★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★

[Renegade]

If oberon was scum he wouldn't be afk imo. He'd feel way to bad for his team and force himself to contribute. That's the beauty of knowing someone so well out of game for 2-3 years and talking tons and tons of Mafia theory with them. Knowing what type of person someone is really helps when reading them.

God I hate these arguments.

[bakermir]

fine ignoring Oberon and FB..


SJ/Varcron/Rene team + evil neutral yagami is where I am at

[PQRnHack]

Well i'm a big fan of doggy and reverse cowgirl. Those feel really good and are loads of fun.

Can confirm!

[Renegade]

fine ignoring Oberon and FB..


SJ/Varcron/Rene team + evil neutral yagami is where I am at

I can see why you would think I'm with Varcron, but where are the dots with us and SJ?

[Helz]

fine ignoring Oberon and FB..

SJ/Varcron/Rene team + evil neutral yagami is where I am at

I am not sure what you mean by Evil neutral. Could you clarify? The two neutrals are a Lover and a Guardian. The Guardian will be town or scum sided based on the alignment of their protection target.

I will have to focus on players more in the morning. I mainly dug at Superjack and Mike last night. For some more Mike bits:

315 'I am town but call me neutral' response to Auwt
323 'Superjack could be town being scummy to not get night killed' with a side of lover focus in how he views Mafia perspective when referring to Auwt
359 States he is 110% sure Renegade will flip Mafia. This could be the classic slip of failing to gauge the appropriate level of confidence to assign to his voiced reads
362 Note he very specifically does not say he is town. He says he is not scum and helping the town. This feels voiced from a neutral perspective. Also may not need to stay alive for wincon so angel?
400 Flat out asks "are you town trying to be a little scummy so you are not night killed"
431, 436, 437 Asking Pqrn if he is a TPR

Also had him down as if Blink flips Mafia mike could be his teammate while if Auwt flips Mafia he is very not Mafia although my Auwt read was leaning scum.

I will have to take a closer look at Renegade. Had him as a town lean but both consensus and you seem to scum read him a bit.

[PQRnHack]

So i think the big decision here is: if Varcron was the 25% Mafia, then ask yourself what would Mafia do under the circumstances unfolding during D2? And if he is not Mafia, what would Mafia do? Last-min vote NumberTwo, take no action, etc? Please discuss

[PQRnHack]

And why did Janitor use the 1-time cleanse N2? I am thinking Mafia is in the crosshairs and are using ability before they get lynched. Seems like an obvious lynch is coming up. I am not sure why they didnt go for power role, maybe assumed doc was on it. What Helz said.

[PQRnHack]

@Light_Yagami , what you got Kira?

[PQRnHack]

I can see why you would think I'm with Varcron, but where are the dots with us and SJ?

With "us" eh? That looks like a psych play where you are trying to associate yourself with Varcron in case things unfold in an interesting manner later in the game.

[PQRnHack]

fine ignoring Oberon and FB..


SJ/Varcron/Rene team + evil neutral yagami is where I am at

I can actually see this. But I can see many other branches of this universe, too ;)

[Helz]

Last tidbit before bed..

The way I'm seeing this game atm :

blinkskater and Light_Yagami look quite townies.
bakermir is leaning town.
Renegade, Varcron, PQR null reads.
Mike is leaning neutral [as opinion and as role : ) ]
Frostbyte, Helz, Oberon are leaning scum.
SuperJack looks quite scum.

I forgot Numbertwo.
I would put them between null read and leaning scum.

This was Auwt's read wall and his votes were pretty consistently just hardline on SJ. I did not see any TPR indicators.

So Why was Auwt targeted / cleaned?
-They saw some TPR tell I didn't and thought they could use his PR claim later?
-Janitor was in danger (Maybe Varcon or Oberon) and they wanted to use the charge?
-Random to throw off doc counter?
-A read or some reads were accurate enough to want him dead?
-Some combination of the above

@Frinckles
Would an Ornamentalist action still occur if they were cleaned?
Would a Janitor also clean a players last will?

Anyways.. All that comes to my mind right now.

[blinkskater]

God I hate these arguments.

You can hate it all you want, but to ignore it wouldn't be very pro town

[blinkskater]

Renegade
PNQ
Yagami
Varcron
Frostbyte
Helz
Baker
SuperJack
Oberon
Mike

That seems about right

[blinkskater]

@Helz You can look at PNQ face value like 1st or 2nd forum mafia game and tell me this dude isn't town?

[Light_Yagami]

-vote Blinkskater

[blinkskater]

Also I Will Not Be Voting @blinkskater Regardless Of What Anyone Says..

kappa

[Light_Yagami]

Renegade
PNQ
Yagami
Varcron
Frostbyte
Helz
Baker
SuperJack
Oberon
Mike

That seems about right

First Of All.. Id Like To Ask Why Red For Me.. I Know Asking Why Is A Scum Tell Of Mine.. So, Lynch Me Over My Own Scum Tell Cue.. If Ya Want.. In What Manner Have I Come Off As Scummy?

[Light_Yagami]

kappa

Yep.. I Said That... It Happened I Saw...

