S-FM 298: Third Line Butterfly

[Renegade]

I am also in favor of NOT skipping. Skipping is a scum tool. Like someone else said before, voting/discussion patterns on day 1 independent of if the lynch was successfully scum or not is extremely important. Why does Yigama want to skip? Additionally, no one has been identified as the target of heartbreaker, so I don't think there is a risk of lynching heartbreaker and losing town either.

GOOFY

[BananaCucho]

I shall be a dissident, proudly waving my flag of defiance in the face of overwhelming opposition
/rant over
in all seriousness
this day has sucked massively
so
After Kira I will seriously start looking at Renegade and Varcron

Its been a decent day 1 as far as day 1s go. Only so much you can even do day 1

Ojo with this one. Apathy already? The games just begun. Hmmm.

[Ganelon]

We're in a slightly different position than most games in either the mod or most other games on the site. We had a n0, in which all actions with the exception of a kill could be made.

The actions undertaken would be for strictly meta-reasons, or perhaps some premeditated gambit by the mafia. We must take this into consideration in regards to who the mafia targeted, what could the mafia know, specifically, who's role do you think the mafia knows?

Also @Banana + @MM, I'm not looking for easy "townie points", it is a goal for everyone to at least appear helpful to the majorities goal of lynching scum, yes? Whether or not I am actually being helpful or that what I'm providing is useful is up to your own discretion

Of course I'm obligated to say that straining yourselves to trying to scumread me or find some sort of "slip" is a waste of precious time and energy that should be spent analyzing someone else. I know I'm town, my alignment should be obvious if you do decide to read me; I've been nothing but be honest, in a game where scum are forced to lie to win.




You'll want to use the code [vote][INSERT PLAYER NAME HERE][\vote] with an "/" instead of an "\"

why are you trying so hard to discuss who the mafia might’ve targeted?
isnt that very wifomy?

[Ganelon]

disagree, nothing relevant has happened today, save for the fact that we found out the Heartbreaker hasn’t targeted anyone, and (potentially) that Ceko is town. By most d1 standards, this has been pretty lackluster.

[BananaCucho]

No. We're not skipping, the lynch is a tool to be used by us, it's literally our only way to kill mafia.

My vote is staying on you for now, it was just RVS, but comsider my vote to be real now.



What? Both of these posts aren't posts I particularly like.



I'm worried that it might have some people that are desperate to seem town, a bit too desperate.



Agreed, for reasons mentioned above

I feel like a total noob now cause I cant remember qhat RVS means

And yeah, I'm feeling super paranoid already about everyone who's like "lets buddy up banana", there are players like MM who have seen me get pocketed twice now by ducky and punchy and may be looking to try to do the same

[Ganelon]

Kind of makes sense, I personally rather not flood the chat with hundreds of pages of watery content.

why not? afraid you’ll slip?? :P

[BananaCucho]

disagree, nothing relevant has happened today, save for the fact that we found out the Heartbreaker hasn’t targeted anyone, and (potentially) that Ceko is town. By most d1 standards, this has been pretty lackluster.

Majority of day 1s are 90% shitposts which is why I think its been decent as actual reads have been forming here

[DS.]

Why the setup isnt linked in op is beyond me

[deathworlds]

why are you trying so hard to discuss who the mafia might’ve targeted?
isnt that very wifomy?

I'm trying to discuss it because it's advantageous to try to think about things from scum perspective, another way to catch a scum is to think like a scum. I.e. who would they believe is a threat on n0, where no one else had a chance to speak yet?

[Ganelon]

YOUR ALL SCUMBAGS!

You got any useful input?
right now you’re just a weirder, easier to understand Efe.
would not be opposed to lynching you at all rn.

[BananaCucho]

Why the setup isnt linked in op is beyond me

Whats the DS stand for? Dual Screen? Double Standard?

[DS.]

I feel like a total noob now cause I cant remember qhat RVS means

And yeah, I'm feeling super paranoid already about everyone who's like "lets buddy up banana", there are players like MM who have seen me get pocketed twice now by ducky and punchy and may be looking to try to do the same

Random Voting Stage

Noob

[BananaCucho]

You got any useful input?
right now you’re just a weirder, easier to understand Efe.
would not be opposed to lynching you at all rn.

Yet you moved your vote off of him early. Hmmmm

[BananaCucho]

Random Voting Stage

Noob

[Renegade]

Whats the DS stand for? Dual Screen? Double Standard?

