's going against your win condition and harms the community as a whole.

As Helz said, the point of moderation is to ensure that the playerbase on the whole is having an okay time in games and that game aren't being ruined by people who want to have personal fun at the expense of the goal of the game (winning for your team). If someone bothered to report you, then you impaired their game-playing experience and that's when we take a look at what happened to see if it was problematic or not. There are many reports where we take no action because even if someone was upset, it didn't rise to the level of breaking the game rules.

No one hopes you two are permabanned -- we would suggest, though, that you take a look at the players reporting you and understand from their perspective how you ruined the game for them. Mafia is plenty chaotic as it is -- we just don't want chaotic to mean that you can fuck around and take overt actions against your win condition (like lynching a Mayor) without a really good reason, because players don't find it fun to have confirmed roles lynched by people messing around. That's all.