[Light_Yagami]

This Is A 100% Guaranteed Safe Lynch Today Folks.. Get It While Its Hot..

[Light_Yagami]

Last tidbit before bed..


This was Auwt's read wall and his votes were pretty consistently just hardline on SJ. I did not see any TPR indicators.

So Why was Auwt targeted / cleaned?
-They saw some TPR tell I didn't and thought they could use his PR claim later?
-Janitor was in danger (Maybe Varcon or Oberon) and they wanted to use the charge?
-Random to throw off doc counter?
-A read or some reads were accurate enough to want him dead?
-Some combination of the above

@Frinckles
Would an Ornamentalist action still occur if they were cleaned?
Would a Janitor also clean a players last will?

Anyways.. All that comes to my mind right now.

They Could Have Been Hiding The Possibility That Number Two Was Actress..

[Light_Yagami]

@Light_Yagami , what you got Kira?

In What Regard?

[Light_Yagami]

God I hate these arguments.

I Call Them Discussions..

[blinkskater]

First Of All.. Id Like To Ask Why Red For Me.. I Know Asking Why Is A Scum Tell Of Mine.. So, Lynch Me Over My Own Scum Tell Cue.. If Ya Want.. In What Manner Have I Come Off As Scummy?

Do you still stand by your soft claim first post?

[blinkskater]

@Frinckles can there be 2 of the same TPR Role?

[Light_Yagami]

Do you still stand by your soft claim first post?

I Stand By My Soft Claim Yes.. Go Find That Soft Claim If You Can... Do I Stand By My "Hard Claim" I Think Is What You Are Asking.. Correct Me If Im Wrong Here..

[Light_Yagami]

@Frinckles can there be 2 of the same TPR Role?

You Just Asked A Dangerous Question Of Host.

[blinkskater]

I Stand By My Soft Claim Yes.. Go Find That Soft Claim If You Can... Do I Stand By My "Hard Claim" I Think Is What You Are Asking.. Correct Me If Im Wrong Here..

Aite i'll cut the BS, claim your role yagami

[Light_Yagami]

Aite i'll cut the BS, claim your role yagami

When The Angel Of Light Comes To Save You... You Know You Are Truly Doomed..

[blinkskater]

When The Angel Of Light Comes To Save You... You Know You Are Truly Doomed..

Well that I can actually buy

[blinkskater]

Now I understand why you wanted doctor on me :P

[Light_Yagami]

Now I understand why you wanted doctor on me :P

Well Now Everyone Knows Thanks A Lot..

[blinkskater]

I'm 100% Holiday Patron

[blinkskater]

Well Now Everyone Knows Thanks A Lot..

People can read It's kind of obvious, scum will come for us now for the DBL kill tbh.

[blinkskater]

I think a mass claim at this point may be in order anyways, forces scum into making a move

[Renegade]

I think a mass claim at this point may be in order anyways, forces scum into making a move

I'm also a patron.

[Light_Yagami]

People can read It's kind of obvious, scum will come for us now for the DBL kill tbh.

Wrong They Will Come For You..

[Varcron]

I'm Holiday Patron if my hint D1 wasn't obvious enough.

[SuperJack]

I'll be in later. Working.

[Helz]

So i think the big decision here is: if Varcron was the 25% Mafia, then ask yourself what would Mafia do under the circumstances unfolding during D2? And if he is not Mafia, what would Mafia do? Last-min vote NumberTwo, take no action, etc? Please discuss

Buss or push counter train.
I am confident the NumberTwo train was pure for the reasons I said earlier

[Oberon]

If oberon was scum he wouldn't be afk imo. He'd feel way to bad for his team and force himself to contribute. That's the beauty of knowing someone so well out of game for 2-3 years and talking tons and tons of Mafia theory with them. Knowing what type of person someone is really helps when reading them.

my AFKness is NAI, I'm extremely busy atm, I would do this as either alignment, but yeah

[Helz]

God I hate these arguments.

You can hate it all you want, but to ignore it wouldn't be very pro town

I will note that I strongly dislike 'too scummy to be scum' arguments but I felt this was more of a meta read

[Oberon]

in my experience and last time I played this setup (when I was Guardian Angel), mafia LOVE to cast shade on neutrals and to try to lynch them. they do this in the mod all the time.

-vote bakermir

this here is a scummer

[Oberon]

Im kinda sad that bakermir was the one to vote shift. I would FoS it if they were not basically slip-town from 268..

Btw.. Everyone should acknowledge that its very unlikely for Light or Bakermir to be scum.

agree on light disagree on bakermir

[Oberon]

I'll be in later. Working.

scum letting town know they will be present later

[Oberon]

This is why we tell you every game to STOP Claiming your PR Day 1.

+1

[Oberon]

no offence to light but I dont see it. He is not that big brained.

you're very wrong there

[Oberon]

Has Frost Even Commented Today?

No. and now that I think about it I think someone said the scum were taking out the most active players or something? that points to them being in the inactives

[Oberon]

ohhh interesting

-vote Varcron

This looks like PQR has info we dont.

I actually agree with this lol

[Oberon]

but then phack doesn't seem so inactive to me

[Oberon]

@Mike why did you vote Varcron after saying that xD