Dual Shock?

[DS.]

Whats the DS stand for? Dual Screen? Double Standard?

itsa me! DS.

[deathworlds]

You got any useful input?
right now you’re just a weirder, easier to understand Efe.
would not be opposed to lynching you at all rn.

He's unproductive at worst right now, let's focus on actual scummy behavior

[Ganelon]

Majority of day 1s are 90% shitposts which is why I think its been decent as actual reads have been forming here

perhaps, but in many of the games I’ve played, there’s usually a total shitstorm at EoD at lynch time. right now nothing that’s happened would indicate such a thing. because the right people haven’t been pushed yet

[BananaCucho]

itsa me! DS.

Diss? So its not an abbreviation?

[BananaCucho]

perhaps, but in many of the games I’ve played, there’s usually a total shitstorm at EoD at lynch time. right now nothing that’s happened would indicate such a thing. because the right people haven’t been pushed yet

Would you not consider Irreverant "the right people"? We were pushing him but you jumped off

[Ganelon]

I don’t really trust deathworlds, his play could be a scum gambit to put the TPRs, especially seeing as nobody has been heartbroken.

[DS.]

Diss? So its not an abbreviation?

Dee Ess

Put some respek on my name

In other news: I found out how to turn off the new post warning which is good because it was really hindering my ability to spam the thread properly

[Ganelon]

Would you not consider Irreverant "the right people"? We were pushing him but you jumped off

I don’t see anyone making a fuss about him being voted.

[Ganelon]

Dee Ess

Put some respek on my name

In other news: I found out how to turn off the new post warning which is good because it was really hindering my ability to spam the thread properly

I did not even know this was possible haha

[Ganelon]

but yeah, I’m also cool with Revenant. Just that, I feel kira is scummier than revenant.

[BananaCucho]

He's unproductive at worst right now, let's focus on actual scummy behavior

Other than the skip vote do you read any scummy behavior from Kira yet? He hasn't said much

[deathworlds]

If there was someone who was targeted by the heartbreaker, that would probably mean the mafia team would've been full of inexperienced players, yes? Once you think about it, using the heartbreaker isn't very advantageous, unless there was a player you knew you couldn't beat.

[deathworlds]

I don’t really trust deathworlds, his play could be a scum gambit to put the TPRs, especially seeing as nobody has been heartbroken.

Other than the skip vote do you read any scummy behavior from Kira yet? He hasn't said much

I'll address these in a bit once I've had some breakfast and I'm at my computer

[Ganelon]

If there was someone who was targeted by the heartbreaker, that would probably mean the mafia team would've been full of inexperienced players, yes? Once you think about it, using the heartbreaker isn't very advantageous, unless there was a player you knew you couldn't beat.

Fair enough.

[BananaCucho]

If there was someone who was targeted by the heartbreaker, that would probably mean the mafia team would've been full of inexperienced players, yes? Once you think about it, using the heartbreaker isn't very advantageous, unless there was a player you knew you couldn't beat.

I like this thought process. I don't know why others are berrating you for thinking aloud about the mechanics like this

I don’t really trust deathworlds, his play could be a scum gambit to put the TPRs, especially seeing as nobody has been heartbroken.

Like this for example, Ganelon can you expand a bit on this? I don't see how anything DW has discussed about Heartbreaker could put TPRs in danger

[DS.]

FWIW, I feel like I've played a game with Light Yagami on MafiaScum once and this is kinda how i remember them being

[DS.]

If there was someone who was targeted by the heartbreaker, that would probably mean the mafia team would've been full of inexperienced players, yes? Once you think about it, using the heartbreaker isn't very advantageous, unless there was a player you knew you couldn't beat.

Heartbreaker in a final three makes a difficult situation if you cant figure out who the heartbreaker is. I think you are discounting the utility of the role a bit.

[Ganelon]

Hypothetically, if DW is a mafia role that receives feedback when they successfully perform their night action, if he was roleblocked, he might want to find out who the escort that roleblocked him is. He could do this by asking ‘who do you think they would target’ -> as that could lead to the nurse accidentally slipping

[Ganelon]

Heartbreaker in a final three makes a difficult situation if you cant figure out who the heartbreaker is. I think you are discounting the utility of the role a bit.

the issue is that the target knows the identity of the Heartbreaker

[DS.]

I hate setup talk, especially on day 1 because it gives mafia discussion to hide behind. Heartbreaker role has utility, only scaredy cats wouldnt use it

[Ganelon]

I would’ve otherwise agreed with you

[BananaCucho]

Heartbreaker in a final three makes a difficult situation if you cant figure out who the heartbreaker is. I think you are discounting the utility of the role a bit.

Heartbreaker is revealed to lover though

[BananaCucho]

Hypothetically, if DW is a mafia role that receives feedback when they successfully perform their night action, if he was roleblocked, he might want to find out who the escort that roleblocked him is. He could do this by asking ‘who do you think they would target’ -> as that could lead to the nurse accidentally slipping

Okay. I hadn't thought of it like that, but that actually does make sense. I don't see DWs questioning actually being the case, but the thought process is towny from your point of view

[theoneceko]

Of course I'm obligated to say that straining yourselves to trying to scumread me or find some sort of "slip" is a waste of precious time and energy that should be spent analyzing someone else. I know I'm town, my alignment should be obvious if you do decide to read me; I've been nothing but be honest, in a game where scum are forced to lie to win.

I've to agree with @Marshmallow Marshall . You're not a confirmed town in my eyes since your discussion on the Heartbreaker is something anyone could've provided. You didn't provide a Nurse or Justice lead, which is more likely to confirm you as town. However, you say "my alignment should be obvious" and "I've been nothing but be honest."

I don't think you "slipped." I just wasn't aware of this setup's mechanics, so that was my mistake. However, you said twice already that people should spend their energy elsewhere. This leads me to believe you're either a citizen trying his best to be helpful since you've no abilities, or a scum trying to deflect attention off yourself while working up to a position where he's trusted by town.

In summary, I advise you don't put your full trust in @deathworlds yet. Don't trust @Marshmallow Marshall either. He could be the REAL scum subtly sowing distrust in an experienced townie.

@BananaCucho , carry me please UWU. BANANA ALLIANCE FOREVER!! OWO.

[BananaCucho]

I gotchu bb cakes

[theoneceko]

I don’t really trust deathworlds, his play could be a scum gambit to put the TPRs, especially seeing as nobody has been heartbroken.

What is TPR??

[Ganelon]

What is TPR??

Non-citizen

[Ganelon]

It stands for town power role

[DS.]

the issue is that the target knows the identity of the Heartbreaker

See I would know this if the setup was linked in the op

*wink wink, nudge nudge*

[BananaCucho]

What is TPR??

Town Power Role

[deathworlds]

I've to agree with @Marshmallow Marshall . You're not a confirmed town in my eyes since your discussion on the Heartbreaker is something anyone could've provided. You didn't provide a Nurse or Justice lead, which is more likely to confirm you as town. However, you say "my alignment should be obvious" and "I've been nothing but be honest."

I don't think you "slipped." I just wasn't aware of this setup's mechanics, so that was my mistake. However, you said twice already that people should spend their energy elsewhere. This leads me to believe you're either a citizen trying his best to be helpful since you've no abilities, or a scum trying to deflect attention off yourself while working up to a position where he's trusted by town.

In summary, I advise you don't put your full trust in @deathworlds yet. Don't trust @Marshmallow Marshall either. He could be the REAL scum subtly sowing distrust in an experienced townie.

@BananaCucho , carry me please UWU. BANANA ALLIANCE FOREVER!! OWO.

Ah ceko reappears, I'm glad. I'll address this in a wee bit too.

[BananaCucho]

See I would know this if the setup was linked in the op

*wink wink, nudge nudge*

Rofl, @Pringles called out!

[Light_Yagami]

-vote Light_Yagami

this reminds me A LOT of your scum game in the mod
Skipping is inherently anti-town.

I Dont Remember Really Playing With You In The Mod However In The Mod The Reasons I Used Skip Vote There Was If I Was Blackmailed And Or If I Was Jailor. Me Skipping In The FM Game Isnt All That Out Of Character For Me. Also, Your Attempts To Cast Doubt On My Slot Will Fall On Deaf Ears. Seeing As How I Have Already Given A Very Valid Reason To Wanna Skip.. However, As Per Usual U Are Likely Just Skimming The Thread And Not Even Reading And Checking Vote Counts.

[Light_Yagami]

What is TPR??

Town Power Role.

[DS.]

Heartbreaker is revealed to lover though

I maintain my "only scaredy cats wouldnt use it" thing because being a known wolf power wolfing would be awesome